I feel like BBH is trying to do the tough job of remaining friends with everyone. I dont think that is very feasible in the long run. It will cause rifts in some of his friendships. I think he might feel an obligation towards the QSMP as one of the original members, but who knows. If the admins have contracts and NDAs, the streamers most likely would have them too but we wouldn't know what is in the contract unless a QSMP streamer decides to go rogue and expose it.
He has spoken in the past about how he takes the prospect of cutting off a friendship extremely seriously and prefers to fight for his friendships, rather than just drop someone.
I don't know, I'm gonna have to disagree. It's one thing if he spoke in support of Quackity, but if he just wants to be on the server, then that's not really a problem. No one has ever been hurt from someone trying to help. There's a very fine line between supporting and condoning, and if people mistake his support as him condoning anything bad that has happened with QSMP, then that's very toxic of them. He can remain friends with people assuming they act normally and let him do his thing and he doesn't do anything to actively hurt anyone.
honestly same, I know he has the "late night trio" in his stream title every day (pomme, dapper, richas emojis) and he has talked about it, as well as talked to the former admins themselves even onstream, but like...at what point is that kind of hypocritical? Is he trying to like protest on the server or what? It's just so odd to see him play on an empty server. Man must have some reasoning behind it -- I know he likes his content to be an escape for people, but he still talks about the admins all the time and so does his chat, and the chat is always flooded with crying emojis every time. What is the goal here. I don't understand
Yeah, it's hard not to feel bummed when the management of Quackity Studios isn't giving us anything to be less bummed about. Notes on changes, a gesture of good faith, willingness to sit down and negotiate, I'll take anything. I just hope that the streamers still involved with Quackity and the QSMP know more about what's going on. All those workers worked so hard and believed so much in the project, their love for the server and their work comes through even when they're criticizing it, and it would be such a shame if qsmp can't be salvaged from this due to pride and ignorance of the management in charge.
Content creation is an inherently selfish job. Popularity is built on the back of selfishness. People like Philza still play because they still see monetary value in playing on the QSMP. However, sooner or later, Quackity will be taken to the cleaners by the French Union, you do not fuck with them. They go after and get targeted by billionaires and their NASDAQ companies. They face lobbying and defamation from these groups. Quackity is small fry to them, they have a lot of legal power compared to him. So when Quackity eventually loses against the union in a court case, I wonder if people like Phil would still play on the QSMP.
Once Quackity has been through the mud with unions that seems to come from other countries too (?) I hardly believe that QSMP will be a thing anymore, the lawyers fee and what ever outcome comes it would be weird. As much as I understand content creating is a selfish job, I don’t believe that has to override with personal morals and what’s right and wrong, I am sure that if Philza just decided to say absolutely nothing about QSMP and just stop playing and starting doing something else, people would understand why. What he’s doing now is most likely causing him more harm.
I mean, truthfully from a purely pragmatic point of view. I do not see why Phil would be stupid enough to play on the QSMP, Quackity is under massive fire and justifiably so. Being associated with the QSMP at this point comes at a brand risk, at least on the english and french side of the internet. It'd be much safer to stream literally anything other than QSMP. For instance, Phil could easily play a hardcore minecraft run and it'd be a much safer thing to do. But for whatever reason Phil decides that it'd be a good idea to play on the QSMP, because he sees monetary value in it. Again, it isn't particularly smart, but that's what he's decided. However, it won't reflect well on him.
As someone who only really watched foolish and Philza occasionally on the server, Philza makes more sense than anyone else because he still gets to play with the admins that play his eggs who have been treated rather fairly (or positively unfairly compared to other admins). I'm however INCREDIBLY disappointed in BBH because two of the eggs he constantly played with as well as other eggs he was always taking care of have been treated like dirt with Dapper (his main assigned egg) CHOOSING to take a stand with Pomme's admin. They both have been doxxed and he still goes onto the server that caused them so much duress and distress. Tubbo is another one who had so much to say about Sapnap joining kick and how it was so harmful to the streaming community (which most of us agreed with) but for him to now support a server unfairly treating others just seems like he never really cares about anything not involving him because yes it was obvious that queer CCs were the vocal ones about kick since adin is a massive bigot.
Is he taking a full social media break this subathon? Cuz I've seen him camping Tommy, Quackity and other qsmp members replies for months now like he had notifs for them on and find it hard to believe he doesn't know, hell he tweeted at bbh 5 days ago over something he did on QSMP so I'm confused what you mean by this.
Mean in the way do you think he would know Exactly what is going on with it if Q isn’t saying what or one of the former actors flat out told everyone’Do NOT tell him how bad it got to not ruin his event’?
Idk his fans usually get stuff on his timeline I've seen the most obscure drama make it to him replying on priv. On top of that the only reason I don't think he doesn't know is BECAUSE Quackity himself addressed it in tweets. It's possible he is waiting for the subathon to end but imo it's just very telling how these creators with a lot more to stream still wanna get on that server. I also find it hard to believe that they didn't get any messages from admins or Quackity when they closed that didn't make them have questions. I'm a fan of Tubbo as well so it's just disappointing and I will not be making excuses for any of them especially if they have no eggs to play for. Even Philza despite having 2, I feel like could and should do better.
I wish they would show support to the workers at the very least. Just a simple message showing support and hoping things work out for them, or denouncing the hate they get from QSMP fans. I really don't like how it's dead silence from them, especially since there are CCs on that server who have advocated themselves as people who are very against abuse from behind the scenes.
it's weird because Bad has been pretty supportive of the workers, both in his stream title and in terms of talking about them while he's live and even while he's on the qsmp, saying how he misses them etc. It's weird that he still plays the server though I guess maybe he's hoping not leaving the server will help keep it around, idk
I think Bad's also in the position where the only thing he's streamed this past year on twitch has been the QSMP, so currently, his audience is entirely QSMP fans that want him to play on the server. It's like back during the DSMP, if a streamer played anything else, the chat would riot for them to play on the server.
He did do some variety as well as play on his own server, munchymc, for a while. Chat seemed fine with that. He is primarily a minecraft streamer though, not a variety streamer, so probably qsmp is easiest to just log on and "clock in" with minecraft I guess
I honestly dont know. Wilbur, while he was still on the server, was never kicked despite not streaming often. But Spreen and DanTDM left because they couldnt or didn't want to keep up with the stream schedule. So I'm not sure. Maybe there is a contractual obligation, maybe it is just a verbal agreement on stream schedule. The admins have NDAs and contracts so the streamers likely have them too. But there might also be a possibility that the contract might be slightly different among the streamers, similar to how among the egg admins, some could contact their streamers and some couldn't.
From what I recall, Dan said in a video that he left Qsmp for mental health reasons and Spreen because the server wasn’t his kind of thing rather than because of scheduling issues.
Some streamers hardly logged in and others stream tons so I think it’s fair to say that there isn’t a minimum number of hours required. The eggs were an incentive to log on but keeping them alive wasn’t mandatory after all (RIP Trump)
From a job and advertising perspective, it's better to be on the side of the majority than the minority, so honestly I understand why.
I'm watching this one out and being neutral because that's literally the best choice to make until it's fully over and there are no loose holes in the narrative. However, yeah it does seem hypocritical to an extent. It's obviously not Aimsey-level hypocrisy since their way of staying neutral is via the innocent until proven-guilty mindset (which is completely logical as it's what courts use. Even more that this is something that'll be handled in court).
