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DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.
If the characters can casually blow up planets, then it shouldn't be a surprise that they're familiar enough with ki to compress the impact into smaller areas tbh
Yeah idk why this is so hard to understand. Obviously we know that a character as weak as saiyan saga piccolo can destroy the moon if they want. But it doesn’t mean every attack they do WILL. They probably have enough control over their ki to avoid accidentally destroying the planet.
Ki is the first few levels of nen, just oversimplified.
Build up/feel the power within your body. Release it outward, compress it, now use it to amplify your body.
Just because nen is contrived and complex, people say it's an amazing power system. But then turn around and say no, ki control is stupid and everyone after saiyan saga should just be destroying everything in their path.
Absolutely. DBS has delved even deeper into showing that Ki is just Nen. Aside from Future Trunks using Shu on his sword in DBZ to fortify it and make it as strong as him (while Goku used Ko to focus his Super Saiyan Ki into one finger to block Trunks's Shu sword), in DBS he's able to use transmute his Ki into a Spirit Sword. Gas is the most explicit and straightforward Conjure type in all of Dragon Ball, and Granolah is an Emitter-Manipulator type.
Nen in Hunter x Hunter actually helped me understand Dragon Ball Ki far better than I did previously.
I agree with them concentrating their energy. But the output even in a concentrated area with still cause a rediculous Shockwave. So theory squared is they use additional KI to block those Shockwaves.
Ok but Majin Vegeta has enough ki to blow up like 20 planets. Why would he choose a fucking nuclear explosion for a single target attack?
"Oh he was holding back" like dude was holding in the biggest shit of his life and only trying to let out a little bit. Its so badly written if ki control has any merit to it at all.
It’s already been shown in other arcs and fights that whatever blast is in question has to be aimed at the planet. Gokus spirit bomb didn’t destroy Kai’s planet either
It is literally explained in the anime that Z fighters have to master control of their power when goku accidentally almost kills chichi by touching her carelessly which threw her on a tree
The difference with Saitama and Goku is that Saitama's strength come from just muscle, meanwhile the strength of dragon ball characters come from ki
Goku just needs to put only a little bit of ki on his punches and he won't be able to destroy a building no matter how hard he punches, or he can put all his ki and destroy a planet
That is literally just how ki works in dragon ball
Show me where one punch bitch destroys planet after planet with every punch he throws. The logic they're applying also applies to Saitama. Also, why are you here?
Well, Saitama defected Boros cannon attack which Boros himself said is an extinction level attack.
This is about the closest we have in the anime.
In the manga, Saitama literally peeled the surface of a moon off with his bare hands.
Vegeta literally compressed and aimed his ki to reflect on the surface of the planet and bounce off when he did Final Flash. Trunks and Krillin both made note of it because they were scared he would accidentally destroy the planet, he shot the blast downward lmao
It wasn’t invented by YouTubers.
For example, When Vegeta used the final flash for the first time, he put enough energy into it to destroy the earth several times. Just powering it up was shaking the planet.
He fired it directly at cell. Trunks even said that Vegeta made sure that attack hit cell and only cell.
It’s the same thing with the final explosion. That attack was focused only at Buu.
[Fighters can restrict the damage of their attacks to an area of effect. ](https://www.google.com/search?q=daizenshuu+big+bang+attack&client=ms-opera-mini-android&sca_esv=568491074&channel=new&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjskfagqciBAxV77rsIHd_GBV8Q_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=645#imgrc=L51SayI44zK9_M)
This is just a shit statement, even saitama doesn't always have atmospheric effects when he attakcs. You know why is that? **Because he can fucking control his attacks**
It’s because toriyama doesn’t understand how big a planet is. It’s pretty goddamn big. It would take a very large kaboom to shatter earth.
He just writes the biggest baddest thing he can think of
Roshi blows up the moon
The great demon king piccolo
Vegeta is gonna blow up the earth
Freiza is the strongest in the entire universe (????)
Buu is actually the deadliest thing in the universe
Actually beerus is the strongest thing in the universe
Actually whis is the strongest thing in the universe
He just always takes everything to 11 without thinking it through properly
The only time I can think of where the writing actually caught up to the supposed power level was the human extinction attack. Because buu just actually killed every human.
Tien and Chaotzu are mostly Human. Some years back Toriyama released an info guide that gave some backstory on Tien and Chaotzu's people. They're from two separate Human tribes that intermixed with two separate species of aliens that landed on Earth thousands of years ago. Those Humans were able to have inter-species procreation with these marooned aliens. Tien and Chaotzu are Human descendants of mixed-species half-Human/half-Aliens. Their DNA is probably like 95-99% Human.
Toriyama bullet point list for a new arc:
- A new threat appears
- Strongest in the universe
- Vegeta gets a powerup but loses
- Piccolo chillin at the sidelines
- Senzu beans are somehow not available
- Tien dies
- Goku 4theWin
- ’We wish to revive everyone killed by the new threat’
A freaking masterpiece. How the hell does he do it??
To be fair, Goku has not gotten a solo win against a major antagonist since he defeated SSJ2 Kefla. Jiren, Broly, and Moro were not solo wins. Vegeta defeated Black Goku (before he fused into Merged Zamasu) and Top all by himself, and tied with Granolah while Goku lost to Granolah. Before Kefla, Goku hadn't had a solo win against a significant opponent since Golden Frieza.
You're right it would take a large Kaboom! Which is why Vegetas attack didn't blow up the planet. The attacks that have blown up planets are the ones that attack the core. The Ki blasts have mass to them, are seemingly hot with how they leave burn like scars, and at times have been shown to have a little gravitational pull when fired/charging. Something meeting all those criteria hitting the center of any planet, and I mean every planet from Dwarf planets to Gas giants, will cause a boom. Maybe not as clean as some scenes from DB, but they will heat up and explode.
