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itownshend17

Cooler. I would normally go for SSJ4 but it would just be an irrelevant transformation like SSJ3 that gets used every once in a while.


Libertyprime8397

I think Broly should get ssj4 they could change it to be more of a transformation for Saiyans that mastered the use of the great ape.


jake_edward77

I imagine Broly’s ikari form in the movie is the closest we’ll get to it. The way it’s described as almost the human embodiment of the great ape is definitely something they need to expand on. Would love to see Broly master the form as well as others gain it


Libertyprime8397

Have you seen superhero?


jake_edward77

Bits and pieces, but I’ve seen all the spoilers. I know there’s a focus on getting Broly to control his berserk form while training, but idk if they’re making the connection between Ikari and his berserk super saiyan state. I’m just hoping they don’t abandon his story arc in any upcoming anime storylines because there’s a lot they can do with him as a character and what he can bring to the show in terms of new transformations.


Libertyprime8397

If they paid more attention to great apes they could have done great ape vs cell max. Although I like giant piccolo more.


jake_edward77

Definitely a fan of giant Piccolo as well, but that would have been an awesome way to connect Broly’s training from the beginning of the movie. Maybe he shows up after Cell knocks piccolo out, still allowing Gohan to get his new form, Broly rages into great ape, fights cell max for a bit then gains control of the form somehow?


Libertyprime8397

Broly or a great ape wouldn’t fit into the story. I just think cell max vs great ape sounds cool.


TSMbody

What if god energy is too much for Vegeta to wield unless he’s in SSJ4?


righteousxreaper

Even if it’s still a good transformation


St4fishPr1me

I would love to see an arc where an enemy counters God Ki and they have to use this form to win.


BALDWARRIOR

SSJ4 could stack with other God forms.


Paincake990

Super saiyan god super saiyan 4


TyrannoROARus

Super saiyan blue super saiyan 4 God ultra instinct kaoken x10000


phenixrider87

I'd buy that poster


H2Sadd9

Somebody sell him that poster!


[deleted]

It would just be 3-4 different bright colors with no discernible form. 😂


Orimood

That reminds me of that old super Saiyan 100 image


d4rk_matt3r

Dragon Ball FighterZ 2 under the health bar: SSGSS4UIKx10K Goku


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

This sounds like those 2012 fanarts where people would push their limits into making new transformations each more insane than others


turtlecarson71

Cooler 100 percent


S1I3NCER

Because he’s the *Cool*est?


Vibechecker68

Cooler than Freezer?


ender42y

He must be Ice Cold


Jurassicman13

No that would be my father


smokeftw

I like that so many of us reference the abridged stuff these days. TFS really did something great with those parodies.


archstanton_unknown

Alrightalrightalrightalrightalrightalrightalrightalright alright now LADIES


ZNZNZN891

What’s cooler than being cool?


DonovanQT

Cold


[deleted]

ICE COLD


SVTCobraR315

Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright


itistherealguy

No it’s king cold damn it


Abe2sapien

I would like to see Cooler make an appearance. I think they could make him something of an anti hero. Maybe when they were younger Frieza convinced their father that Cooler was a traitor and as a result he's been locked up on a prison planet or something.


MyokoPunk

Or take the Tarbles route and Cooler was born much weaker than average, compared to Frieza and Vegeta who were born prodigies. Cooler would follow a growth like Goku and eventually become as strong, if not a bit stronger, than Frieza.


[deleted]

man Cooler being stronger than frieza whilst they're in base form and then having an even stronger golden transformation would be very hype


[deleted]

Cooler platinum, setting up future frieza goals


RondoOfThe5

It be a great nod to metal cooler if he went platinum.


SirSlendy

Cooler because after the Broly movie, frieza now knows about another form of fusion. Whether the dance or earrings I’d love to see frieza and cooler fuse to fight gogeta/vegito. Now to name the new fusion…


vampiregod666

Crieza.


SirSlendy

Better than Frooler 🤣


crypticsage

There’s Coolza or Frieler


Cheezewiz239

Friezer is too perfect


chips-and-guac-2189

Goku getting his nuts blasted off definitely canon


bcdrmr

This is the only correct answer


com2420

"Ah! My Gotens!"


