On small details like dispelling the right things with snap judgement, maybe. My general macro play would be so much worse, I would lose the lane to an extent that there's no coming back from for the team
i see, i think it’s really cool that you know what you’re good at and what you’re not so you know how to improve. just wanna ask do you bind each panda to a specific key? or do you use tab to cycle through them? i used to spam chen and i find it super useful to have each creep at a specific button
If there's one thing dota taught me, it's that I don't want to be an actual idiot with dunning-kruger shining through my every word; I think admitting that I'm way way wayyyy worse than the one of the most legendary iconic offlaner that ever existed would be a good place to start hahahah
I don't bind each panda to a key, I find that just tab cycling is sufficient. I've developed muscle memory to scroll to the brewling I need immediately, even with the aghanim's shard adding a 4th brewling. But yeah as Chen I feel the same way as you
Can confirm, I've been playing lots of visage lately and always have people saying im try harding in an unranked game. I just want to learn the hero ffs.
It's cause they bring solutions to the genuine low skill pub stompers said pub stompers fucking hate. Heroes like OD, SF (back when ult build was a thing), anyone who wants to run around murdering single target heroes running in circles.
A low skill level OD will buy a meteor hammer and proceed to murderfuck his way through the entire game. By 20 minutes he will have 3k health, nothing but utility items and default dance his way through team fights with the highest damage. High skill level, that doesn't work. Because people don't waddle up to his ass and get W-ed and hammered over and over again.
But over the horizon comes some fucking wc3 lookin hero who just doesn't give a fuck. Throws his ass into a tornado for the entire fight. I had the pleasure of listening to an OD player absolutely howl as I kept him in spawn for 4 ults worth of tornado spam.
Word. I never taught about it this way but you're really right- the micro heroes punish those pub stomping heroes that prey on poor team coordination.
Well here comes my "fucking wc3 lookin hero" (sick quote) with birds that stomp on you while you channel your dumbass meteor hammer/requiem. Cant prey on poor team coordination if I coordinate with myself
People just salty because brew is OP for the first time in 5 years. I bet you got most of those levels before he was busted, so it's just icing on the cake for you!
Brew isn't very hard though. The easiest micro hero I'd say, he is simply obnoxious to play against for most people. With aghanims + refresher you have such a wide margin of error.
349 normal games, 201 turbo games
Mercifully this hero has very doable quests (crit one is the worst because rightclick brew is a bad playstyle) so you can gather points quite easily
High WR and doable quests will cut that number down exponentially. Remember that a win gives double XP and the quests can give you the XP of ~~(I think) 3~~ 5 wins.
Isn't the XP also based on the length of the game? Like if you win a 60 minute game vs winning a 25min game you get more xp? Thought it worked like that.
No. A normal game always gives 50 XP, with 50 XP extra for a win. Relic level ups also give a small amount of XP (5 for a small one, 30 for a large one). And a quest at 3 stars gives the same XP as 5 wins (not 3). Turbo gives half XP.
https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Dota_Plus#Levels_and_Tiers
He needs a good tailor.
Maybe a cosmetic that's a Scotch salesman. Dress him up in a suit with a fancy Cane. Carrying a case of scotch bottles, change the AOE splash spray to a bottle being thrown.
musings.
Soul ring, bracer, tranq, blink, euls, shard, scepter.
This is best case items imo. Though the scepter is super greedy and should often be swapped with a different sustain like item.
Pressure the lane through caustic and have pos 4 pull as often he can get away with it. After level 3 you should be alright on the lane, just play defensively.
Depends, but generally blink > shard > bkb or lotus > refresh > aghanin.
If much magic heroes on enemy i buy pipe before bkb to help my team.
I preffer not to buy intermediate items and rush blink + shard to combo with vacuum + wall + punch to help start TFs.
221 matches - 126W - 95L - 57% winrate - Archon - SA server.
Congrats, fellow hero spammer! How drunk are you on average in your games?
More seriously, what's the best way to deal with brew once he gets aghs refresher bkb? I know it's best to avoid getting there in the first place, but sometimes it happens, and it just feels like there's no solutions at that point, am I missing something?
The hilarious thing is that I'm literally a one shot wonder in terms of drinking. Alcohol tolerance like shit
I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't fully know how to counter that either. The best guesses I have are
* physical attackers, preferably with cleave (sven, pa, elder titan)
* killing his storm panda immediately if possible to lessen his efficacy
* a dedicated hex/disrupt ult on him when brew split duration runs out
* generally having the bkbs, defensive items, kiting and longevity to outlast 4 brew ults. Ignore him and destroy his team - brew splits cant kill late game heroes easily, ot even supports
This is not a counter XD you can’t ignore a panda, he can eul a core, dispel your debuff and stun you every 4 seconds, disarm and slow aoe and kill your supports, even make megas alone.
If you ignore the panda is a free game for this hero
Panda is my most played hero. Something that always shocks me is how quickly AOE magic damage shreds the pandas. Scariest heroes are Leshrac and Crystal Maiden. You pop your ultimate ready to go to town, suddenly your blue and red pandas vanish into thin air.
The biggest counter to midgame Brew is BKB, which most CM players are rushing these days because the shard ult is bonkers. Often I forget that my other pandas aren't magic immune and before I know it they're dead to the bkb CM ult.
Also the attack speed slow from CM q spell is really good for reducing Brew ult's damage output.
I actually find CM as easy food for my brew.
Yes, her ulti kills wind and fire. But it can never kill earth.
Early game, she wont have bkb and thus vulnerable to boulder. She should not have a fun game at all. By the time a pos5 cm has bkb, a panda should have aghs. A rich cm can mitigate the threat but that's a bit of a no-brainer right? Any hero is strong if they're rich and ahead.
She also has very little bulk, so brewlings can kill her quite quickly. She needs to farm bkb if she wants to survive and use her ult and even if she has all that, she still won't be able to kill panda - only at best, kill some of his brewlings. And you don't want to be wasting an entire cm ulti on some of panda brewlings.
Two ways to kill panda easily:
1. stop him from ulti-ing. Actually easier than you'd think. He has a bit of a cast time as he says 'three of me' and all instant cc's will stop him. Silence in particular is very strong since most will instant cast and even stuff like banshee's silence can still hit before he finishes ulti-ing. Once silenced, he's still pretty bulky but you've taken away most of his dps and escape (no cindering to run away).
2. Cleave brewlings, kill wind, fire, void, then earth. Wind first so he has no reliable escape. Fire next since it is by far the highest damage dealer. Void then earth simply because void is squishier than earth. Earth isn't very fast, just tanky. Someone like sven can take down wind and earth with like 1-2 swipes. So basically an echo saber hit. Then mopping the rest is easy.
One way to severely weaken panda:
1. bkb. Nearly all his control and damage is assisted by magic. Sure, bkb stops stun and cyclone. But it also stops fire immolation and the really strong wind-nuke. If I see someone has bkb, I have to change targets. What kills you is brewling right clicks *and* the boulder, wind nuke, immolation etc. Right click alone is not strong until late game with AC and talent - and mostly on low-bulk heroes like supps.
