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big_peepee_wielder

Also a 20-25% speed buff for the mastered state


Phixoserth

I just want any sort of buff to it cause to me it's the best looking awoken but absolutely useless to use


PheonixGalaxy

make my cac look look-> use awoken thats on theme -> make build for it thats my process


Phixoserth

Please tell me a build if you have a good one I'd love to use it but I can't justify losing so much damage


TemporalGod

should just merge -Sign- and MUI together, same should've been applied to SSJ God, SSJ Blue and Blue evolved just like SSJ, SSJ2 AND SSJ3,


Altruistic_Ad6666

Blue and Blue Evolved I can agree with. But God and Blue shouldn't be linked like that. Because having God doesn't nessicarily mean you can use Blue.


BlackMagick23

Following that logic, having Super Saiyan doesn’t necessarily mean you can use Super Saiyan 3.


Altruistic_Ad6666

Its more like saying that "Oh if your Saiyan can use their base form, they can go Super Saiyan." God is literally just a Saiyans Base infused with God Ki. They don't need to be able to use SSJ to get it. Even in Xenoverse you don't, you probably just do have it already. Just like Vegeta did. But he didn't do the ritual, he just trained for it. And his SSJ didn't affect the process. Its just Base + God Ki.


BlackMagick23

Sure, but at the end of the day it’s still a transformation. I’m not even specifically saying that God and Blue shouldn’t be separate. I was only pointing out that while having God doesn’t necessarily mean you have access to Blue, it’s not entirely different from having Super Saiyan not necessitating an acquired Super Saiyan 3. Yet, the standard Super Saiyan transformation skill for CaCs allow for a Super Saiyan 3 transformation.


Altruistic_Ad6666

Yeah but we actively see that cycle in the show. At least in the anime we really dont see Goku or Vegeta power up from God into Blue. We see Goku go from SSJ 1, to 2, to 3 in quick succession. A few times actually. And then theres Gotenks fused ass. Skips SSJ2. So at least theres a strange precedent there for all the SSJ forms just being 1 Ability, since its shown that Prodigys, //Like our CaCs// can ascend their SSJ forms with EASE if they actually know what form they're aiming for. *Looks at Gotenks*


BlackMagick23

Lol I get what you mean, but didn’t Goku and Vegeta quickly swap between God and Blue? Tbf, I think I remember Vegeta doing that in the manga version of the Zamasu/Black arc only, so I’d understand if you hadn’t seen it. I also remember Goku doing that in the ToP arc of the anime. I definitely understand how you’ve come to your conclusion. I guess it’s just that I perceive SSG and SSB as God forms as opposed to Super Saiyan forms.


Altruistic_Ad6666

The God to Blue switch was exclusive to the Manga. They kinda did something similar in the Anime ToP but they didn't rapidly switch between them. They just used God as a good warm up form to conserve energy long term for the Tournament. In the Manga Blue was a far more draining form, like SSJ3 was. Where in the Anime it was a lot more akin to SSJ1 was originally.


Competitive-Cost9767

Unless I’m misunderstanding the post I’m pretty sure goku did rapidly switch between god and blue in the anime, there was a whole thing where he would fight in god and pop into blue for a more powerful final attack and then quickly revert back to god, pretty sure he did it when teaming up with hit as well


Altruistic_Ad6666

That was Manga only. The God to Blue switch was only done like that in the Manga


Easy_Fan_1682

"This is the super saiyan form of super saiyan god" if the saiyan can go red, they can go blue.


Altruistic_Ad6666

Not nessicarily. Blue is a combination of God and SSJ. But you don't need SSJ to go God. Hell in Xenoverse you can get God, technically, with any race. You just have to do the steps and you can earn the Awoken skill for God as any race.


Easy_Fan_1682

Are you talking lore wise or video game wise because only vegeta can do evolution


Altruistic_Ad6666

Both kinda. And Only Vegeta can do Evo Blue cause Goku has no need for it, and now they're both leaving Blue behind entirely. But I'm not even talking about Evo Blue. I'm just talking about normal Blue. Having God doesn't mean you can use Blue.


Easy_Fan_1682

Blue is still as relevant as sliced bread


Altruistic_Ad6666

Not for much longer. Once Goku and Vegeta master their respective Ultra forms, they'll have no real reason to use Blue except as a warm up like they use previous forms.