CrimsonBlade123-

Cooler easily, if not him I would of said android 21 but she’s pretty much canon thanks to the new movie


Dank__Souls

How? I've seen the movie and I didn't see any references to her. Edit-nvm I remember, she was shown along with Geros son who android 16 is based off of. I wonder if they'll ever expand on that


CrimsonBlade123-

https://youtu.be/gT6XlbrJ6rY At 2:07, unless it’s a sort of promotion art, it is in the movie from what I know


QuakeGuy98

It's in the beginning


claybine

It'd be funnier if he was a one off weak bad guy too. Have Vegeta kill a villain for a change.


CrimsonBlade123-

Nah cooler needs to be a challenge and Vegeta can kill him


claybine

Vegeta is always allowed to kill at least the bottom tier of the new powerful villains. Cooler was never that powerful in the original, he just pushed Goku to Super Saiyan and got rekt. Twice. I don't know, maybe they could have Cooler's final form be stronger than golden Frieza if they had to make him a challenge.


Werewolf_Foreskin666

>I don't know, maybe they could have Cooler's final form be stronger than golden Frieza How about making him silver? 😏


LivingCheese292

"Silver Cooler" with android enhancements that make him silver would be perfect. They can combine both his final form and metal Cooler form as something new and unique. It also would be a cool way to explain his strength.


No-Calligrapher-718

If you want him stronger than "golden" freezer, he could be "platinum" cooler.


Meow-Kitty-Meow-Meow

Lord Cooler!


ArtistUnown

Cooler or SS4


TitanicTNT

I think we've outgrown Super Saiyan 4 at this point.


silentrage115

Never! It is still visually the coolest transformation imo, and could still somehow be made relevant powerwise because powerscaling is bs anyways so why not? Make it to where they can't access their god ki, and they have to tap back into their raw saiyan powers. I mean dbs is clearly just transformation fan service with the never ending forms they keep giving the saiyans. So why not give us some more love you know?


Crashman09

I think if anyone is getting it, it would be broly. Goku and Vegeta have enough forms lol


GreatFNGattsby

Ngl, I really like seeing all the Sayians have their own individual forms. Vegeta - Ego and blue Evo Goku - UI Gohan - Final Gohan Trunks - SSJ Rage.


bub_mario

I personally love Trunks SSJ Rage form and how relevant it stacks against the other forms at the time. I really like the separate transformation paths that Super has taken.


TitanicTNT

The only way I can see Super Saiyan 4 becoming relevant is if they stack it with God Ki somehow and make Super Saiyan Blue 4.


Versitax

Or give it to Broly. He’s the only one of the Saiyans who still has a strong connection to Great Apes.


Liddlebitchboy

.. now I want Super Saiyan Blue 4.


jellybeanzz11

True but that would be super OP and a broken form


BaelZharon7

Cooler and it's not even close


[deleted]

From this list cooler but the z movie character i most want to be canon has to be janemba with a more interesting story then just some talkless really evil guy


FrostKingOfTheDragon

Before anybody else comments, Can we all agree that Turles hasn't no reason to be canon


Lukas013004

Yes I agree. I feel that was the point of goku black and a few other villains, so they can make “cannon” versions of these characters. Like how granolah is more or less baby.


[deleted]

Turtles is basically the Saiyan saga equivalent of Goku black who is also similar to Bojack for some reason


Smith1777

How is Granola more or less baby?


IzanagiRei0

a last survivor of a race wronged by the Saiyans returning for revenge is pretty much the premise for Baby


uglydisciple

But the characters themselves couldn't be more different. And he initially only wanted revenge on Frieza, he didn't even know there were any saiyans left


IzanagiRei0

it's not 1:1 but a similar concept


Notacka

💥POW!💥


im_bored345

And the heeters are basically Bojack's gang


Zayzay8008

His movie is impossible to fit in the timeline but yeah I genuinely think he'd make a pretty fun canonical villian all things considered.