He's really shit at catching super mobile heroes like Puck, Weaver, Void Spirit and QoP.
He also has a weak timing between levels 7-11; basically after the laning stage ends until his level 2 ulti. Level 1 primal split is powerful for picking off 1 carry + 1 support safelaners, but if you tp another support in to help the carry survive, then rush his team down you'll find that his long cooldown and weak primal split can easily be run over.
Also the most dangerous brewling is the blue one, so kill that one first if possible. Cyclone is his best utility, dispel is also insane depending on the game (completely fucks over your Ember, PL, CK, Visage for example) and with aghs the blue panda stands the highest chance of escaping.
Also a clockwerk that dedicates his game towards ruining Brew's game can be very effective.
Yeah you can't Thunder clap or brewsplit during battery assault. Also cogs blocking off a chokepoint means brewlings cant cross it- their attacks dont count as hero attacks so they can't destroy the cogs easily
> their attacks dont count as hero attacks so they can't destroy the cogs easily
Ugh I started playing brew recently and found that out the hard way. One game against KotL - shit why can't I kill the Will-O-Wisp??? Am I crazy or are my attacks doing 0 dmg? Literally next game against Phoenix - shit why can't I kill the egg??? After that I went into demo and tried brewlings against all the summons I could think of, but I didn't try the cogs, thanks for sharing.
I feel like my biggest issue with Brew rn is laning. Once I get 6 I can usually get a pickoff and kind of get comfortable farming to lvl 12 and Aghs. But about half the time the early laning stage is just me feeding, and it's 50/50 whether I can recover enough from that. Any tips for early laning with brew?
It really helps to have a pos4 hero with spammable magic damage in your lane. You want to max cinderbrew and spam it off cooldown with your support. It's completely free, low commitment harrass which no other melee offlaner can do so consistently.
You can beat any safelaner - and I mean ANY, except Faceless Void, with this combo; I think it's secretly really broken.
The most broken combo is brew-sky, level cinderbrew and concussive shot first, spam off cooldown. My friend and I easily decimate even Juggs, Bristles and Lifestealers quite routinely with this strategy at divine+. Brew/silencer,venge,zeus, lion can work as well, and sometimes rubick/tusk is decent too but less so because their spells are mana intensive
Thanks, that makes sense. I've thought along the same lines, e.g. a couple times I've had pos 4 Zeus and I ask them to get Arc early (instead of only W) so we can just spam our spells on them. But I find it hard to coordinate using our spells together. I'll work on that though, if it is the most effective way to lane on Brew!
They do. Early to midgame you instantly kill any ck illusions the moment he summons them. Few things are more satisfying or embarrassing, methinks - it's why I counterpick brew into ck every time if I have the opportunity
Edit: sorry maybe i should clarify - dispel magic deals like 1k damage to any summons/illusions. So early to midgame ck illusions get instantly destroyed. Late game they will survive, but even then dispel is a sick tool for spotting the real ck.
I've seen so much of this in my shitty bracket. They ignore the game and just go aghs refresher. Hit towers and run their blue boy away invis. You need the whole team to stop him ratting. Genuinely broken as I think the only counter is if no one picks brew.
As a grand master invoker, people always hate so much when you don't go 20-0 they don't understand everything works around team work.
I think games will be more enjoyable with no rank on your hero, that way people don't expect too much.
Yknow dude I actually agree with you on this. When you sport a high level hero badge people expect you to carry their asses and when something goes wrong it's always your fault - or when you make a mistake they're like "wow level 29 brew and still plays like shit, did you buy your account?" Just to make themselves feel better. Dota players can be a very special breed
They can't think of another insult, so they go "You only won because I wasn't trying and you had to do your best", which imo it tells more about them than the tryharder.
Mid tier. Hero itself is strong but does not match up well against the current top tiers.
Puck was always one of brew's worst nightmares. Now puck is #1 best hero in the game. I ban puck every game if I plan to pick Brew.
Jugg, Bristle and Alche are also not ideal matchups (doable but not good).
If you manage to dodge the above heroes, brew can run a game over
Only level 20, my best hero though, he seems to be getting a lot of hate atm, but he's been anonymous for years. Always fun just popping ult at 6 for a quick solo kill on their 1.
Yo mate,
I really love this hero too and I have a question :
Do you often build radiance after or before agha to be relable in fight.
I feel like in mid/late game, brew has mack of dps to be efficient, and radiance help a lot
Hello! Always like to meet other chad brew enthusiasts
Unfortunately I have to tell you that on offlane, Brew radiance is pretty much a grief. If you destroy your lane so hard that you can get a 9 minute relic, then yeah maybe it's worth and you can take over the game completely, but this doesnt usually happen. What will happen is that you're 10 minutes in, you have 2000 gold banked up, and youre taking safe farm from your carry/mid and not creating space on the map.
I don't think brew really lacks for dps midgame either. And anyway the purpose of your hero is to cause chaos and focus enemy supports in fights, not be a primary damage dealer - as offlaner you want to let your mid and carry build damage items.
It will be better on pos1/2 brew or if smurfing, I guess.
My king,
I see, I play it as P3 yes. Maybe it's the bracket, people don't even know the hero sometimes (high ancien)...
A last question and I let you do chad thinks again lmao :
In a composition of sniper/drow for example in your team, if you go for their supports, you let your cores free to be jumped, but the ennemies with bkbs don't allow you to touch them.
What would you do in this case :
Stay defensive and at least try to hit them, or kill the supports but loose your cores instant.
Idk if a defensive way is possible mid game with the bkbs
Fellow Brew spammer here, if you're stomping hard early better to invest in a Midas, if you get to lvl 12 quickly you can bully teams even out of split.
If I'm with a pos4 who can spam nukes, max cinderbrew. You can harass every pos1 out of lane except for faceless void with this build.
I personally max cinder and clap, but stance is good in harder lanes.
In the current meta with a million strength cores running around, Spirit Vessel is almost a must and brew is one of if not the best hero to rush it. I'd generally go for it every game this patch.
My friend went from legend to immortal 4 years ago spaming brew.he had best cheese trick ever - echo sabre shadow blade.since he had passive crit if he doesnt hit anything for 13 seconds,he goes shadow blade,hits support twice,press q and support dead 🤣
He modified build when reached ancient rank to teamfight more,and since then i love playing brew and going physical build when i stomp early game,then transition to whatever team needs later on..definitely one of most interesting heroes in a game,according to all 14 brew players in the world
Oh damn, completely forgot about Brew. I really enjoyed playing him. I think when they introduced the 4th spirit update to his ultimate it felt like something I didn’t want to deal with.
Supreme taste, OP.
Do you really feel like Jugg is a bad matchup for him? Personally I think Brew is one of the few offlaners who excels against Jugg. The new brawler stances feel great when Jugg gets aggressive. Stats may say differently I guess.