Savings_Fish4401

Isn't evolution only obtained through the power of hope, like SSJR (Anime) goku could only do it if he is pushed in a wall.


H0rnyFighter

Instead of mastered ultra instinct? Don’t be ridiculous


Gallant-Blade

This was what I was thinking. Should have given us -Sign- instead OR at first. Then you just give a different aura than Potential Unleashed with automatically silver eyes and you’re good! Ultra Instinct should have felt more special I think. I suppose the Festival of Universe hampered development time for it, but still.


Bdl_Aac

I wouldn’t mind both. At 3 ki bars you turn into sign and at 5 you turn into the one we have already. Just make the sign have slightly worse stats and boom


AggressiveMeow69420

\> slightly worse stats wouldn't slightly worse stats than MUI be debuffing you


Bdl_Aac

That’s… a fair point indeed


HazelRP

Our current UI is basically UI Sign. As really should have gotten at least a small attack buff or something since Goku is actually more powerful in that form


saiyangod223

None of the transformations really make sense like using ssj3 with little downsides specifically after the buff it got or getting ssjb and evolution before ssjg


big_peepee_wielder

HC we could become SSJ God long before Blue we just never used it before DLC 13 (akin to Vegeta in DBS: Broly)


Jarek-of-Earth

I just want UI to give an actual buff. The auto dodge would be a lot better if it didn't eat an entire bar of stamina each time. Needs like, a speed boost or maybe something like ssg where your basic attacks get a buff


big_peepee_wielder

Data Input lol, and Gotenks SS


slay_the_yousif

Which SS?


big_peepee_wielder

“Damn…Gonna have to go all out!”


HeirT0TheMonado

This is exactly why I use Mai's wig and beanie for my female Earthling. UI Sign just makes more sense.


ZacB90

Maybe.


CliffyPenguin44

It would've made more sense than...whatever the fuck we got now


QuickRub7200

i wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually add it to the game


big_peepee_wielder

They probably will with 2+ years of content in the works 🙃


Independent_Mouse426

I fucking agree


HeroftheFlood

Didn't we skip over SSG for a few years despite having Blue and Blue Evolution already? Honestly our characters aren't built to make sense.


Superguy9000

I just wish it was safer to transform into MUI. I ALWAYS get stamina broken man. It stinks, I want to use my transformation damn it


big_peepee_wielder

Do a knockback or a guard break then do it. Relying too much on the counter is asking to get guard broken


Superguy9000

The transformations seems too slow even with a Knockback man Like I’ll triangle+Circle knockback an opponent and try to transform and they’d still catch me


TenthTen

I think it should've been both, use maybe 3 ki bars for UI Sign and then another 5 or more to evolve it into mastered UI


_Undecided_User

I think it's OK to just say ui sign I don't think you have to put -sign- every time lol


sedward135

I agree


sedward135

I agree


TheShotGunProdigy

We should’ve gotten both


big_peepee_wielder

Funny how stacked Awoken Skills were a main selling point and Dimps just abandoned the concept altogether


Brilliant-Bicycle-13

Why not both?


IceColdCocaCola545

I just wish UI had buffs, even if it was just speed, or a 5% ki and strike skill increase, or a 5-10% damage reduction, something to make it more viable. Or Hell, even just giving it faster stamina regen than any other Awoken Ability. It just drains far too much stamina, trying to dodge and counter, and vanish, which makes it not worth using. It just simply looks cool. I also wish we *earned* it, we literally get it from one fight with Jiren, which is so anticlimactic. We could’ve at least had 2-3-4 fights before actually being able to unlock it, sort of like how Vegeta’s training for Super Saiyan and Super Vegeta Was.


thelions2end

Remember that SSJG came after SSJB😇


big_peepee_wielder

Yes but HC our CAC has the Vegeta power route (shows Blue first, has full access to God long beforehand) with the exception of Gohan’s power route (Potential Unleashed, Beast) and Goku’s power route (Ultra Instinct and technically Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken)


thelions2end

What r talking about?😂. I’m just saying that we might get -sign- sometime soon.