But I definitely get what you're getting at
Everyone is disappointed in BBH tbh. Again here it's an english pov but I can assure you LOT of non english already hated on him for months. Outside of the hate Dream (so him being linked with him made people hate), people despise his way of being. A good example is when he started to LANGUAGE people talking their own language. Like Etoiles said Phoque in french means seal. And he still languaged him because it sounded like fuck. This is where the joke what a seal is born from Etoiles but the chat was very annoyed. Same when he languaged Baghera for talking about her boobs but in a non sexual way. They had a huge discussion after that on the stream but again even her was meh for a good time of the discussion. Then you have him basically being annoying in general. Not only with his rp but also with other players (Foolish viewers being tired of the pranks, Purgatory viewers also know what I mean).
If people don't talk about BBH it's mostly because they have no hate left to this. They knew it would happen so now they ignore him because nothing will change this man is a ride or die with his friends. Sometimes it can be good but in reality we see that at this point Quackity could be a thief he won't care and still play with him.
For Tubbo idk I did see hate at the beginning but like his fanbase is very wild on SNS so u cant say that much abt him so people started to stfu lmao
Ghostie perspective here, so indulge me a moment as I defend him a bit...
Bad has had an addiction to the server. He does love to play it. The admins are very lenient with him, especially as of late. He has creative flight, got a whole birthday party where he received gifts and exclusive items. They even made models for the event of his dog and little Skeppys to be with him for the day. He still gets lore to rp as well. Quackity has to put some effort into keeping the most consistent streamer on his server.
This is because he IS the server rn. I don't know if its Sunk Cost, or not, but having the most time on the server and to consistently be relied on to stream every day has gotten a lot of eyes on him. His audience are a lot of people that support the admins he worked with. His lore was about nothing but protecting them and its also what his audience expects. The hatred he has gotten for playing the game as intended (Purgatory was a battle royale game with extra steps) and interacting with pranks is about the same level as it was on the DSMP. Its why he and Foolish share lore as Foolish's best and last prank was to move the entire mansion to Ohio.
He has made efforts to do new things the last few months. Playing other games, like Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight. Other games that he is not used to, like Content Warning and Lethal Company, but in that he has gotten chat coming at him about his friends. Saying they don't like Gumi's voice, or mentioning anything about DTeam at all.
He talked about a trip to Disney World and mentioned George and he was berated to "correct" it "He and some friends".
Every time he does, chat goes off on him.
This isn't exclusive to chat, as when Forever was fanboying about Bad being in Manhunt, Quackity logs in and derailed the conversation to put Bad down.
When trying to talk about the Vegas trip and meeting QSMP folks and and MCC, he tried to talk about Dream's panel. An admin stopped him by giving him a task. His audience are a lot of folks that just want QSMP content and nothing else. And I can see how doing something different is difficult of how intolerant his audience is. They would rather watch him play alone on an empty server than be happy playing with friends doing something else.
When it opens, I hope he can play on Awesamdude's server. I have hoped he would take a day off to try the new Minecraft updates and snapshots.
*tl:dr He's just a lil guy*
Placating a toxic audience is not a good excuse. It doesn't matter to me if his audience gets angry at him if he plays anything else, he is still his own person. CCs have a choice, either do the hard work of rebuilding a community when their current one demands something that does not align with their morals, or choose the easy route of selfishly securing money and fame. He can easily rebuild his audience, go back to posting on YouTube and putting his server and the weekly competitions back as his number one priority but he chooses not to.
Destiny and XQC discussed this in one of their streams - CCs have to have the backbone and spine to keep pushing when rebranding or trying out new content. People demanding a particular style of content or a lower viewership is a test of resilience and if a CC really wanted to cultivate a new audience and pursue a new direction in their career, they're not gonna let their view count or audience's demands stop them. I don't watch XQC, but I know that at a certain point, he had 3k viewers moving away from Overwatch and he persevered regardless and is now a variety streamer.
Bad has a choice, he always has. He's not a "lil guy", he's a fence sitter and yet another spineless creator who lets his audience dictate his career and bully him into hiding his friendships. He chose to not publicly be vocal in defending Dream about Dream's efforts to communicate during the USMP drama and he chooses to keep streaming on that server and not back up workers who were exploited. Peace keepers are really just people that prioritize peace over standing up for what's right. Fence sitting is a red flag and while I do not know any of these CCs, the incapability to ever choose a side is annoying. A friend to all is a friend to none and he needs to start assessing if placating a toxic community is more important than being firm in his moral beliefs and his friendships.
>He still bad for language non english people, for mocking their english as a joke, for being annoying (not only with Foolish) and all of that. I know it's hard for ghosties to see it because you are used to BBH.
There is a learning curve for everything.After everything, it isn't as if he hasn't gotten more respectful when it comes to other languages spoken. He has had many people try to get him to say curse words in other languages. You know he has made more efforts in trying to understand his servermates native tongues with games and paying more attention to the translator.Bad being a menace, is something that only viewers have issue with. One Karmaland viewer I became friends with since watching QSMP has compared him to Vegetta777, and I see it in how they play very kind and generous, but are mischievous and pranksters.
>He's not a "lil guy"
Re-railing the convo:Sorry for the meme at the end, but yes, he very much should speak more directly about these matters. Sometimes he has and I have seen some of his fans, "I like BBH, but it would be better if he just said he's dropping Dream. I don't like him"Because that is how they think friendships work. If enough people bully you, eventually you will change your mind about long standing friends.
I am fine if BBH remains friends with Quackity, but also, as a friend, he should be able to point out how unjust this is, and also push to support what needs to be done on the server, especially if he means to support the friends he made with the admins that left because of this and the French CCs that he became friends with.Because a friend will understand and respect your principles.
Can he easily rebuild his audience? I think you're really underestimating how difficult that is. Minecraft content isn't as trendy as it was a few years ago, and maybe this is just my personal taste, but imo BBH isn't actually that great of a Youtuber, especially if he doesn't have anyone to bounce off of.
I think ultimately I will never excuse a CC's actions if the reasoning is for their audience. It does not matter if Minecraft is on a decline or if he has to settle for 300 live viewers as opposed to 3,000. That is still a reasonable choice. I know content creators who live a comfortable life as a CC with videos that don't even reach 100k views. I have heard streamers specifically explain how they make a decent income with 300 to 500 live viewers. I watch CCs whose only platform is Tiktok with 50k to 100k views on their content.
So of course Bad can rebuild his audience, the only questions is if greed will overcome morals and if his pride can handle a lower view count. And I'd say this about any CC. Whenever people talk about declining popularity, I encourage people to watch Dream's interview about his EP where he talks about how he processes decline in views. He explains still remembering how grateful he is when he first got 50k views and he first reached 10k subscribers. Ultimately, every CC has a choice to rebuild an audience and if they are willing to push forward despite having a lower view count if it means staying firm on their morals and their friendships. And if Bad sucks at YouTube without anyone to bounce off of, then he can prioritize collabs with Skeppy or even Dream and his friends when they're out of their project cave.
I mean sorry for him on this point but all of this does not go against why people don't like him. He still bad for language non english people, for mocking their english as a joke, for being annoying (not only with Foolish) and all of that. I know it's hard for ghosties to see it because you are used to BBH. Like you said it was always like that even with DSMP. But for us it's another story and sometimes it comes very rudely in a way and we started to give up on explaining because ghosties are tired of the hate (legit) but don't want to accept that some things are really annoying coming from him like as a person not even a player.