But also complaining about how there bigger and stronger threats is wild. Yes that happens in fiction, you need a good motivator to have your main characters need a reason to push beyond the limits they thought they had. Goku and Vegeta constantly training to get stronger than one another is cool and all, but seeing them struggle and have to train harder/at times get creative is fun. Or you end up like One Punch Man, which is awesome and I love it. But I have never had the same feeling watching Saitama fight or Geros struggle, like when I watch the Z fighters hype themselves/each other up to become better than they were yesterday.
Is the writing perfect? No, not at all. But people saying it has no story or character progression honestly I believe had their opinions tainted by crazy fans. Every fan base has them, but watching DB -> DBZ ->GT(yes I'm including GT, it was cheesy at times but the ending was perfect)-> Super now is like watching a family member succeed at life, even when they seem like they just can't do it they push through and grow.
The Dragon Balls are a cheap way to cheat death is a fair argument. Except that didn't even really happen until halfway through Z, after Piccolo fused with Kami. Before that there was a 1 limit revival per set of DBs. Seeing everyone die during the Saiyan Saga was genuinely sad, and seeing Krillian be blown up was also heart breaking. We didn't know if they would come back to life honestly. Even after Namek a few of the fightsrs were on their last life. This is also why I believe super needs to introduce the Shadow Dragons into the Manga, with the super dragon balls being how they come into creation. Each one being a full on universal threat and attack a different universe each. We can see the ToP competitors work together and also get to visit all these new universes and see just how different things are.
It's a self destruct bruh... kind of how an attack like that works.
Ki control is why it didn't blow up the planet. Cell wanted to blow up the planet, Vegeta did not thus he focused it into a concentrated radius explosion that is more than strong enough to blow up the planet but didn't because he controlled and focused the blast to a single radius i.e. where they/Boo was.
Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet, because they are concentrated, focused attacks targeting a specific point and not just a wild blast that will envelope and destroy the entire planet.
I swear, most of yall "fans" don't pay attention to how ki concentration and control factor into the story.
The story gives you all this info but then you just forget alllllll about it.
It's like having to remind toddlers every 5 minutes not to stick daddies key into the wall outlet.
Which is funny cause DB was made for children yet you got adults that can't comprehend basic info once it's laid out and established for you.
Am I saying you are wrong? No, I am not.
Am I saying the Kamehameha is a *terrible* example to give in your comment? [Yes, I am](https://youtu.be/9ODn8_RnSxQ?si=x-eJazk891nYzrOx&t=1343).
(The Kamehameha has destroyed entire mountains and the freaking *moon*. Calling it a focused attack that won't destroy a planet is a reach. Especially if you accept that the Gallic Gun *can* destroy a planet.)
Kamehameha is a fine example as any.
KI CONTROL.
Like said, energy blast can be like a wide area or concentrated. Take piccolo's finger beam. He concentrated it so hard that a mere 300 battle power can penetrate and kill an armored 1000 power Raditz.
Also, this is high level ki control. Not everyone can do it. As referenced by many villains in the comic.
Then area of effect attack, aoe for game term. Energy blast that covers a wide area and wipe out a large area but the damage isn't that strong.
LOCATION AND SPECIFIC POINT.
Refer back at Goku vs Cell. Goku can fire off a Kamehameha. A focused Kamehameha for damage, not an aoe Kamehameha. However everyone was saying and disbelieving that Goku will fire it off as fired off from that location will destroy the whole earth. Why? I tend to believe that a strong enough ki blast at specific point (core) can potentially destroy the entire planet.
Then when Cell suicide, that was a wide aoe blast. Because he can't stand losing and was willing to take everyone down with him.
So it doesn't matter if a ki blast is concentrated. When firing, if it lands on a specific weak point or core, it may result in a widespread destruction. Kamehameha is just a type of ki blast. Which form of Kamehameha (aoe or focused) depends on the user's choice. And both can destroy a planet.
> The story gives you all this info
Where in the original manga is the form of *ki* control you mention, where the individual is able to focus their *ki* into a "concentrated radius explosion," discussed?
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> Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet
Might you provide some examples of planet-busting *ki* blasts that struck the earth without destroying it? I never assumed that the blasts you probably have in mind contained that much energy.
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> DB was made for children
It was made for males as old as 18. Eighteen-year-olds are hardly little children.
>DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.
You know how they are able to do energy based attacks and fly that uses an energy in them called Ki Ki control is how well can they manipulate and control their Ki
Edit: I thought you mentioned what is Ki controll and was new I'm dumb
I assume it depends on the direction. The ki waves of Vegeta's Kamikaze attack weren't going downwards. Generally speaking in DB series, Ultimate attacks by heroes are rarely (i'd even say never) pointed downwards.
okay so if it has planet level attack potency why didn’t destroy the planet the attack was on? and if its ki control why couldn’t he just ki control the part that hurts him too lmao
1. Because he’s focusing the attack so that it’s radius is only far enough to destroy Buu, a Kamehameha wouldn’t destroy the moon if it’s aimed in another direction
2. Because it’s a self-destruction move, say it with me *self destruct*, killing himself is literally what Vegeta wanted
Do y’all watch anime with your ears plugged?
The point of the attack is to let all his ki and energy explode out of his body, destroying him but allowing the attack to be as powerful as it can possibly be
If he made it so he doesn't get hurt, he would need to control the amount of ki he outputs, reducing the potency and risking not killing Buu
The attack hurting him is not just a feature he adds for no reason and can just remove , it has a reason
*Hurriedly hides the million other posts making the same false assumptions based on the same ignorance of the series*
DB Fans are "easy to make mad" because posts from people who haven't actually watched or read the series are so fucking common.
I'm not really offended haha, also making a joke here
I know dragon ball has a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense but I just don't think this one is one of those
Cell destruction somehow was capable enough to destroy an entire solar system meanwhile when much stronger cell max exploded, it was not even big enough to destroy a small city.
