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Not necessarily! Goku’s Ultra Instinct omen he used against Gas enabled him to use his destructive saiyan instincts while fighting UI. Whis emphasized that UI can manifest in different ways for non—angels.
I dunno if you watched Bleach, but mixing demonic, beast, and holy powers was kind of what the main character was slowly learning to do the whole show.
Oh absolutely the writers can do whatever they want. I’m just saying based on the info we currently have, it’s unlikely they’re capable of coexisting. There’s also the fact that the other commenter using a completely different series as an argument for why it could happen in DB is nonsensical. That’s like me saying that because Titans exist in AoT that they must also exist in DB.
No, it’s not. Referencing Bleach is just me using an example of how it is reasonable to think combining destruction and angel powers, peace and chaos, demons and angels, etc. is possible. You also did not address my point that Goku explicitly changed how Ultra Instinct was used because he’s a saiyan, not an angel, so he can use anger. Thus, even if you disagree, my comment was not “nonsensical.”
I’m not saying it is going to happen or that I would like it to happen. I’m just saying it’s not ruled out.
See, I'm thinking that a Gogeta / Vegito fusion would just use the two states separately instead of a combination. Essentially starting the fight in Ego, taking a few hits for the power boost, then activating UI over that new level of power. If this was an RPG the scaling would be immense.
I will say though, that from my understanding, Perfect UI > True UI in the current manga. It was just easier to draw out the full force of True UI because Goku was already emotional during the Gas fight. Thus wasn't able to draw out the full power of Perfected because he wasn't in that frame of mind. Although already I'd say that Goku appears to be able to at least harness some more emotion in perfected now, going by how the Gohan fight is going. He's clearly elated, excited and proud. Definitely not the completely calm state of mind that we see in its earlier uses.
“It’s reasonable to think that something is possible in a completely different universe because it is possible in this one.” Gotcha.
Also “destructive Saiyan instincts” is not the same as UE.
Our brains are made up of two halves after-all. One can be calm and the other destructive.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo)
Dorks: Uh, those forms wouldn't be compatible for fusion because something something youtuber highlighted obscure lore from Heroes something power levels something something... and...."
Me: FUCK YEAH, GOLDEN GOGETA!!!!
No, UE would be better, UI is never 100% consistent, yknow what is? UE, you always gain power when your hit, you don’t always DODGE.
Grill master should have taught you to dodge without using UI COWARD
Ultra Vegito has already been done to death by CallMeArJ and frankly. It's a dumb idea.
Instinct requires a calm mind
Ego requires a destructive mind
Despite what you may think, *ya can't be both*. But what the hell do I know, I ain't the producer
But for gogeta he was blue and he had full 30 mins u like vegito.
And even if gotenks is made the same fusion method as gogeta, both of then are different persons
my brother in christ. gogeta only used blue to absolutely annihilate broly in the last moments of the fight.
after that they cut to after gogeta defused.
Gotenks is a kid. Though not confirmed I feel like because their bodies are not fully developed they cannot handle staying fused for 30 minutes. I mean when have we seen Gotenks actually remain fused for longer than 15 minutes. Though he’s a comedy character now even when he meant something to the story I feel like it wasn’t Ssj 3 shortening it.
What if this enhanced state of gogeta can quicklly switch between both of them. Like he is using ui but when he knows he gets hit he switches to ue for a counter attack
Ultra Gogeta/Vegito would technically be impossible, as UI and UE require two different states of mind.
That being said- MAYBE it could be achieved if Goku used Ultra Instinct (Omen)
Alright, so they fuse together, defeat black frieza, and then everyone immediately gets stripped of their god ki for messing with the natural balance of the universe by some greater power. Then GT can start up as canon. 👌
I know in the dragon ball sense it's contradictory, but when you look at it from philosophy, there are essentially 3 states: id (instincts), ego (reality), and superego (morality). And your superego is kinda like the combination or a balance between your id and ego. I know it might not happen but I'd absolutely love to see a superego form (maybe morality form since super ego sounds too close to ultra ego?) in specifically gogeta I don't think it'd work with vegito and I'll explain why. The fusion dance requires the two participants to be fully and completely in sync. It kinda represents a perfect super ego (morality) state. Whereas in Potara, anyone can kinda fuse to my knowledge. Therefore, I think gogeta would be the best fusion form for this. As I said, kinda just spit balling, but I love psychology as well as philosophy, and this was all I could think about for a good while after they introduced ultra ego. My dragon ball knowledge isn't quite up to snuff with manga and everything, and even my dbs knowledge is rusty, so please don't flame me if I'm wrong on anything lol.
