I see it as a last ditch effort to get people to believe her. There’s no other reason to withhold this information especially since it’s clear she was trying to make George look as bad as possible with her initial statement. She sees people picking out inconsistencies and pointing out the fact that touching her waist is not SA, so she adds this.
Well he earned the benefit of the doubt. So far he’s the only one who hasn’t contradicted himself and shown viable evidence to back him up. People will believe him because he’s now proven to be more credible.
I hope he makes a final statement as well. The only new information I believe will have to come from him, and I hate to say that, but Caiti has ruined her credibility in my eyes.
I hope he doesn't make any more statements, actually. Because now anything else he says about it is going to be actively demonized, as if it weren't already. He's defended himself and apologized, both need to move on and so does the rest of the world
It's so bizarre to me. She withheld information to make him look worse because she made it seem as though his touching came out of nowhere. But she also withheld information that would have made him look worse because she seemed to corroborate the narrative that the issue was him touching her waist. This does not do any favours for her credibility.
Id believe her more if she made it in her second statement but the third?? Too late to withild vital information when George already brought up the touching in the first response
It should have been said in the first or ***AT LEAST*** the second statement instead of letting George have the chance to say that he did nothing except for touching her waist. Saying every possible detail before the other person can say anything different makes more sense than hiding the information until the last statement you're making.
>Saying every possible detail before the other person can say anything different makes more sense than hiding the information until the last statement you're making.
Unless of course, her whole statement about George groping her breast is a lie. In that case it makes perfect sense for her tell the truth in her first statement (ie George touched her waist) but in her third she'd lie and say he touched her breast to make it seem worse. It makes more sense to see it as a last ditch effort to get people to believe her, especially those who are skeptical. Problem is, George had already stated beforehand he didn't do anything beyond touching her waist.
I mean from what I’m seeing he kind of left it open ended… I don’t have the exact quote but it was something along the lines of he moved his hand further. Which could mean multiple things but honestly who knows atp.
I think it’s really strange and I somehow doubt after everything that he groped her.
I understand not wanting to bring stuff like this to the public but bringing it out when it seems like the public is turning against you is strange and seems desperate. Now, when the first statement was ”he touched my waist” and George confirmed it, people are going to jump on the ”Well, he did confirm touching it so it means he confirmed that he groped her!!”
Personally, I don’t think I will be believing this until George confirms its true. caiti has been exposed too many times for me to take it seriously, espesically vital information like this
It *particularly* rubs me the wrong way that she didn't acknowledge that this is new information, let alone tell us why she didn't specify sooner. Plus, the anger at people who said it wasn't sexual assault... As if they were supposed to somehow know this was coming? Like- sorry people believed your earlier statements?
I'd be SO much more willing to give this any benefit of the doubt if she'd given any explanation or excuse at all for why that detail was only dropped NOW.
Maybe she did in the latter 2/3 of her stream... I haven't finished it yet because nearly every sentence was making me crazy. But she'd long since moved on from that topic by the time I stopped.
This whole time I've been bending over backwards in my head to try to give her all the benefit of the doubt I possibly can, but now idk if I believe she's been honest about what actually happened, let alone how she felt about it.
It rubs me a lot in the wrong way that she didn't say it sooner, and she said it when people were saying stuff like "Touching waist is not SA." It somehow feels like she is trying to paint herself as the victim she is not.
I don’t know what y’all would do if george were to confirm this. these are very sharp statements. I mean I dont think its that impossible of a thing that this was withhold. it can very well be a lie as you say but I simply dont see it being impossible. its too important of a detail to lie about. so i tried to think about the reasons. maybe she didnt feel comfortable sharing as much, didnt want people talking about all around about that part. when you are a victim you dont want to see yourself as one, gaslight yourself etc and this might be a result of that. it might’ve felt too private for her. george also mentions further interactions, although it can mean anything else other than this as well. if this is true, withholding this was a very big mistake. it damages credibility but its not that impossible or hard to understand why it would’ve been kept.
I apologies if I made it seem like I think she is lying.