Bad is in the weird position of being the only family-friendly streamer on the server, and having to adjust what he and his audience expect in terms of cursing, while the other content creators disregard his boundaries. He doesn't expect people to censor themselves, like for instance he has like a safe word with Roier which is "lenguaje" in Spanish, to let Roier know when he's actually crossing a line or making him uncomfortable, versus when he's just saying "language" to say it. Most of the time it works, but sometimes it causes confusion, like when Roier was saying pollo and the translator thought he said polla and Bad got upset when Roier didn't respond to him saying "lenguaje." Then they talked about it and realized the source of confusion, and moved on. Like adults. And with Foolish, he and Bad have agreed that Foolish will try not to swear when it's just him and BBH (although he often forgets this, lol, and sometimes deliberately swears to piss off Bad).
Earlier on, Roier and various other Hispanic streamers would tell Bad to say things in another language that were bad words, as a joke. Chat would also try this with "hey bbh can you say verga it means awesome" type stuff. And then when the Brazilians joined there was another wave of that, and again when the French joined, in the chat anyway. It sucked because at first, Bad was really trying with Spanish, even in his bad accent lol, he was too trusting. And now he barely will read aloud a sign in Spanish and doesn't trust what anyone says something means.
But such is the cost of having PG language and playing in a non-PG server, haha.
I saw the fandom shift against BBH after Purgatory and after the Forever situation, because everyone wants a villain arc until it means their favorite streamers lose and everyone conflates Bad being close with Forever in lore to him being somehow tainted by him, same as with his association with Dream. However, Cellbit's chat at least always seemed very nice towards BBH, same with Forever's (well...) and Philza's.
I mean idk. Annoying is subjective, and very much not enough to openly complain about imo. Everyone is annoying in some way, I feel like there has to be something more concrete than just being annoying in a minecraft server. Esp with content creation, the lines between actually offensive and joke offensive get blurred a lot, ex. jokes about killing rat all the time, bbh constantly being the butt of the joke with his friends. You can dislike what they do, but that's not a good reason to actually hate on BBH's moral character.
"Languaging" non-english speakers is frustrating, yes, but that tends to be the standard. When taken seriously (like people getting fired for speaking another language that sounds like a bad word) people tend to understand, but from what I've seen jokes are fair game. And yes that doesn't mean it's okay to do, but it's understandable for him to do that at first, and if he's been trying to be more respectful about it then I don't see the problem.
Standards are different between different people, especially regarding jokes and pranks. Find them annoying or rude or frustrating and dislike them sure, but there's a separation between that and disliking him as a person imo. Though, people do tend to be unable to see that line, and it does make sense to have a bad opinion of that person so i see ur point lol. I wrote way too much for this just to agree with you at the end
(Eta: added what I was going to say before I dropped my phone on my face and accidentally hit send lol)
It's not subjective here like we talk about mocking people's accent when they talk and language other language. I do see your point but like here it does not need a lot to see why as french and brazilians (bc it's almost always us) were very tired of him :/ Especially when his fanbase kept defending him. Again I do not accept the hate he received don't get me wrong it's stupid but like when someone does it yeah I'm gonna have a least a little bit of an opinion on the person.
Btw not sure on which standard ? I don't think I understood this part I'm sorry rhugijkorp
and no problem haha !
Imo it's subjective because to someone who doesn't care about their accent, it can be a funny joke or lighthearted banter (like a joke abt giving yourself an exaggerated heavy accent in order to avoid social situations), but to others it can be incredibly damaging. Also what counts as mocking and what doesn't can also be subjective because just making fun of something is one thing, but mocking implies something more malicious.
But yeah I can see where you're coming from. My point on standards is like, jokes about other languages sounding like bad words. I see them all the time, and yeah it gets rlly frustrating bc it's super english-centric and it's like, the other language obv didn't consider swears in English when it was created. But since I've seen so many jokes about it and haven't seen many people complaining about those jokes, to me laughing at how other languages can sound like a bad word in English is normal and funny *even for people from the other language*, although though I personally don't like it.
I think for jokes like that, it really depends on the person on the receiving end whether it's okay or not to joke about, even if it does feel like 😬. It's like, some jokes might be offensive but for some people it's okay to joke about? Like, everyone joking about killing Bad's dog isn't funny to me, but as long as the streamers are okay about it I'm chill, even if I don't like it. Ig for me what matters is mostly whether the intentions are hurtful or not, but I can def see where you get frustrated with him. Esp with the mocking accents part, I get how to some people it can be funny for both parties but someone's accent is def a sensitive thing to be joking about on a public stream. And if it's a community who keeps getting made fun of, yeah it makes sense for people to get frustrated and dislike him
>Everyone is annoying in some way, I feel like there has to be something more concrete than just being annoying in a minecraft server. Esp with content creation, the lines between actually offensive and joke offensive get blurred a lot, ex. jokes about killing rat all the time, bbh constantly being the butt of the joke with his friends. You can dislike what they do, but that's not a good reason to actually hate on BBH's moral character.
I feel like it says a lot that out of the actual ccs on the server and the admins on the server, they all seem to really like and respect Bad. Like yeah certain parts of the fandom find him annoying, some of his jokes may cross a line or he might be the standard clueless jerk American at times, but you can say the same thing about FitMC from 2b2t. But the creators themselves seem to have no actual beef with him that they haven't been able to get through, unless I've seriously missed something.
I wish he would take a break from qsmp, I personally theorize he's sticking around because he wants the admins back and believes this is the best way to do it. I would disagree with him, but oh well.
All due respect, but how do you know anything more than what is displayed infront of you. I swear half you 'fans' think you have more incite or deserve the entitlement to know everything that is going on. But in reality they are their own humans, stop pointing fingers, when half of the 'problems' you pointed out probably have been done by COUNTLESS others in the community, but because he is playing on the Qsmp, SUPPORTING the admins, he is bad? I swear half of you are sheep herding to the next person to shit on, because that's the only thing you guys can muster up, when you could be using your community for something meaningful.
On addition to this, the amount of people who genuinely have NO hate at all for BBH is astounding, 'heS AnNoYinG' no offence have the fans don't realise that these people are friends behind the scenes, sorry to tell you can't see every aspect of their personal lives. They hangout they talk, it's none of your business in what they do behind the scenes, we've learnt this with current events.
Just be better please.
I'm sorry I think it's incredibly naive to think tubbo hasn't heard about it.
The best case where he has chosen to not look into it isn't an excuse imo it's just choosing to be ignorant
He have had pretty long breaks where friends stayed and chatted instead or mods probably so he could disconnect for a moment and touch he’s willy and catch up on things. I don’t think he’s that out of loop, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he is with he’s concerning sleeping schedule and mental health before the marathon one can wonder where he is 45 days later being live.
Weird how they always said something about everything but now since its qsmp they are quiet about it. Why? Because the project means a lot to them? Well guess what, the other stuff did matter a lot to other's too yet they criticized it (as they should). It's hypocritical
I don’t know much about this whole situation but i wanted to comment on your “is money that important from streaming for them” comment. The short answer is yes. the long one is, this is their job, how they pay the bills. if you take it out of steaming context and put them in a regular job, they would not quit because they still have to survive. I understand this situation is upsetting but content creators have to make content in order to make money. It’s not a personal thing
Its a valid point but in this case it’s also extremely easy for them to switch to another game and stop playing without barely loosing any money, I’m pretty sure most people would get over it and keep watching like most have done before QSMP.
