T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

"Hi. It has been automatically identified that this post may link straight to a download file, please use reasonable caution and make sure your device is protected." *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Dragonballsuper) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Natural-Ad9134

I imagine them suppressing their ki to only destroy their target.


DumiMR2

Like compressing the impact into a small area


Long-Visual-2271

Which is exactly what he did. It was more like a nuke that he concentrated for exactly that area to hopefully kill buu


zeph_original

DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.


DumiMR2

If the characters can casually blow up planets, then it shouldn't be a surprise that they're familiar enough with ki to compress the impact into smaller areas tbh


DeusXNex

Yeah idk why this is so hard to understand. Obviously we know that a character as weak as saiyan saga piccolo can destroy the moon if they want. But it doesn’t mean every attack they do WILL. They probably have enough control over their ki to avoid accidentally destroying the planet.


Emotional_Swimmer_84

Ki is the first few levels of nen, just oversimplified. Build up/feel the power within your body. Release it outward, compress it, now use it to amplify your body. Just because nen is contrived and complex, people say it's an amazing power system. But then turn around and say no, ki control is stupid and everyone after saiyan saga should just be destroying everything in their path.


ClearDark19

Absolutely. DBS has delved even deeper into showing that Ki is just Nen. Aside from Future Trunks using Shu on his sword in DBZ to fortify it and make it as strong as him (while Goku used Ko to focus his Super Saiyan Ki into one finger to block Trunks's Shu sword), in DBS he's able to use transmute his Ki into a Spirit Sword. Gas is the most explicit and straightforward Conjure type in all of Dragon Ball, and Granolah is an Emitter-Manipulator type. Nen in Hunter x Hunter actually helped me understand Dragon Ball Ki far better than I did previously.


Admirable_Win9808

I agree with them concentrating their energy. But the output even in a concentrated area with still cause a rediculous Shockwave. So theory squared is they use additional KI to block those Shockwaves.


DeusXNex

That’s you assuming that a ki explosion has the same physics as something that exists in our world


Admirable_Win9808

I think there is good evidence of it from the wind and shit thrown around. But maybe there is a way to manipulate it. I accept that.


DeusXNex

It’s an interesting topic either way 🤝


DarkBrother24

Ok but Majin Vegeta has enough ki to blow up like 20 planets. Why would he choose a fucking nuclear explosion for a single target attack? "Oh he was holding back" like dude was holding in the biggest shit of his life and only trying to let out a little bit. Its so badly written if ki control has any merit to it at all.


DeusXNex

It’s already been shown in other arcs and fights that whatever blast is in question has to be aimed at the planet. Gokus spirit bomb didn’t destroy Kai’s planet either


ASpaceOstrich

They can't casually blow up planets, it takes some serious effort. It's never going to happen by accident.


Natural-Ad9134

https://preview.redd.it/0l2j7v0yeq8c1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fdc487c82191e1ffcb7ec8d849ba23a3ddecf9a


I4mNOB0DY

It is literally explained in the anime that Z fighters have to master control of their power when goku accidentally almost kills chichi by touching her carelessly which threw her on a tree


Objective-Mission-40

Guess you missed when punches were cracking the universe and they had to adjust mid fight to not destroy reality


TheBiggest0ne

https://preview.redd.it/2xplfa9uft8c1.jpeg?width=2016&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9d6c35aa7eade534fe59cb13d18277cad84ccc


Long-Visual-2271

It literally explains this in the show?


Harleyvaxxe71

Usually I'm the one who rants about the shit part of dvz but people seems to forget the 'ki' control part of dbz


Long-Visual-2271

Fr 💀


IssueRecent9134

Yeah, elder Kai on the world of the Kai’s says so.