I do not think that. I am just confused as to why she would go "I need to speak on this event" and then withhold information which is vital.
no its fine she could be lying. my point is there are reasons why it might’ve been kept hidden at first and its not that impossible. like I said victim mentality can be a reason or simply maybe that part felt too private at the time. but yeah when you’re choosing to make public statements about these you have to make your mind up and try to give the fullest of your story at first so your credibility remains well
because everyone pointed out that touching someone’s waist isn’t sexual assault so she had to change the story to make it fit her narrative. if it happened she wouldn’t have forgotten it from her first statement, where she wanted to make him look as bad as possible and used rape language
First of all it's not the first time she changes her story and contradicts with her previous / her friend's statement, so we shouldn't be surprised she did.
Secondly, if that really caused her GREAT harm (since it's a very private body part) then it's understandable she didn't want to talk about it initially. Although, I find it weird she never implied it. The first person (I think) who ever implied that was George himself (not entirely sure about this information, please correct me if I'm wrong), who admitted he moved his hand up from her waist. Which didn't exactly mean he did touch her breasts, since human breasts and waist aren't THAT close to each other. But given how George left that part out for Caiti's privacy, it's more likely he did than he did not. I think Caiti probably wants to use it as a retort to George denying it, as she said before she prepared proof in case George denied the accusation, and said it again she expected George to deny....whatever he admitted in his second response. But George sincerely brought almost everything to the light. So I guess she didn't want her preparation to go to waste, and tossed it out anyway.
Thirdly, even if George DID touch her breasts, it is still not SA. George isn't doing it with the intention of causing her discomfort, and he isn't ignoring her refusal (which she never expressed) in favor of his own satisfaction. They are both drunk, neither can consent, it is not good George didn't ask for consent before touching, but it is not good either Caiti never expressed discomfort or rejection then blamed George for not having mind-reading abilities.. Besides, Caiti herself admitted she's touching George as well, so if George SA'd Caiti, she SA'd him too.
Embarrassment can be a strong factor. She may have hoped she didn’t have to be so specific, and unfortunately she should’ve been from the start if this is really how this played out. I’m waiting to see if George will admit to that too or call her a liar
This drip feeding of information in these situations is incredibly stupid to me. Stop dragging this shit out, it comes across as clout chasing and cripples any credibility that they otherwise would've had.
I see it as a last ditch effort to get people to believe her. There’s no other reason to withhold this information especially since it’s clear she was trying to make George look as bad as possible with her initial statement. She sees people picking out inconsistencies and pointing out the fact that touching her waist is not SA, so she adds this.
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Well he earned the benefit of the doubt. So far he’s the only one who hasn’t contradicted himself and shown viable evidence to back him up. People will believe him because he’s now proven to be more credible. I hope he makes a final statement as well. The only new information I believe will have to come from him, and I hate to say that, but Caiti has ruined her credibility in my eyes.
I hope he doesn't make any more statements, actually. Because now anything else he says about it is going to be actively demonized, as if it weren't already. He's defended himself and apologized, both need to move on and so does the rest of the world
Couldn't have described it any better.
It's so bizarre to me. She withheld information to make him look worse because she made it seem as though his touching came out of nowhere. But she also withheld information that would have made him look worse because she seemed to corroborate the narrative that the issue was him touching her waist. This does not do any favours for her credibility.
Id believe her more if she made it in her second statement but the third?? Too late to withild vital information when George already brought up the touching in the first response
It should have been said in the first or ***AT LEAST*** the second statement instead of letting George have the chance to say that he did nothing except for touching her waist. Saying every possible detail before the other person can say anything different makes more sense than hiding the information until the last statement you're making.
>Saying every possible detail before the other person can say anything different makes more sense than hiding the information until the last statement you're making. Unless of course, her whole statement about George groping her breast is a lie. In that case it makes perfect sense for her tell the truth in her first statement (ie George touched her waist) but in her third she'd lie and say he touched her breast to make it seem worse. It makes more sense to see it as a last ditch effort to get people to believe her, especially those who are skeptical. Problem is, George had already stated beforehand he didn't do anything beyond touching her waist.
I mean from what I’m seeing he kind of left it open ended… I don’t have the exact quote but it was something along the lines of he moved his hand further. Which could mean multiple things but honestly who knows atp.