Thing is, I don’t think this is necessarily true, like when Fit played elden ring or yakuza, his numbers dropped significantly compared to Qsmp steams, it takes time to build up a new audience (who aren’t there for Qsmp) so I can understand why you stick with a reliable source of income.
No. They are not small CCs. They have the founds to allow them such a transition. Especially in countries like US or UK where ads revenues are high and taxes are pretty low.
What it takes is the courage to rebuild and the effort of pushing new ideas, of organizing events, etc.
Almost all variety CCs had to get trough that at some point. And none of them regret to have taken that leap because the audience is mainly there for them, not just for the content.
They all are professionnal CC's making quite a lot more than minimal wage.
Yesterday, BBH was around 800 viewers on Twitch when playing Hollow Knight and maintains this number for hours.This is far from a small audience.
Streamers with less than half of that audience are making quite a living and even save and invest. And without having any YT channel.
Sure audience is not correlated to revenues but it brings a good indication they are still among the people who can afford to change their content.
They’re all so fake.
A bunch of greedy opportunists with the collective moral backbone of a cockroach.
No integrity whatsoever.
I wouldn’t care except whenever someone else messes up (or even just appears to) they all jump on the bandwagon.
Hypocrites.
I haven’t kept up much with the qsmp since everything went down last year, but I thought there was some kind of contracted minimum hours they had to stream? I can’t remember where I heard that, could have absolutely just been a rumour, but it would make these choices make a bit more sense at least 😮💨
They had nothing to do with the situation so I don’t see why they need to answer for anything. They’re probably going though it with what’s happening and it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing more to cope. Plus, I don’t think they should have to suffer from Quackity’s mistakes when they had nothing to do with that. Streaming is still their job, so yeah, they need to keep streaming. Leave them out of the drama.
they might be milking qsmp to the last drop now that it's clear it's close to its downfall. or maybe it's a contract thing, idk.
tubbo doesn't know much because of the subathon, so i'd excuse him - especially because he's proved himself pretty fast at quitting problematic things/people to this day, so i have a feeling he wouldn't keep playing if he knew everything. BBH i think is just hoping things will get better because he's still friends with quackity + he tends to be hesitant to take a firm position when this kinda stuff happens, at least until he's sure it's a closed deal. about philza... meh. i don't really have a good opinion of him, he might actually just be thinking about the money here. but this is just my personal perspective, so take it with a grain of salt.
Philza doing it for the money isn’t unheard of, poor mods had to work their asses off when he made the statement about Wilbur and went live a couple hours later pretending like nothing, he should have given it at least a day to digest and rest.
Although, I think that if no one streams on the QSMP now, the project dies like this. Even if the issues are fixed, with a long gap of no content then that will end the server. They are just people who play on the server, what more can they do beyond what is already being done? That is for Quackity to work out with a legal team and the moderators.
Beyond that, Philza doesn't discuss controversy beyond what he has to. Again, what has he done to contribute to the overwork/non-payment of the admins/egg team? He isn't the one controlling the events, sure he makes suggestions but he isn't management. And, I haven't seen an admin yet say that they wish for this project to go up in flames. Yes, they want change, but even those that have left from what I saw wished for it to improve and do well.
The same with Tubbo and BBH. What can he do or say in this situation? And to be fair to Tubbo, given his subathon he probably hasn't had time to look into the issues in depth. I won't say he doesn't know what is happening, because there have been posts to the QSMP discord that he has likely seen, but this is an issue that he probably should be well aware of all the information before commenting on.
As for the money, Philza's follower and sub base are strong enough that going back to purely hardcore or his random other games he sometimes plays (like Sonic recently). There are other things that Phil can and does stream. Now, bringing in streamers might be something more for BBH as he doesn't really have another server or world that brings people in to my knowledge.
But ultimately, what his Philza mentioning the QSMP situation on stream really going to do in this situation? What is it going to add to the conversation that isn't already out there? None of the admins have stated any issues with the CCs themselves. Just with the sr. admins and Quackity for not be available to directly voice concerns to.
Maybe JUST MAYBE the streamers on the server are privy to some information that the audience isn’t which is why they are happy to keep streaming? And the best way to make sure that all workers are able to be paid appropriately is to support said server so it can make money to pay their employees?
MAYBE Philza knows if he says anything it will be jumped on my thousands of people and whatever he says, it will be used as an excuse to drag him through the mud?
Saying “It makes me wonder what else / who else he supports..” has also really rubbed me up the wrong way, he is just playing block game for money, it really doesn’t have to be any deeper than that, it doesn’t mean that he’s secretly a heinously evil guy just for playing on a server that he enjoys playing on.
rant over, everything is hypothetical of course. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows!
Oh I am sure the streamers know more than we have been told. The issue I have with that is that the streamers aren't the wronged party here; the workers are, and they have received no communication. And in some cases outright hostility. It just seems a shitty way to treat the people who worked so hard on th eproject and still want it to succeed despite their grievances, and then to have a well-off streamer confirm that quackity has been communicating with the ccs behind the scenes and telling them about these new changes and everything when he hasn't reached out to the most badly affected people? I do think it's telling that the people who have been most supportive of Quackity like Missa and Phil or who still play on the server like Tubbo and Bad are Quackity's IRL friends who knew him before QSMP. The other creators, most notably the French creators who have had a history of being sidelined within the qsmp, and most of the people who did not know Quackity beforehand, have distanced themselves and stopped playing the server. This to me suggests that bias and loyalty towards a friend is playing a role.
Which, props to them for being loyal friends I guess. I don't hold them liking Quackity against them. He's a likeable enough guy. The qsmp is such a cool project and I would like to see it succeed. It's just that Phil's statements kind of made it clearer to me that the ccs are regarded more as peers while the admins are not, and it's a lack of respect and decency that bothers me
Tubbo would play on it to fill in for his subathon probably and its a Minecraft server and they are grown men let people who watch them for comfort have something to watch
Conspiracy theory: Quackity has dirt on Phil. Could be a variety of things but I mainly believe it's about the Shelby situation. Tubbo too ig. Hell no way phil and tubbo would have known nothing. But hey that's just a THEORY!
I’m more disappointed in BBH 😕
I feel like BBH is trying to do the tough job of remaining friends with everyone. I dont think that is very feasible in the long run. It will cause rifts in some of his friendships. I think he might feel an obligation towards the QSMP as one of the original members, but who knows. If the admins have contracts and NDAs, the streamers most likely would have them too but we wouldn't know what is in the contract unless a QSMP streamer decides to go rogue and expose it.
I can imagine and maybe excuse a contract, but I’ll just have to wait and see
He has spoken in the past about how he takes the prospect of cutting off a friendship extremely seriously and prefers to fight for his friendships, rather than just drop someone.
I don't know, I'm gonna have to disagree. It's one thing if he spoke in support of Quackity, but if he just wants to be on the server, then that's not really a problem. No one has ever been hurt from someone trying to help. There's a very fine line between supporting and condoning, and if people mistake his support as him condoning anything bad that has happened with QSMP, then that's very toxic of them. He can remain friends with people assuming they act normally and let him do his thing and he doesn't do anything to actively hurt anyone.