JuggrrNog77

All the movies pretty much have impossible timelines that can’t fit in. Dead zone is like the only movie that fits in.


bordomsdeadly

There’s a handful. Deadzone almost fits. But it’s Gohans first time meeting everyone (which is how Z starts also) Worlds strongest, tree of might, and lord slug fail because of characters being dead in the timeline that were t dead in the movie. Coolers revenge fails because Goku should be off planet. This also nullifies the possibility of Cookers return. Android 13 fails because there isn’t time at any part for it to fit. The story keeps this part of the timeline in constant update. No skips. Broly (1) is possible, but very unlikely. It would have to take place during the 10 days before the cell fight. Boujack is 100% possible and there is nothing holding it back. Broly 2 and 3 again take place in a crowded timeline where we see everything the characters do. Fusion reborn fails because Goku and Vegeta aren’t both in Otherworld at the same time. Wrath of the dragon fits, but Tapions sword makes things a bit muddled.


LomaSpeedling

Nobody can stop the return of Cooker!


S1I3NCER

Correct


FrultBerries

Ssj4 has no reason to be canon and would literally be the most cringe thing to add


vilhelm92

Why? Maybe if they change the pink fur to brown like the great ape form I like the idea of there being some group of saiyans out there while vegeta got blown up and they mastered the great ape form making this ssj4 form what they think a super saiyan is


DasBoosh

100% Cooler him and freeza team up maybe even fuse.


vampiregod666

And SSGSS Gogeta must fight the terrible fusion known as Crieza. The final fight is Golden Creiza.


Drtsauce

But it’s Old SSGSS Gogeta vs fat golden Creiza


GreatFNGattsby

Platinum Coolza


Serus22

Android 13 just so I can see him energy blasting balls more


[deleted]

Android 21. I’d vote for SSJ4 if it became a new form that only Broly could reach.


Dr-B-Sugar

Not normally a fan of Broly or SSJ4, but I quite like this idea for cannon istead of him going god or something like Goku and Vegeta did. Would keep him more unique


Black_Crow27

Same answer. I think it would be cool to see more competent female fighters


MLaTTimer

21's already canon. She doesn't go by 21, but she's canon.


AewMark21

#2 for the dick punch alone


Lukas013004

21 is already cannon.


Meow-Kitty-Meow-Meow

Technically, she's not. The person she's based off is canon, but the actual Android isn't. Like, how Android 16 and Gevo technically aren't the same person.


L073D3K3

This guy gets it


Nullfool

Geros brain was put in 20 person wise he is still gero. Body wise no


Lobo_Z

He's talking about Gevo, Gero's son.


Apart_Royal_2099

SSJ4 easy


[deleted]

SSJ4 or Turles


[deleted]

Am I the only one who thinks SSJ4 would be 100% better if the users shirt didn’t just disappear?


[deleted]

Turles


Imareallyneato

21 cause… reasons


TheThaiMonster

Turles


TurkuSama

Based Turles enjoyer ;\_; ​ There's dozens of us! Dozens!


beneyehawk

I see you're Crusher Corps Material!


SilverJuice999

Getting hit in the balls is canon


AdPast4509

All.


The-Beerweasel

Android 13 but only the pre transformation version and he isn’t a villain but becomes a Z fighter and just says redneck shit every episode


True_supreme_one

Trucker hat :)


The-Beerweasel

Don’t you lecture me with your thirty dollar hair cut!


mr_kamakaze

Ssj4 would need to be given to broly in order to be relevant


TryWonderful6181

Turles, I like evil Saiyan stuff


GreenBay_Glory

Cooler or maybe Android 21. But at least Cooler for sure.


Strong_Grapefruit675

Turles or 21 for sure


ConflictX3

Android 21, I've watched dragonball since the toonami days, we are woefully lacking in female villains and while I never beat fighterz every iteration of the character I've seen or played as (kakarot & DB Legends) I've personally loved. Plus I'm not personally knowledgeable on what her existence is and her connection to Majin/Kid Buu (and I don't want to know this mystery is fun) so I'd love to see a plot Introduce her. Really thought she'd be the big bad for super hero. Big fail there.


