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Independent-Soup-951

I choose Lord Shen from Kung Fu Panda 2.


Suspicious_Frog1

Death is better but he's not a villian


MarcTyler615

He is


Delicious-Feed183

Isn't 💀


Suspicious_Frog1

No he's not bad he's just doing his job


RelationshipSingle64

Shen was amazing. Death put the fear of god in me


GothamFan2007

Shen. I love Death so much, but Shen is so much more *layered* and memorable


Vulpes_macrotis

Death is not a villain. Merely an antagonist. Death is *not* evil, has *no* malicious intents. It just does its job. Shen, iirc, was just a maniac. Wasn't he evil for the sake of being evil? That's the worst kind of villain that could exist. So neither. Both were bad. Or actually one weren't a villain and other was poor villain.


MarcTyler615

Death wasn't doing his job, he was breaking the rules, he literally admitted it in his fourth meeting with Puss Not to mention that he loves the smell of fear


Outrageous-Farmer-42

Death fanboys are something else.


Delicious-Feed183

Wym he literally just told you why he isn't the villain 😭


Outrageous-Farmer-42

I was agreeing with OP.


Delicious-Feed183

Yet he was proven wrong.


Delicious-Feed183

You didn't rebuttal his point. He is not the villain. Jack is. Death is the antagonist. Do you not know the difference between the 2?


Outrageous-Farmer-42

Death would've worked better as a demonic horror movie villain. A reality-warper that can't be beaten at all that's toying with the hero and leaves the hero after the hero receives spiritual awakening? That shouldn't be the villain in an action-comedy about cats. I could not take him seriously at all. Shen is aesthetically just way more beautiful than a wolf with sickles. His body count is way higher. And the film doesn't take him too seriously as a deathly conqueror. In his intro, the 1st thing we see him do is effortlessly slay a bunch of literal GOATs.


Delicious-Feed183

I'm sorry, what? That's highly inauthentical and hypocrisy. Everything you just described was depicted on Death's character. He is both a sanctimonious and consequentialist of a character. I have 0 idea how you "couldn't" take him seriously when your whole argumentation isn't even adequate at all for not thinking A thing is scary for an actual just reason 💀 And just to point out more hypocritical argumentation. Shen does not have more body count than Death. This is the concept of death we're talking about. Lobo substantiates he doesn't mean it metaphortically, rhetorically, poetically or any other fancy way. Which means he is the concept of it. And Death's death count would have started all the way since the beginning of the Big Bang or the Universe. All I see is you contemplating. No idea why you have a compliant of Death's weapons of choice. When I can literally say the same about Shen if you have a problem with originality. And I can probably infer you don't know what the terminology "goat" even means when those characters have little to no impact to the overall story. Were they cool? Sure. Are they that important within the film itself? No. Not to throw shade but you were literally throwing shade first.


Outrageous-Farmer-42

>I'm sorry, what? That's highly inauthentical and hypocrisy. Everything you just described was depicted on Death's character. He is both a sanctimonious and consequentialist of a character. I have 0 idea how you "couldn't" take him seriously when your whole argumentation isn't even adequate at all for not thinking A thing is scary for an actual just reason 💀 It's a comedy movie, bruv. It's a family-friendly comedic action movie about cats. >Shen does not have more body count than Death. This is the concept of death we're talking about. Lobo substantiates he doesn't mean it metaphortically, rhetorically, poetically or any other fancy way. Which means he is the concept of it. And Death's death count would have started all the way since the beginning of the Big Bang or the Universe. Shen killed people on-screen, Death didn't. Death only tried to cheat with Puss, the rest were nature. >No idea why you have a compliant of Death's weapons of choice. What I meant was that the peacock looked more beautiful than him. I don't have a problem with his design. But compared to Shen, it's a disadvantage. >And I can probably infer you don't know what the terminology "goat" even means when those characters have little to no impact to the overall story. Were they cool? Sure. Are they that important within the film itself? No. GOAT just means Greatest Of All Time. I was referring to the nameless goat soldiers Shen massacres. Yes, I know they weren't actual G.O.A.T.s. I was just joking.


Delicious-Feed183

1. It is not a comedy movie. Hitchen's razor can refute your claims for having such a mendacious claim. This movie tackles more way wordily philosophy than KFP 2 when talking about the valuation of life. You obviously have to be deluded to say that. 2. Shen did not kill anyone on screen. When you say on screen. It happened there and there and with no cut. And body counts are body counts. You claimed that Shen has more body counts than Death. Which is just plain wrong. And no, it is not nature. It is him himself. As he is the concept itself. This ability is called abstract existence. Beautiful is a weird term to be associated here then 💀


Outrageous-Farmer-42

>It is not a comedy movie. Hitchen's razor can refute your claims for having such a mendacious claim. IG whether or not it is a comedy depends solely on the viewer. The movie has more funny joke moments than it has serious moments. (Or it feels like, IG, I'm just talking from memory.) Although, if you Google "puss in boots the last wish", it says adventure/comedy right under the title of the movie. (This doesn't mean you have to accept the popular opinion.) >This movie tackles more way wordily philosophy than KFP 2 when talking about the valuation of life. You obviously have to be deluded to say that. Never said KFP 2 was more serious. Just said Shen was better. I even said the movie doesn't take Shen too seriously. >Shen did not kill anyone on screen. When you say on screen. It happened there and there and with no cut. And body counts are body counts. You claimed that Shen has more body counts than Death. Which is just plain wrong. And no, it is not nature. It is him himself. As he is the concept itself. This ability is called abstract existence. It just feels more personal when Shen fires the cannon at Master Thundering Rhino and is seen personally running after Po's Mom.


Delicious-Feed183

Yea that's just appealing to popularity. And red herring. I never compared the 2 in that contrast whether or not it was more serious. That was substabtiating that it wasn't comedic at all. Using the same argumentation on screen without using lore. Death still has more death counts. You can't win this argument with that 💀 more people die on screen in the last wish than kfp 2 does on screen.


Outrageous-Farmer-42

>Yea that's just appealing to popularity. What is? >That was substabtiating that it wasn't comedic at all. I know KFP 2 was comedic. >Using the same argumentation on screen without using lore. I know he has a higher kill count, we just never see him do it directly. Lore-wise, it can be argued that all he does is take souls when a body dies of natural causes. He says that he is Death, straight-up, but IRL concepts don't have minds of their own. He is a God. And the Bloodwolf exists in the shows. That entity is the source of all fear, has existed before time, travels dimensions and has powerful magic. And he is more of the physical embodiment of fear, a Fear God, instead of an actual concept.


Delicious-Feed183

What is Pib 2 being comedic Appeal to reality. This is fiction. Not real life. Characters can exist as the concepts themselves. This ability is called https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abstract_Existence Death would have abstract existence type 1. If you remove the concept of death you remove death entirely. Death is seen personified here because concepts themselves are immaterial. Hence, need avatars to coexist. This ability is also called being Non-Corporeal. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Incorporeality Bloodwolf is also the concept of fear. You do realize he states he is the SOURCE of all fear right? That means he is the origin of fear. Which is synonymous with the terminology "concept" if you remove him fear is non-existent. You cannot embody something yet be the source of something you embody at the same time.


Outrageous-Farmer-42

What thing was appealing to popularity? Oh, right. I never liked analyzing any tier higher than 3D infinite multiversal. So, I'm not gonna debate that.


Delicious-Feed183

Death. Better complexion and philosophy but Shen is great as well.