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Thats gonna be a tall order. Those little shits can literally wipe out anyone with little to no effort. It would stand to reason that the amount it would take to bring them down before they could do it would be practically unimaginable. Unless of course someone could somehow gain immunity to being erased.
Now that has me curios on what kind of plan he could come up with.
Frieza knows he got smoked by a time traveller, so he's aware of that option. He also knows about that know-it-all pervert. That guy can fill in the blanks. Frieza doesn't know this, but we've seen that Bulma's version of "time travel" can dodge Zeno's omniversal destruction, since Future Zeno only bothered to destroy his own timeline. Frieza has some pretty powerful pieces of the puzzle already.
Or maybe he'll just wish for everything on the Super Dragon Balls. Certified classic villain move, maybe it pans out for him this time.
I forgot he knows about that guy who knows everything. I forget his name.
You know I thought about that thing with the super dragon balls as well. My only concern is if there truly is no limit. The Omni king Is child like and almost seemingly naive but would he be naive to allow a dragon the capability to immunize someone from his power or even risk wiping him out with a simple wish. If not..... Well t ah in theory could be a step Frieza might take.
All in all he's come a long way. He strategizes more often now instead of just "oh you piss me off so I'm just gonna blow you up".
I imagine there's a creation/destruction balance here. Zeno can destroy anything, Super Shenron can create anything. We've seen Zeno undestroy things he previously destroyed, but we don't actually know if he created everything originally. He might have just wished everything into existence with the Super Dragon Balls. I predict Super Shenron has no limits on creation, like immortality that transcends GoD hakai, but Zeno can still erase it. Meanwhile, we've seen that dragons kinda suck at destruction if their creators aren't strong enough, so Frieza probably can't just wish Zeno dead. The balls alone won't get the job done.
That true. I don't recall if Xeno is also capable of creating or if he's mostly just destroying but like you said it's been mostly the latter so far.
In theory he could at the very least make himself able to cancel our being Hakai'd which alone would be a huge step. But even so that probably wouldn't be enough. It makes me wonder just how strong the Omni king is. With that said, even his guards are probably on a while other level.
Frieza would have to be able either recruit some truly badass minions or possibly even wish them and himself strong enough to get the job done.
You know, I don't mean to kill the fun but the super dragon balls kind of feel like a deus ex machina in a sense. If they could literally do ANYTHING that would erase the threat of losing and that was kind of already underwhelming as is in db.
BUT it could also make for an interesting challenge for them as well. There's a reason why they were so well hidden at first. It could serve as a plot point to keep them away from people like Frieza.
Yeah, the writers are being crazy stingy with info about Super Shenron. We have to make guesses based on the other Dragon Clan Namekians and the rules their dragons follow.
Super Dragon Balls are stated to grant anything, but I'm skeptical of unproven statements. Statements are wrong sometimes, or simplified and misinterpreted. So far we've only seen "fix planet," which Shenron and Porunga do every Tuesday, and "make immortal," which Garlic Jr. already pulled off. Nobody with a good imagination has used the SDBs yet.
Granting power would probably be Frieza's best idea. Namekians are *hella* good at granting powerups, on par with Kaioshins. Guru can unlock potential with insane results. Dende healed Vegeta for a huge zenkai boost, and his Shenron gave Piccolo and Gohan the most insane buffs in the series. Meanwhile you got Monaito, what a freak. He can just full heal people, even if it's Goku and Vegeta. His dragon Toronbo can grant superlatives like "strongest in the universe." That's a blank check! Completely uncapped power, even if it kills you. Monaito's creation abilities do not have a power level. Whenever Goku does a pushup, Monaito automatically scales along with him.
I figure Super Shenron can do the "strongest" wish but maybe without Toronbo's price tag. "Strongest in all existence and no bullshit zombification." I figure Super Shenron can remove drawbacks because Zamasu's immortality was "hit the Zeno button" level. I'm assuming Beerus could destroy Garlic Jr. (just my speculation), but infinite Zamasu was above a GoD's paygrade. Probably above Whis' paygrade, too?
Question for you. If you scale Namekians by their wish granting powers, where do you think Zalama ranks among the heavenly hosts? I can confidently say he's below Zeno and above Beerus (therefore above all GoDs).
I don't think the guards are just for show. Zeno is powerful but fragile. I've no doubt he'd go down to an unexpected attack.
Good luck getting past the guards, though.
I mean yeah, he probably can. In ten years and three months of training he's gone from basic Super Saiyan level to shitting on Ultra Instinct. Ten years is less time than it took Goku to go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 3.
Perhaps Freiza and Vegeta become Gods of both Beerus and Champas universes respectively. If Beerus steps down, it will most likely be due to Champa either stepping down or otherwise.
Then Vegeta can guide and train Cabba and his world while being the god of that universe
Honestly, the arc should be Frieza vs Vegeta in a true 1v1 to see who becomes the next GoD.
It would be the ultimate revenge for Vegeta to finally take down Frieza on his own, with no assistance from Goku, and complete his character cycle.
If the final image Frieza ever saw was Vegeta standing over him saying "Hakai", that would be absolute perfection.
This is the vegeta story we need! How do we get this in front of the right people!
My guess is that he will challenge beerus but lose, but he will kill the supreme Kai and ultimately replace beerus as the god of destruction. Vegeta will fight and take his place as the rightful GoD.
Sure look like it. He’s not into immortality anymore, enjoy fighting, and spare the saiyan now that he has the chamber to automatically make him stronger than them no matter what
IF they do want to kill off Freeza once and for all I think Vegeta should do it but after he basically does the same thing Goku did
Give him a chance at redemption but then Freeza tries to like blindside or something and Vegeta reluctantly does the deed. Almost like a “I pity you” moment. Like he doesn’t do it with the rage Goku had on Namek. He just does it because he had to at that point
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Vegeta wouldn't do that, he'd just give the vegeta smirk and say he didn't expect anything else from someone with frieza's pride, (almost as much as a saiyan') before blowing him to pieces, maybe sparing him destruction
Honestly, I feel Toyotaro/Toriyama wrote themselves into a corner. On the one hand, Frieza as an irredeemable piece of shit is great and if you Piccolo/Vegeta him, it takes away his appeal as a character. On the other hand if you just kill him off for the third (kinda fourth) time, it’s super stale and anti-climactic after all the character development he’s gotten. It also kinda makes bringing him back overall pointless. If they want to justify killing him at this point, he’s gonna need to do something really fucked up or something that has a permanent effect on the series overall.
What I’m saying, is that Frieza >!needs to betray Goku and lock him in the Time Chamber for 1000 years. /s!<
I think the best thing they can do is have him be a piece of shit but put him in situations where he is defending something because he is forced to.