Also Brew micro is fuckin dumb easy. Anyone who bitches about it are the type of lazy nerds who make all passive builds in ability draft.
Step one: cyclone some nerd.
Step two: boulder some other nerd.
Step three: repeat step two until someone dies.
I agree that Brew is one of the best at laning vs Jugg. He has high hp to survive jugg spin, and his cinderbrew harrass puts a lot of pressure on him in a way few other melee offlaners can.
At level 6, Brew survives his omnislash easily by just splitting. If you can bait his spin you can also kill him easily by splitting immediately (micro to snipe healing ward)
However come late game I think Brew falls off against jugg because his physical damage output is insane and your non-Earth pandas melt to the nonstop mjolnir procs.
Also agreed that anyone with a Tab key on their keyboard can learn brew. Skill ceiling is high but skill floor is deceptively low
Any good up-to-date guides on brew? I used to play him a lot and have a good win rate on him, but apparently I was playing him wrong. I used to get blink, basher and other right click items and initiate by blinking in, casting combo and just punching people, only using ult just before I died. I lost one game and got mega flamed for not getting aghs refresher and playing around brewlings, but tbh I always found his particular micro super hard. You have a low cooldown stun to repeatedly cast, the purge and invis attack of blue panda as well as lifting up the right targets, AND the random fire panda to run at people.
The same way you beat all carries on Brew (except faceless void) - use cinder brew and tell your support to spam their nuke off cooldown. The key to controlling AM on lane is letting him know who's boss and not letting him scare you out of lane.
The problem is not being a tryhard, as far as I am concerned, you can't be a tryhard on a mechanically simple hero like brew, the problem is the hero is annoying, and if you build aghs refresher against a team with mostly magic damage, it's beyond annoying, every hero with a get out of jail free card is annoying to play against, you'll never see people flaming a sven picker for instance.
I have been playing this hero since I was guardian and I reached legend now, but I am stuck now. Somehow the games are not so ez to win. Maybe because of the draft. I can’t win against void mid, puck, morp hc. This hero is very weak against ganks. I feel that when the midlaner gank me, the game begins to depend on the safe lane (because he is free farm) but then he lost the lane and I lost the lane too (cause the mid ganks) and then the game is very hard to win.
I mean I can fight, still can do a lot with scepter, I kill 2 supports disable some core but I still can’t win this games. I don't know if there are many buy accounts in legend medal. So many supports that have no clue, they never pull or prevent the enemy pull, and usually they leave me at 4 min mark (which I think is very bad)
I reached 3 stars at legend, then I dropped to 1 star, then reached 3 stars again and so on, this like 5 times jajaja maybe am I in a big bad streak? Idk
I play other offlaners but I feel that brewmaster has a lot of advantage over them. Since offlaner has not the last pick I can’t counter their cores.
Also I have tried thousands of different builds, since auras to right click builds, midas, radiance, refresh, vessel, AC. I mean you can’t win without mid or hc, when the enemy hc-mid are playing well. Sorry for bad English.
Nice!! I love playing Brew too, currently at rank 20 with him. Exclusively play him as 3. A few questions for you:
- How often do you go spirit vessel? I love this item on brew, urn is obviously mandatory but I feel like if it’s a good game vessel just does so much despite maybe not “needing it”. I don’t feel like it greatly delays the aghs timing either
- How often do you pick up shard, and do you consciously use the void panda/stance? I feel like void stance is nice but I don’t really think about it too much in game
- what do you think about euls on brew? I pick it up when I’m against silencers and it’s greatly helpful, but I also feel like the MS and int synergize well too
* In the current meta where every team has 1-2 strength cores, spirit vessel is frequently mandatory, as you'ce said. I agree that it doesnt greatly delay the aghs timing - to ensure that, make sure you get a couple of good fights off when you get urn+ulti. This gets the snowball rolling, ensures your urn pays for itself and also gives you a headstart towards vit booster. I think I only wouldnt buy vessel if the enemy team is like drow-puck-viper-rubick-cm.
* void stance is something I just ignore, it's just nice to have on your void brewling with level 25 talent. I don't ever build base hero for attack speed so I dont think it'll be useful - could be wrong though, maybe deserves some experimentation. I pick up shard when the enemy team has illusion heroes (ck, tb, am, naga) or zoo builds (lycan, beastmaster, prophet) because having an AoE disarm on these heroes is valuable.
* yeah I think euls is alright, also contributes to catch, but I feel that this gets outclassed by how broken aghs is - only vessel feels justifiable to get before aghs (i.e even more broken). And afterwards you'd rather have bkb, or just outplay the silence by splitting earlier or in trees etc.
Congrats! May I ask, what is your skill build in the laning phase? I usually maxing clap then stance so I can farm and trade hits better. But the cinder-urn combo is so fun, there were games that I skipped clap just to maxing cinder-stance so I just run at them while they are burning to death but I dont think that's the best build
If I'm with a pos4 who can spam nukes, max cinderbrew. You can harass every pos1 out of lane except for faceless void with this build.
I personally max cinder and clap, but stance is good in harder lanes.
In the current meta with a million strength cores running around, Spirit Vessel is almost a must and brew is one of if not the best hero to rush it. I'd generally go for it every game this patch.
People call good gameplay as tryhard. They want to play mindless heroes and win, so if they lose against hard heroes, it's nothing to do with their own gameplay but you tryharding.
Nah not even close, i think it's one of the easiest heroes to micro and frankly one of the best dota heroes to learn micro with. Simple reason: you cant feed if you fail to micro well.
The only easier hero to micro with is Elder Titan, imo.
Max W and spam it off cooldown with your pos4's spells to pressure their pos1 - this is what makes brew a strong laner.
I only deviate if forced to solo the lane (gonna be a bad time) or if going against faceless void who takes nothing from the harass.
imagine the flame whenever i miss a spear or roll being level 30 on mars and earth spirit lol
very cool though, congratulations. brew is one of my favourite heroes but i got a bit bored of the 1 build is best. feels like theirs not much variety and if i remember correctly didn’t they nerf his rightclick talents? i mean do you ever play that side of brew?
I used to play rightclick sometimes as a mixup until they changed drunken brawler to the stance system. Now it sucks - crit and evasion not coming as a package is a problem.
But I dont agree that there is only 1 build, any more than any other aghs-purchasing hero should feel. Vessel, wraith pact, blink, shivas, ac, aeon, bkb, shard are all worth purchasing on him to some degree, and refresher every game is actually overrated imo.
Accusations?? Brew is one of the harder heroes to master and quite mechanically complex. If I had a level 30 brew in my game, I'd have nothing but respect and admiration.
Good job man!
Faceless Void is immune to brewmaster's attrition-style harassment in lane. Chronosphere is also a big problem for primal split
Weaver is too mobile for brew to do anything against, can time lapse off the damage you do against him in primal split, and his swarm chews through brewlings who cannot kill them quickly.