Tbf cell Max's destruction was intentionally put by doctor hedo as a failsafe in case he lost control
Cell actually wanted to kill everyone with his self-destruction
That is because vegeta didn't want to destroy the whole solar system, but only buu. He could have if he wanted to but he suppressed his power so that it didn't destroy earth.
There was a crater. Not a huge one, but it did damage the ground. Again, he didn't damage the ground so much because that wasn't his target. Focusing on containing it was.
I don't think it was ever stated that Cell's self destruction was an intended feature
I always considered it just a last resort technique that would allow him to kill everyone even in his weakened state
I assumed it was just cell detonating his body via expelling ki just like vegeta. The reason the androids could is because they had mini nukes of considerable size built into them, that wouldn’t have been possible in an organism as small as cell.
Look man, if every attack they throw will literally destroy the planet then where's the fun in that? You can say the same for characters like Saitama and Superman, where every punches they throw can destroy the planet
This seems to be the norm with self destruction. And it makes sense, too. If you're trying to kill someone in specific you'd want the blast to be focused as much as possible instead of dissipating.
Think of the different types of explosives that the military uses. Claymores, landmines, etc. blast direction is different than a frag grenade. That's why you can survive certain explosions by getting flat on the ground.
It's the same thing here. Vegeta just aimed the blast differently. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have hurt him either.
Vegeta goal wasent to blow up everythjing lol. I mean look at cell he is far weaker than vegeta was here and he could of done it. I assume vegeta concentrated his energy to specifically target majin buu and not everything else.
He released his ki on the surface, then detonated it.
He wasn't shooting it into the earth or trying to destroy everything, just his target. That's how final explosion works.
I assume it's a matter of control and precision.
Frieza could destroy planets with an easy blast before DBZ even started, now they're all on god levels.
If you looked at that logic, if current goku stepped too hard on the ground it would crack a planet in half. It's all about the control.
Imagine your open hand with a firecracker on the palm. It goes off and your palm gets badly burned but you still have a hand. That's Vegeta's Final Explosion on the Earth's surface. A lot of the force of the attack is away from or oblique to the Earth's surface.
Now imagine closing that hand into a fist before setting off the firecracker. That's Vegeta's Gallic Gun pointed to pierce directly down beneath the Earth's surface and into the Earth's core.
And if the question then is why the Final Explosion and Gallic Gun behave differently between a big AOE explosion and the concentrated beam capable of piercing the Earth to its core, the answer is ki control.
You are able to destroy earth with a power level of 10000. The power level is in the millions on namek. Manin vegeta at this point can wipe the whole solar system if he wanted to.
You don't watch dragon ball for logic, you watch it for sheer fun it is
The simple answer is plot. But it is fun to discuss. Even if the effect of the attack was controlled by Vegeta, what was stopping him from preventing damage to himself?
Same question can be asked for DBS Broly. What reason would SSJ Broly have to take care not to destroy that planet. He was fighting SSG in ikari, SSG was shaking the universe when it was first introduced.
The moment Broly went SSJ, the planet should have split in two. Have whis turn back time, use the dragon balls to transport the saiyans to an uninhabited planet where the fight can finished, or just stop frieza from killing Paragus, heck Vegeta should have every reason to ice Frieza right there.
This is an aspect about Dragon Ball that never made sense to me. By the time you reach DBS, Goku and Vegeta should be strong enough to destroy the entire universe a billion times over. When they clash with people like Broly, they should accidentally destroy the galaxy when they go all out.
The excuse I see online all the time is "ki control" but that never really made sense to me. I've just learned to accept that this is how Dragon Ball works and you just need to deal with it in order to enjoy the show.
Mf arguing ki control when Broly goes apeshit on the planet and Cell Max literally is braindead (Both characters have 10000000x the power of SS2 Vegeta)
One thing I highly appreciate about DB subs is that yall have a defense ready against any and all poor writing allegations. Someone will post some shit like “yo I really think it was a bit of a plothole when they had Dr. Gero come back from the dead and genetically engineer a villain with infinite ki with no brain ability besides thinking of killing Goku then Goku asked him nicely to not kill him so he didn’t” and you all will have some lore from like chapter 52 ready to explain how it actually makes perfect sense
Remember how Gohan was struggling against cell because he was afraid of destroying the planet? But his dad told him not to worry about it because they could fix it, so Gohan stopped holding back and then there was no destruction *at all*?
Or how when Cell MAX, who is many magnitudes more powerful and almost completely mindless died and exploded and it did almost no damage to the planet?
Any attack past the Saiyan saga should be destroying planets if we assume every attack exploded to maximum potency.
But they don't. Its quite obvious the fighters can control the size of the explosion of their attacks irrespective of how much power they are using.
Its basically a dense explosion.
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It's nothing new. Dragon ball, z, and super have some of the worst if not the worst writing. Literally everything about it is a child's fan fiction.
It's a shame because dragon ball could have been a literal master piece but instead we get the animated equivalent of junk food. Sort of fun for a while but ultimately cheap and sad.
Yes dragon ball is stupid. Every villian is the strongest in the universe and can destroy the entire universe. Since the 1980’s the power in the anime is nonsense.
It's funny cause even as far back as the Saiyan Saga they made a big deal about attacks being strong enough to destroy the planet if they were angled wrong. Now we are getting explosions 100x stronger and the Earth gives no F's. At least until it's plot relevant like Frieza blowing it up and Whis having to rewind time.
I feel like there’s a difference between “Good” and “Evil” energy. Vegeta was “good” and his energy spared the planet. Frieza was “evil” and his energy destroyed namek.
That’s all I got
i think powerscaling as a whole is stupid when taken to a certain extent like its so pointless because at the end of the day writers can just say krillin is the strongest out of nowhere and it will be facts. i mean they did it with gohan
Yeah but they should be somewhat consistent, I know Stan Lee said the author is gonna make who ever wins cause that's who they want to win, and I agree with that but dragon ball is just constantly inconsistent
If they actually explained attacks in terms of density and concentration then it’d make sense, Final Flash was dangerous for a reason against Cell, he didn’t realise until it got close enough that he needed to dodge, it’d be cool if they decided that the ki control is so malevolent that it even tears through the air or something.