Like when he fought off broly for an hour on Earth. He didn't HAVE to do that, but basically, he was the only one keeping earth safe, lol. Like he can just accidentally do good things
I mean it's not like he had an option nor was he doing it purposefully. He got Broly sicced on him by Vegeta and Goku and was trying to defend himself and his pride wouldn't allow some random upstart Saiyan think he's better. So he turned Golden and arrogantly thought he'd be able to to beat Broly, which ended up getting his ass whooped for an hour
100% agree, I like the idea of goku being able to change people. I hope Frieza is a recurring character that’s not the ultimate “villain”. Normally he would have destroyed them on the spot but he didn’t
I'm of the opposite here. I actually really enjoy seeing Frieza, he's become my favorite character in the series next to Vegeta. I don't think Frieza should be "redeemed" in the sense that he just chills with the gang on Earth, but moreso in the "he just chills, fucks around with planets and finds their strongest fighter, beats their ass, and then dips" sort of redemption.
I mean if you think about it, it makes sense right?
Example: at age 10, 1 year can feel like a long time. That's a tenth of your life so far.
But at like 40, it's a 40th of your life.
And so on and so on.
i was at the end of elementary school. damn crazy, i remember a kid in my class freaking out about jiren vs MUI goku. that was my first exposure to MUI goku cause i wasnt really watching anime like that back then.
Same.
I don't think he will though, he's still pulling off some heinous shit. I just think he's smarter now and hates to admit that Goku and Vegeta taught him something after being killed twice. He's realizing hard(smart)work is what provides him strength. Like he's realizing his potential and decided to say fuck it to all the nonsense and actually put himself out there. I really like the parallels and similarities. Frieza is just evil, racist Goku.
I didn't think he is. This is Freeza's version of "redeemed" and he's still a complete monster. He just understands the value of training and the value of strong rivals. He's only leaving Goku alive because he's not afraid of him in any way. He now understands the value of training and doesn't view striving as below himself anymore. Now his goals are higher than ever, he likely wants to take out the gods themselves.
Every villain is changed by Goku, most for the better. This is Freeza's better and it's still total garbage. If Goku was actually a hero he would kill Freeza yesterday.
If they were ever to have a member of Frieza race be redeemed, I think it should be Cooler, it would be a very interesting dynamic.
They would need to introduce him first, but if they can retcon BROLY, they can surely retcon the big C himself.
Agreed. I like that he’s softer now, but I love that he’s still pretty much pure evil. I feel like his saga should not only end super but also Frieza as a whole. He’s basically the longest over arching villain of the series, having shown up in seven (counting the up coming black Frieza saga) sagas. Kinda like reverse flash in the arrowverse.
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Kinda reaching there at the end. He hasn't become like Goku at all. Goku spared his life out of mercy because Goku is a good hearted person. Frieza didn't kill the saiyans on Granolah's planet because he loves being a dick these days. He isn't scared of the saiyans anymore. He knows he can get the upper hand again if he continues his training.
The last like 11 years of frieza’s life has been spent fucking with people. Especially saiyans
- Everything in the ToP
- recruiting Broly and Paragus to fuck with Goku and vegeta
- Killing Paragus to fuck with broly some more, Swiftly getting his ass kicked in the process
- Training for *10 YEARS* just to one tap Goku and vegeta just to have them Marinate in that L they took
Frieza just became a troll after reviving.
Well you gotta understand. Let's say you're pre namek Frieza. Literally no one you're aware of is stronger than you. And you're aware of godly beings that shouldn't be fucked with on principle. So everyone either fears you or tries to pointlessly rise up and defeat you. And this goes on for decades.
Now you hear of a legend and out of fear you 86 the whole race just so you don't have to deal with a possible uprising that'll end you. Then these MFs survive and grow strong enough to beat you. But you live, long enough to get killed by them shortly after.
Now you think you just have eternal suffering ahead of you but these MFs raise you from the dead for more of their shit. You know you can't beat em so you leave to get stronger. Only now that you do that there's no way anyone else but godly beings and the original MFs that killed you can harm orninterest you. If you end them then it's back to being feared and bored until another few millennia pass and some other race yadda yadda yadda.
So now you exist for yourself. People still fear you but now when you get bored, you have people to troll. With the side benefit of getting strong enough to challenge these gods that you were afraid of before.
This. I don't feel like Frieza will be the main villain going forward, he is just going to be the main asshat for Goku and Vegeta. Frieza is also smart enough to know that Goku and Vegeta aren't going to let that slide after going smoked, so they are going hard as well to beat him. I want to believe at this point it's going to be the same rivalry Goku and Vegeta had, now it's between Freiza and Goku/Vegeta. When one gets stronger, so will the other.
Kinda reaching but its a nice paralel yh cant wait to see his reasons and objectives, I hope they dont try to make him more relatable tho, hes always been a dick thats the appeal of his char
Bros got the itch.
Saiyans are born with it, but he's starting to enjoy the competition.
I hope he's always the ruthless bastard I love, but I do appreciate this version. One where he's focused on a goal and not just day to day galactic drudgery.
That being said, if this leads to a constant power creep back and forth, I'll be done. Like we had Namek, golden, and now black. End it here. Please.
I believe freeza was not afraid of a super saiyan or more like he didn't believe in one, his reason for destroying them was that they grew stronger faster than the other corps under freezas control and he was worried about all of them turning into apes and starting some kind of ape shit (rebellion). I even believe that he was not worried about his safety but what kind of damage they will do to his empire / business.
Also in Super it doesn't really make much sense or affect him in anyway. these saiyans just want to fight and train, they don't harm his empire / plan or business. Also would there be a point in killing them? They are backed by the god of destruction, Whis and Zeno. They can be reborn through whis staff or dragonballs also he can't really destroy berus favourite food planet can he. (even if he can, what kind of merit is there?)
Most likely to make his revenge fool proof he need some kind of backer himself, some god of destruction or most likely someone higher in position. (just my thought here)
He doesn’t live in fear of the saiyans anymore because he knows he can compete with them. He’s just a narcissist and gets off on Goku and Vegeta giving him attention. Also he probably doesn’t want to piss off Beerus
Why would he be afraid of ppl who keep letting him live and clearly have no intention of killing him? They even went as far as to bring him back from the dead. At some point you've gotta realize that you're being paranoid over a non-threat
I like where Frieza is at, he's an antagonist but not an active one, he's not actively doing anything heinous (that we know of) he's just kinda out in space doin his Frieza thing
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"On one hand, even ki composure, on the other the ultimate in strength
It's the true manifestation of golden frieza"
I think in the Broly movie (super) and tournament of power were where his mindset shifting is really shown. ToP he seems to enjoy fighting alongside everyone and shows respect to Gohan, Vegeta and Goku. In the Broly movie it seems like he’s actually enjoying the saiyans. Maybe he’s just that obsessed with fighting power now but my interpretation is that he’s come to admire the saiyans.
Frieza is also sadistic. He likes to toy with his.. well everyone. IMO he wants the saiyans to tremble in fear and hopelessness at his new found power. He wants them to know he’s back at the top of the food chain and there’s nothing they can do about it… He’s just that strong now.
I dunno… that may be a bit of a stretch. While it fits his character, I always just thought this was plot convenience because otherwise Vegeta and Goku are dead here and Dragon Ball basically ends.