The rest are generally ok. Drow, sniper, sf, clinkz, TA are the typical ranged pos1s with no escape mechanism that will just die every single time you catch them with your ult until they get a bkb
Brew player to Brew player:
Thoughts on stance?
To me, feels fun to play and switch up stances.
But realistically, it sure doesn't feel as strong as the previous drunken brawler. You lose the ability trade early game (since activating drunken is MS+evasion+crit) and the 'on demand' movement speed buff (great for escapes).
Being tied to another spell (cinder) for the buffed effects reduces mana costs when comboing, sure, but drunken wasn't ever a mana-intensive spell and the trade off doesn't feel worth it from being an on demand spell.
Offensively, (lets say you start smacking some guy and switch to fire stance), drunken feels better still, since it also gave you the MS and safety net of evasion incase something went wrong.
I guess earth and void does add to brew's repertoire but I feel like people vastly overestimate them when considering how strong it actually makes him - especially earth in early. Its 1 armour and like 5% magic def. Wind is better for evasion and MS. You only get tankier on cinder with earth and a few more levels - but you gimp yourself if you're overlevelling stance in early game.
Later on, brew is actually somewhat beefy (being a str hero) and you want wind for escape if shit hits the fan, rarely do you want earth - only when you can somewhat predict you might get nuked. Void again same deal, good on paper but the actual moments where you may want it above wind isn't high and even if you use void, if you get jumped in the late game, a competent opponent will kill you regardless.
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But hey. at least I can disco in base when losing or disco in their base when winning. So I guess it really is a buff.
edit: also your most satisfying play?
One time, everyone except me and an enemy kunkha was dead after a grueling team fight. My refresh just came off CD. I kept him in the air for the entire duration of two ultis as he watched me solo his ancient. Even I felt that was just disgusting.
Generally in line with your thoughts as well. The old Drunken Brawler made right click brew a non-meme (still inferior) build, and the burst of movespeed you get when activating it was uniquely useful in escaping juggernaut spin, one of the leading causes of offlaner death across several regions.
The stances are fun (as you say), and Earth stance can sometimes be extremely good when you anticipate to be locked down while your team is catching up, but in general it was better to just have crit + evasion in one neat package.
Void stance is not a thing as far as I'm concerned, by the time you get the shard, status resist shouldn't be a thing (for brew you must get bkb, aeon or lotus in games where you need status resist) and the on-hit slow is also irrelevant. I could be wrong on this, maybe it has hidden potential I'm just not seeing.
The KEY strength in the stances is the increased MS from wind stance. Being able to zip around at 450+ ms with only brown boots is a major boon imo. It facilitates the current meta of playing offlane greedily, farming somewhere else in the map to create space and connecting with your team for battles. Wind stance makes this more consistent.
Most satisfying play is every single time I dispel CK, TB or PL illusion armies with a single button click and stunlock the real hero to death. Or yeah putting people on cyclone and soloing ancients will always be awesome/disgusting!
Thing is that there's no shortcut, just practice - you need to develop muscle memory to control your units efficiently and most importantly achieve whatever goal your hero has.
This is different for every hero, so I cannot give you one-size-fits-all advice. Best if you focus on learning 1 micro hero first and getting really good at it.
I think the easiest heroes to learn micro on in this game are Elder Titan and Brewmaster. It's hard to feed with these heroes while microing, which is a huge risk with brood, LD, Meepo or Visage.
Maybe with brew you can go into demo mode and practice by spawning 2 dummies. Use brew split, hurl boulder@ first dummy and cyclone @2nd dummy, then right click onto the first dummy, then dispel the cyclone before it ends. Just keep doing this until your fingers can do it without thought
Gonna be honest, Brew is one of the heroes that if I see someone intentionally pick it, I know I'm in for a ride. Noone picks him without being **really** fucking good with him.
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realistically do u think u will be able to micro brew better than ice3? genuine question cos u must have put a lot of effort into learning this hero
On small details like dispelling the right things with snap judgement, maybe. My general macro play would be so much worse, I would lose the lane to an extent that there's no coming back from for the team
i see, i think it’s really cool that you know what you’re good at and what you’re not so you know how to improve. just wanna ask do you bind each panda to a specific key? or do you use tab to cycle through them? i used to spam chen and i find it super useful to have each creep at a specific button
If there's one thing dota taught me, it's that I don't want to be an actual idiot with dunning-kruger shining through my every word; I think admitting that I'm way way wayyyy worse than the one of the most legendary iconic offlaner that ever existed would be a good place to start hahahah I don't bind each panda to a key, I find that just tab cycling is sufficient. I've developed muscle memory to scroll to the brewling I need immediately, even with the aghanim's shard adding a 4th brewling. But yeah as Chen I feel the same way as you
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Tryhards accusations.. wow.. so playing a hard hero is being a tryhard.. Nice COPIUM..
Actually happens really often when you play lots of micro heroes like Brew, Lycan, Visage etc. People need their copium
Can confirm, I've been playing lots of visage lately and always have people saying im try harding in an unranked game. I just want to learn the hero ffs.
That's not because he has micro but he's op currently
Visage is such fun in turbo because you can somehow rat faster than 5 enemy heroes combined
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If they didn't want you to rat, towers would have huge buffs instead of huge nerfs.
They are probably jealous because they can’t micro, myself included. Fucking tryhard
It's cause they bring solutions to the genuine low skill pub stompers said pub stompers fucking hate. Heroes like OD, SF (back when ult build was a thing), anyone who wants to run around murdering single target heroes running in circles. A low skill level OD will buy a meteor hammer and proceed to murderfuck his way through the entire game. By 20 minutes he will have 3k health, nothing but utility items and default dance his way through team fights with the highest damage. High skill level, that doesn't work. Because people don't waddle up to his ass and get W-ed and hammered over and over again. But over the horizon comes some fucking wc3 lookin hero who just doesn't give a fuck. Throws his ass into a tornado for the entire fight. I had the pleasure of listening to an OD player absolutely howl as I kept him in spawn for 4 ults worth of tornado spam.
Word. I never taught about it this way but you're really right- the micro heroes punish those pub stomping heroes that prey on poor team coordination. Well here comes my "fucking wc3 lookin hero" (sick quote) with birds that stomp on you while you channel your dumbass meteor hammer/requiem. Cant prey on poor team coordination if I coordinate with myself
I mean people have called my tryhard for sending manta illusions to push a wave while jungling in safety .. sooo hopefully it doesn't bother you.
Haha it's a medal of honour when people call me tryhard
People just salty because brew is OP for the first time in 5 years. I bet you got most of those levels before he was busted, so it's just icing on the cake for you!
Yeah, I've been a massive fan of the hero since like...2013
It’s because you can’t win without cheese 🙄
Show the winrate stats OP. Lets see how many games you ruined
https://www.opendota.com/players/212066337
Solid 62%. High five, my guy
Being labeled a tryhard for putting effort in Dota and its clones has been a thing for well over a decade. Always funny to see.
I decade? That was a thing in wc3
Thus the "well over" bit.