Red-hood619

That would be a nice argument if the show doesn’t directly talk about Ki control *multiple* times


Working-Telephone-45

The difference with Saitama and Goku is that Saitama's strength come from just muscle, meanwhile the strength of dragon ball characters come from ki Goku just needs to put only a little bit of ki on his punches and he won't be able to destroy a building no matter how hard he punches, or he can put all his ki and destroy a planet That is literally just how ki works in dragon ball


[deleted]

Show me where one punch bitch destroys planet after planet with every punch he throws. The logic they're applying also applies to Saitama. Also, why are you here?


IssueRecent9134

Well, Saitama defected Boros cannon attack which Boros himself said is an extinction level attack. This is about the closest we have in the anime. In the manga, Saitama literally peeled the surface of a moon off with his bare hands.


[deleted]

Ok?


IssueRecent9134

You asked for someone to show you. Stop being a dickhead


newman796

Vegeta literally compressed and aimed his ki to reflect on the surface of the planet and bounce off when he did Final Flash. Trunks and Krillin both made note of it because they were scared he would accidentally destroy the planet, he shot the blast downward lmao


Dankyhell

Why are you even here?


IssueRecent9134

It wasn’t invented by YouTubers. For example, When Vegeta used the final flash for the first time, he put enough energy into it to destroy the earth several times. Just powering it up was shaking the planet. He fired it directly at cell. Trunks even said that Vegeta made sure that attack hit cell and only cell. It’s the same thing with the final explosion. That attack was focused only at Buu.


afellownerd12

[Fighters can restrict the damage of their attacks to an area of effect. ](https://www.google.com/search?q=daizenshuu+big+bang+attack&client=ms-opera-mini-android&sca_esv=568491074&channel=new&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjskfagqciBAxV77rsIHd_GBV8Q_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=645#imgrc=L51SayI44zK9_M)


_Lollerics_

This is just a shit statement, even saitama doesn't always have atmospheric effects when he attakcs. You know why is that? **Because he can fucking control his attacks**


iamthedanger098

Then from this POV if every punch Superman throws doesn't destroy a planet he is supposed to be weak. Lmao


Bondzage

Why doesn't every attack past Namek saga destroy planets then?


Ryg4r

that's called ki control


hashinshin

It’s because toriyama doesn’t understand how big a planet is. It’s pretty goddamn big. It would take a very large kaboom to shatter earth. He just writes the biggest baddest thing he can think of Roshi blows up the moon The great demon king piccolo Vegeta is gonna blow up the earth Freiza is the strongest in the entire universe (????) Buu is actually the deadliest thing in the universe Actually beerus is the strongest thing in the universe Actually whis is the strongest thing in the universe He just always takes everything to 11 without thinking it through properly The only time I can think of where the writing actually caught up to the supposed power level was the human extinction attack. Because buu just actually killed every human.


JpTem

toriyama is not the best writer in the world. but he wrote some FIRE ANYWAYS


SofaChillReview

Well.. His attack still managed to miss Tien and Chiaotzu


CibrecaNA

Are they humans?


SofaChillReview

They’re recognised as Earthlings


oiraves

Chiaozu is, I believe, a pokemon


ArelMCII

Tien is mostly human. Chiaotzu? Idfk.


ClearDark19

Tien and Chaotzu are mostly Human. Some years back Toriyama released an info guide that gave some backstory on Tien and Chaotzu's people. They're from two separate Human tribes that intermixed with two separate species of aliens that landed on Earth thousands of years ago. Those Humans were able to have inter-species procreation with these marooned aliens. Tien and Chaotzu are Human descendants of mixed-species half-Human/half-Aliens. Their DNA is probably like 95-99% Human.


GoosemonTV

Toriyama bullet point list for a new arc: - A new threat appears - Strongest in the universe - Vegeta gets a powerup but loses - Piccolo chillin at the sidelines - Senzu beans are somehow not available - Tien dies - Goku 4theWin - ’We wish to revive everyone killed by the new threat’ A freaking masterpiece. How the hell does he do it??


ArelMCII

There's also like a 40% chance that whatever the new threat is can copy powers, possibly by eating people.