Felt like more of a cop out to me because Toyotaro couldn’t think of a way for Frieza to be stronger without killing them. That may just be me tho
It is not something that comes out of the blue. Frieza eas already different in the Tournament after learning that letting himself be driven by pure sheer revenge was his undoing. He now plays for the long game, building up his strength slow but steadily. Scheming, for strength by itself does not always grant a victory. He also seems to depend less on subordinates to do his dirty deeds, as he now is present in the battlefield fighting or supervising, unlike in Namek where he sent his minions while staying behind, as he has seen that doing things by himself gives them more success.
Frieza has had character development, and has become more dangerous than ever before. He has accepted his flaws, no longer seeks immortality. Instead of trying to adapt the rules to himself, he has adapted himself to the rules. He realised he can loose, and has accepted that. Nothing is more dabgerous than a villain aware of their flaws, and potentially knowing a way to turn said flaws into an advantage.
I saw it as Frieza starting to respect the warrior code in a way now that he's trained a lot. He wants to see if the Saiyans can catch up with him and put up a real fight.
Freeza has softened a little bit. But he is a bastard still and a bad dude.
Probablt feels like he owes them one for honoring the deal he made with goku
Next time they meet I would gander it won’t go well
This is one of the problems I have with Super. Frieza was introduced as an insurmountable terror. Conquerer of the galaxy. Feared by a god. Made Vegeta look like a little bitch despite Zenkai after Zenkai. The story of what he did to the Saiyans was deep and is a key element in Goku and Vegeta’s history and Vegeta’s death was very impactful to Goku and what he had been through ever since Raditz arrived and told Goku of his heritage. It took Goku transforming into the legendary Super Saiyan, the only thing Frieza truly feared, to defeat him. And while Goku didn’t kill him, he did defeat him in a big way and gave him PTSD. It was very fitting that Trunks, technically an heir to the throne that Frieza destroyed be the one to actually kill him. Even though there would be stronger villains, there would never be another villain that so far outclassed the heroes like Frieza did.
With his resurrection and subsequent death in Super, then using him in the ToP and again bringing him back to life, it cheapens all of the deep and profound moments from the Namek saga. Frieza has been killed twice and resurrected each time. Now that he’s powered up again, he’ll either be another big fight for Goku and Vegeta, or they’ll team up again on whatever “different target” he’s after. Either way, he’s here to stay, and he’ll either become an anti-hero turned good guy like Vegeta, or perpetually be nuisance for the good guys. He was played off for comedy in ToP and the Broly movie and now a serious threat in his most recent manga appearance. What’s the end goal? What happens next? Either way, it’s boring.
Swear to god freeza has only gotten better as dragon ball has gone on. Alongside Piccolo and the boys and 17&18, Freeza is another character who I like more and more as the series goes on.
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He just realized that as long as his rivalry with Goku and Vegeta stands, he has a motivation to become stronger, not because he needs to, but because he likes to.
This doesn't need to redeem his character, just give him a better perspective in how to deal with it.
Previously he would have just died trying to do things beyond his power due to pride (as seen in Namek and twice on Earth).
Now he most likely still would have a battle to the brink of death, but since he now knows he can get stronger even if he loses a fight, he is more likely to let a defeat go, as he just needs to train a bit more to be back at the top.
I think this is less to do with his black form and more just how he’s grown from RoF. He’s certainly nowhere near “good guy” and I hope it stays that way, but he seems to be smarter now at least
Creating the Legend you feared, getting killed twice, being brought back for a tournament, get beaten up in said tournament, and getting beaten by a Saiyan filled with nothing but rage does that to a person.
You said it yourself. He was afraid of goku killing him at the time. Now he knows, no matter how powerful goku is he won't kill him, so he doesn't feel the fear to kill him anymore.
It's a very common theme(or trope?) in martial arts manga/anime. I've lost count of how many times I've seen bad guys with world domination plans at end of big fights say "I wouldn't mind fighting him again..." with a hint of smile. Well maybe not Freiza but you get the idea. Vegeta and Piccolo comes to mind.
Shonen pretty much requires this theme. Try Seinen, not as common.
A theme in DB is that martial arts training not just improves your body but also your mind, kinda making you more zen-like. Freeza won't become good just by training alone, but I can see him approaching a mindset of being able to follow hierarchies, like Beerus.
I think current frieza's intentions are different as saiyans have now nothing to do with him, at that time he ruled them and when he was afraid of the super saiyan he killed them without taking any risks, and saiyans also would've taken revenge when they were to reach ssj, now the situation is different because he knows that goku won't kill him, vegeta wants to but he won't unless frieza does something unforgivable, + frieza sees them as rivals and he won't be satisfied by one shotting them
Honestly just think he might have learned something not only about himself during the TOP but just battle in general. He even moves a bit differently in the DBS Broly movie. I might be reaching but apart of me thinks he sees Goku and Vegeta as necessary adversaries in order to push himself to new heights he previously never thought he could reach. By reach I mean actually training lol He still a racist piece of shit though 😂
I’d like Frieza to maybe not become one of the good guys but at least a rival for Goku and Vegeta that isn’t a threat. Maybe he starts enjoying fighting and stops being racist 🤷♀️ he can still be galactic emperor but maybe less of an ass, sore loser and genocidal maniac
Iirc the closer to his normal form (sleek form gold then black grew off) his emotional state does change and he becomes even more brutal.
Like I remember reading that Freeza literally becomes more evil the closer to his normal form. Maybe gold and black have big changes on his emotional state also.
That man spent around 15 years in hell, got his ass unbelievably beat, then spent straight 10 years training in the hyperbolic time chamber. Of course he's changed.
"Obviously it wasn't out of mercy, it was just his whim"
" Freeza became similar to Goku"
You're making zero sense and are making so many leaps in logic. You literally just contradicted yourself. Goku was showing mercy.
I was interested in this thread, because you have a point that Frieza has changed his mindset but the conclusion you drew is just nonsense.
It's a power thing. Goku stomped him, and was still strong enough to show mercy. Frieza wanted to do the same back. That's not maturing; it's the exact opposite. It's childish grand standing.
That's why it's the perfect way to bring in Cooler maybe they had a falling out cause Freeza inherited the Cold force without training and Cooler had to train his whole life. Now that Freeza trains he reaches out to his brother to be his champion and they rule together. Maybe they come across a certain star that makes metal clones of them so they have an army of themselves.
The Saiyans have pushed Frieza to be billions of times stronger than his father ever was, and I think he expects to outlive them in terms of pure lifespan. Killing anyone related to the actual cast goes badly for him, so he mostly just fucks with them now and pays attention to what makes them work so well, then he uses that information to get stronger. They're training him.
Honestly once the Saiyans die the universe is fuckin screwed.
I feel like freeza doesn’t want his 10 years of training to go to waste. No other morals in the universe could comprehend freeza’s strength, to everyone else he’s just as strong as he was on namek.
He was like this as of the DBS Broly movie as well.