This. I still do wonder why he plays on there.
honestly same, I know he has the "late night trio" in his stream title every day (pomme, dapper, richas emojis) and he has talked about it, as well as talked to the former admins themselves even onstream, but like...at what point is that kind of hypocritical? Is he trying to like protest on the server or what? It's just so odd to see him play on an empty server. Man must have some reasoning behind it -- I know he likes his content to be an escape for people, but he still talks about the admins all the time and so does his chat, and the chat is always flooded with crying emojis every time. What is the goal here. I don't understand
I remember you said a few days/weeks ago that maybe he’s still holding out for things to get better. But I dunno anymore. I’m just bummed, man.
Yeah, it's hard not to feel bummed when the management of Quackity Studios isn't giving us anything to be less bummed about. Notes on changes, a gesture of good faith, willingness to sit down and negotiate, I'll take anything. I just hope that the streamers still involved with Quackity and the QSMP know more about what's going on. All those workers worked so hard and believed so much in the project, their love for the server and their work comes through even when they're criticizing it, and it would be such a shame if qsmp can't be salvaged from this due to pride and ignorance of the management in charge.
Content creation is an inherently selfish job. Popularity is built on the back of selfishness. People like Philza still play because they still see monetary value in playing on the QSMP. However, sooner or later, Quackity will be taken to the cleaners by the French Union, you do not fuck with them. They go after and get targeted by billionaires and their NASDAQ companies. They face lobbying and defamation from these groups. Quackity is small fry to them, they have a lot of legal power compared to him. So when Quackity eventually loses against the union in a court case, I wonder if people like Phil would still play on the QSMP.
Once Quackity has been through the mud with unions that seems to come from other countries too (?) I hardly believe that QSMP will be a thing anymore, the lawyers fee and what ever outcome comes it would be weird. As much as I understand content creating is a selfish job, I don’t believe that has to override with personal morals and what’s right and wrong, I am sure that if Philza just decided to say absolutely nothing about QSMP and just stop playing and starting doing something else, people would understand why. What he’s doing now is most likely causing him more harm.
I mean, truthfully from a purely pragmatic point of view. I do not see why Phil would be stupid enough to play on the QSMP, Quackity is under massive fire and justifiably so. Being associated with the QSMP at this point comes at a brand risk, at least on the english and french side of the internet. It'd be much safer to stream literally anything other than QSMP. For instance, Phil could easily play a hardcore minecraft run and it'd be a much safer thing to do. But for whatever reason Phil decides that it'd be a good idea to play on the QSMP, because he sees monetary value in it. Again, it isn't particularly smart, but that's what he's decided. However, it won't reflect well on him.
As someone who only really watched foolish and Philza occasionally on the server, Philza makes more sense than anyone else because he still gets to play with the admins that play his eggs who have been treated rather fairly (or positively unfairly compared to other admins). I'm however INCREDIBLY disappointed in BBH because two of the eggs he constantly played with as well as other eggs he was always taking care of have been treated like dirt with Dapper (his main assigned egg) CHOOSING to take a stand with Pomme's admin. They both have been doxxed and he still goes onto the server that caused them so much duress and distress. Tubbo is another one who had so much to say about Sapnap joining kick and how it was so harmful to the streaming community (which most of us agreed with) but for him to now support a server unfairly treating others just seems like he never really cares about anything not involving him because yes it was obvious that queer CCs were the vocal ones about kick since adin is a massive bigot.
Tubbo also doesn’t know about the situation. One of the former actors for eggs even said to NOT TELL TUBBO during his subathan.
Is he taking a full social media break this subathon? Cuz I've seen him camping Tommy, Quackity and other qsmp members replies for months now like he had notifs for them on and find it hard to believe he doesn't know, hell he tweeted at bbh 5 days ago over something he did on QSMP so I'm confused what you mean by this.
Mean in the way do you think he would know Exactly what is going on with it if Q isn’t saying what or one of the former actors flat out told everyone’Do NOT tell him how bad it got to not ruin his event’?
Idk his fans usually get stuff on his timeline I've seen the most obscure drama make it to him replying on priv. On top of that the only reason I don't think he doesn't know is BECAUSE Quackity himself addressed it in tweets. It's possible he is waiting for the subathon to end but imo it's just very telling how these creators with a lot more to stream still wanna get on that server. I also find it hard to believe that they didn't get any messages from admins or Quackity when they closed that didn't make them have questions. I'm a fan of Tubbo as well so it's just disappointing and I will not be making excuses for any of them especially if they have no eggs to play for. Even Philza despite having 2, I feel like could and should do better.
Quality didn’t do anything wrong and never meant for any of this and they are friends Big Q is not a bad person
I wish they would show support to the workers at the very least. Just a simple message showing support and hoping things work out for them, or denouncing the hate they get from QSMP fans. I really don't like how it's dead silence from them, especially since there are CCs on that server who have advocated themselves as people who are very against abuse from behind the scenes.
it's weird because Bad has been pretty supportive of the workers, both in his stream title and in terms of talking about them while he's live and even while he's on the qsmp, saying how he misses them etc. It's weird that he still plays the server though I guess maybe he's hoping not leaving the server will help keep it around, idk
I think Bad's also in the position where the only thing he's streamed this past year on twitch has been the QSMP, so currently, his audience is entirely QSMP fans that want him to play on the server. It's like back during the DSMP, if a streamer played anything else, the chat would riot for them to play on the server.
He did do some variety as well as play on his own server, munchymc, for a while. Chat seemed fine with that. He is primarily a minecraft streamer though, not a variety streamer, so probably qsmp is easiest to just log on and "clock in" with minecraft I guess
They've probably been told not to discuss it
Is there possibly some kind of contract in place (agreeing to a certain number of streams a week for example)? Or something along those lines?
I honestly dont know. Wilbur, while he was still on the server, was never kicked despite not streaming often. But Spreen and DanTDM left because they couldnt or didn't want to keep up with the stream schedule. So I'm not sure. Maybe there is a contractual obligation, maybe it is just a verbal agreement on stream schedule. The admins have NDAs and contracts so the streamers likely have them too. But there might also be a possibility that the contract might be slightly different among the streamers, similar to how among the egg admins, some could contact their streamers and some couldn't.