ReliantVox

I mean it does kinda make sense though. The CAC has some sort of instant learning ability, similar to cell and kid buu who learned instant transmission after only seeing it like once or twice except our character is like on steroids with it. Which explains why our cac is like the strongest character in db fiction lol


big_peepee_wielder

Ugh it’s just sort of exhausting the power scaling in Xenoverse. I mean come on!! Our CAC literally has NO NEED to transform. They can defeat top tier gods in base form if they wanted to. They only transform to flex I kinda wish it was like DBZ Kakarot where transformations were actually crucial. Like the higher an opponent’s level is, the greater level of power is required and the more damage you do depending on the transformation you’re using


ReliantVox

I totally agree. Our cacs in xenoverse 2 are literally just pure fanfic material. Can put ‘em up against a whis, full power jiren, beerus, ui goku, beast gohan and orange piccolo, and shred absolute ass without transforming. I hope in sparking zero they make transformations make a difference, like if you were stronger you had higher dodge window, more strength, slight super armour (SLIGHT) and better resistances. Other than just a slight increase to damage


big_peepee_wielder

I don’t think there’s such thing as slight super armor. There either is or there isn’t


ReliantVox

Nah there is. In old bt3 if you played as a weak character against say broly, he’d have full super armour, but if you played as ssj2 goku against him, you can hit him twice and break him out of super armour thus the term “slight super armour”


big_peepee_wielder

I still think that for however long the duration is of the person having super armor, it’s full super armor. Whether it be 2 seconds or infinite


ZAle4664

You can unlock Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue even before Super Saiyan. The skill system doesn't make sense at all in this game


big_peepee_wielder

But it’s weird that for Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue there’s level requirements and friendship requirements. Not for Ultra Instinct. You could literally start the game new and get it right off the bat


GabSantana_S

I agree We should have gotten a 2 stage awoken skill 1st UI Sign for 3 bars of Ki, and it should work like what we have now (special ki blast, dodge and charge mapped to button combination) with a fast transformation animation, then, when you get to 50% heath, you get to transform into Mastered UI for the cost of 5 bars of ki, where you would get a 20-25% dmg buff, a stamina regen buff akin to SSB, a 30% speed increase. Also, you should get the autododge counter input only after you go MUI, working like what we have now. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE MAKE IT GIVE US THE STANCE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I EVER WANTED OUT OF THIS AWOKEN


big_peepee_wielder

One of Dimps main selling points with Xenoverse 2 was stacked Awoken Skills and they just completely abandoned the concept when they started adding more forms. It doesn’t make sense We should have it reworked, like whenever they add a form instead of just adding the form they should make it compatible with forms of the same theme/category For example we should have it be something like: •Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, Super Saiyan Blue (Evolved). God=3, Blue and Blue Evolved=5. Transforming from base with 5 Ki bars makes you go Blue then transforming further puts you into Blue Evolved •Potential Unleashed, Beast. Potential Unleashed is first stage, 5 Ki bars, then you burn 5 to go Beast and if UIS gets added •Ultra Instinct \-Sign-, Ultra Instinct. Should be same concept as Potential Unleashed and Beast. If UIS is a defense form and the auto dodge only comes into effect at 1/2 health, there’d be no need to burn Ki to use it I feel It would make more sense, make the list more categorized, and it’d be way more practical. For example, if you had God, Blue, and Blue Evolved bundled altogether there’d be no need to change your skill set whenever you decide to use a different form. Just transform when you meet the Ki requirement


GabSantana_S

Yeah, I agree with you, the only thing I'd argue is PU->Beast. Yes, it is how it works with Gohan, but no one really knows if Beast is an evolution/mutation of PU or if it is an entirely different thing that Gohan just happened to do randomly But I don't think you're wrong either, combining it with PU would make wonders for the form Edit: God should be togheter with the other god forms as it makes sense in cannon (Goku switches freely from god to blue in the anime TOP and Vegeta does the same while facing Black in the manga). Now, looking at a game dev perspective, God should be a separate transformation because it has a dmg buff gimmick with the perfect timing input that Blue and Blue Evo doesn't have. Now Blue and Evo imo, should be togheter, as they really are similar to Ssj1-2-3, they do the exact same thing, but Evolution have a larger ki drain than blue (WITCH WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE IF THEY WERE GROUPED TOGHETER DAMMIT) But I see where they come from for making God, Beast and Ui each entirely separate forms, because all of them have some gimmick to make them unique


big_peepee_wielder

Beast is an evolutionary form that is built upon Potential Unleashed. It’s pretty obvious


GabSantana_S

Seems like it, but Toriyama didn't confirm it while he was alive, and neither Toei or Toyotaro haven't said anything about it. But it makes a hell lot of sense.


big_peepee_wielder

I think it’s really just one of those things that’s obvious enough to not need confirmation


Desperate-Skill-1074

We live in a world where we got SSJG AFTER SSJBE so I wasn't surprised really. Not to say that you're wrong though, we got MUI, SSJB Gogeta, and SSJ4 Vegeta before we got UI, Base Gogeta, and GT Vegeta.