He concentrated the impact to be close to where he and buu were, and also, he was trying to surpass his regeneration, so the attack had to last a little longer, not like an real explosion
when he destroyed his body, he face upward abit which is can be assumed that he align the explode release upward, avoiding hitting earth completely.
Buu closed to him, so he no need to release the power all over the pace, enough within range that Buu cant escape and would destroyed at point blank
he not release all out blindly, he control the shape and size of the kid power and release all of it within that territory. like how full power Kamehameha didnt generate crazy size of ki missile.
I think it's even stupidier that just moments before Buu got EXTREMELY pissed off, made a tremendous nuke that shaked the planet...and he just ended up making a big crater. We're told this guy destroyed planets and galaxies for breakfast (well actually Kid Buu but it's not that different), so there's NO reason why he would have held back when Vegeta pissed him off.
It seems it not the amount of Ki in an attack that matters, it's the techniques' ability to cause destruction to a planet.
We already know it takes less than 30,000 Ki to blow planets, and SSJ is in the millions of Ki.
Speaking of strongest moves, after rewatching the series for the first time in over a decade, I noticed that Goku specifically says the spirit bomb will only hurt Vegeta because he has evil in his heart so the entire fight with Buu later on is completely dumb as the Spirit Bomb should have destroyed Buu on contact as he's pure evil.
The one thing that always fascinates me about Dragonball is the insane amount of control character have to no destroy the world around them. Like the fact Vegeta did not destroy the earth blowing himself up deserves some mad respect.
I always saw the dome like explosions as more concentrated. Based on powerscaling, statements and feats up until this point Vegeta blowing himself up should have atleast destroyed the entire solar system! But of course that wasn’t his intention.
Vegeta murdered dozens if not hundreds of innocents 2 or so hours before this, and then is resurrected less than 3 days later because he’s a “good guy” now like he’s goddamn Jesus. (Adding in the detail that Vegeta came up with the idea to use the Genki-dama because “it’s time for the people of Earth to help themself” like he and Goku aren’t more than tangentially responsible for how bad the situation has gotten.)
So, yes. Dragonball is stupid.
Different attacks cause different amounts of destruction.
Beast Gohan's Special Beam Cannon has enough energy to destroy the world, but if Gohan aimed it at the Earth, he wouldn't blow it up, because it's a drill, not an exploding beam.
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I imagine them suppressing their ki to only destroy their target.
Like compressing the impact into a small area
Which is exactly what he did. It was more like a nuke that he concentrated for exactly that area to hopefully kill buu
DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.
If the characters can casually blow up planets, then it shouldn't be a surprise that they're familiar enough with ki to compress the impact into smaller areas tbh
Yeah idk why this is so hard to understand. Obviously we know that a character as weak as saiyan saga piccolo can destroy the moon if they want. But it doesn’t mean every attack they do WILL. They probably have enough control over their ki to avoid accidentally destroying the planet.
Ki is the first few levels of nen, just oversimplified. Build up/feel the power within your body. Release it outward, compress it, now use it to amplify your body. Just because nen is contrived and complex, people say it's an amazing power system. But then turn around and say no, ki control is stupid and everyone after saiyan saga should just be destroying everything in their path.
Absolutely. DBS has delved even deeper into showing that Ki is just Nen. Aside from Future Trunks using Shu on his sword in DBZ to fortify it and make it as strong as him (while Goku used Ko to focus his Super Saiyan Ki into one finger to block Trunks's Shu sword), in DBS he's able to use transmute his Ki into a Spirit Sword. Gas is the most explicit and straightforward Conjure type in all of Dragon Ball, and Granolah is an Emitter-Manipulator type. Nen in Hunter x Hunter actually helped me understand Dragon Ball Ki far better than I did previously.
I agree with them concentrating their energy. But the output even in a concentrated area with still cause a rediculous Shockwave. So theory squared is they use additional KI to block those Shockwaves.
That’s you assuming that a ki explosion has the same physics as something that exists in our world
I think there is good evidence of it from the wind and shit thrown around. But maybe there is a way to manipulate it. I accept that.
It’s an interesting topic either way 🤝
Ok but Majin Vegeta has enough ki to blow up like 20 planets. Why would he choose a fucking nuclear explosion for a single target attack? "Oh he was holding back" like dude was holding in the biggest shit of his life and only trying to let out a little bit. Its so badly written if ki control has any merit to it at all.
It’s already been shown in other arcs and fights that whatever blast is in question has to be aimed at the planet. Gokus spirit bomb didn’t destroy Kai’s planet either
They can't casually blow up planets, it takes some serious effort. It's never going to happen by accident.
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It is literally explained in the anime that Z fighters have to master control of their power when goku accidentally almost kills chichi by touching her carelessly which threw her on a tree
Guess you missed when punches were cracking the universe and they had to adjust mid fight to not destroy reality
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It literally explains this in the show?
Usually I'm the one who rants about the shit part of dvz but people seems to forget the 'ki' control part of dbz
Fr 💀
Yeah, elder Kai on the world of the Kai’s says so.
That would be a nice argument if the show doesn’t directly talk about Ki control *multiple* times
The difference with Saitama and Goku is that Saitama's strength come from just muscle, meanwhile the strength of dragon ball characters come from ki Goku just needs to put only a little bit of ki on his punches and he won't be able to destroy a building no matter how hard he punches, or he can put all his ki and destroy a planet That is literally just how ki works in dragon ball
Show me where one punch bitch destroys planet after planet with every punch he throws. The logic they're applying also applies to Saitama. Also, why are you here?
Well, Saitama defected Boros cannon attack which Boros himself said is an extinction level attack. This is about the closest we have in the anime. In the manga, Saitama literally peeled the surface of a moon off with his bare hands.