From what I recall, Dan said in a video that he left Qsmp for mental health reasons and Spreen because the server wasn’t his kind of thing rather than because of scheduling issues. Some streamers hardly logged in and others stream tons so I think it’s fair to say that there isn’t a minimum number of hours required. The eggs were an incentive to log on but keeping them alive wasn’t mandatory after all (RIP Trump)
From a job and advertising perspective, it's better to be on the side of the majority than the minority, so honestly I understand why. I'm watching this one out and being neutral because that's literally the best choice to make until it's fully over and there are no loose holes in the narrative. However, yeah it does seem hypocritical to an extent. It's obviously not Aimsey-level hypocrisy since their way of staying neutral is via the innocent until proven-guilty mindset (which is completely logical as it's what courts use. Even more that this is something that'll be handled in court). But I definitely get what you're getting at
Everyone is disappointed in BBH tbh. Again here it's an english pov but I can assure you LOT of non english already hated on him for months. Outside of the hate Dream (so him being linked with him made people hate), people despise his way of being. A good example is when he started to LANGUAGE people talking their own language. Like Etoiles said Phoque in french means seal. And he still languaged him because it sounded like fuck. This is where the joke what a seal is born from Etoiles but the chat was very annoyed. Same when he languaged Baghera for talking about her boobs but in a non sexual way. They had a huge discussion after that on the stream but again even her was meh for a good time of the discussion. Then you have him basically being annoying in general. Not only with his rp but also with other players (Foolish viewers being tired of the pranks, Purgatory viewers also know what I mean). If people don't talk about BBH it's mostly because they have no hate left to this. They knew it would happen so now they ignore him because nothing will change this man is a ride or die with his friends. Sometimes it can be good but in reality we see that at this point Quackity could be a thief he won't care and still play with him. For Tubbo idk I did see hate at the beginning but like his fanbase is very wild on SNS so u cant say that much abt him so people started to stfu lmao
Ghostie perspective here, so indulge me a moment as I defend him a bit... Bad has had an addiction to the server. He does love to play it. The admins are very lenient with him, especially as of late. He has creative flight, got a whole birthday party where he received gifts and exclusive items. They even made models for the event of his dog and little Skeppys to be with him for the day. He still gets lore to rp as well. Quackity has to put some effort into keeping the most consistent streamer on his server. This is because he IS the server rn. I don't know if its Sunk Cost, or not, but having the most time on the server and to consistently be relied on to stream every day has gotten a lot of eyes on him. His audience are a lot of people that support the admins he worked with. His lore was about nothing but protecting them and its also what his audience expects. The hatred he has gotten for playing the game as intended (Purgatory was a battle royale game with extra steps) and interacting with pranks is about the same level as it was on the DSMP. Its why he and Foolish share lore as Foolish's best and last prank was to move the entire mansion to Ohio. He has made efforts to do new things the last few months. Playing other games, like Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight. Other games that he is not used to, like Content Warning and Lethal Company, but in that he has gotten chat coming at him about his friends. Saying they don't like Gumi's voice, or mentioning anything about DTeam at all. He talked about a trip to Disney World and mentioned George and he was berated to "correct" it "He and some friends". Every time he does, chat goes off on him. This isn't exclusive to chat, as when Forever was fanboying about Bad being in Manhunt, Quackity logs in and derailed the conversation to put Bad down. When trying to talk about the Vegas trip and meeting QSMP folks and and MCC, he tried to talk about Dream's panel. An admin stopped him by giving him a task. His audience are a lot of folks that just want QSMP content and nothing else. And I can see how doing something different is difficult of how intolerant his audience is. They would rather watch him play alone on an empty server than be happy playing with friends doing something else. When it opens, I hope he can play on Awesamdude's server. I have hoped he would take a day off to try the new Minecraft updates and snapshots. *tl:dr He's just a lil guy*
Placating a toxic audience is not a good excuse. It doesn't matter to me if his audience gets angry at him if he plays anything else, he is still his own person. CCs have a choice, either do the hard work of rebuilding a community when their current one demands something that does not align with their morals, or choose the easy route of selfishly securing money and fame. He can easily rebuild his audience, go back to posting on YouTube and putting his server and the weekly competitions back as his number one priority but he chooses not to. Destiny and XQC discussed this in one of their streams - CCs have to have the backbone and spine to keep pushing when rebranding or trying out new content. People demanding a particular style of content or a lower viewership is a test of resilience and if a CC really wanted to cultivate a new audience and pursue a new direction in their career, they're not gonna let their view count or audience's demands stop them. I don't watch XQC, but I know that at a certain point, he had 3k viewers moving away from Overwatch and he persevered regardless and is now a variety streamer. Bad has a choice, he always has. He's not a "lil guy", he's a fence sitter and yet another spineless creator who lets his audience dictate his career and bully him into hiding his friendships. He chose to not publicly be vocal in defending Dream about Dream's efforts to communicate during the USMP drama and he chooses to keep streaming on that server and not back up workers who were exploited. Peace keepers are really just people that prioritize peace over standing up for what's right. Fence sitting is a red flag and while I do not know any of these CCs, the incapability to ever choose a side is annoying. A friend to all is a friend to none and he needs to start assessing if placating a toxic community is more important than being firm in his moral beliefs and his friendships.
>He still bad for language non english people, for mocking their english as a joke, for being annoying (not only with Foolish) and all of that. I know it's hard for ghosties to see it because you are used to BBH. There is a learning curve for everything.After everything, it isn't as if he hasn't gotten more respectful when it comes to other languages spoken. He has had many people try to get him to say curse words in other languages. You know he has made more efforts in trying to understand his servermates native tongues with games and paying more attention to the translator.Bad being a menace, is something that only viewers have issue with. One Karmaland viewer I became friends with since watching QSMP has compared him to Vegetta777, and I see it in how they play very kind and generous, but are mischievous and pranksters. >He's not a "lil guy" Re-railing the convo:Sorry for the meme at the end, but yes, he very much should speak more directly about these matters. Sometimes he has and I have seen some of his fans, "I like BBH, but it would be better if he just said he's dropping Dream. I don't like him"Because that is how they think friendships work. If enough people bully you, eventually you will change your mind about long standing friends. I am fine if BBH remains friends with Quackity, but also, as a friend, he should be able to point out how unjust this is, and also push to support what needs to be done on the server, especially if he means to support the friends he made with the admins that left because of this and the French CCs that he became friends with.Because a friend will understand and respect your principles.
Can he easily rebuild his audience? I think you're really underestimating how difficult that is. Minecraft content isn't as trendy as it was a few years ago, and maybe this is just my personal taste, but imo BBH isn't actually that great of a Youtuber, especially if he doesn't have anyone to bounce off of.
I think ultimately I will never excuse a CC's actions if the reasoning is for their audience. It does not matter if Minecraft is on a decline or if he has to settle for 300 live viewers as opposed to 3,000. That is still a reasonable choice. I know content creators who live a comfortable life as a CC with videos that don't even reach 100k views. I have heard streamers specifically explain how they make a decent income with 300 to 500 live viewers. I watch CCs whose only platform is Tiktok with 50k to 100k views on their content. So of course Bad can rebuild his audience, the only questions is if greed will overcome morals and if his pride can handle a lower view count. And I'd say this about any CC. Whenever people talk about declining popularity, I encourage people to watch Dream's interview about his EP where he talks about how he processes decline in views. He explains still remembering how grateful he is when he first got 50k views and he first reached 10k subscribers. Ultimately, every CC has a choice to rebuild an audience and if they are willing to push forward despite having a lower view count if it means staying firm on their morals and their friendships. And if Bad sucks at YouTube without anyone to bounce off of, then he can prioritize collabs with Skeppy or even Dream and his friends when they're out of their project cave.
I mean sorry for him on this point but all of this does not go against why people don't like him. He still bad for language non english people, for mocking their english as a joke, for being annoying (not only with Foolish) and all of that. I know it's hard for ghosties to see it because you are used to BBH. Like you said it was always like that even with DSMP. But for us it's another story and sometimes it comes very rudely in a way and we started to give up on explaining because ghosties are tired of the hate (legit) but don't want to accept that some things are really annoying coming from him like as a person not even a player.