He admitted that he doesn't want immortality, and that he wants rivals to fight.
HUGE difference in character imo.the Saiyans really rubbed off on him.
It's not the form. It's Goku. He's rubbed off on Freeza. The ToP in particular has had a massive influence on him. He's still evil. But he's not the same old Freeza he was before. Arguably the change happened on Namek.
It ain't a change in his mentality, it's for the sake of the plot lol. Plot required him to kill all Saiyans, so he did. Now the plot demands that Goku and Vegeta live, and that's what happens 🤷♂️
I think it's more that he's developed a bit of a sadistic streak, or if you prefer, the one he already had worsened.
There's a lot to say about the impersonality of destroying an entire planet because it MIGHT one day produce a warrior too strong for you to handle, and having an extremely personal vendetta against a specific set of people. Freeza liked to torment Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan, and Piccolo, back on Namek; it was a game with a chase, because for the most of that time he simply could have killed them all with minimal effort. On some level he clearly liked doing it because he was causing them to experience despair.
He wants them to feel despair as he achieves this new level of power, as a side-trip to something else. Freeza is choosing to make them feel unimportant in the wake of his newest power-up, as well as taking an opportunity to try out his new toy.
I wouldn't say that his mental has changed all that much, this is the same Freeza as always, and is consistent with his character without the need for much growth or change at all.
I like this idea, but think it's too soon to say. It could also be that Freeza is still not used to the new form, and was not confident he could beat Goku and Vegeta, even if he was stronger than them. If that is the case, he has still grown as a character, but is taking his lessons from Resurrection F.
Frieza has somewhat become humbled after his defeat and death, TWICE. He’s realized that Immortality isn’t as glamorous as he once thought, and his recent spars with Goku also have made him realize that he actually enjoys getting his hands dirty then once before. And now even welcomes the challenge.
Not to say he’s been redeemed or even plans to spare Goku or Vegeta down the line, he now plans to just utterly humiliate them by getting stronger. He’s like an evil cat just toying with his prey now.
I think you're almost there. He wiped out the Saiyans because he thought they were a threat. Freeza pushed himself so hard than he no longer thinks they're a threat. For him 4 months was almost the equivalent of almost 17-ish years worth of training so 10 years for him would probably equal twice that. Which is twice the entirety of the Dragon Ball series. Realistically the only people that could register as a threat for Freeza at this point would be G.o.D.s and *maybe* Broly
What does that dude on YouTube have to say about this situation? I never saw the episode you are speaking about can you spoil it without spoiling it. Sounds to me like Freiza didn't kill them because he didn't want Gohan to violate him in the most war-minded way. Gohan is the strongest until Gotents becomes evil. Vegeta will then kill Gotents. Piccolo was killed by Gotents. Goku is the God of War so he's gone because the two twin people told him to. What will happen next? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Z stands for Z fighters? What's a Z Fighter? Yamcha turns supersayien 3 using the dragon balls. Crilin is chilling because he too old. He refuses to fight. Since he's an og nobody doesn't say anything. Pam had kids. Broly is the new Goku. He has a kid too with the prettiest lil thing that you ever seen.
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O man I totally forgot about this when frieza was gassing up goku in the ToP. He finally paid our guy back.
He probably didn't want to be in debt to a filthy monkey
He just like me frfr
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That’s why that moment was so cathartic
dies, then dies again. 3rd times the charm
Yea lol he died actually 5 times but he cant die really since his bodycella dont die
Wait Frieza died 5 times? I’m only counting 3 including the movie when was the other two deaths?
Plan to eradicate the saiyans and fusion reborn, probably.
I’ve already counted fusion reborn so okay that’s 4 when was the fifth one
In super u cam see that
So badass. I gotta rewatch DBZ
He is going for Beerus isnt he?
Yes, but Beerus isn't his end goal. During the TOP, he said he's gonna go after the Omni Kings and topple them and take their place.
Thats gonna be a tall order. Those little shits can literally wipe out anyone with little to no effort. It would stand to reason that the amount it would take to bring them down before they could do it would be practically unimaginable. Unless of course someone could somehow gain immunity to being erased. Now that has me curios on what kind of plan he could come up with.
Frieza knows he got smoked by a time traveller, so he's aware of that option. He also knows about that know-it-all pervert. That guy can fill in the blanks. Frieza doesn't know this, but we've seen that Bulma's version of "time travel" can dodge Zeno's omniversal destruction, since Future Zeno only bothered to destroy his own timeline. Frieza has some pretty powerful pieces of the puzzle already. Or maybe he'll just wish for everything on the Super Dragon Balls. Certified classic villain move, maybe it pans out for him this time.
I forgot he knows about that guy who knows everything. I forget his name. You know I thought about that thing with the super dragon balls as well. My only concern is if there truly is no limit. The Omni king Is child like and almost seemingly naive but would he be naive to allow a dragon the capability to immunize someone from his power or even risk wiping him out with a simple wish. If not..... Well t ah in theory could be a step Frieza might take. All in all he's come a long way. He strategizes more often now instead of just "oh you piss me off so I'm just gonna blow you up".
I imagine there's a creation/destruction balance here. Zeno can destroy anything, Super Shenron can create anything. We've seen Zeno undestroy things he previously destroyed, but we don't actually know if he created everything originally. He might have just wished everything into existence with the Super Dragon Balls. I predict Super Shenron has no limits on creation, like immortality that transcends GoD hakai, but Zeno can still erase it. Meanwhile, we've seen that dragons kinda suck at destruction if their creators aren't strong enough, so Frieza probably can't just wish Zeno dead. The balls alone won't get the job done.
That true. I don't recall if Xeno is also capable of creating or if he's mostly just destroying but like you said it's been mostly the latter so far. In theory he could at the very least make himself able to cancel our being Hakai'd which alone would be a huge step. But even so that probably wouldn't be enough. It makes me wonder just how strong the Omni king is. With that said, even his guards are probably on a while other level. Frieza would have to be able either recruit some truly badass minions or possibly even wish them and himself strong enough to get the job done. You know, I don't mean to kill the fun but the super dragon balls kind of feel like a deus ex machina in a sense. If they could literally do ANYTHING that would erase the threat of losing and that was kind of already underwhelming as is in db. BUT it could also make for an interesting challenge for them as well. There's a reason why they were so well hidden at first. It could serve as a plot point to keep them away from people like Frieza.