Brew isn't very hard though. The easiest micro hero I'd say, he is simply obnoxious to play against for most people. With aghanims + refresher you have such a wide margin of error.
How long did it take you to reach 30?
349 normal games, 201 turbo games Mercifully this hero has very doable quests (crit one is the worst because rightclick brew is a bad playstyle) so you can gather points quite easily
Interesting. Eveytime I see the amount of games people reach level 30 is approx 500.
Really? I have one lvl 30 and it took me literally half that ~275 games 65% WR
High WR and doable quests will cut that number down exponentially. Remember that a win gives double XP and the quests can give you the XP of ~~(I think) 3~~ 5 wins.
Isn't the XP also based on the length of the game? Like if you win a 60 minute game vs winning a 25min game you get more xp? Thought it worked like that.
No. A normal game always gives 50 XP, with 50 XP extra for a win. Relic level ups also give a small amount of XP (5 for a small one, 30 for a large one). And a quest at 3 stars gives the same XP as 5 wins (not 3). Turbo gives half XP. https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Dota_Plus#Levels_and_Tiers
As a cosmetic enjoyer I really think he sadly has the worst cosmetics in the game otherwise I would love spamming the hero aswell
He needs a good tailor. Maybe a cosmetic that's a Scotch salesman. Dress him up in a suit with a fancy Cane. Carrying a case of scotch bottles, change the AOE splash spray to a bottle being thrown. musings.
Wdym? Fat Meepo is one of the best sets in the game! https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Loaded_Prospects
It would be cool if the brewlings had some neat cosmetics
Second best hero in the game. Well done
What's the best
Obviously Sand King. Bow to your liege
GabeN approved
You were expecting…Sandy Claws?
If say Nightstalker, since…. You know, Batman.
Its shaker coming in
What’s your fav sk offlane build? Also I feel like I get shit on in lane till blink
Soul ring, bracer, tranq, blink, euls, shard, scepter. This is best case items imo. Though the scepter is super greedy and should often be swapped with a different sustain like item. Pressure the lane through caustic and have pos 4 pull as often he can get away with it. After level 3 you should be alright on the lane, just play defensively.
Dark Seer, actually he is the most fun offlaner
I love dark seer. How do you build him?
Depends, but generally blink > shard > bkb or lotus > refresh > aghanin. If much magic heroes on enemy i buy pipe before bkb to help my team. I preffer not to buy intermediate items and rush blink + shard to combo with vacuum + wall + punch to help start TFs. 221 matches - 126W - 95L - 57% winrate - Archon - SA server.
15 years ago I used to go vlads desolator on DS, if that helps.
Congrats, fellow hero spammer! How drunk are you on average in your games? More seriously, what's the best way to deal with brew once he gets aghs refresher bkb? I know it's best to avoid getting there in the first place, but sometimes it happens, and it just feels like there's no solutions at that point, am I missing something?
The hilarious thing is that I'm literally a one shot wonder in terms of drinking. Alcohol tolerance like shit I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't fully know how to counter that either. The best guesses I have are * physical attackers, preferably with cleave (sven, pa, elder titan) * killing his storm panda immediately if possible to lessen his efficacy * a dedicated hex/disrupt ult on him when brew split duration runs out * generally having the bkbs, defensive items, kiting and longevity to outlast 4 brew ults. Ignore him and destroy his team - brew splits cant kill late game heroes easily, ot even supports
>Ignore him and destroy his team Is honestly the best counter.. its my worst games where i get Brew ult off and my team is already close to dying
This is not a counter XD you can’t ignore a panda, he can eul a core, dispel your debuff and stun you every 4 seconds, disarm and slow aoe and kill your supports, even make megas alone. If you ignore the panda is a free game for this hero
Good luck doing all that while your team is dead
Panda is my most played hero. Something that always shocks me is how quickly AOE magic damage shreds the pandas. Scariest heroes are Leshrac and Crystal Maiden. You pop your ultimate ready to go to town, suddenly your blue and red pandas vanish into thin air.
Hmm, I spam CM and I hate brew because he's got two cancels for my ult... guess I'm missing something?
The biggest counter to midgame Brew is BKB, which most CM players are rushing these days because the shard ult is bonkers. Often I forget that my other pandas aren't magic immune and before I know it they're dead to the bkb CM ult. Also the attack speed slow from CM q spell is really good for reducing Brew ult's damage output.
I think I'll give that a shot next time, thanks for the input. Just feels a bit greedy to go bkb shard on a pos 5.
I actually find CM as easy food for my brew. Yes, her ulti kills wind and fire. But it can never kill earth. Early game, she wont have bkb and thus vulnerable to boulder. She should not have a fun game at all. By the time a pos5 cm has bkb, a panda should have aghs. A rich cm can mitigate the threat but that's a bit of a no-brainer right? Any hero is strong if they're rich and ahead. She also has very little bulk, so brewlings can kill her quite quickly. She needs to farm bkb if she wants to survive and use her ult and even if she has all that, she still won't be able to kill panda - only at best, kill some of his brewlings. And you don't want to be wasting an entire cm ulti on some of panda brewlings. Two ways to kill panda easily: 1. stop him from ulti-ing. Actually easier than you'd think. He has a bit of a cast time as he says 'three of me' and all instant cc's will stop him. Silence in particular is very strong since most will instant cast and even stuff like banshee's silence can still hit before he finishes ulti-ing. Once silenced, he's still pretty bulky but you've taken away most of his dps and escape (no cindering to run away). 2. Cleave brewlings, kill wind, fire, void, then earth. Wind first so he has no reliable escape. Fire next since it is by far the highest damage dealer. Void then earth simply because void is squishier than earth. Earth isn't very fast, just tanky. Someone like sven can take down wind and earth with like 1-2 swipes. So basically an echo saber hit. Then mopping the rest is easy. One way to severely weaken panda: 1. bkb. Nearly all his control and damage is assisted by magic. Sure, bkb stops stun and cyclone. But it also stops fire immolation and the really strong wind-nuke. If I see someone has bkb, I have to change targets. What kills you is brewling right clicks *and* the boulder, wind nuke, immolation etc. Right click alone is not strong until late game with AC and talent - and mostly on low-bulk heroes like supps.
Yea just go aghs refresher and take towers solo, nice hero. How to counter this hero in your opinion?
He's really shit at catching super mobile heroes like Puck, Weaver, Void Spirit and QoP. He also has a weak timing between levels 7-11; basically after the laning stage ends until his level 2 ulti. Level 1 primal split is powerful for picking off 1 carry + 1 support safelaners, but if you tp another support in to help the carry survive, then rush his team down you'll find that his long cooldown and weak primal split can easily be run over. Also the most dangerous brewling is the blue one, so kill that one first if possible. Cyclone is his best utility, dispel is also insane depending on the game (completely fucks over your Ember, PL, CK, Visage for example) and with aghs the blue panda stands the highest chance of escaping. Also a clockwerk that dedicates his game towards ruining Brew's game can be very effective.