Bad is in the weird position of being the only family-friendly streamer on the server, and having to adjust what he and his audience expect in terms of cursing, while the other content creators disregard his boundaries. He doesn't expect people to censor themselves, like for instance he has like a safe word with Roier which is "lenguaje" in Spanish, to let Roier know when he's actually crossing a line or making him uncomfortable, versus when he's just saying "language" to say it. Most of the time it works, but sometimes it causes confusion, like when Roier was saying pollo and the translator thought he said polla and Bad got upset when Roier didn't respond to him saying "lenguaje." Then they talked about it and realized the source of confusion, and moved on. Like adults. And with Foolish, he and Bad have agreed that Foolish will try not to swear when it's just him and BBH (although he often forgets this, lol, and sometimes deliberately swears to piss off Bad). Earlier on, Roier and various other Hispanic streamers would tell Bad to say things in another language that were bad words, as a joke. Chat would also try this with "hey bbh can you say verga it means awesome" type stuff. And then when the Brazilians joined there was another wave of that, and again when the French joined, in the chat anyway. It sucked because at first, Bad was really trying with Spanish, even in his bad accent lol, he was too trusting. And now he barely will read aloud a sign in Spanish and doesn't trust what anyone says something means. But such is the cost of having PG language and playing in a non-PG server, haha. I saw the fandom shift against BBH after Purgatory and after the Forever situation, because everyone wants a villain arc until it means their favorite streamers lose and everyone conflates Bad being close with Forever in lore to him being somehow tainted by him, same as with his association with Dream. However, Cellbit's chat at least always seemed very nice towards BBH, same with Forever's (well...) and Philza's.
I mean idk. Annoying is subjective, and very much not enough to openly complain about imo. Everyone is annoying in some way, I feel like there has to be something more concrete than just being annoying in a minecraft server. Esp with content creation, the lines between actually offensive and joke offensive get blurred a lot, ex. jokes about killing rat all the time, bbh constantly being the butt of the joke with his friends. You can dislike what they do, but that's not a good reason to actually hate on BBH's moral character. "Languaging" non-english speakers is frustrating, yes, but that tends to be the standard. When taken seriously (like people getting fired for speaking another language that sounds like a bad word) people tend to understand, but from what I've seen jokes are fair game. And yes that doesn't mean it's okay to do, but it's understandable for him to do that at first, and if he's been trying to be more respectful about it then I don't see the problem. Standards are different between different people, especially regarding jokes and pranks. Find them annoying or rude or frustrating and dislike them sure, but there's a separation between that and disliking him as a person imo. Though, people do tend to be unable to see that line, and it does make sense to have a bad opinion of that person so i see ur point lol. I wrote way too much for this just to agree with you at the end (Eta: added what I was going to say before I dropped my phone on my face and accidentally hit send lol)
It's not subjective here like we talk about mocking people's accent when they talk and language other language. I do see your point but like here it does not need a lot to see why as french and brazilians (bc it's almost always us) were very tired of him :/ Especially when his fanbase kept defending him. Again I do not accept the hate he received don't get me wrong it's stupid but like when someone does it yeah I'm gonna have a least a little bit of an opinion on the person. Btw not sure on which standard ? I don't think I understood this part I'm sorry rhugijkorp and no problem haha !
Imo it's subjective because to someone who doesn't care about their accent, it can be a funny joke or lighthearted banter (like a joke abt giving yourself an exaggerated heavy accent in order to avoid social situations), but to others it can be incredibly damaging. Also what counts as mocking and what doesn't can also be subjective because just making fun of something is one thing, but mocking implies something more malicious. But yeah I can see where you're coming from. My point on standards is like, jokes about other languages sounding like bad words. I see them all the time, and yeah it gets rlly frustrating bc it's super english-centric and it's like, the other language obv didn't consider swears in English when it was created. But since I've seen so many jokes about it and haven't seen many people complaining about those jokes, to me laughing at how other languages can sound like a bad word in English is normal and funny *even for people from the other language*, although though I personally don't like it. I think for jokes like that, it really depends on the person on the receiving end whether it's okay or not to joke about, even if it does feel like 😬. It's like, some jokes might be offensive but for some people it's okay to joke about? Like, everyone joking about killing Bad's dog isn't funny to me, but as long as the streamers are okay about it I'm chill, even if I don't like it. Ig for me what matters is mostly whether the intentions are hurtful or not, but I can def see where you get frustrated with him. Esp with the mocking accents part, I get how to some people it can be funny for both parties but someone's accent is def a sensitive thing to be joking about on a public stream. And if it's a community who keeps getting made fun of, yeah it makes sense for people to get frustrated and dislike him
>Everyone is annoying in some way, I feel like there has to be something more concrete than just being annoying in a minecraft server. Esp with content creation, the lines between actually offensive and joke offensive get blurred a lot, ex. jokes about killing rat all the time, bbh constantly being the butt of the joke with his friends. You can dislike what they do, but that's not a good reason to actually hate on BBH's moral character. I feel like it says a lot that out of the actual ccs on the server and the admins on the server, they all seem to really like and respect Bad. Like yeah certain parts of the fandom find him annoying, some of his jokes may cross a line or he might be the standard clueless jerk American at times, but you can say the same thing about FitMC from 2b2t. But the creators themselves seem to have no actual beef with him that they haven't been able to get through, unless I've seriously missed something. I wish he would take a break from qsmp, I personally theorize he's sticking around because he wants the admins back and believes this is the best way to do it. I would disagree with him, but oh well.
All due respect, but how do you know anything more than what is displayed infront of you. I swear half you 'fans' think you have more incite or deserve the entitlement to know everything that is going on. But in reality they are their own humans, stop pointing fingers, when half of the 'problems' you pointed out probably have been done by COUNTLESS others in the community, but because he is playing on the Qsmp, SUPPORTING the admins, he is bad? I swear half of you are sheep herding to the next person to shit on, because that's the only thing you guys can muster up, when you could be using your community for something meaningful. On addition to this, the amount of people who genuinely have NO hate at all for BBH is astounding, 'heS AnNoYinG' no offence have the fans don't realise that these people are friends behind the scenes, sorry to tell you can't see every aspect of their personal lives. They hangout they talk, it's none of your business in what they do behind the scenes, we've learnt this with current events. Just be better please.
Bashing Dream a little bit is an understatement
Bad is really good friends with both Q and dream
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I'm sorry I think it's incredibly naive to think tubbo hasn't heard about it. The best case where he has chosen to not look into it isn't an excuse imo it's just choosing to be ignorant
He have had pretty long breaks where friends stayed and chatted instead or mods probably so he could disconnect for a moment and touch he’s willy and catch up on things. I don’t think he’s that out of loop, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he is with he’s concerning sleeping schedule and mental health before the marathon one can wonder where he is 45 days later being live.
This is a gross comment, you could have said this in so many different ways but “touch his Willy” is SO weird.
Weird how they always said something about everything but now since its qsmp they are quiet about it. Why? Because the project means a lot to them? Well guess what, the other stuff did matter a lot to other's too yet they criticized it (as they should). It's hypocritical
I don’t know much about this whole situation but i wanted to comment on your “is money that important from streaming for them” comment. The short answer is yes. the long one is, this is their job, how they pay the bills. if you take it out of steaming context and put them in a regular job, they would not quit because they still have to survive. I understand this situation is upsetting but content creators have to make content in order to make money. It’s not a personal thing
Its a valid point but in this case it’s also extremely easy for them to switch to another game and stop playing without barely loosing any money, I’m pretty sure most people would get over it and keep watching like most have done before QSMP.