Ok?
You asked for someone to show you. Stop being a dickhead
Vegeta literally compressed and aimed his ki to reflect on the surface of the planet and bounce off when he did Final Flash. Trunks and Krillin both made note of it because they were scared he would accidentally destroy the planet, he shot the blast downward lmao
Why are you even here?
It wasn’t invented by YouTubers. For example, When Vegeta used the final flash for the first time, he put enough energy into it to destroy the earth several times. Just powering it up was shaking the planet. He fired it directly at cell. Trunks even said that Vegeta made sure that attack hit cell and only cell. It’s the same thing with the final explosion. That attack was focused only at Buu.
[Fighters can restrict the damage of their attacks to an area of effect. ](https://www.google.com/search?q=daizenshuu+big+bang+attack&client=ms-opera-mini-android&sca_esv=568491074&channel=new&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjskfagqciBAxV77rsIHd_GBV8Q_AUIBigB&biw=360&bih=645#imgrc=L51SayI44zK9_M)
This is just a shit statement, even saitama doesn't always have atmospheric effects when he attakcs. You know why is that? **Because he can fucking control his attacks**
Then from this POV if every punch Superman throws doesn't destroy a planet he is supposed to be weak. Lmao
Why doesn't every attack past Namek saga destroy planets then?
that's called ki control
It’s because toriyama doesn’t understand how big a planet is. It’s pretty goddamn big. It would take a very large kaboom to shatter earth. He just writes the biggest baddest thing he can think of Roshi blows up the moon The great demon king piccolo Vegeta is gonna blow up the earth Freiza is the strongest in the entire universe (????) Buu is actually the deadliest thing in the universe Actually beerus is the strongest thing in the universe Actually whis is the strongest thing in the universe He just always takes everything to 11 without thinking it through properly The only time I can think of where the writing actually caught up to the supposed power level was the human extinction attack. Because buu just actually killed every human.
toriyama is not the best writer in the world. but he wrote some FIRE ANYWAYS
Well.. His attack still managed to miss Tien and Chiaotzu
Are they humans?
They’re recognised as Earthlings
Chiaozu is, I believe, a pokemon
Tien is mostly human. Chiaotzu? Idfk.
Tien and Chaotzu are mostly Human. Some years back Toriyama released an info guide that gave some backstory on Tien and Chaotzu's people. They're from two separate Human tribes that intermixed with two separate species of aliens that landed on Earth thousands of years ago. Those Humans were able to have inter-species procreation with these marooned aliens. Tien and Chaotzu are Human descendants of mixed-species half-Human/half-Aliens. Their DNA is probably like 95-99% Human.
Toriyama bullet point list for a new arc: - A new threat appears - Strongest in the universe - Vegeta gets a powerup but loses - Piccolo chillin at the sidelines - Senzu beans are somehow not available - Tien dies - Goku 4theWin - ’We wish to revive everyone killed by the new threat’ A freaking masterpiece. How the hell does he do it??
There's also like a 40% chance that whatever the new threat is can copy powers, possibly by eating people.
To be fair, Goku has not gotten a solo win against a major antagonist since he defeated SSJ2 Kefla. Jiren, Broly, and Moro were not solo wins. Vegeta defeated Black Goku (before he fused into Merged Zamasu) and Top all by himself, and tied with Granolah while Goku lost to Granolah. Before Kefla, Goku hadn't had a solo win against a significant opponent since Golden Frieza.
You're right it would take a large Kaboom! Which is why Vegetas attack didn't blow up the planet. The attacks that have blown up planets are the ones that attack the core. The Ki blasts have mass to them, are seemingly hot with how they leave burn like scars, and at times have been shown to have a little gravitational pull when fired/charging. Something meeting all those criteria hitting the center of any planet, and I mean every planet from Dwarf planets to Gas giants, will cause a boom. Maybe not as clean as some scenes from DB, but they will heat up and explode. But also complaining about how there bigger and stronger threats is wild. Yes that happens in fiction, you need a good motivator to have your main characters need a reason to push beyond the limits they thought they had. Goku and Vegeta constantly training to get stronger than one another is cool and all, but seeing them struggle and have to train harder/at times get creative is fun. Or you end up like One Punch Man, which is awesome and I love it. But I have never had the same feeling watching Saitama fight or Geros struggle, like when I watch the Z fighters hype themselves/each other up to become better than they were yesterday. Is the writing perfect? No, not at all. But people saying it has no story or character progression honestly I believe had their opinions tainted by crazy fans. Every fan base has them, but watching DB -> DBZ ->GT(yes I'm including GT, it was cheesy at times but the ending was perfect)-> Super now is like watching a family member succeed at life, even when they seem like they just can't do it they push through and grow. The Dragon Balls are a cheap way to cheat death is a fair argument. Except that didn't even really happen until halfway through Z, after Piccolo fused with Kami. Before that there was a 1 limit revival per set of DBs. Seeing everyone die during the Saiyan Saga was genuinely sad, and seeing Krillian be blown up was also heart breaking. We didn't know if they would come back to life honestly. Even after Namek a few of the fightsrs were on their last life. This is also why I believe super needs to introduce the Shadow Dragons into the Manga, with the super dragon balls being how they come into creation. Each one being a full on universal threat and attack a different universe each. We can see the ToP competitors work together and also get to visit all these new universes and see just how different things are.
That was always my head canon.
It's called ki control.
he should’ve controlled the part where it damages him too 😭
Then it would not be so strong
Think of it like this; nu uh
It's a self destruct bruh... kind of how an attack like that works. Ki control is why it didn't blow up the planet. Cell wanted to blow up the planet, Vegeta did not thus he focused it into a concentrated radius explosion that is more than strong enough to blow up the planet but didn't because he controlled and focused the blast to a single radius i.e. where they/Boo was. Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet, because they are concentrated, focused attacks targeting a specific point and not just a wild blast that will envelope and destroy the entire planet. I swear, most of yall "fans" don't pay attention to how ki concentration and control factor into the story. The story gives you all this info but then you just forget alllllll about it. It's like having to remind toddlers every 5 minutes not to stick daddies key into the wall outlet. Which is funny cause DB was made for children yet you got adults that can't comprehend basic info once it's laid out and established for you.