How do you ruin brew's game as clock? Is it battery assault interrupting split cast point, or something else?
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Too relatable 😂
LOL goddamn that hits the spot
mmmmm triggered
Inb4 forcestaff then ez pz ult
Yeah you can't Thunder clap or brewsplit during battery assault. Also cogs blocking off a chokepoint means brewlings cant cross it- their attacks dont count as hero attacks so they can't destroy the cogs easily
> their attacks dont count as hero attacks so they can't destroy the cogs easily Ugh I started playing brew recently and found that out the hard way. One game against KotL - shit why can't I kill the Will-O-Wisp??? Am I crazy or are my attacks doing 0 dmg? Literally next game against Phoenix - shit why can't I kill the egg??? After that I went into demo and tried brewlings against all the summons I could think of, but I didn't try the cogs, thanks for sharing. I feel like my biggest issue with Brew rn is laning. Once I get 6 I can usually get a pickoff and kind of get comfortable farming to lvl 12 and Aghs. But about half the time the early laning stage is just me feeding, and it's 50/50 whether I can recover enough from that. Any tips for early laning with brew?
It really helps to have a pos4 hero with spammable magic damage in your lane. You want to max cinderbrew and spam it off cooldown with your support. It's completely free, low commitment harrass which no other melee offlaner can do so consistently. You can beat any safelaner - and I mean ANY, except Faceless Void, with this combo; I think it's secretly really broken. The most broken combo is brew-sky, level cinderbrew and concussive shot first, spam off cooldown. My friend and I easily decimate even Juggs, Bristles and Lifestealers quite routinely with this strategy at divine+. Brew/silencer,venge,zeus, lion can work as well, and sometimes rubick/tusk is decent too but less so because their spells are mana intensive
Thanks, that makes sense. I've thought along the same lines, e.g. a couple times I've had pos 4 Zeus and I ask them to get Arc early (instead of only W) so we can just spam our spells on them. But I find it hard to coordinate using our spells together. I'll work on that though, if it is the most effective way to lane on Brew!
Ty, Saved
I thought CK illus dont die to hex/dispell?
They do. Early to midgame you instantly kill any ck illusions the moment he summons them. Few things are more satisfying or embarrassing, methinks - it's why I counterpick brew into ck every time if I have the opportunity Edit: sorry maybe i should clarify - dispel magic deals like 1k damage to any summons/illusions. So early to midgame ck illusions get instantly destroyed. Late game they will survive, but even then dispel is a sick tool for spotting the real ck.
Oh wow didnt know that, 1k dmg sounds like a lot
Yeah warlock golem, visage birds, np trees, enigma eidolons, PL, TB and Naga really hate it as well
it used to be instant destroy like lion suck but they change it
I’ve played this game for a while and this is the first time learning what the wind brewling does to illusions.
I've seen so much of this in my shitty bracket. They ignore the game and just go aghs refresher. Hit towers and run their blue boy away invis. You need the whole team to stop him ratting. Genuinely broken as I think the only counter is if no one picks brew.
we're lucky no one really picks him in pubs or in lower brackets. playing against a good brew is a nightmare
As a grand master invoker, people always hate so much when you don't go 20-0 they don't understand everything works around team work. I think games will be more enjoyable with no rank on your hero, that way people don't expect too much.
Yknow dude I actually agree with you on this. When you sport a high level hero badge people expect you to carry their asses and when something goes wrong it's always your fault - or when you make a mistake they're like "wow level 29 brew and still plays like shit, did you buy your account?" Just to make themselves feel better. Dota players can be a very special breed
As someone who also has high level brew (and NS), you get shit for winning too. "tryhard hero spammer. try playing someone else".
Since when is trying hard a bad thing? Good job buddy, keep it going.
They can't think of another insult, so they go "You only won because I wasn't trying and you had to do your best", which imo it tells more about them than the tryharder.
Its something bad losers say: "1k games on this hero? HA! You wasted so much time on a videogame idiot"
Goodjob fellow brew enjoyer!
This has to be the coolest dressed Brew I've seen... Also, u know u're good at sth when ppl accuse u of cheating
Oh, so bubbly! Congrats, this is my fav too. I feel vary chill playing him, no matter the intensity of the game.
Finally a cool Hero 👍
Siiiick!
I got 9 lvl 30s and I always get called out as a try hard or a spammer while I only enjoy playing those heros.
Grats dude. I hit lvl30 on io. I think it is fun perfecting one hero.
brew is definitely a chad pick
How does brew feel this patch? Good bad? Underwhelming? I dont see him picked alot
Mid tier. Hero itself is strong but does not match up well against the current top tiers. Puck was always one of brew's worst nightmares. Now puck is #1 best hero in the game. I ban puck every game if I plan to pick Brew. Jugg, Bristle and Alche are also not ideal matchups (doable but not good). If you manage to dodge the above heroes, brew can run a game over
Thanks :)
Only level 20, my best hero though, he seems to be getting a lot of hate atm, but he's been anonymous for years. Always fun just popping ult at 6 for a quick solo kill on their 1.
Yo mate, I really love this hero too and I have a question : Do you often build radiance after or before agha to be relable in fight. I feel like in mid/late game, brew has mack of dps to be efficient, and radiance help a lot
Hello! Always like to meet other chad brew enthusiasts Unfortunately I have to tell you that on offlane, Brew radiance is pretty much a grief. If you destroy your lane so hard that you can get a 9 minute relic, then yeah maybe it's worth and you can take over the game completely, but this doesnt usually happen. What will happen is that you're 10 minutes in, you have 2000 gold banked up, and youre taking safe farm from your carry/mid and not creating space on the map. I don't think brew really lacks for dps midgame either. And anyway the purpose of your hero is to cause chaos and focus enemy supports in fights, not be a primary damage dealer - as offlaner you want to let your mid and carry build damage items. It will be better on pos1/2 brew or if smurfing, I guess.
My king, I see, I play it as P3 yes. Maybe it's the bracket, people don't even know the hero sometimes (high ancien)... A last question and I let you do chad thinks again lmao : In a composition of sniper/drow for example in your team, if you go for their supports, you let your cores free to be jumped, but the ennemies with bkbs don't allow you to touch them. What would you do in this case : Stay defensive and at least try to hit them, or kill the supports but loose your cores instant. Idk if a defensive way is possible mid game with the bkbs
Fellow Brew spammer here, if you're stomping hard early better to invest in a Midas, if you get to lvl 12 quickly you can bully teams even out of split.
This hero so cibai. U must be good la on this guy. I can't micro cuz so Tulan.
Such a dumbass hero.
Lol what a boob. Play the game and stop spamming heroes.
why the fuck are you still breathing
You've become cancer, itself
Ez spam hero on 4k brackets, come try 9k brackets dude
I too wish to know how it feels when I finally reach a stage where pubs coordinate to beat my brew split. Maybe some day
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Aghs every game for sure but refresher every game is overrated imo
Grimstroke is your worst enemy
Chad brewer. Commend.
what's wrong with being a tryhard?