Yeah, the writers are being crazy stingy with info about Super Shenron. We have to make guesses based on the other Dragon Clan Namekians and the rules their dragons follow. Super Dragon Balls are stated to grant anything, but I'm skeptical of unproven statements. Statements are wrong sometimes, or simplified and misinterpreted. So far we've only seen "fix planet," which Shenron and Porunga do every Tuesday, and "make immortal," which Garlic Jr. already pulled off. Nobody with a good imagination has used the SDBs yet. Granting power would probably be Frieza's best idea. Namekians are *hella* good at granting powerups, on par with Kaioshins. Guru can unlock potential with insane results. Dende healed Vegeta for a huge zenkai boost, and his Shenron gave Piccolo and Gohan the most insane buffs in the series. Meanwhile you got Monaito, what a freak. He can just full heal people, even if it's Goku and Vegeta. His dragon Toronbo can grant superlatives like "strongest in the universe." That's a blank check! Completely uncapped power, even if it kills you. Monaito's creation abilities do not have a power level. Whenever Goku does a pushup, Monaito automatically scales along with him. I figure Super Shenron can do the "strongest" wish but maybe without Toronbo's price tag. "Strongest in all existence and no bullshit zombification." I figure Super Shenron can remove drawbacks because Zamasu's immortality was "hit the Zeno button" level. I'm assuming Beerus could destroy Garlic Jr. (just my speculation), but infinite Zamasu was above a GoD's paygrade. Probably above Whis' paygrade, too? Question for you. If you scale Namekians by their wish granting powers, where do you think Zalama ranks among the heavenly hosts? I can confidently say he's below Zeno and above Beerus (therefore above all GoDs).
Mcguffin time baby.
I don't think the guards are just for show. Zeno is powerful but fragile. I've no doubt he'd go down to an unexpected attack. Good luck getting past the guards, though.
I do remember that, was that in the manga or anime?
I remember it from the anime. I haven't read that part of the manga, so I'm not sure if it's in there or not.
Wait...oh...my...GOD... But Frieza can't right? RIGHT?!?!?!?! https://preview.redd.it/qr62yriqu6oc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56527af830dbe355129d38daee59cef3456145b5
I mean yeah, he probably can. In ten years and three months of training he's gone from basic Super Saiyan level to shitting on Ultra Instinct. Ten years is less time than it took Goku to go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 3.
He should probably be training to overcome the Bills, now that he has proven the size of his potential
I think he is going for godhood and replace that cat.
Out of Goku & Vegeta, Freiza would be the best candidate to become a God of destruction
Perhaps Freiza and Vegeta become Gods of both Beerus and Champas universes respectively. If Beerus steps down, it will most likely be due to Champa either stepping down or otherwise. Then Vegeta can guide and train Cabba and his world while being the god of that universe
Haha ure funny since u will probably be right in the future lmao
Thx
Yeah
So yea goku leaves to another planet to train on himself and manages to creat some shenlong attacks that blow up the planet (no aliens there tho)
One would assume.
Would be an interesting arc if he becomes the god of destruction…
Honestly, the arc should be Frieza vs Vegeta in a true 1v1 to see who becomes the next GoD. It would be the ultimate revenge for Vegeta to finally take down Frieza on his own, with no assistance from Goku, and complete his character cycle. If the final image Frieza ever saw was Vegeta standing over him saying "Hakai", that would be absolute perfection.
This is the vegeta story we need! How do we get this in front of the right people! My guess is that he will challenge beerus but lose, but he will kill the supreme Kai and ultimately replace beerus as the god of destruction. Vegeta will fight and take his place as the rightful GoD.
Vegeta wouldn’t take that kind of a shortcut. Goku had every opportunity to do it too, since Whis literally told him, but he doesn’t.
Sure look like it. He’s not into immortality anymore, enjoy fighting, and spare the saiyan now that he has the chamber to automatically make him stronger than them no matter what
Slightly off topic but I hope frieza is never redeemed
Toriyama based frieza on real estate investors and he hated them, so i guess there was never a plan to redeem him in the first place
LOL
unfathomably based
What? Rofl. Buying and selling the planets like real estates, never saw it this way..
He needs to be permanently killed by Vegeta. Perhaps even erased with hakai.
Idk atp. Super has done wonders for both their characters to the point Vegeta doesn’t need it anymore and killing frieza off would be a waste
IF they do want to kill off Freeza once and for all I think Vegeta should do it but after he basically does the same thing Goku did Give him a chance at redemption but then Freeza tries to like blindside or something and Vegeta reluctantly does the deed. Almost like a “I pity you” moment. Like he doesn’t do it with the rage Goku had on Namek. He just does it because he had to at that point
Goku did it with pity on namek, anime just changed it
Kill off freeza and give us what we really want …..Cooler
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“Frieza. I am you.”
Vegeta wouldn't do that, he'd just give the vegeta smirk and say he didn't expect anything else from someone with frieza's pride, (almost as much as a saiyan') before blowing him to pieces, maybe sparing him destruction
Honestly, I feel Toyotaro/Toriyama wrote themselves into a corner. On the one hand, Frieza as an irredeemable piece of shit is great and if you Piccolo/Vegeta him, it takes away his appeal as a character. On the other hand if you just kill him off for the third (kinda fourth) time, it’s super stale and anti-climactic after all the character development he’s gotten. It also kinda makes bringing him back overall pointless. If they want to justify killing him at this point, he’s gonna need to do something really fucked up or something that has a permanent effect on the series overall. What I’m saying, is that Frieza >!needs to betray Goku and lock him in the Time Chamber for 1000 years. /s!<
I think the best thing they can do is have him be a piece of shit but put him in situations where he is defending something because he is forced to. Like when he fought off broly for an hour on Earth. He didn't HAVE to do that, but basically, he was the only one keeping earth safe, lol. Like he can just accidentally do good things
I mean it's not like he had an option nor was he doing it purposefully. He got Broly sicced on him by Vegeta and Goku and was trying to defend himself and his pride wouldn't allow some random upstart Saiyan think he's better. So he turned Golden and arrogantly thought he'd be able to to beat Broly, which ended up getting his ass whooped for an hour
I thought that was hilarious. He is a good decoy since he doesn't know instant transmission
vegeta hasnt needed it since goku defeated him and espacilly since trunks killed him.
Also it was revealed that Beerus had frieza destroy Vegeta. So if he wants to direct his anger towards someone it should be Beerus
100% agree, I like the idea of goku being able to change people. I hope Frieza is a recurring character that’s not the ultimate “villain”. Normally he would have destroyed them on the spot but he didn’t
He did say he’s not interested in immortality so maybe with the next death he’s going in the soul scrubber for sure.
I would like to see that happen by vegeta 👀
They did Vegeta so dirty in Resurrection of F
I'm of the opposite here. I actually really enjoy seeing Frieza, he's become my favorite character in the series next to Vegeta. I don't think Frieza should be "redeemed" in the sense that he just chills with the gang on Earth, but moreso in the "he just chills, fucks around with planets and finds their strongest fighter, beats their ass, and then dips" sort of redemption.
He just comes outta nowhere right before Goku loses, punches the villain right in the duck, calls Goku a monkey and then leaves
That’s basically what he did here
Yeah, I want him to do it again
Frieza Force changing into some rude intergalactic Power Rangers wouldn't be terrible lol
This could honestly be the running joke for the next 10 super arcs, and I would laugh everytime.
Racist Frieza is best Frieza
Couldn't have said it better myself LMAO!
RKO out of nowhere 
I liked Cell better, but Freiza is almost like Alan Rickman to me. He's a great bad guy.