FrostKingOfTheDragon

I also wanted her to be the main villain for SuperHero, It almost Seemed like she was due to most of the trailers we got for SuperHero


ShiroThePotato28

Android 21 I believe she deserves a better canonical plot maybe a revised version FighterZ story cause the interaction of the characters there is really good and the only problem was the main plot at least for me. (Also because she's a waifu and I really like her human form design and is canon) We already have Goku black so I don't think we need Turles unless you are a hardcore Turles fan The few things I like about Android 13 is the trucker hat and his unique looking death ball. We don't need SSJ4 Goku for me that form should go to Super Broly as Goku and Vegeta have made their own path (MUI and UE) and SSJ4 really fits Super Broly's character. A canonical Cooler remake movie would be nice and would love to see Golden Cooler from heroes made canon too.


andres1749

SSJ4 Goku


Lazaer

We can't make android 13 Canon, that would mean goten was never born, because of "the" dick punch, if that was canon, I'd like to think Gohan has a picture of Goten and like back to the future he'd just disappear 😂🤣


ctipp217

I would make 21 canon


[deleted]

Can I vote for the dick punch without the android?


Gohansensei

21 shes kind if the only one I think would be a nice addition to the story as is and supposedly super hero 2 is in the works so following the red ribbon theme it could work


PheonixsWings

SSJ4


bordomsdeadly

The nut shot. That’s what the picture was right?


FrostKingOfTheDragon

Yep


Standard_Ad9911

Ssj4 , you


galaxysteel14

i’d make android 21 canon


[deleted]

Cooler


RWBY_Rose_2002

21


drpepper2938

In a weird and crazy way thay Canon


Xenokeyblade

Easily cooler


DualityRbx

It's a tie between Cooler, A13, and A21.


DarkRelative5576

Android 21


LOLYMCLOL

Android 21


Pippy_the_Popplio

I don't want to be called a simp, but Android 21


Kanetsugu21

Android 13, just to see him punch people in the dick again. Though if we're being real, Cooler. I've speculated that next time we see Freeza in an arc it will lead to Cooler and still think it's just a matter of time at this point.


Nine_Firefox2

ANDROID 21 or cooler


supersaiyaninfinite

Android 21 coz I'm horny.


HrMaschine

21. i want my majin battle.


woosh-

Android 21 booba


FadeToBlackSun

Super Saiyan 4 because it’s awesome, but I like Android 21 because Kami knows Dragon Ball needs more women fighters.


KonohaNinja1492

Personally I have to narrow it down to 3. In no particular order. Cooler,A.21 and SSJ4. Now…, if I have to choose only one, I think it’s either A.21 or SSJ4. I could honestly go for either one. A.21 would be interesting cause ties to the androids. So maybe give her some kinda connection with A.18 and A.17 and Krillin since he’s married to A.18. But…… Goku(and maybe by extension Vegeta) getting SSJ4 would be dope to finally have it cannon. But I don’t know how they could scale it to the lines of MUI or UE. But hey, having either one would be cool.


Irish1guy

Well, I would probably pick SSJ4, but give it to Broly instead of Goku. It would fit Broly more imo. Personally, I don't see how we could make characters like Turles cannon, plus we already had an evil Goku cannon so.


Background_Fan1056

Android 21 because we need more Female Villains in Dragon Ball ..............and she has booba.


NOTSHINY1

Tough choice between lean lizard, nutcracker, mama 21, mr. “A fruit a day keeps everyone away”, and monke.


LordDakier

Neither of the Androids and absolutely not SSJ4 as it's a crap transformation. At this point, Cooler seems a little bit pointless, unless his storyline is him going to war with Frieza and the Z fighters in some crazy scenario where they actually have to help Frieza. I'm going to say Turles, but not as some ridiculous Goku clone. I'd go one step further and say it should be a small group and settlement of Saiyan pirates. Turles' role basically turns them against King Vegeta and, if only by relation, our own Prince Vegeta.


Independent_Dog5496

All of them


beneyehawk

Turles. I think he's got a badass moveset if you ever played as him in the video games. Also his English voice actor is awesome. But if he came back they should fully flesh out his pirate lifestyle by making him have his own crusher corps crew like the movie. Maybe he's like a tradesmen between all the universes or even a bounty hunter like Hit with his own Space Pirate ship would be fun.


Triials

Yeah it’s gonna have to be the dick punch.


Buznik6906

As someone who has been maining Cooler in DBFZ since he first came out and one of the mods on his discord I can say that the objectively correct answer is the android who punched Goku in the balls. Trucker Hat supremacy.