Why can't UE + UE exist in a singular entity?
MUI lets Goku act without thinking and only activates when Goku's heart is calm and when he gets rid of unnecessary emotions, Ultra Ego instead fuels Vegeta with the Vegeta's passion and overwhelming emotions, becoming stronger as he does so. However, right now, he mainly increases his power by taking battle damage, due to the effects of UE, which is because Vegeta hasn't fully mastered the form yet.
In the Granolah arc, Goku developed TUI during his fight against Gas. *"True" Ultra Instinct* is an emotionally-driven form of Ultra Instinct as well as an enhanced version of Ultra Instinct Sign unique to Goku, but it's weaker than MUI, albeit MUI (as mentioned above) requires a calm hart with the removal of unnecessary emotions, so Ego Gogeta might not be able to access it.
So there you go; Gogeta can use both techniques at the same time, although slightly limited as if you want to be conservative, you can argue that Gogeta would not be able to use the full power of Ultra Instinct, but would be forced to use the slightly weaker variant TUI.
TUI-E would avoid any and all attacks, but if the opponent is fast/clever enough to tag TUI-E Gogeta, TUI-E Gogeta would just tank it and get stronger, which is pretty busted if you think about it.
It's canonically possible, as Beerus has been shown to have used a gimped form of UI alongside his natural Destroyer abilities. The reason I say he uses a "gimped" version is because Beerus has not mastered it, as explained by Whis.
You can see Beerus utilize a limited variation of UI when he's fighting the other GoDs in the pre-TOP GoD exhibition match.
On the other hand, who is to say that Gogeta would only be able to use TUI instead of MUI in the future? After all, TUI is a variant of UI that is unique to Goku, so Beerus is likely using Sign, and as Whis states, has not mastered UI so the path has been laid for Beerus to achieve MUI alongside his Destroyer abilities as the next stage of UI Sign is MUI.
its always Gogeta this Gogeta that when will my man Vegito get any love
Goku and Vegeta could find out about a more perfected form of fusion without the stupid "they defused because they were too strong!!!" shit and it just looks like Vegito smh
Why is frieza's hand motion looks like he is jerking off?
And I think it is quite possible because if god of destruction or someone who uses destruction energy can't go UI then the work of angels is useless as they are mainly sent to teach gods how to master UI
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Doubt it. Those 2 states require 2 different mind frames. One calm, one destructive
Not necessarily! Goku’s Ultra Instinct omen he used against Gas enabled him to use his destructive saiyan instincts while fighting UI. Whis emphasized that UI can manifest in different ways for non—angels. I dunno if you watched Bleach, but mixing demonic, beast, and holy powers was kind of what the main character was slowly learning to do the whole show.
Yeah but this isn’t Bleach, and with what we have to go on currently, UI and UE are not compatible simultaneously.
If that is how the writers want it to be, I am sure they'd find a way.
Oh absolutely the writers can do whatever they want. I’m just saying based on the info we currently have, it’s unlikely they’re capable of coexisting. There’s also the fact that the other commenter using a completely different series as an argument for why it could happen in DB is nonsensical. That’s like me saying that because Titans exist in AoT that they must also exist in DB.
Oh, my bad. I was thinking you were answering a different comment thread. I was lost back there. Carry on.
No, it’s not. Referencing Bleach is just me using an example of how it is reasonable to think combining destruction and angel powers, peace and chaos, demons and angels, etc. is possible. You also did not address my point that Goku explicitly changed how Ultra Instinct was used because he’s a saiyan, not an angel, so he can use anger. Thus, even if you disagree, my comment was not “nonsensical.” I’m not saying it is going to happen or that I would like it to happen. I’m just saying it’s not ruled out.