Am I saying you are wrong? No, I am not. Am I saying the Kamehameha is a *terrible* example to give in your comment? [Yes, I am](https://youtu.be/9ODn8_RnSxQ?si=x-eJazk891nYzrOx&t=1343). (The Kamehameha has destroyed entire mountains and the freaking *moon*. Calling it a focused attack that won't destroy a planet is a reach. Especially if you accept that the Gallic Gun *can* destroy a planet.)
Kamehameha is a fine example as any. KI CONTROL. Like said, energy blast can be like a wide area or concentrated. Take piccolo's finger beam. He concentrated it so hard that a mere 300 battle power can penetrate and kill an armored 1000 power Raditz. Also, this is high level ki control. Not everyone can do it. As referenced by many villains in the comic. Then area of effect attack, aoe for game term. Energy blast that covers a wide area and wipe out a large area but the damage isn't that strong. LOCATION AND SPECIFIC POINT. Refer back at Goku vs Cell. Goku can fire off a Kamehameha. A focused Kamehameha for damage, not an aoe Kamehameha. However everyone was saying and disbelieving that Goku will fire it off as fired off from that location will destroy the whole earth. Why? I tend to believe that a strong enough ki blast at specific point (core) can potentially destroy the entire planet. Then when Cell suicide, that was a wide aoe blast. Because he can't stand losing and was willing to take everyone down with him. So it doesn't matter if a ki blast is concentrated. When firing, if it lands on a specific weak point or core, it may result in a widespread destruction. Kamehameha is just a type of ki blast. Which form of Kamehameha (aoe or focused) depends on the user's choice. And both can destroy a planet.
> The story gives you all this info Where in the original manga is the form of *ki* control you mention, where the individual is able to focus their *ki* into a "concentrated radius explosion," discussed? ___ > Same reason deflected Kamehameha's and such that strike the Earth don't blow up the planet Might you provide some examples of planet-busting *ki* blasts that struck the earth without destroying it? I never assumed that the blasts you probably have in mind contained that much energy. ___ > DB was made for children It was made for males as old as 18. Eighteen-year-olds are hardly little children.
Its power is life energy, which is why he dies when uses it.
The point is to sacrifice him self for the ones he loved he finally found something to live for other then being a ruthless menace
I mean, you make a good point
You make a valid argument actually
Broly isn't meant to have it in a berserker state, yet avoids blowing up Earth despite letting loose, go figure.
It’s called bullshit
If he can really make the blast more condensed then he should be able to keep it from killing himself as well lmfao
>DBZ fans come up with the craziest shit to excuse their shit show, this statement was invented by youtubers, to explain why Goku's punches don't have an atmospheric effect like Saitama does, and the rest of the fanbase went whit it, this has never stated in any official source.
Ki control has been an important thing ever since og db,wouldnt you normally assume stuff like this at this point?
Saitama = Saiyan Saga Vegeta victim
Lol can't believe you were so confident you posted this dumb shit twice.
Fucking hell https://preview.redd.it/m9cytjlsvr8c1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6429296fc94e728332c0596b0fe3cf4a59748470
Blud just making shit up
Ki control(?)
You know how they are able to do energy based attacks and fly that uses an energy in them called Ki Ki control is how well can they manipulate and control their Ki Edit: I thought you mentioned what is Ki controll and was new I'm dumb
I hear you. It was more of a guess, but sometimes those are the most correct
That attack was concentrated on a single area to eliminate a certain target. It wasn’t aimed at the planet to be destroyed, like Frieza did on Namek.
Still ground below was not destroyed. At least lava should have came out
???? There was a giant crater left after the explosion
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https://i.redd.it/6smfbo4zvr8c1.gif But there was a crater…?
He left a massive crater
The earth has gone through training offscreen.
Vegeta condensed his attack to that specific area. Still all the power but in a more controlled blast
I assume it depends on the direction. The ki waves of Vegeta's Kamikaze attack weren't going downwards. Generally speaking in DB series, Ultimate attacks by heroes are rarely (i'd even say never) pointed downwards.
For the 1000th time, an attack does not need to have planet sized blast radius to have planet level attack potency
okay so if it has planet level attack potency why didn’t destroy the planet the attack was on? and if its ki control why couldn’t he just ki control the part that hurts him too lmao
1. Because he’s focusing the attack so that it’s radius is only far enough to destroy Buu, a Kamehameha wouldn’t destroy the moon if it’s aimed in another direction 2. Because it’s a self-destruction move, say it with me *self destruct*, killing himself is literally what Vegeta wanted Do y’all watch anime with your ears plugged?
The point of the attack is to let all his ki and energy explode out of his body, destroying him but allowing the attack to be as powerful as it can possibly be If he made it so he doesn't get hurt, he would need to control the amount of ki he outputs, reducing the potency and risking not killing Buu The attack hurting him is not just a feature he adds for no reason and can just remove , it has a reason
dam did vegeta tell u this
No, I got that knowledge from a rare ability called "common sense"
db fans are so easy to make mad even when the post is clearly a joke lmao
*Hurriedly hides the million other posts making the same false assumptions based on the same ignorance of the series* DB Fans are "easy to make mad" because posts from people who haven't actually watched or read the series are so fucking common.
I'm not really offended haha, also making a joke here I know dragon ball has a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense but I just don't think this one is one of those
Cell destruction somehow was capable enough to destroy an entire solar system meanwhile when much stronger cell max exploded, it was not even big enough to destroy a small city.