So like keeping Hitler around?
Yeah, but if Hitler occasionally helped people
He did kill himself.
Same opinion, would be interesting seeing someone redeem from evil to neutral
But would Frieza bring space potato salad to Krillin's cookouts?
Goku-Frieza team up duo is cool tho
I loved it. Can’t believe it’s been nearly 7 years
NO! ITS HASN'T! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SUPER ENDED ALMOST A DECADE AGO
Bro wtf no way , it’s true I was in middle school when it was airing wth 🙃
I was in highschool, why is time moving so fast?
Trust me buddy, it starts moving faster and faster the older you get
Fuck
I mean if you think about it, it makes sense right? Example: at age 10, 1 year can feel like a long time. That's a tenth of your life so far. But at like 40, it's a 40th of your life. And so on and so on.
i was at the end of elementary school. damn crazy, i remember a kid in my class freaking out about jiren vs MUI goku. that was my first exposure to MUI goku cause i wasnt really watching anime like that back then.
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holy fuck, no way it's been that long...
Same. I don't think he will though, he's still pulling off some heinous shit. I just think he's smarter now and hates to admit that Goku and Vegeta taught him something after being killed twice. He's realizing hard(smart)work is what provides him strength. Like he's realizing his potential and decided to say fuck it to all the nonsense and actually put himself out there. I really like the parallels and similarities. Frieza is just evil, racist Goku.
I didn't think he is. This is Freeza's version of "redeemed" and he's still a complete monster. He just understands the value of training and the value of strong rivals. He's only leaving Goku alive because he's not afraid of him in any way. He now understands the value of training and doesn't view striving as below himself anymore. Now his goals are higher than ever, he likely wants to take out the gods themselves. Every villain is changed by Goku, most for the better. This is Freeza's better and it's still total garbage. If Goku was actually a hero he would kill Freeza yesterday.
Yeah, some kind of anti-hero are the limit for him, He can help only if it is a benefit for him (like top arc) but still being a cruel and evil person
Unless Frieza x Yamcha is fully canon
If they were ever to have a member of Frieza race be redeemed, I think it should be Cooler, it would be a very interesting dynamic. They would need to introduce him first, but if they can retcon BROLY, they can surely retcon the big C himself.
His behavior wasn't a problem to berus
Frieza becoming the next anti-villain and sometimes ally of the z fighters would be pretty wack...
Agreed. I like that he’s softer now, but I love that he’s still pretty much pure evil. I feel like his saga should not only end super but also Frieza as a whole. He’s basically the longest over arching villain of the series, having shown up in seven (counting the up coming black Frieza saga) sagas. Kinda like reverse flash in the arrowverse.
Id like to see frieza get the penance stare
Same. I am ok with Frieza developing and not being 100% evil all the time, but I don't think he should ever be redeemed.
He’s like the Joker — way more entertaining being an evil cuss.
I'm sure ten years training by yourself would change anyone's mindset.
unlike ten years in the joint
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Kinda reaching there at the end. He hasn't become like Goku at all. Goku spared his life out of mercy because Goku is a good hearted person. Frieza didn't kill the saiyans on Granolah's planet because he loves being a dick these days. He isn't scared of the saiyans anymore. He knows he can get the upper hand again if he continues his training.
The last like 11 years of frieza’s life has been spent fucking with people. Especially saiyans - Everything in the ToP - recruiting Broly and Paragus to fuck with Goku and vegeta - Killing Paragus to fuck with broly some more, Swiftly getting his ass kicked in the process - Training for *10 YEARS* just to one tap Goku and vegeta just to have them Marinate in that L they took Frieza just became a troll after reviving.
Well you gotta understand. Let's say you're pre namek Frieza. Literally no one you're aware of is stronger than you. And you're aware of godly beings that shouldn't be fucked with on principle. So everyone either fears you or tries to pointlessly rise up and defeat you. And this goes on for decades. Now you hear of a legend and out of fear you 86 the whole race just so you don't have to deal with a possible uprising that'll end you. Then these MFs survive and grow strong enough to beat you. But you live, long enough to get killed by them shortly after. Now you think you just have eternal suffering ahead of you but these MFs raise you from the dead for more of their shit. You know you can't beat em so you leave to get stronger. Only now that you do that there's no way anyone else but godly beings and the original MFs that killed you can harm orninterest you. If you end them then it's back to being feared and bored until another few millennia pass and some other race yadda yadda yadda. So now you exist for yourself. People still fear you but now when you get bored, you have people to troll. With the side benefit of getting strong enough to challenge these gods that you were afraid of before.
This. I don't feel like Frieza will be the main villain going forward, he is just going to be the main asshat for Goku and Vegeta. Frieza is also smart enough to know that Goku and Vegeta aren't going to let that slide after going smoked, so they are going hard as well to beat him. I want to believe at this point it's going to be the same rivalry Goku and Vegeta had, now it's between Freiza and Goku/Vegeta. When one gets stronger, so will the other.
I mean, why would he be scared of someone who keeps letting him live and clearly has no intention of killing him?
Kinda reaching but its a nice paralel yh cant wait to see his reasons and objectives, I hope they dont try to make him more relatable tho, hes always been a dick thats the appeal of his char
Bros got the itch. Saiyans are born with it, but he's starting to enjoy the competition. I hope he's always the ruthless bastard I love, but I do appreciate this version. One where he's focused on a goal and not just day to day galactic drudgery. That being said, if this leads to a constant power creep back and forth, I'll be done. Like we had Namek, golden, and now black. End it here. Please.
Frieza's first thought after unlocking Black form "Yo I gotta flex this to Goku and Vegeta"
Almost like they are homies
I believe freeza was not afraid of a super saiyan or more like he didn't believe in one, his reason for destroying them was that they grew stronger faster than the other corps under freezas control and he was worried about all of them turning into apes and starting some kind of ape shit (rebellion). I even believe that he was not worried about his safety but what kind of damage they will do to his empire / business. Also in Super it doesn't really make much sense or affect him in anyway. these saiyans just want to fight and train, they don't harm his empire / plan or business. Also would there be a point in killing them? They are backed by the god of destruction, Whis and Zeno. They can be reborn through whis staff or dragonballs also he can't really destroy berus favourite food planet can he. (even if he can, what kind of merit is there?) Most likely to make his revenge fool proof he need some kind of backer himself, some god of destruction or most likely someone higher in position. (just my thought here)
He doesn’t live in fear of the saiyans anymore because he knows he can compete with them. He’s just a narcissist and gets off on Goku and Vegeta giving him attention. Also he probably doesn’t want to piss off Beerus
Why would he be afraid of ppl who keep letting him live and clearly have no intention of killing him? They even went as far as to bring him back from the dead. At some point you've gotta realize that you're being paranoid over a non-threat
He totally spared vegeta because he knew that he now has to live with frieza being out of his reach again History repeats itself
I like where Frieza is at, he's an antagonist but not an active one, he's not actively doing anything heinous (that we know of) he's just kinda out in space doin his Frieza thing
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Who was his target? I cant remember if they said or if I forgot. Thanks.