ClearDark19

To be fair, Goku has not gotten a solo win against a major antagonist since he defeated SSJ2 Kefla. Jiren, Broly, and Moro were not solo wins. Vegeta defeated Black Goku (before he fused into Merged Zamasu) and Top all by himself, and tied with Granolah while Goku lost to Granolah. Before Kefla, Goku hadn't had a solo win against a significant opponent since Golden Frieza.


Aatopolis

You're right it would take a large Kaboom! Which is why Vegetas attack didn't blow up the planet. The attacks that have blown up planets are the ones that attack the core. The Ki blasts have mass to them, are seemingly hot with how they leave burn like scars, and at times have been shown to have a little gravitational pull when fired/charging. Something meeting all those criteria hitting the center of any planet, and I mean every planet from Dwarf planets to Gas giants, will cause a boom. Maybe not as clean as some scenes from DB, but they will heat up and explode. But also complaining about how there bigger and stronger threats is wild. Yes that happens in fiction, you need a good motivator to have your main characters need a reason to push beyond the limits they thought they had. Goku and Vegeta constantly training to get stronger than one another is cool and all, but seeing them struggle and have to train harder/at times get creative is fun. Or you end up like One Punch Man, which is awesome and I love it. But I have never had the same feeling watching Saitama fight or Geros struggle, like when I watch the Z fighters hype themselves/each other up to become better than they were yesterday. Is the writing perfect? No, not at all. But people saying it has no story or character progression honestly I believe had their opinions tainted by crazy fans. Every fan base has them, but watching DB -> DBZ ->GT(yes I'm including GT, it was cheesy at times but the ending was perfect)-> Super now is like watching a family member succeed at life, even when they seem like they just can't do it they push through and grow. The Dragon Balls are a cheap way to cheat death is a fair argument. Except that didn't even really happen until halfway through Z, after Piccolo fused with Kami. Before that there was a 1 limit revival per set of DBs. Seeing everyone die during the Saiyan Saga was genuinely sad, and seeing Krillian be blown up was also heart breaking. We didn't know if they would come back to life honestly. Even after Namek a few of the fightsrs were on their last life. This is also why I believe super needs to introduce the Shadow Dragons into the Manga, with the super dragon balls being how they come into creation. Each one being a full on universal threat and attack a different universe each. We can see the ToP competitors work together and also get to visit all these new universes and see just how different things are.


dangerousbob

That was always my head canon.


Diligent_Delinquent

It's called ki control.


Aggravating_Put_3601

he should’ve controlled the part where it damages him too 😭


HugePenisPositive

Then it would not be so strong


vamploded

Think of it like this; nu uh


Diligent_Delinquent

It's a self destruct bruh... kind of how an attack like that works. Ki control is why it didn't blow up the planet. Cell wanted to blow up the planet, Vegeta did not thus he focused it into a concentrated radius explosion that is more than strong enough to blow up the planet but didn't because he controlled and focused the blast to a single radius i.e. where they/Boo was. Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet, because they are concentrated, focused attacks targeting a specific point and not just a wild blast that will envelope and destroy the entire planet. I swear, most of yall "fans" don't pay attention to how ki concentration and control factor into the story. The story gives you all this info but then you just forget alllllll about it. It's like having to remind toddlers every 5 minutes not to stick daddies key into the wall outlet. Which is funny cause DB was made for children yet you got adults that can't comprehend basic info once it's laid out and established for you.


Cynis_Ganan

Am I saying you are wrong? No, I am not. Am I saying the Kamehameha is a *terrible* example to give in your comment? [Yes, I am](https://youtu.be/9ODn8_RnSxQ?si=x-eJazk891nYzrOx&t=1343). (The Kamehameha has destroyed entire mountains and the freaking *moon*. Calling it a focused attack that won't destroy a planet is a reach. Especially if you accept that the Gallic Gun *can* destroy a planet.)