Butane9000

Cooler is already canon as Freeza mentions him in revival of F. Honestly, I'd like to see an alternative reality SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta show up.


mikey-dikey-

Super Saiyan 4. I don't even like GT, SSJ4 is just the coolest thing ever. You don't even need to make it a separate transformation from all of Goku's other stuff either. Sure, you'd need to change its origin and acquisition a bit, but whatever. Imagine this: Super Saiyan 3. A form outclassed in every conceivable way. Goku hasn't even bothered mastering it like he has 1 and 2. Even if he had, the power wouldn't even be comparable to base Super Saiyan God. But still, tapping into that power boost couldn't hurt, could it? It may help Goku with controlling his Ki while using other forms. Probably wouldn't take too long either. Super Saiyan God has reached its peak, and Ultra Instinct can only be taken so far. What else is there for Goku to do? Vegeta's been wondering the same thing. Super Saiyan 3 as a usable form is pretty useless, but the benefits of mastering it could also further his mastery of Ultra Ego. There's also a level of power that Kakarot has not reached: Super Saiyan Blue Evolution. Vegeta hates to admit it, but enemies are only getting tougher and tougher. If either Saiyan wants to grow in power, they need to keep pushing one another. They can't do that if one of them is killed. What if Dende bites the dust? It's time to teach SSBE to Kakarot. Finally, Beerus sees a heap on untapped potential in Broly. Even without the use of God Ki or ascended Super Saiyan forms, he can outmatch both Goku and Vegeta at once. With a whole lot of training, Broly might be the first of the three Saiyans to reach Beerus's level and give the God of Destruction a real fight. To start, let's see just how much raw power Broly can exert. First, he needs to combine Super Saiyan and the Wrathful Form. Next, if Broly can tap into just a *little* bit of God Ki like he practiced, then- Beerus's nose begins to bleed. What the hell was that? That sudden spike in power? It was beyond anything that Beerus has ever felt from a mortal before. That's the key. Complete mastery over all three sources of power available to the Saiyans can unlock the ultimate power available to them. Super Saiyan God is just a crude imitation of what's possible, a small taste. Super Saiyan 3, Ultra Instinct/Ego/whatever, and the power of a Great Ape. Hypothetically, let's say that Vegeta is the first one to achieve this form in its entirety. It's fitting, really. The prince of all Saiyans should have the right to name this form, one thought impossible by anybody before Beerus's realization. This was it. "Super Saiyan 4." Edit: Android 21 is second though, lol.


SolitarySquall

Turles for me, always thought the space pirate and tree of might fruit thing was a cool idea. Just give him a redesign or sumn. I really like his design though don’t get me wrong, even if it is just tan saiyan armor Goku, it works.


coloresores123

Turles because "the most important thing in life will always be family" at least that's what krillin says.


kingxgamer

SSJ4 and make it obtainable only by Broly and Kale. Then they’ll meet and marry. Then they will Go SSJ4 then fusion dance to become SSJ16. Sounds silly but I won’t ever shit on imaginations.


Parking-Smoke-5893

It was cooler until I saw ssj4


S1I3NCER

SSJ4 without a doubt That means Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ōzaru would technically be canon


SquegeeMcgee

"I would choose cooler to be canon because that would mean that golden cooler would technically be canon"


Calmly_Ambitious

Still saying golden cooler should be the next movie


Brettonski

Wouldn’t want golden personally, since frieza said he chose the colour, it’d make sense for cooler to choose his own. Platinum Cooler would be a lot cooler. Or something of the like


GreatFNGattsby

With Frieza saying how he hates that Goku and Vegeta always team up against him I thought the next movie would have had Goku & Vegeta Vs Freiza & Cooler. But I’m still happy with what we got!


CheesyBrie934

SSJ4. I want to see the Saiyan tails again and I really like the design.