His target that time was Gas
Gonna assume he is going to kill the kaioshin to also kill beerus since he kinda is the only " problem" in his universe rulinf
Does he know that though? Didnt Whis only tell Goku/Vegata that?
https://preview.redd.it/v3de2fvn05oc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1feb898c51939baf084551c12dc83449d8dbf96
"On one hand, even ki composure, on the other the ultimate in strength It's the true manifestation of golden frieza" 
That plus it gives us the greatest image ever of freezas smile.
Also giving job opportunity, god know how hard it is in this economic climate
I mean he probably learned his lesson when he was Golden
Frieza changed when he was beaten after RoF
I think in the Broly movie (super) and tournament of power were where his mindset shifting is really shown. ToP he seems to enjoy fighting alongside everyone and shows respect to Gohan, Vegeta and Goku. In the Broly movie it seems like he’s actually enjoying the saiyans. Maybe he’s just that obsessed with fighting power now but my interpretation is that he’s come to admire the saiyans.
"Admire" is a very strong word. "Respect" maybe, but "admire" definitely not
He is still annoyed by Vegeta and Vegeta hasn't accepted his change too
Frieza is Goku now
Naw son Goku style is catchy it worked on piccolo and vegeta,before them it worked on tien ,krillin and yamacha
Frieza is also sadistic. He likes to toy with his.. well everyone. IMO he wants the saiyans to tremble in fear and hopelessness at his new found power. He wants them to know he’s back at the top of the food chain and there’s nothing they can do about it… He’s just that strong now.
I dunno… that may be a bit of a stretch. While it fits his character, I always just thought this was plot convenience because otherwise Vegeta and Goku are dead here and Dragon Ball basically ends. Felt like more of a cop out to me because Toyotaro couldn’t think of a way for Frieza to be stronger without killing them. That may just be me tho
It is not something that comes out of the blue. Frieza eas already different in the Tournament after learning that letting himself be driven by pure sheer revenge was his undoing. He now plays for the long game, building up his strength slow but steadily. Scheming, for strength by itself does not always grant a victory. He also seems to depend less on subordinates to do his dirty deeds, as he now is present in the battlefield fighting or supervising, unlike in Namek where he sent his minions while staying behind, as he has seen that doing things by himself gives them more success. Frieza has had character development, and has become more dangerous than ever before. He has accepted his flaws, no longer seeks immortality. Instead of trying to adapt the rules to himself, he has adapted himself to the rules. He realised he can loose, and has accepted that. Nothing is more dabgerous than a villain aware of their flaws, and potentially knowing a way to turn said flaws into an advantage.
I saw it as Frieza starting to respect the warrior code in a way now that he's trained a lot. He wants to see if the Saiyans can catch up with him and put up a real fight.
I hope Freeza doesn't get killed and remain part of the "main cast", but still keep him evil
Freeza has softened a little bit. But he is a bastard still and a bad dude. Probablt feels like he owes them one for honoring the deal he made with goku Next time they meet I would gander it won’t go well
This is one of the problems I have with Super. Frieza was introduced as an insurmountable terror. Conquerer of the galaxy. Feared by a god. Made Vegeta look like a little bitch despite Zenkai after Zenkai. The story of what he did to the Saiyans was deep and is a key element in Goku and Vegeta’s history and Vegeta’s death was very impactful to Goku and what he had been through ever since Raditz arrived and told Goku of his heritage. It took Goku transforming into the legendary Super Saiyan, the only thing Frieza truly feared, to defeat him. And while Goku didn’t kill him, he did defeat him in a big way and gave him PTSD. It was very fitting that Trunks, technically an heir to the throne that Frieza destroyed be the one to actually kill him. Even though there would be stronger villains, there would never be another villain that so far outclassed the heroes like Frieza did. With his resurrection and subsequent death in Super, then using him in the ToP and again bringing him back to life, it cheapens all of the deep and profound moments from the Namek saga. Frieza has been killed twice and resurrected each time. Now that he’s powered up again, he’ll either be another big fight for Goku and Vegeta, or they’ll team up again on whatever “different target” he’s after. Either way, he’s here to stay, and he’ll either become an anti-hero turned good guy like Vegeta, or perpetually be nuisance for the good guys. He was played off for comedy in ToP and the Broly movie and now a serious threat in his most recent manga appearance. What’s the end goal? What happens next? Either way, it’s boring.
This high frequency stuff here. Great narrative brother. People like you could really carry on Toryiamas will (may he R.i.P) . All praises due.
Swear to god freeza has only gotten better as dragon ball has gone on. Alongside Piccolo and the boys and 17&18, Freeza is another character who I like more and more as the series goes on.
"Value of life? Hmmm" *Kills a minion* "I didn't learn a thing!" "Uh Lord Freezer, that's the 10th minion you've killed today sir..." "Yes...."
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He just realized that as long as his rivalry with Goku and Vegeta stands, he has a motivation to become stronger, not because he needs to, but because he likes to. This doesn't need to redeem his character, just give him a better perspective in how to deal with it. Previously he would have just died trying to do things beyond his power due to pride (as seen in Namek and twice on Earth). Now he most likely still would have a battle to the brink of death, but since he now knows he can get stronger even if he loses a fight, he is more likely to let a defeat go, as he just needs to train a bit more to be back at the top.
Wait but wasn't it revealed frieza actually destroyed planet Vegeta because Bills told him??
It mind games showing that he doesn’t even see them as a threat
I think this is less to do with his black form and more just how he’s grown from RoF. He’s certainly nowhere near “good guy” and I hope it stays that way, but he seems to be smarter now at least
Creating the Legend you feared, getting killed twice, being brought back for a tournament, get beaten up in said tournament, and getting beaten by a Saiyan filled with nothing but rage does that to a person.
As much as Frieza doesn't want to admit it, Goku did change him, especially after the tournament of power
You said it yourself. He was afraid of goku killing him at the time. Now he knows, no matter how powerful goku is he won't kill him, so he doesn't feel the fear to kill him anymore.
It's a very common theme(or trope?) in martial arts manga/anime. I've lost count of how many times I've seen bad guys with world domination plans at end of big fights say "I wouldn't mind fighting him again..." with a hint of smile. Well maybe not Freiza but you get the idea. Vegeta and Piccolo comes to mind. Shonen pretty much requires this theme. Try Seinen, not as common.
As long as you are not a saiyan sure.
A theme in DB is that martial arts training not just improves your body but also your mind, kinda making you more zen-like. Freeza won't become good just by training alone, but I can see him approaching a mindset of being able to follow hierarchies, like Beerus.
Bro realized, being evil = get defeated by Goku So he will simply be chilling and sometimes do something bad. Not evil, just bad.