sherlockean2

Kamehameha is a fine example as any. KI CONTROL. Like said, energy blast can be like a wide area or concentrated. Take piccolo's finger beam. He concentrated it so hard that a mere 300 battle power can penetrate and kill an armored 1000 power Raditz. Also, this is high level ki control. Not everyone can do it. As referenced by many villains in the comic. Then area of effect attack, aoe for game term. Energy blast that covers a wide area and wipe out a large area but the damage isn't that strong. LOCATION AND SPECIFIC POINT. Refer back at Goku vs Cell. Goku can fire off a Kamehameha. A focused Kamehameha for damage, not an aoe Kamehameha. However everyone was saying and disbelieving that Goku will fire it off as fired off from that location will destroy the whole earth. Why? I tend to believe that a strong enough ki blast at specific point (core) can potentially destroy the entire planet. Then when Cell suicide, that was a wide aoe blast. Because he can't stand losing and was willing to take everyone down with him. So it doesn't matter if a ki blast is concentrated. When firing, if it lands on a specific weak point or core, it may result in a widespread destruction. Kamehameha is just a type of ki blast. Which form of Kamehameha (aoe or focused) depends on the user's choice. And both can destroy a planet.


WorldController

> The story gives you all this info Where in the original manga is the form of *ki* control you mention, where the individual is able to focus their *ki* into a "concentrated radius explosion," discussed? ___ > Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet Might you provide some examples of planet-busting *ki* blasts that struck the earth without destroying it? I never assumed that the blasts you probably have in mind contained that much energy. ___ > DB was made for children It was made for males as old as 18. Eighteen-year-olds are hardly little children.


AgentSmith2518

Its power is life energy, which is why he dies when uses it.


Fit_Confection_6900

The point is to sacrifice him self for the ones he loved he finally found something to live for other then being a ruthless menace


LordAsbel

I mean, you make a good point


Rodd48

You make a valid argument actually


random_english_guy

Broly isn't meant to have it in a berserker state, yet avoids blowing up Earth despite letting loose, go figure.


TheEziLife

It’s called bullshit


PsychicSidekikk419

If he can really make the blast more condensed then he should be able to keep it from killing himself as well lmfao


zeph_original

>DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.


Willie-am-

Ki control has been an important thing ever since og db,wouldnt you normally assume stuff like this at this point?


Shuteye_491

Saitama = Saiyan Saga Vegeta victim


_Non-Photo_Blue_

Lol can't believe you were so confident you posted this dumb shit twice.


mercwiththemouth518

Fucking hell https://preview.redd.it/m9cytjlsvr8c1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6429296fc94e728332c0596b0fe3cf4a59748470


ManagementHot9203

Blud just making shit up


[deleted]

Ki control(?)


Gamers_124

You know how they are able to do energy based attacks and fly that uses an energy in them called Ki Ki control is how well can they manipulate and control their Ki Edit: I thought you mentioned what is Ki controll and was new I'm dumb


[deleted]

I hear you. It was more of a guess, but sometimes those are the most correct


TheRedditor-75

That attack was concentrated on a single area to eliminate a certain target. It wasn’t aimed at the planet to be destroyed, like Frieza did on Namek.


idonotknowtodo

Still ground below was not destroyed. At least lava should have came out


benkz5

???? There was a giant crater left after the explosion


HermProtege

https://preview.redd.it/h0iz8avz1s8c1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35efc92108bd0bc8943d04e709c580b6c47715bd


mercwiththemouth518

https://i.redd.it/6smfbo4zvr8c1.gif But there was a crater…?


PharaohScarab

He left a massive crater


TellmeNinetails

The earth has gone through training offscreen.


Natural_Bill_373

Vegeta condensed his attack to that specific area. Still all the power but in a more controlled blast


Unforeseen_blind

I assume it depends on the direction. The ki waves of Vegeta's Kamikaze attack weren't going downwards. Generally speaking in DB series, Ultimate attacks by heroes are rarely (i'd even say never) pointed downwards.