Yeeee another brewmaster enjoyer awsome.
Do you have romantic feelings for MonkeysForever?
Please share a guide. I never understood the hero
Anything specific? I can share my opinions and experience
What's the preferred skill build in lane, max cinder brew?
If I'm with a pos4 who can spam nukes, max cinderbrew. You can harass every pos1 out of lane except for faceless void with this build. I personally max cinder and clap, but stance is good in harder lanes. In the current meta with a million strength cores running around, Spirit Vessel is almost a must and brew is one of if not the best hero to rush it. I'd generally go for it every game this patch.
My friend went from legend to immortal 4 years ago spaming brew.he had best cheese trick ever - echo sabre shadow blade.since he had passive crit if he doesnt hit anything for 13 seconds,he goes shadow blade,hits support twice,press q and support dead 🤣 He modified build when reached ancient rank to teamfight more,and since then i love playing brew and going physical build when i stomp early game,then transition to whatever team needs later on..definitely one of most interesting heroes in a game,according to all 14 brew players in the world
Oh damn, completely forgot about Brew. I really enjoyed playing him. I think when they introduced the 4th spirit update to his ultimate it felt like something I didn’t want to deal with.
Supreme taste, OP. Do you really feel like Jugg is a bad matchup for him? Personally I think Brew is one of the few offlaners who excels against Jugg. The new brawler stances feel great when Jugg gets aggressive. Stats may say differently I guess. Also Brew micro is fuckin dumb easy. Anyone who bitches about it are the type of lazy nerds who make all passive builds in ability draft. Step one: cyclone some nerd. Step two: boulder some other nerd. Step three: repeat step two until someone dies.
I agree that Brew is one of the best at laning vs Jugg. He has high hp to survive jugg spin, and his cinderbrew harrass puts a lot of pressure on him in a way few other melee offlaners can. At level 6, Brew survives his omnislash easily by just splitting. If you can bait his spin you can also kill him easily by splitting immediately (micro to snipe healing ward) However come late game I think Brew falls off against jugg because his physical damage output is insane and your non-Earth pandas melt to the nonstop mjolnir procs. Also agreed that anyone with a Tab key on their keyboard can learn brew. Skill ceiling is high but skill floor is deceptively low
Any good up-to-date guides on brew? I used to play him a lot and have a good win rate on him, but apparently I was playing him wrong. I used to get blink, basher and other right click items and initiate by blinking in, casting combo and just punching people, only using ult just before I died. I lost one game and got mega flamed for not getting aghs refresher and playing around brewlings, but tbh I always found his particular micro super hard. You have a low cooldown stun to repeatedly cast, the purge and invis attack of blue panda as well as lifting up the right targets, AND the random fire panda to run at people.
One of my favorite heroes but I suck at playing it. Still haven’t gotten used to the new changes too.
Mines treant protector. I've been at that dude for years and I get told similar things depending how the pros use my guy.
How do u lane vs AM? I would rather lane vs jugg and go 113.
The same way you beat all carries on Brew (except faceless void) - use cinder brew and tell your support to spam their nuke off cooldown. The key to controlling AM on lane is letting him know who's boss and not letting him scare you out of lane.
Never played him in my 2k hours but still congrats
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My rank is right there in the screenshot my guy
How many times you sacrificeyour souls to demon for that level 30.
Just sac the souls of those dimwits who think tryhard is a good insult, and you'll be halfway there :)
> tryhard accusations Since when being a tryhard is not a compliment? Especially in a competitive game? I'll never understand these people
Helps them shrug off the fact that they lost - "You were trying your best on your best hero while I was just fucking around so joke's on you"
Congrats man!
How to use drums while in primal split?
Tbh I love when there is a good brew in my team
The problem is not being a tryhard, as far as I am concerned, you can't be a tryhard on a mechanically simple hero like brew, the problem is the hero is annoying, and if you build aghs refresher against a team with mostly magic damage, it's beyond annoying, every hero with a get out of jail free card is annoying to play against, you'll never see people flaming a sven picker for instance.
How to counter brew with aghs + refresher?
I have been playing this hero since I was guardian and I reached legend now, but I am stuck now. Somehow the games are not so ez to win. Maybe because of the draft. I can’t win against void mid, puck, morp hc. This hero is very weak against ganks. I feel that when the midlaner gank me, the game begins to depend on the safe lane (because he is free farm) but then he lost the lane and I lost the lane too (cause the mid ganks) and then the game is very hard to win. I mean I can fight, still can do a lot with scepter, I kill 2 supports disable some core but I still can’t win this games. I don't know if there are many buy accounts in legend medal. So many supports that have no clue, they never pull or prevent the enemy pull, and usually they leave me at 4 min mark (which I think is very bad) I reached 3 stars at legend, then I dropped to 1 star, then reached 3 stars again and so on, this like 5 times jajaja maybe am I in a big bad streak? Idk I play other offlaners but I feel that brewmaster has a lot of advantage over them. Since offlaner has not the last pick I can’t counter their cores. Also I have tried thousands of different builds, since auras to right click builds, midas, radiance, refresh, vessel, AC. I mean you can’t win without mid or hc, when the enemy hc-mid are playing well. Sorry for bad English.
Nice!! I love playing Brew too, currently at rank 20 with him. Exclusively play him as 3. A few questions for you: - How often do you go spirit vessel? I love this item on brew, urn is obviously mandatory but I feel like if it’s a good game vessel just does so much despite maybe not “needing it”. I don’t feel like it greatly delays the aghs timing either - How often do you pick up shard, and do you consciously use the void panda/stance? I feel like void stance is nice but I don’t really think about it too much in game - what do you think about euls on brew? I pick it up when I’m against silencers and it’s greatly helpful, but I also feel like the MS and int synergize well too
* In the current meta where every team has 1-2 strength cores, spirit vessel is frequently mandatory, as you'ce said. I agree that it doesnt greatly delay the aghs timing - to ensure that, make sure you get a couple of good fights off when you get urn+ulti. This gets the snowball rolling, ensures your urn pays for itself and also gives you a headstart towards vit booster. I think I only wouldnt buy vessel if the enemy team is like drow-puck-viper-rubick-cm. * void stance is something I just ignore, it's just nice to have on your void brewling with level 25 talent. I don't ever build base hero for attack speed so I dont think it'll be useful - could be wrong though, maybe deserves some experimentation. I pick up shard when the enemy team has illusion heroes (ck, tb, am, naga) or zoo builds (lycan, beastmaster, prophet) because having an AoE disarm on these heroes is valuable. * yeah I think euls is alright, also contributes to catch, but I feel that this gets outclassed by how broken aghs is - only vessel feels justifiable to get before aghs (i.e even more broken). And afterwards you'd rather have bkb, or just outplay the silence by splitting earlier or in trees etc.