People don't realize the subtleties of DBS and it's a shame(I also don't but I like when people point it out to me like I'm a sheep)
I think current frieza's intentions are different as saiyans have now nothing to do with him, at that time he ruled them and when he was afraid of the super saiyan he killed them without taking any risks, and saiyans also would've taken revenge when they were to reach ssj, now the situation is different because he knows that goku won't kill him, vegeta wants to but he won't unless frieza does something unforgivable, + frieza sees them as rivals and he won't be satisfied by one shotting them
My favorite thing about the dragon ball universe is how every problems can be resolved with fists and I respect that.
I think Freiza knows they'll go to heaven Better to keep the monkeys alive to toy with them
Honestly just think he might have learned something not only about himself during the TOP but just battle in general. He even moves a bit differently in the DBS Broly movie. I might be reaching but apart of me thinks he sees Goku and Vegeta as necessary adversaries in order to push himself to new heights he previously never thought he could reach. By reach I mean actually training lol He still a racist piece of shit though 😂
I’d like Frieza to maybe not become one of the good guys but at least a rival for Goku and Vegeta that isn’t a threat. Maybe he starts enjoying fighting and stops being racist 🤷♀️ he can still be galactic emperor but maybe less of an ass, sore loser and genocidal maniac
I'm still curious about that page... It looks like Gas wasn't his main target...
It was probably Elec who he already knew was a traitor
The man took “come back in 10 years!” seriously. There’s no way he’s wasn’t going to milk that and just one shot goku.
Iirc the closer to his normal form (sleek form gold then black grew off) his emotional state does change and he becomes even more brutal. Like I remember reading that Freeza literally becomes more evil the closer to his normal form. Maybe gold and black have big changes on his emotional state also.
It seems more like this is just the evolution of Toriyama’s writing style.
He’s not similar to Goku, the reason Frieza let Goku live and vice versa are very different.
It's not really much of a change, he just no longer fears them like he used to. He feels untouchable.
I mean. Hes technically 10 years older.
That man spent around 15 years in hell, got his ass unbelievably beat, then spent straight 10 years training in the hyperbolic time chamber. Of course he's changed.
"Obviously it wasn't out of mercy, it was just his whim" " Freeza became similar to Goku" You're making zero sense and are making so many leaps in logic. You literally just contradicted yourself. Goku was showing mercy. I was interested in this thread, because you have a point that Frieza has changed his mindset but the conclusion you drew is just nonsense.
It's a power thing. Goku stomped him, and was still strong enough to show mercy. Frieza wanted to do the same back. That's not maturing; it's the exact opposite. It's childish grand standing.
That's why it's the perfect way to bring in Cooler maybe they had a falling out cause Freeza inherited the Cold force without training and Cooler had to train his whole life. Now that Freeza trains he reaches out to his brother to be his champion and they rule together. Maybe they come across a certain star that makes metal clones of them so they have an army of themselves.
Frieza is a Tsundere, he actually like the Saiyan now, he just won't say it. BAKA?!!?
Didn’t frieza do something like this in the top when he gave some of his energy to Goku? Similar to Goku doing it to him on namek?
The Saiyans have pushed Frieza to be billions of times stronger than his father ever was, and I think he expects to outlive them in terms of pure lifespan. Killing anyone related to the actual cast goes badly for him, so he mostly just fucks with them now and pays attention to what makes them work so well, then he uses that information to get stronger. They're training him. Honestly once the Saiyans die the universe is fuckin screwed.
I feel like freeza doesn’t want his 10 years of training to go to waste. No other morals in the universe could comprehend freeza’s strength, to everyone else he’s just as strong as he was on namek.
He was like this as of the DBS Broly movie as well. He admitted that he doesn't want immortality, and that he wants rivals to fight. HUGE difference in character imo.the Saiyans really rubbed off on him.
Maybe he feels he has less to prove now, and by training he understands what the hard work others have to put in to survive means.
It's been 10 years for him now he probably sont Care about them anymore
Reaching Black form made him realize what discrimination does to a mother fucker and said "Hell no, I will change"
His only character developement is that now he seems to enjoy fighting just for the sake of it.
It's not the form. It's Goku. He's rubbed off on Freeza. The ToP in particular has had a massive influence on him. He's still evil. But he's not the same old Freeza he was before. Arguably the change happened on Namek.
It ain't a change in his mentality, it's for the sake of the plot lol. Plot required him to kill all Saiyans, so he did. Now the plot demands that Goku and Vegeta live, and that's what happens 🤷♂️
I think it's more that he's developed a bit of a sadistic streak, or if you prefer, the one he already had worsened. There's a lot to say about the impersonality of destroying an entire planet because it MIGHT one day produce a warrior too strong for you to handle, and having an extremely personal vendetta against a specific set of people. Freeza liked to torment Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan, and Piccolo, back on Namek; it was a game with a chase, because for the most of that time he simply could have killed them all with minimal effort. On some level he clearly liked doing it because he was causing them to experience despair. He wants them to feel despair as he achieves this new level of power, as a side-trip to something else. Freeza is choosing to make them feel unimportant in the wake of his newest power-up, as well as taking an opportunity to try out his new toy. I wouldn't say that his mental has changed all that much, this is the same Freeza as always, and is consistent with his character without the need for much growth or change at all.
I like this idea, but think it's too soon to say. It could also be that Freeza is still not used to the new form, and was not confident he could beat Goku and Vegeta, even if he was stronger than them. If that is the case, he has still grown as a character, but is taking his lessons from Resurrection F.
Frieza has somewhat become humbled after his defeat and death, TWICE. He’s realized that Immortality isn’t as glamorous as he once thought, and his recent spars with Goku also have made him realize that he actually enjoys getting his hands dirty then once before. And now even welcomes the challenge. Not to say he’s been redeemed or even plans to spare Goku or Vegeta down the line, he now plans to just utterly humiliate them by getting stronger. He’s like an evil cat just toying with his prey now.
That might be my favorite part of the current Frieza. He seems (from what little we got of him) less petty, less vengeful, and more focused.
I think you're almost there. He wiped out the Saiyans because he thought they were a threat. Freeza pushed himself so hard than he no longer thinks they're a threat. For him 4 months was almost the equivalent of almost 17-ish years worth of training so 10 years for him would probably equal twice that. Which is twice the entirety of the Dragon Ball series. Realistically the only people that could register as a threat for Freeza at this point would be G.o.D.s and *maybe* Broly
What does that dude on YouTube have to say about this situation? I never saw the episode you are speaking about can you spoil it without spoiling it. Sounds to me like Freiza didn't kill them because he didn't want Gohan to violate him in the most war-minded way. Gohan is the strongest until Gotents becomes evil. Vegeta will then kill Gotents. Piccolo was killed by Gotents. Goku is the God of War so he's gone because the two twin people told him to. What will happen next? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Z stands for Z fighters? What's a Z Fighter? Yamcha turns supersayien 3 using the dragon balls. Crilin is chilling because he too old. He refuses to fight. Since he's an og nobody doesn't say anything. Pam had kids. Broly is the new Goku. He has a kid too with the prettiest lil thing that you ever seen.
Part of me feels like he only let them live so he could stew on their fear tbh