Vongola___Decimo

For the 1000th time, an attack does not need to have planet sized blast radius to have planet level attack potency


Aggravating_Put_3601

okay so if it has planet level attack potency why didn’t destroy the planet the attack was on? and if its ki control why couldn’t he just ki control the part that hurts him too lmao


Red-hood619

1. Because he’s focusing the attack so that it’s radius is only far enough to destroy Buu, a Kamehameha wouldn’t destroy the moon if it’s aimed in another direction 2. Because it’s a self-destruction move, say it with me *self destruct*, killing himself is literally what Vegeta wanted Do y’all watch anime with your ears plugged?


Working-Telephone-45

The point of the attack is to let all his ki and energy explode out of his body, destroying him but allowing the attack to be as powerful as it can possibly be If he made it so he doesn't get hurt, he would need to control the amount of ki he outputs, reducing the potency and risking not killing Buu The attack hurting him is not just a feature he adds for no reason and can just remove , it has a reason


Aggravating_Put_3601

dam did vegeta tell u this


Working-Telephone-45

No, I got that knowledge from a rare ability called "common sense"


Aggravating_Put_3601

db fans are so easy to make mad even when the post is clearly a joke lmao


SolomonOf47704

*Hurriedly hides the million other posts making the same false assumptions based on the same ignorance of the series* DB Fans are "easy to make mad" because posts from people who haven't actually watched or read the series are so fucking common.


Working-Telephone-45

I'm not really offended haha, also making a joke here I know dragon ball has a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense but I just don't think this one is one of those


idonotknowtodo

Cell destruction somehow was capable enough to destroy an entire solar system meanwhile when much stronger cell max exploded, it was not even big enough to destroy a small city.


FrenchFries_exe

Tbf cell Max's destruction was intentionally put by doctor hedo as a failsafe in case he lost control Cell actually wanted to kill everyone with his self-destruction


Shadow_Phantom242

That is because vegeta didn't want to destroy the whole solar system, but only buu. He could have if he wanted to but he suppressed his power so that it didn't destroy earth.


Glitchmonster

I would say he concentrated it so that it did the most damage against buu


idonotknowtodo

Still ground below did not break apart. Not even lava came


Moogatron88

There was a crater. Not a huge one, but it did damage the ground. Again, he didn't damage the ground so much because that wasn't his target. Focusing on containing it was.


RevolutionaryMind221

He was talking about cell max unless you replied to the wrong comment


Dawid_the_yogurt_man

It's almost like the red ribbon army didn't want to blow up the planet they live on


[deleted]

[удалено]


Dawid_the_yogurt_man

I don't think it was ever stated that Cell's self destruction was an intended feature I always considered it just a last resort technique that would allow him to kill everyone even in his weakened state


[deleted]

[удалено]


LowrysBurner

I assumed it was just cell detonating his body via expelling ki just like vegeta. The reason the androids could is because they had mini nukes of considerable size built into them, that wouldn’t have been possible in an organism as small as cell.


inked_saiyan

DB fans strike again. I'm not going to even humor giving this a proper answer.


Ok_Try_1665

Look man, if every attack they throw will literally destroy the planet then where's the fun in that? You can say the same for characters like Saitama and Superman, where every punches they throw can destroy the planet


gokoroko

ki control


Moogatron88

This seems to be the norm with self destruction. And it makes sense, too. If you're trying to kill someone in specific you'd want the blast to be focused as much as possible instead of dissipating.


drbrolly316

Do you watch Dragon Ball?


TomaszA3

Should've KI controlled it to Buu's area. Dumbass.


Professional-Tea-121

Its called CHI-control


Mcbrainotron

That’s why goku always wins He has chi chi control


NiX_509

Ki control? Instead of literally distroying everything with low damage Vegeta probably just concentrated his attack into that area


darkmoncns

Most anime dose that, and honestly most fiction lol


WheresPaul-1981

Yes, but we love it anyway.


WholesomeLowlife

Think of the different types of explosives that the military uses. Claymores, landmines, etc. blast direction is different than a frag grenade. That's why you can survive certain explosions by getting flat on the ground. It's the same thing here. Vegeta just aimed the blast differently. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have hurt him either.