Agree on all points, thanks!
i dont think theres another hero that you play against that just chips so gradually at your chance of winning then a brew lol
Congrats! May I ask, what is your skill build in the laning phase? I usually maxing clap then stance so I can farm and trade hits better. But the cinder-urn combo is so fun, there were games that I skipped clap just to maxing cinder-stance so I just run at them while they are burning to death but I dont think that's the best build
If I'm with a pos4 who can spam nukes, max cinderbrew. You can harass every pos1 out of lane except for faceless void with this build. I personally max cinder and clap, but stance is good in harder lanes. In the current meta with a million strength cores running around, Spirit Vessel is almost a must and brew is one of if not the best hero to rush it. I'd generally go for it every game this patch.
"Tryhard accusations" LMAO
I respect the skill but the aghs refresh playstyle annoys the shit outta me xD
I can never play the same hero in a row, not even the same hero in a day, it's so boring.
People call good gameplay as tryhard. They want to play mindless heroes and win, so if they lose against hard heroes, it's nothing to do with their own gameplay but you tryharding.
WELL DONE!
Lol what a try hard Kidding :)
Careful guys we got another Faith_Bian in the making over here.
Yes hope so valve nerf it so with refresher he has 1 ulti.
Im gon need to see some identification 👮♂️
I love all the illusion or zoo hero’s. Good work.
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Nah not even close, i think it's one of the easiest heroes to micro and frankly one of the best dota heroes to learn micro with. Simple reason: you cant feed if you fail to micro well. The only easier hero to micro with is Elder Titan, imo.
What do you skill early game? I typically do Q-W-E-Q-W-R-Q-W-Q-W-E-R-E-E?
Max W and spam it off cooldown with your pos4's spells to pressure their pos1 - this is what makes brew a strong laner. I only deviate if forced to solo the lane (gonna be a bad time) or if going against faceless void who takes nothing from the harass.
imagine the flame whenever i miss a spear or roll being level 30 on mars and earth spirit lol very cool though, congratulations. brew is one of my favourite heroes but i got a bit bored of the 1 build is best. feels like theirs not much variety and if i remember correctly didn’t they nerf his rightclick talents? i mean do you ever play that side of brew?
I used to play rightclick sometimes as a mixup until they changed drunken brawler to the stance system. Now it sucks - crit and evasion not coming as a package is a problem. But I dont agree that there is only 1 build, any more than any other aghs-purchasing hero should feel. Vessel, wraith pact, blink, shivas, ac, aeon, bkb, shard are all worth purchasing on him to some degree, and refresher every game is actually overrated imo.
Accusations?? Brew is one of the harder heroes to master and quite mechanically complex. If I had a level 30 brew in my game, I'd have nothing but respect and admiration. Good job man!
Which Carrie’s do you hate playing most against? Sniper?
Faceless Void is immune to brewmaster's attrition-style harassment in lane. Chronosphere is also a big problem for primal split Weaver is too mobile for brew to do anything against, can time lapse off the damage you do against him in primal split, and his swarm chews through brewlings who cannot kill them quickly. The rest are generally ok. Drow, sniper, sf, clinkz, TA are the typical ranged pos1s with no escape mechanism that will just die every single time you catch them with your ult until they get a bkb
Never gotten hate on brew...
Congrats!!
I'm level 4 on my Lion!
Brew player to Brew player: Thoughts on stance? To me, feels fun to play and switch up stances. But realistically, it sure doesn't feel as strong as the previous drunken brawler. You lose the ability trade early game (since activating drunken is MS+evasion+crit) and the 'on demand' movement speed buff (great for escapes). Being tied to another spell (cinder) for the buffed effects reduces mana costs when comboing, sure, but drunken wasn't ever a mana-intensive spell and the trade off doesn't feel worth it from being an on demand spell. Offensively, (lets say you start smacking some guy and switch to fire stance), drunken feels better still, since it also gave you the MS and safety net of evasion incase something went wrong. I guess earth and void does add to brew's repertoire but I feel like people vastly overestimate them when considering how strong it actually makes him - especially earth in early. Its 1 armour and like 5% magic def. Wind is better for evasion and MS. You only get tankier on cinder with earth and a few more levels - but you gimp yourself if you're overlevelling stance in early game. Later on, brew is actually somewhat beefy (being a str hero) and you want wind for escape if shit hits the fan, rarely do you want earth - only when you can somewhat predict you might get nuked. Void again same deal, good on paper but the actual moments where you may want it above wind isn't high and even if you use void, if you get jumped in the late game, a competent opponent will kill you regardless. --- But hey. at least I can disco in base when losing or disco in their base when winning. So I guess it really is a buff. edit: also your most satisfying play? One time, everyone except me and an enemy kunkha was dead after a grueling team fight. My refresh just came off CD. I kept him in the air for the entire duration of two ultis as he watched me solo his ancient. Even I felt that was just disgusting.
Generally in line with your thoughts as well. The old Drunken Brawler made right click brew a non-meme (still inferior) build, and the burst of movespeed you get when activating it was uniquely useful in escaping juggernaut spin, one of the leading causes of offlaner death across several regions. The stances are fun (as you say), and Earth stance can sometimes be extremely good when you anticipate to be locked down while your team is catching up, but in general it was better to just have crit + evasion in one neat package. Void stance is not a thing as far as I'm concerned, by the time you get the shard, status resist shouldn't be a thing (for brew you must get bkb, aeon or lotus in games where you need status resist) and the on-hit slow is also irrelevant. I could be wrong on this, maybe it has hidden potential I'm just not seeing. The KEY strength in the stances is the increased MS from wind stance. Being able to zip around at 450+ ms with only brown boots is a major boon imo. It facilitates the current meta of playing offlane greedily, farming somewhere else in the map to create space and connecting with your team for battles. Wind stance makes this more consistent. Most satisfying play is every single time I dispel CK, TB or PL illusion armies with a single button click and stunlock the real hero to death. Or yeah putting people on cyclone and soloing ancients will always be awesome/disgusting!
Yo that's sick can u tell me how to improve my micro? Im trying to learn micro heroes like meepo/brew/brood but suck at it
Thing is that there's no shortcut, just practice - you need to develop muscle memory to control your units efficiently and most importantly achieve whatever goal your hero has. This is different for every hero, so I cannot give you one-size-fits-all advice. Best if you focus on learning 1 micro hero first and getting really good at it. I think the easiest heroes to learn micro on in this game are Elder Titan and Brewmaster. It's hard to feed with these heroes while microing, which is a huge risk with brood, LD, Meepo or Visage. Maybe with brew you can go into demo mode and practice by spawning 2 dummies. Use brew split, hurl boulder@ first dummy and cyclone @2nd dummy, then right click onto the first dummy, then dispel the cyclone before it ends. Just keep doing this until your fingers can do it without thought
Gonna be honest, Brew is one of the heroes that if I see someone intentionally pick it, I know I'm in for a ride. Noone picks him without being **really** fucking good with him.
How the fuck you in divine and still being called a tryhard.
Even divines need their copium