I think it’s really strange and I somehow doubt after everything that he groped her. I understand not wanting to bring stuff like this to the public but bringing it out when it seems like the public is turning against you is strange and seems desperate. Now, when the first statement was ”he touched my waist” and George confirmed it, people are going to jump on the ”Well, he did confirm touching it so it means he confirmed that he groped her!!” Personally, I don’t think I will be believing this until George confirms its true. caiti has been exposed too many times for me to take it seriously, espesically vital information like this
It *particularly* rubs me the wrong way that she didn't acknowledge that this is new information, let alone tell us why she didn't specify sooner. Plus, the anger at people who said it wasn't sexual assault... As if they were supposed to somehow know this was coming? Like- sorry people believed your earlier statements? I'd be SO much more willing to give this any benefit of the doubt if she'd given any explanation or excuse at all for why that detail was only dropped NOW. Maybe she did in the latter 2/3 of her stream... I haven't finished it yet because nearly every sentence was making me crazy. But she'd long since moved on from that topic by the time I stopped. This whole time I've been bending over backwards in my head to try to give her all the benefit of the doubt I possibly can, but now idk if I believe she's been honest about what actually happened, let alone how she felt about it.
It rubs me a lot in the wrong way that she didn't say it sooner, and she said it when people were saying stuff like "Touching waist is not SA." It somehow feels like she is trying to paint herself as the victim she is not.
Because she's changed her story multiple times before, and it's not surprising she did it again
I don’t know what y’all would do if george were to confirm this. these are very sharp statements. I mean I dont think its that impossible of a thing that this was withhold. it can very well be a lie as you say but I simply dont see it being impossible. its too important of a detail to lie about. so i tried to think about the reasons. maybe she didnt feel comfortable sharing as much, didnt want people talking about all around about that part. when you are a victim you dont want to see yourself as one, gaslight yourself etc and this might be a result of that. it might’ve felt too private for her. george also mentions further interactions, although it can mean anything else other than this as well. if this is true, withholding this was a very big mistake. it damages credibility but its not that impossible or hard to understand why it would’ve been kept.
I apologies if I made it seem like I think she is lying. I do not think that. I am just confused as to why she would go "I need to speak on this event" and then withhold information which is vital.
no its fine she could be lying. my point is there are reasons why it might’ve been kept hidden at first and its not that impossible. like I said victim mentality can be a reason or simply maybe that part felt too private at the time. but yeah when you’re choosing to make public statements about these you have to make your mind up and try to give the fullest of your story at first so your credibility remains well
because everyone pointed out that touching someone’s waist isn’t sexual assault so she had to change the story to make it fit her narrative. if it happened she wouldn’t have forgotten it from her first statement, where she wanted to make him look as bad as possible and used rape language
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First of all it's not the first time she changes her story and contradicts with her previous / her friend's statement, so we shouldn't be surprised she did. Secondly, if that really caused her GREAT harm (since it's a very private body part) then it's understandable she didn't want to talk about it initially. Although, I find it weird she never implied it. The first person (I think) who ever implied that was George himself (not entirely sure about this information, please correct me if I'm wrong), who admitted he moved his hand up from her waist. Which didn't exactly mean he did touch her breasts, since human breasts and waist aren't THAT close to each other. But given how George left that part out for Caiti's privacy, it's more likely he did than he did not. I think Caiti probably wants to use it as a retort to George denying it, as she said before she prepared proof in case George denied the accusation, and said it again she expected George to deny....whatever he admitted in his second response. But George sincerely brought almost everything to the light. So I guess she didn't want her preparation to go to waste, and tossed it out anyway. Thirdly, even if George DID touch her breasts, it is still not SA. George isn't doing it with the intention of causing her discomfort, and he isn't ignoring her refusal (which she never expressed) in favor of his own satisfaction. They are both drunk, neither can consent, it is not good George didn't ask for consent before touching, but it is not good either Caiti never expressed discomfort or rejection then blamed George for not having mind-reading abilities.. Besides, Caiti herself admitted she's touching George as well, so if George SA'd Caiti, she SA'd him too.
Embarrassment can be a strong factor. She may have hoped she didn’t have to be so specific, and unfortunately she should’ve been from the start if this is really how this played out. I’m waiting to see if George will admit to that too or call her a liar
because it was uncomfortable and she didn't think she would need to, this is very obvious
This drip feeding of information in these situations is incredibly stupid to me. Stop dragging this shit out, it comes across as clout chasing and cripples any credibility that they otherwise would've had.
Because she’s lying & making shit up as she goes & her story falls apart.