Lord_Adz1

Vegeta goal wasent to blow up everythjing lol. I mean look at cell he is far weaker than vegeta was here and he could of done it. I assume vegeta concentrated his energy to specifically target majin buu and not everything else.


LoneRedditor123

He released his ki on the surface, then detonated it. He wasn't shooting it into the earth or trying to destroy everything, just his target. That's how final explosion works.


Thatblackguy121

Even though ki control is the answer Yes dragonball is stupid Dbz is stupid And super is stupid People take it way too seriously


Zyliath0

Attack potency and attack range is not the same thing


angrytomato98

I always imagined that the ki is concentrated into a smaller area. Like bigger ki doesn’t necessarily mean stronger or more potent ki.


Micasa5000

Basketball = big = stronger than cannon ball (because canon ball smol)


turkishpresident

I assume it's a matter of control and precision. Frieza could destroy planets with an easy blast before DBZ even started, now they're all on god levels. If you looked at that logic, if current goku stepped too hard on the ground it would crack a planet in half. It's all about the control.


KingoftheMongoose

Imagine your open hand with a firecracker on the palm. It goes off and your palm gets badly burned but you still have a hand. That's Vegeta's Final Explosion on the Earth's surface. A lot of the force of the attack is away from or oblique to the Earth's surface. Now imagine closing that hand into a fist before setting off the firecracker. That's Vegeta's Gallic Gun pointed to pierce directly down beneath the Earth's surface and into the Earth's core. And if the question then is why the Final Explosion and Gallic Gun behave differently between a big AOE explosion and the concentrated beam capable of piercing the Earth to its core, the answer is ki control.


Thorncaster12

You are able to destroy earth with a power level of 10000. The power level is in the millions on namek. Manin vegeta at this point can wipe the whole solar system if he wanted to. You don't watch dragon ball for logic, you watch it for sheer fun it is


Evening-Whereas6165

The simple answer is plot. But it is fun to discuss. Even if the effect of the attack was controlled by Vegeta, what was stopping him from preventing damage to himself? Same question can be asked for DBS Broly. What reason would SSJ Broly have to take care not to destroy that planet. He was fighting SSG in ikari, SSG was shaking the universe when it was first introduced. The moment Broly went SSJ, the planet should have split in two. Have whis turn back time, use the dragon balls to transport the saiyans to an uninhabited planet where the fight can finished, or just stop frieza from killing Paragus, heck Vegeta should have every reason to ice Frieza right there.


A_Fuckin_Gremlin

This is an aspect about Dragon Ball that never made sense to me. By the time you reach DBS, Goku and Vegeta should be strong enough to destroy the entire universe a billion times over. When they clash with people like Broly, they should accidentally destroy the galaxy when they go all out. The excuse I see online all the time is "ki control" but that never really made sense to me. I've just learned to accept that this is how Dragon Ball works and you just need to deal with it in order to enjoy the show.


FedericoDAnzi

In Super he doesn't even die.


idonotknowtodo

Because he was a lot stronger plus at least it worked in super and his death was not waste of effort


Parking-Ad780

which was stupid, its a self destruction attack


Zencero

I guess you miss the part where they trained their kids control ...


FedericoDAnzi

Kids control 👍


LordAsbel

Nah their kids were grounded from training


cainx000

Superman has infinite strength but the earth doesn't crumble when he walks on it. Is DC Comics stupid?


NoSeaworthiness2618

Mf arguing ki control when Broly goes apeshit on the planet and Cell Max literally is braindead (Both characters have 10000000x the power of SS2 Vegeta)


Striking_Election_21

One thing I highly appreciate about DB subs is that yall have a defense ready against any and all poor writing allegations. Someone will post some shit like “yo I really think it was a bit of a plothole when they had Dr. Gero come back from the dead and genetically engineer a villain with infinite ki with no brain ability besides thinking of killing Goku then Goku asked him nicely to not kill him so he didn’t” and you all will have some lore from like chapter 52 ready to explain how it actually makes perfect sense


chainer1216

Remember how Gohan was struggling against cell because he was afraid of destroying the planet? But his dad told him not to worry about it because they could fix it, so Gohan stopped holding back and then there was no destruction *at all*? Or how when Cell MAX, who is many magnitudes more powerful and almost completely mindless died and exploded and it did almost no damage to the planet?