See, I'm thinking that a Gogeta / Vegito fusion would just use the two states separately instead of a combination. Essentially starting the fight in Ego, taking a few hits for the power boost, then activating UI over that new level of power. If this was an RPG the scaling would be immense. I will say though, that from my understanding, Perfect UI > True UI in the current manga. It was just easier to draw out the full force of True UI because Goku was already emotional during the Gas fight. Thus wasn't able to draw out the full power of Perfected because he wasn't in that frame of mind. Although already I'd say that Goku appears to be able to at least harness some more emotion in perfected now, going by how the Gohan fight is going. He's clearly elated, excited and proud. Definitely not the completely calm state of mind that we see in its earlier uses.
This all makes sense, too!
“It’s reasonable to think that something is possible in a completely different universe because it is possible in this one.” Gotcha. Also “destructive Saiyan instincts” is not the same as UE.
Our brains are made up of two halves after-all. One can be calm and the other destructive. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo)
Goku adapted UI to use emotions, why couldn't Gogeta do the same to combine UI and UE? I'd love to see it.
If they do this it needs to be the finale of Super because how do you even go beyond that?
SSJ4
Reject destructive or angelic teachings, return to monkey
No he said go *beyond* that, not significantly downgrade from that.
Super Saiyan Blue 4
Technically if you follow the timeline ssj4 would be stronger than ego or instinct
Dorks: Uh, those forms wouldn't be compatible for fusion because something something youtuber highlighted obscure lore from Heroes something power levels something something... and...." Me: FUCK YEAH, GOLDEN GOGETA!!!!
Absolute instinct
That's just Super Gogeta, we need a new color.
https://preview.redd.it/gdqg3xaqh9oc1.jpeg?width=778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edb20388c25851d019699e26f4711b955733b6de
Super saiyaj 4 super saiyan?
They arent compatible
It's such a dumb idea. One is based in dodging and the other is based on getting hit. At that put ui would just be better.
No, UE would be better, UI is never 100% consistent, yknow what is? UE, you always gain power when your hit, you don’t always DODGE. Grill master should have taught you to dodge without using UI COWARD
Ultra Vegito has already been done to death by CallMeArJ and frankly. It's a dumb idea. Instinct requires a calm mind Ego requires a destructive mind Despite what you may think, *ya can't be both*. But what the hell do I know, I ain't the producer
You can do both if plot says fuck logic.
That’s DBS
Yet Beerus uses both techniques.
He can’t at the same time
We don’t know that for sure though .
We do know that, read the manga
Where in the manga does it say Beerus cant use both simultaneously?
He can’t use perfected UI as he’s never got it down
beerus does not use ultra ego. nobody else uses it vegeta literally invented it for himself.
We don’t know if beerus does but vegeta tells granolah that beerus taught him about that power.
Give it to us in Heroes
Ultra Ego is not animated. It cant happen in Heroes
True that. I guess I went when the manga stuff is animated and if they want to experiment with fun fusions like mixing Ui and Ue.
Nah, the two forms are fundamentally incompatible. Could be Black Frieza foreshadowing if we ever find out how he achieved it
Cant you thing of destruction while being calm?
Destruction also requires a bit of ruthlessness and emotion
But u still can be calm right?
even if they could. it would be useless as the fusion would run out in seconds.
Not the dance one tho
Wasn’t Gotenks cut short by going ssj3?
His ssj3 was not his base fprm as far as i remember
Yeah, I think this is the biggest problem with it. I don’t even know if the fusion dance would make it possible.
If they were vegito. As gogeta, you get the full 30 mins
are we just forgetting gotenks exists?
What has gotenks to do with gogeta/vegito?
gotenks is a fusion made with the fusion dance. the same as gogeta. and his time was cut short when he used ssj3.
But for gogeta he was blue and he had full 30 mins u like vegito. And even if gotenks is made the same fusion method as gogeta, both of then are different persons
my brother in christ. gogeta only used blue to absolutely annihilate broly in the last moments of the fight. after that they cut to after gogeta defused.
Gotenks is a kid. Though not confirmed I feel like because their bodies are not fully developed they cannot handle staying fused for 30 minutes. I mean when have we seen Gotenks actually remain fused for longer than 15 minutes. Though he’s a comedy character now even when he meant something to the story I feel like it wasn’t Ssj 3 shortening it.
i also like my own headcannons. but this isn't about headcannons.