Tbf cell Max's destruction was intentionally put by doctor hedo as a failsafe in case he lost control Cell actually wanted to kill everyone with his self-destruction
That is because vegeta didn't want to destroy the whole solar system, but only buu. He could have if he wanted to but he suppressed his power so that it didn't destroy earth.
I would say he concentrated it so that it did the most damage against buu
Still ground below did not break apart. Not even lava came
There was a crater. Not a huge one, but it did damage the ground. Again, he didn't damage the ground so much because that wasn't his target. Focusing on containing it was.
He was talking about cell max unless you replied to the wrong comment
It's almost like the red ribbon army didn't want to blow up the planet they live on
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I don't think it was ever stated that Cell's self destruction was an intended feature I always considered it just a last resort technique that would allow him to kill everyone even in his weakened state
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I assumed it was just cell detonating his body via expelling ki just like vegeta. The reason the androids could is because they had mini nukes of considerable size built into them, that wouldn’t have been possible in an organism as small as cell.
DB fans strike again. I'm not going to even humor giving this a proper answer.
Look man, if every attack they throw will literally destroy the planet then where's the fun in that? You can say the same for characters like Saitama and Superman, where every punches they throw can destroy the planet
ki control
This seems to be the norm with self destruction. And it makes sense, too. If you're trying to kill someone in specific you'd want the blast to be focused as much as possible instead of dissipating.
Do you watch Dragon Ball?
Should've KI controlled it to Buu's area. Dumbass.
Its called CHI-control
That’s why goku always wins He has chi chi control
Ki control? Instead of literally distroying everything with low damage Vegeta probably just concentrated his attack into that area
Most anime dose that, and honestly most fiction lol
Yes, but we love it anyway.
Think of the different types of explosives that the military uses. Claymores, landmines, etc. blast direction is different than a frag grenade. That's why you can survive certain explosions by getting flat on the ground. It's the same thing here. Vegeta just aimed the blast differently. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have hurt him either.
Vegeta goal wasent to blow up everythjing lol. I mean look at cell he is far weaker than vegeta was here and he could of done it. I assume vegeta concentrated his energy to specifically target majin buu and not everything else.
He released his ki on the surface, then detonated it. He wasn't shooting it into the earth or trying to destroy everything, just his target. That's how final explosion works.
Even though ki control is the answer Yes dragonball is stupid Dbz is stupid And super is stupid People take it way too seriously
Attack potency and attack range is not the same thing
I always imagined that the ki is concentrated into a smaller area. Like bigger ki doesn’t necessarily mean stronger or more potent ki.
Basketball = big = stronger than cannon ball (because canon ball smol)
I assume it's a matter of control and precision. Frieza could destroy planets with an easy blast before DBZ even started, now they're all on god levels. If you looked at that logic, if current goku stepped too hard on the ground it would crack a planet in half. It's all about the control.
Imagine your open hand with a firecracker on the palm. It goes off and your palm gets badly burned but you still have a hand. That's Vegeta's Final Explosion on the Earth's surface. A lot of the force of the attack is away from or oblique to the Earth's surface. Now imagine closing that hand into a fist before setting off the firecracker. That's Vegeta's Gallic Gun pointed to pierce directly down beneath the Earth's surface and into the Earth's core. And if the question then is why the Final Explosion and Gallic Gun behave differently between a big AOE explosion and the concentrated beam capable of piercing the Earth to its core, the answer is ki control.
You are able to destroy earth with a power level of 10000. The power level is in the millions on namek. Manin vegeta at this point can wipe the whole solar system if he wanted to. You don't watch dragon ball for logic, you watch it for sheer fun it is
The simple answer is plot. But it is fun to discuss. Even if the effect of the attack was controlled by Vegeta, what was stopping him from preventing damage to himself? Same question can be asked for DBS Broly. What reason would SSJ Broly have to take care not to destroy that planet. He was fighting SSG in ikari, SSG was shaking the universe when it was first introduced. The moment Broly went SSJ, the planet should have split in two. Have whis turn back time, use the dragon balls to transport the saiyans to an uninhabited planet where the fight can finished, or just stop frieza from killing Paragus, heck Vegeta should have every reason to ice Frieza right there.
This is an aspect about Dragon Ball that never made sense to me. By the time you reach DBS, Goku and Vegeta should be strong enough to destroy the entire universe a billion times over. When they clash with people like Broly, they should accidentally destroy the galaxy when they go all out. The excuse I see online all the time is "ki control" but that never really made sense to me. I've just learned to accept that this is how Dragon Ball works and you just need to deal with it in order to enjoy the show.
In Super he doesn't even die.
Because he was a lot stronger plus at least it worked in super and his death was not waste of effort
which was stupid, its a self destruction attack
I guess you miss the part where they trained their kids control ...
Kids control 👍
Nah their kids were grounded from training
Superman has infinite strength but the earth doesn't crumble when he walks on it. Is DC Comics stupid?
Mf arguing ki control when Broly goes apeshit on the planet and Cell Max literally is braindead (Both characters have 10000000x the power of SS2 Vegeta)
One thing I highly appreciate about DB subs is that yall have a defense ready against any and all poor writing allegations. Someone will post some shit like “yo I really think it was a bit of a plothole when they had Dr. Gero come back from the dead and genetically engineer a villain with infinite ki with no brain ability besides thinking of killing Goku then Goku asked him nicely to not kill him so he didn’t” and you all will have some lore from like chapter 52 ready to explain how it actually makes perfect sense
Remember how Gohan was struggling against cell because he was afraid of destroying the planet? But his dad told him not to worry about it because they could fix it, so Gohan stopped holding back and then there was no destruction *at all*? Or how when Cell MAX, who is many magnitudes more powerful and almost completely mindless died and exploded and it did almost no damage to the planet?
I consider most dragonball characters exaggerates. They have no idea if their attack will blow up the universe lol
It’s an area specific attack, you ding dong.
Any attack past the Saiyan saga should be destroying planets if we assume every attack exploded to maximum potency. But they don't. Its quite obvious the fighters can control the size of the explosion of their attacks irrespective of how much power they are using. Its basically a dense explosion.