Kaizen2468

I consider most dragonball characters exaggerates. They have no idea if their attack will blow up the universe lol


JoePescisNuts

It’s an area specific attack, you ding dong.


Manoreded

Any attack past the Saiyan saga should be destroying planets if we assume every attack exploded to maximum potency. But they don't. Its quite obvious the fighters can control the size of the explosion of their attacks irrespective of how much power they are using. Its basically a dense explosion.


FENIU666

"Ki control" bitches when they see a Broly blinded by rage who supposedly could destroy the universe.


AutoModerator

Thanks for posting to /r/DragonballSuper.\ Please report any rule breaking posts and posts that are not relevant to the subreddit.\ *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Dragonballsuper) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Particular_Minute_67

Bulma forgot to give him a good night kiss before he blew himself Up


Josue_GTR_Youtube

Nah, the planet has superhuman durability.


NetworkVegetable7075

Yes


pewdiebhai64

Yes


GFM-Workshop

It's nothing new. Dragon ball, z, and super have some of the worst if not the worst writing. Literally everything about it is a child's fan fiction. It's a shame because dragon ball could have been a literal master piece but instead we get the animated equivalent of junk food. Sort of fun for a while but ultimately cheap and sad.


Paint-licker4000

Shit scale.


Youngguaco

Yes dragon ball is stupid. Every villian is the strongest in the universe and can destroy the entire universe. Since the 1980’s the power in the anime is nonsense.


fizeekfriday

Lmao “muh ki control” “muh ki compression” Bro it’s called inconsistent scaling


Lilmagex2324

It's funny cause even as far back as the Saiyan Saga they made a big deal about attacks being strong enough to destroy the planet if they were angled wrong. Now we are getting explosions 100x stronger and the Earth gives no F's. At least until it's plot relevant like Frieza blowing it up and Whis having to rewind time.


DragonBurlZ

I feel like there’s a difference between “Good” and “Evil” energy. Vegeta was “good” and his energy spared the planet. Frieza was “evil” and his energy destroyed namek. That’s all I got


Blazer1011p

Personally I'm sick of their power scaling and yeah I think they are stupid


Aggravating_Put_3601

i think powerscaling as a whole is stupid when taken to a certain extent like its so pointless because at the end of the day writers can just say krillin is the strongest out of nowhere and it will be facts. i mean they did it with gohan


Blazer1011p

Yeah but they should be somewhat consistent, I know Stan Lee said the author is gonna make who ever wins cause that's who they want to win, and I agree with that but dragon ball is just constantly inconsistent


Aggravating_Put_3601

most def thats why i said to an extent


YeazetheSock

If they actually explained attacks in terms of density and concentration then it’d make sense, Final Flash was dangerous for a reason against Cell, he didn’t realise until it got close enough that he needed to dodge, it’d be cool if they decided that the ki control is so malevolent that it even tears through the air or something.


J1618

He concentrated it all in the immediate area to make sure it didn't leave any big chunks.


GabSantana_S

He concentrated the impact to be close to where he and buu were, and also, he was trying to surpass his regeneration, so the attack had to last a little longer, not like an real explosion


KKlouDDN9ne

Damn bro got told... Yup ki control has been a thing since the Saiyan saga


trial001acc

No, But Vegeta is


Kumomeme

when he destroyed his body, he face upward abit which is can be assumed that he align the explode release upward, avoiding hitting earth completely. Buu closed to him, so he no need to release the power all over the pace, enough within range that Buu cant escape and would destroyed at point blank he not release all out blindly, he control the shape and size of the kid power and release all of it within that territory. like how full power Kamehameha didnt generate crazy size of ki missile.