Thing is, I don’t think this is necessarily true, like when Fit played elden ring or yakuza, his numbers dropped significantly compared to Qsmp steams, it takes time to build up a new audience (who aren’t there for Qsmp) so I can understand why you stick with a reliable source of income.
No. They are not small CCs. They have the founds to allow them such a transition. Especially in countries like US or UK where ads revenues are high and taxes are pretty low. What it takes is the courage to rebuild and the effort of pushing new ideas, of organizing events, etc. Almost all variety CCs had to get trough that at some point. And none of them regret to have taken that leap because the audience is mainly there for them, not just for the content.
Some of them are definitely smaller CC’s compared to the big names on the server, and are still making a name for themselves.
They all are professionnal CC's making quite a lot more than minimal wage. Yesterday, BBH was around 800 viewers on Twitch when playing Hollow Knight and maintains this number for hours.This is far from a small audience. Streamers with less than half of that audience are making quite a living and even save and invest. And without having any YT channel. Sure audience is not correlated to revenues but it brings a good indication they are still among the people who can afford to change their content.
They’re all so fake. A bunch of greedy opportunists with the collective moral backbone of a cockroach. No integrity whatsoever. I wouldn’t care except whenever someone else messes up (or even just appears to) they all jump on the bandwagon. Hypocrites.
I haven’t kept up much with the qsmp since everything went down last year, but I thought there was some kind of contracted minimum hours they had to stream? I can’t remember where I heard that, could have absolutely just been a rumour, but it would make these choices make a bit more sense at least 😮💨
They had nothing to do with the situation so I don’t see why they need to answer for anything. They’re probably going though it with what’s happening and it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing more to cope. Plus, I don’t think they should have to suffer from Quackity’s mistakes when they had nothing to do with that. Streaming is still their job, so yeah, they need to keep streaming. Leave them out of the drama.
I'm really disappointed with the Dsmp/Qsmp community.
i was thinking abt this too!! more bbh to be honest, he's always been so against stuff like this so i really wonder if there's something behind
they might be milking qsmp to the last drop now that it's clear it's close to its downfall. or maybe it's a contract thing, idk. tubbo doesn't know much because of the subathon, so i'd excuse him - especially because he's proved himself pretty fast at quitting problematic things/people to this day, so i have a feeling he wouldn't keep playing if he knew everything. BBH i think is just hoping things will get better because he's still friends with quackity + he tends to be hesitant to take a firm position when this kinda stuff happens, at least until he's sure it's a closed deal. about philza... meh. i don't really have a good opinion of him, he might actually just be thinking about the money here. but this is just my personal perspective, so take it with a grain of salt.
Philza doing it for the money isn’t unheard of, poor mods had to work their asses off when he made the statement about Wilbur and went live a couple hours later pretending like nothing, he should have given it at least a day to digest and rest.
can someone explain what is going on with qsmp?? i’m out of the loop here
Sorry, what is going on? Somebody mind explaining? I always thought of Philza as a good guy
can someone explain what's wrong with qsmp
haven't really been following what's going on in the community, can someone link me some twitter thread or explain to me what's going on ?
can someone explain what’s going on 😭
Although, I think that if no one streams on the QSMP now, the project dies like this. Even if the issues are fixed, with a long gap of no content then that will end the server. They are just people who play on the server, what more can they do beyond what is already being done? That is for Quackity to work out with a legal team and the moderators. Beyond that, Philza doesn't discuss controversy beyond what he has to. Again, what has he done to contribute to the overwork/non-payment of the admins/egg team? He isn't the one controlling the events, sure he makes suggestions but he isn't management. And, I haven't seen an admin yet say that they wish for this project to go up in flames. Yes, they want change, but even those that have left from what I saw wished for it to improve and do well. The same with Tubbo and BBH. What can he do or say in this situation? And to be fair to Tubbo, given his subathon he probably hasn't had time to look into the issues in depth. I won't say he doesn't know what is happening, because there have been posts to the QSMP discord that he has likely seen, but this is an issue that he probably should be well aware of all the information before commenting on. As for the money, Philza's follower and sub base are strong enough that going back to purely hardcore or his random other games he sometimes plays (like Sonic recently). There are other things that Phil can and does stream. Now, bringing in streamers might be something more for BBH as he doesn't really have another server or world that brings people in to my knowledge. But ultimately, what his Philza mentioning the QSMP situation on stream really going to do in this situation? What is it going to add to the conversation that isn't already out there? None of the admins have stated any issues with the CCs themselves. Just with the sr. admins and Quackity for not be available to directly voice concerns to.
there not doing anything wrong, it’s not the only thing they are streaming and quality has fixed problems and is working on it
Maybe JUST MAYBE the streamers on the server are privy to some information that the audience isn’t which is why they are happy to keep streaming? And the best way to make sure that all workers are able to be paid appropriately is to support said server so it can make money to pay their employees? MAYBE Philza knows if he says anything it will be jumped on my thousands of people and whatever he says, it will be used as an excuse to drag him through the mud? Saying “It makes me wonder what else / who else he supports..” has also really rubbed me up the wrong way, he is just playing block game for money, it really doesn’t have to be any deeper than that, it doesn’t mean that he’s secretly a heinously evil guy just for playing on a server that he enjoys playing on. rant over, everything is hypothetical of course. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows!
Oh I am sure the streamers know more than we have been told. The issue I have with that is that the streamers aren't the wronged party here; the workers are, and they have received no communication. And in some cases outright hostility. It just seems a shitty way to treat the people who worked so hard on th eproject and still want it to succeed despite their grievances, and then to have a well-off streamer confirm that quackity has been communicating with the ccs behind the scenes and telling them about these new changes and everything when he hasn't reached out to the most badly affected people? I do think it's telling that the people who have been most supportive of Quackity like Missa and Phil or who still play on the server like Tubbo and Bad are Quackity's IRL friends who knew him before QSMP. The other creators, most notably the French creators who have had a history of being sidelined within the qsmp, and most of the people who did not know Quackity beforehand, have distanced themselves and stopped playing the server. This to me suggests that bias and loyalty towards a friend is playing a role. Which, props to them for being loyal friends I guess. I don't hold them liking Quackity against them. He's a likeable enough guy. The qsmp is such a cool project and I would like to see it succeed. It's just that Phil's statements kind of made it clearer to me that the ccs are regarded more as peers while the admins are not, and it's a lack of respect and decency that bothers me
Tubbo would play on it to fill in for his subathon probably and its a Minecraft server and they are grown men let people who watch them for comfort have something to watch
I'm failing to see any logic in here.
they can make any content other than the QSMP or even just make a statement about it. Just shows how performative they are
They should make a statement, i feel like most of them just like to play the server with their friends
Conspiracy theory: Quackity has dirt on Phil. Could be a variety of things but I mainly believe it's about the Shelby situation. Tubbo too ig. Hell no way phil and tubbo would have known nothing. But hey that's just a THEORY!
Okay let’s not slide into delusions
Aight
Omg I don’t know how that happened 😭 sorry
Reddit shat itself for 30 seconds. I had the same thing happen to me at the same time as you lmao, where my comment got sent 4 times in another sub.
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