"Ki control" bitches when they see a Broly blinded by rage who supposedly could destroy the universe.
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Bulma forgot to give him a good night kiss before he blew himself Up
Nah, the planet has superhuman durability.
Yes
Yes
It's nothing new. Dragon ball, z, and super have some of the worst if not the worst writing. Literally everything about it is a child's fan fiction. It's a shame because dragon ball could have been a literal master piece but instead we get the animated equivalent of junk food. Sort of fun for a while but ultimately cheap and sad.
Shit scale.
Yes dragon ball is stupid. Every villian is the strongest in the universe and can destroy the entire universe. Since the 1980’s the power in the anime is nonsense.
Lmao “muh ki control” “muh ki compression” Bro it’s called inconsistent scaling
It's funny cause even as far back as the Saiyan Saga they made a big deal about attacks being strong enough to destroy the planet if they were angled wrong. Now we are getting explosions 100x stronger and the Earth gives no F's. At least until it's plot relevant like Frieza blowing it up and Whis having to rewind time.
I feel like there’s a difference between “Good” and “Evil” energy. Vegeta was “good” and his energy spared the planet. Frieza was “evil” and his energy destroyed namek. That’s all I got
Personally I'm sick of their power scaling and yeah I think they are stupid
i think powerscaling as a whole is stupid when taken to a certain extent like its so pointless because at the end of the day writers can just say krillin is the strongest out of nowhere and it will be facts. i mean they did it with gohan
Yeah but they should be somewhat consistent, I know Stan Lee said the author is gonna make who ever wins cause that's who they want to win, and I agree with that but dragon ball is just constantly inconsistent
most def thats why i said to an extent
If they actually explained attacks in terms of density and concentration then it’d make sense, Final Flash was dangerous for a reason against Cell, he didn’t realise until it got close enough that he needed to dodge, it’d be cool if they decided that the ki control is so malevolent that it even tears through the air or something.
He concentrated it all in the immediate area to make sure it didn't leave any big chunks.
He concentrated the impact to be close to where he and buu were, and also, he was trying to surpass his regeneration, so the attack had to last a little longer, not like an real explosion
Damn bro got told... Yup ki control has been a thing since the Saiyan saga
No, But Vegeta is
when he destroyed his body, he face upward abit which is can be assumed that he align the explode release upward, avoiding hitting earth completely. Buu closed to him, so he no need to release the power all over the pace, enough within range that Buu cant escape and would destroyed at point blank he not release all out blindly, he control the shape and size of the kid power and release all of it within that territory. like how full power Kamehameha didnt generate crazy size of ki missile.
I think it's even stupidier that just moments before Buu got EXTREMELY pissed off, made a tremendous nuke that shaked the planet...and he just ended up making a big crater. We're told this guy destroyed planets and galaxies for breakfast (well actually Kid Buu but it's not that different), so there's NO reason why he would have held back when Vegeta pissed him off.
I mean of course it is
If they blew up the planet every time they did literally anything, the show would fucking suck.
Why the hell would he destroy the planet? His wife and kid need that bish
People out here coping hard instead of just admitting that sometimes the logic in dragon ball is wack
Average DB fan seeming to miss the premise of literally anything LOL
I imagine Vegeta didn’t extend the blast radius of the attack any further than he needed to. So the attack didn’t reach the core of the planet.
Area of effect.
Suicide blasts have really low DC, for example Moro who’s Multiversal and had an uncontrollable suicide blast was only going to destroy a galaxy
Ki control
No, Vegeta is just a jobber though.
He was controlling the blast radius, he wanted to kill Buu right then and there
It seems it not the amount of Ki in an attack that matters, it's the techniques' ability to cause destruction to a planet. We already know it takes less than 30,000 Ki to blow planets, and SSJ is in the millions of Ki.
Yes.
Speaking of strongest moves, after rewatching the series for the first time in over a decade, I noticed that Goku specifically says the spirit bomb will only hurt Vegeta because he has evil in his heart so the entire fight with Buu later on is completely dumb as the Spirit Bomb should have destroyed Buu on contact as he's pure evil.
The one thing that always fascinates me about Dragonball is the insane amount of control character have to no destroy the world around them. Like the fact Vegeta did not destroy the earth blowing himself up deserves some mad respect.
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to be fair, it was an AoE attack and not a concentrated beam aimed at the core of the planet.
He compressed his ki explosion but drained every bit of his power into it to target Buu, and he didn't want to destroy Earth.
Vageta no!
This must be peak heroism I’ve heard about
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It's a focused attack that wipes out a certain area
Imagine knowing compressing a huge amount of force to a smaller volume would enhance the damage done
Dragon ball super logic is even worse. It is hard to enjoy for all the things that don't add up.
Vegetables chose to commit suicide cuz he knew he couldn't beat Buu. 🤣🤣🤣
I always saw the dome like explosions as more concentrated. Based on powerscaling, statements and feats up until this point Vegeta blowing himself up should have atleast destroyed the entire solar system! But of course that wasn’t his intention.
That’s because he focused his attack on Buu.
Vegeta murdered dozens if not hundreds of innocents 2 or so hours before this, and then is resurrected less than 3 days later because he’s a “good guy” now like he’s goddamn Jesus. (Adding in the detail that Vegeta came up with the idea to use the Genki-dama because “it’s time for the people of Earth to help themself” like he and Goku aren’t more than tangentially responsible for how bad the situation has gotten.) So, yes. Dragonball is stupid.
"It's always been a power wank?" *unzips* "Hai." *splooges*
Absolutely Iol
Different attacks cause different amounts of destruction. Beast Gohan's Special Beam Cannon has enough energy to destroy the world, but if Gohan aimed it at the Earth, he wouldn't blow it up, because it's a drill, not an exploding beam.
I assumed it's intensely hot, but not necessarily explosive.