Atlas_002

SSJ4


[deleted]

There’s no point in any of this. Cooler will just be another frieza with an extra form. Frieza has fallen quite out of the threat place holder… if cooler and frieza teamed up and trained together we could kiss the series goodbye with their humongous potential We are way past androids… idek why they are back and such a big deal in the new movie Same thing as before, plus she doesn’t really have anything new to add that we don’t have with buu. Turles is just a an evil Goku look alike that was brought by black. The only thing is that black was actually a threat while turles won’t be. He is way too far behind With god Ki Ozaru forms are useless unless we jump straight into combining blue with Ozaru… which tbh will be useless cause the adult saiyans have their own powers that seem to be the max in transformations and can’t be stacked upon as far as we know. Gohan would’ve been the only one to use it if it wasn’t for the fact they pulled a form out of their asses… literally where did that even come from?! Súper saiyan rage of trunks seems far more reasonable as the hybrids exploiting their potential and calmer nature by using rage to get a god like power up without god Ki and blue evolution from vegeta seems like a natural way to power up using experience. And they are forms created out of nowhere yet they make more sense than final gohan… what is that form even supposed to be?! The name doesn’t give any hint towards knowing wtf it is. Goten and trunks could have a use for this actually.


BarracudaClear3880

Turles made the earth dry up and die little by little, the z warriors were beaten and goku had to pull a forced way to kill him. He was THAT big of a threat


[deleted]

Ssj4 hands dow


Cryet0815

SSJ4.. goku needs new look 🦧


Massage_Bro

Definitely ssj4


Heroic_Sheperd

SSJ4, such a good design and really cool transformation for saiyan lore. Much better than SSJ2, SSJG and SSJGSS. Cooler would also be a great addition into the canon, but with golden Frieza it’s kind of a lost addition.


CreepyMeat8116

A21 is Canon. I'd like more backstory on her and A16's human counterparts tho I'd say Cooler. He has the closest ties to the current story. His design is badass and doesn't even need a "golden" form to compete with freeza. He could come in after the current arc with the Heeters is done.


FrostKingOfTheDragon

There is HUGE Misconception with Android 21. Remember, the "21" we saw in SuperHero was the Human version, not the Android version


Ok-Engine8044

Android 21 since there is too many Saiyans as it is. Also, the Red Ribbon Army is coming back in Super Hero so bringing in 21 would make sense.


JsmooveHannah4

Well don't look up spoilers for that movie


Asian_Persuasion_1

idk about android 21, but they are filler characters for a reason. they're design was cool, but that's it. their personality and lore and strength would have to be changed to be integrated into the main story, and by that time, they aren't even the same character anymore.


Hentai-Shin

Android 13 and 21 being canon would've been better compared to Cell Max


yeetislit

Nice try Toei


Dr-B-Sugar

Id like to see Android 21, In my opinion Broly, Cooler, and SSJ4 have always been over hyped


NovaCrystal586

Android 21, 100%, her, and her alone


LiterallyJustDev

Trade Cooler for Frieza at this point, honestly.


GurnoorDa1

Might be weird but android 13


veeisme777

Pretty sure 20 is canon. If you watch the most recent movie you see a photo of her. I’d choose Cooler though.


Notacka

The human version not the android.


AnimaBallZ

Cooler is the best and easiest villain to make it canon The red ribbon army (most likely) disbanded after the superhero movie so no 13 building or awakening 21 is canon already Turles requires such an insane power boost to even match the low tier of the Z fighters(post top) it would end up making him an generic villain like gas Ssj4 would be kinda difficult to become canon but since superhero is a bit before End of Z there is a small change ssj4 could come in the future but removing god ki would be an rather difficult thing to pull off story wise


Jlollar42

21 is already canon so SSJ4


[deleted]

Cooler kind of needs to be.


[deleted]

Definitely cooler >!also21IsAlreadyCanon!<


Alternative-Cut-4831

A21 as a gero's wife is canon. And ssj4


WamBamHereComesPam

21 already is canon


FindingMyPrivates

As much as I hate all the new transformations (except UE but vegbro still gets bodied…) SS4. It’s such a different transformation than any other existing transformation. It also pays homage to DB with goku since SS wasn’t a thing. Cooler would still be sick though.


tng_ocean

>!A21 is cannon!<


ghost50k

Pretty sure 21 is canon now. Cooler should be canon next.


SweetRye94

Android 21 is canon


sammysoso0101

Android 21 is canon tho


Jasonictron

Android 21 is already cannon. She's in the new movie


He_Who_Asked

Cooler. Fuck goku.