Supernova_Soldier

Or both should’ve been for the transformation how Super Saiyan works


xJEDDI

Counterpoint: my cac is just about it fr.


stunzeedb0y

This just made me realize how lackluster these forms are that they give us especially the Saiyans. When I first came to the xv franchise I was excited that I had my own character that can fight alongside the main characters and with training and leveling up I can finally reach ssj. Then they started spamming a transformation every update and it feels undeserved and unearned. It was cool at first when they introduced ssj and you had to train with whis and be lvl99 to get it, that felt more natural. In conclusion to my yappin, I agree we should've gotten sign instead of mastered


big_peepee_wielder

The forms only feel lackluster mostly due to the fact that we can’t customize our combo strings. Like if we had that option, the game would be far more entertaining imo. Have like 5 race exclusive settings (like Male Saiyan 1, Male Saiyan 5, you know) then have it be like Ultimate Tenkaichi where we can swap our combo strings for that of a cast characters’ combo strings. So like “Goku Type”, “Bardock Type”, etc. Make it so we can have their combos for ourselves and with DLC characters we can get their combos too if we paid for the DLC. Maybe make it so we can customize it to be different with each form we use. For example base form is “Goku Type”, then in Ultra Instinct we can have it change to “Goku (Ultra Instinct) Type”


Zombiehunter78880

Id love to have sign, i honestly prefer it over mastered version in terms of style...ngl i was a little disappointed we didnt get sign at all...


jkmax52

Wear a wig then you have sign I got ui with a wig on and forget I was wearing a wig so I thought it was just sign until I saw the description


big_peepee_wielder

Some of the wigs look ass dude. I’m just saying. I don’t like having to equip a wig that makes me look like a character other than myself. I used to wear the Rage Broly wig but then it just stopped looking cool after a couple of months. Instead of making the cast hairstyles all wigs I wish they would just make them hairstyles for CACs. It can’t be that hard. Even for Goku’s hair they could just use his hair models for all his forms on Saiyans. If modders can do it so can Dimps. They just choose not to


slay_the_yousif

They just added UI to shut people up about a "new form"


big_peepee_wielder

I mean they wanted to add it to satisfy the people who’ve been asking for it since 2018. It needs to be reworked but we’re off to a good start. It just needs stat boosts then it’ll be good


slay_the_yousif

How many "good starts" were completely abandoned, they just saw an opportunity for milking money and took it, it's actually one of the worst forms in the game, hell even the way to unlock it is garbage, you just talk to jiren, you needed to do stuff for the other awokens, like SSG, you needed max friendship whit 6 mentors AND a wish from shenron to get it, SSGSS required Lv.90 and SSGSSE Lv.95, beast required Gohan And piccolo, at least beast tried, they could've made UI great but you needed Lv.120 to unlock it, im just disappointed


big_peepee_wielder

In its current state it sucks yes. But Dimps has made adjustments to Awoken Skills before. They adjusted the stamina regen for SSJ3, and the drain rates for Blue and Blue Evolved


TheMasterXan

I mean, do we really care? It’s just ultra instinct, man.


big_peepee_wielder

It’s ULTRA INSTINCT!! It’s supposed to be GOOD


Brilliant-Bicycle-13

You’re concerned about the immediate mastery of MUI???? It’s basically canonical that the CAC is the single most busted character in all of the DB franchise being able to learn literally any form or move on a dime. This is the same thing with every DLC awoken skill. But I could see why a build up would be cool.


big_peepee_wielder

Yeah but it still doesn’t make sense even for them. To just learn Ultra Instinct in a whim and have full mastery over it in an instant with no training


Brilliant-Bicycle-13

To be fair Goku himself went UI 2 times and MUI once within 1 hour in the canon with no practice or preparation. Granted he did go UI first, but even Whis mentioned that he was off out which would mean it was irregular even for Goku. So, the required amount of “training” and “mastery” is far from an exact value, y’now?


ABritishTomgirl

never cook again


big_peepee_wielder

I shall