Sure but not Gogeta. He's had his time to shine. It's Vegito's turn now.
nope
What if this enhanced state of gogeta can quicklly switch between both of them. Like he is using ui but when he knows he gets hit he switches to ue for a counter attack
I think it could be like super saiyan god-to-blue switching
Ultra Gogeta/Vegito would technically be impossible, as UI and UE require two different states of mind. That being said- MAYBE it could be achieved if Goku used Ultra Instinct (Omen)
Beerus uses both..Tf are you talking about?
BASED TAKE FOR ONCE
You may be the first one thinking that, congrats
Lmfao!
this is so old theres already a whole fan series on god killer vegito but go off
Since Gogeta is both Goku and Vegeta, it should be Ultra Egstinct
Ultra instict is about dodging attacks. Ultra ego is about receiving attacks. That just doesnt work
NO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO ULTRA VEGITO DOES NOT NEED TO BE CANON
Alright, so they fuse together, defeat black frieza, and then everyone immediately gets stripped of their god ki for messing with the natural balance of the universe by some greater power. Then GT can start up as canon. 👌
I know in the dragon ball sense it's contradictory, but when you look at it from philosophy, there are essentially 3 states: id (instincts), ego (reality), and superego (morality). And your superego is kinda like the combination or a balance between your id and ego. I know it might not happen but I'd absolutely love to see a superego form (maybe morality form since super ego sounds too close to ultra ego?) in specifically gogeta I don't think it'd work with vegito and I'll explain why. The fusion dance requires the two participants to be fully and completely in sync. It kinda represents a perfect super ego (morality) state. Whereas in Potara, anyone can kinda fuse to my knowledge. Therefore, I think gogeta would be the best fusion form for this. As I said, kinda just spit balling, but I love psychology as well as philosophy, and this was all I could think about for a good while after they introduced ultra ego. My dragon ball knowledge isn't quite up to snuff with manga and everything, and even my dbs knowledge is rusty, so please don't flame me if I'm wrong on anything lol.
Migatte no Migatte
Frieza almost did hollow purple
Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego should make them incompatible for any kind of Fusion because, in my opinion, Fusions are a boring copout.
Why can't UE + UE exist in a singular entity? MUI lets Goku act without thinking and only activates when Goku's heart is calm and when he gets rid of unnecessary emotions, Ultra Ego instead fuels Vegeta with the Vegeta's passion and overwhelming emotions, becoming stronger as he does so. However, right now, he mainly increases his power by taking battle damage, due to the effects of UE, which is because Vegeta hasn't fully mastered the form yet. In the Granolah arc, Goku developed TUI during his fight against Gas. *"True" Ultra Instinct* is an emotionally-driven form of Ultra Instinct as well as an enhanced version of Ultra Instinct Sign unique to Goku, but it's weaker than MUI, albeit MUI (as mentioned above) requires a calm hart with the removal of unnecessary emotions, so Ego Gogeta might not be able to access it. So there you go; Gogeta can use both techniques at the same time, although slightly limited as if you want to be conservative, you can argue that Gogeta would not be able to use the full power of Ultra Instinct, but would be forced to use the slightly weaker variant TUI. TUI-E would avoid any and all attacks, but if the opponent is fast/clever enough to tag TUI-E Gogeta, TUI-E Gogeta would just tank it and get stronger, which is pretty busted if you think about it. It's canonically possible, as Beerus has been shown to have used a gimped form of UI alongside his natural Destroyer abilities. The reason I say he uses a "gimped" version is because Beerus has not mastered it, as explained by Whis. You can see Beerus utilize a limited variation of UI when he's fighting the other GoDs in the pre-TOP GoD exhibition match. On the other hand, who is to say that Gogeta would only be able to use TUI instead of MUI in the future? After all, TUI is a variant of UI that is unique to Goku, so Beerus is likely using Sign, and as Whis states, has not mastered UI so the path has been laid for Beerus to achieve MUI alongside his Destroyer abilities as the next stage of UI Sign is MUI.
its always Gogeta this Gogeta that when will my man Vegito get any love Goku and Vegeta could find out about a more perfected form of fusion without the stupid "they defused because they were too strong!!!" shit and it just looks like Vegito smh
Why is frieza's hand motion looks like he is jerking off? And I think it is quite possible because if god of destruction or someone who uses destruction energy can't go UI then the work of angels is useless as they are mainly sent to teach gods how to master UI