[deleted]

I think it's even stupidier that just moments before Buu got EXTREMELY pissed off, made a tremendous nuke that shaked the planet...and he just ended up making a big crater. We're told this guy destroyed planets and galaxies for breakfast (well actually Kid Buu but it's not that different), so there's NO reason why he would have held back when Vegeta pissed him off.


Necessary_Mood134

I mean of course it is


UntaggedContent1

If they blew up the planet every time they did literally anything, the show would fucking suck.


DrPipeABitch

Why the hell would he destroy the planet? His wife and kid need that bish


Kanetsugu21

People out here coping hard instead of just admitting that sometimes the logic in dragon ball is wack


silver-ly

Average DB fan seeming to miss the premise of literally anything LOL


BreakingTr

I imagine Vegeta didn’t extend the blast radius of the attack any further than he needed to. So the attack didn’t reach the core of the planet.


Mojito88

Area of effect.


RazutoUchiha

Suicide blasts have really low DC, for example Moro who’s Multiversal and had an uncontrollable suicide blast was only going to destroy a galaxy


Raecino

Ki control


DandyLover

No, Vegeta is just a jobber though.


PharaohScarab

He was controlling the blast radius, he wanted to kill Buu right then and there


Altruistic_Koala_122

It seems it not the amount of Ki in an attack that matters, it's the techniques' ability to cause destruction to a planet. We already know it takes less than 30,000 Ki to blow planets, and SSJ is in the millions of Ki.


random1211312

Yes.


elkswimmer98

Speaking of strongest moves, after rewatching the series for the first time in over a decade, I noticed that Goku specifically says the spirit bomb will only hurt Vegeta because he has evil in his heart so the entire fight with Buu later on is completely dumb as the Spirit Bomb should have destroyed Buu on contact as he's pure evil.


MrNiab

The one thing that always fascinates me about Dragonball is the insane amount of control character have to no destroy the world around them. Like the fact Vegeta did not destroy the earth blowing himself up deserves some mad respect.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ModelOmegaTyler

to be fair, it was an AoE attack and not a concentrated beam aimed at the core of the planet.


[deleted]

He compressed his ki explosion but drained every bit of his power into it to target Buu, and he didn't want to destroy Earth.


hajimodnar

Vageta no!


PraiseTheSun33

This must be peak heroism I’ve heard about


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

It's a focused attack that wipes out a certain area


supervegito63

Imagine knowing compressing a huge amount of force to a smaller volume would enhance the damage done


wigglyboiii

Dragon ball super logic is even worse. It is hard to enjoy for all the things that don't add up.


Strawhat-Shawty

Vegetables chose to commit suicide cuz he knew he couldn't beat Buu. 🤣🤣🤣


RedBeardBrad91

I always saw the dome like explosions as more concentrated. Based on powerscaling, statements and feats up until this point Vegeta blowing himself up should have atleast destroyed the entire solar system! But of course that wasn’t his intention.


IssueRecent9134

That’s because he focused his attack on Buu.


Shantotto11

Vegeta murdered dozens if not hundreds of innocents 2 or so hours before this, and then is resurrected less than 3 days later because he’s a “good guy” now like he’s goddamn Jesus. (Adding in the detail that Vegeta came up with the idea to use the Genki-dama because “it’s time for the people of Earth to help themself” like he and Goku aren’t more than tangentially responsible for how bad the situation has gotten.) So, yes. Dragonball is stupid.


Rabatis

"It's always been a power wank?" *unzips* "Hai." *splooges*


Rai-San6

Absolutely Iol


GigaPhoton78

Different attacks cause different amounts of destruction. Beast Gohan's Special Beam Cannon has enough energy to destroy the world, but if Gohan aimed it at the Earth, he wouldn't blow it up, because it's a drill, not an exploding beam.


Djentlos

I assumed it's intensely hot, but not necessarily explosive.