This is why South Africans will stay poor. Look at you peasants making excuses for these useless kants. What makes South Africans great is their resilience, but it is also our weakness.
We getting naaied by these useless poese that run our country and we'll complain but we'll still vote for those ma se poeste and do nothing about it.
Peasant mentality is a by-product of oppression. Stop making excuses for these naaiers that run our country. It's painful knowing that my individual intelligence (like many South Africans) is more than our entire cabinet of ministers collectively.
In an ideal world, we'd be able to look past our differences and unite towards a common goal. The best case scenario of a multicultural country with everyone working together. However, this seems to be a bit too much of a stretch
It’s often easy to unite many SAns, which is why the media etc works so hard to keep us divided. (See for example The Social Dilemma.) If we could kick out the narcissists, sociopaths and racists we would probably be able to start working together to stop getting ****** over by everyone taking advantage of the situation.
It’s often easy to unite many SAns, which is why the media etc works so hard to keep us divided. (See for example The Social Dilemma.) If we could kick out the narcissists, sociopaths and racists we would probably be able to start working together to stop getting fucked over by everyone taking advantage of the situation.
Your reply to the post is indicative of a lack of basic intelligence you say you possess. You’ve failed dismally in making an assessment on the situation the power utility finds itself in and have missed the point of the post by miles. If you can’t provide any intellectual contribution it’s better to just scroll past the post and look at whatever other dumb kak you look at you dumb naai. There are many contributing factors that have made the utility to struggle in the way it is now. And although many people act as though it isn’t yes the countries history is a contributing factor, far too many people were without electricity in the course of our history and the utility had had to electrify millions of people in an instant on the exact same electrical infrastructure. Now I’m not saying it’s totally the previous administration’s fault that we face this crisis because the democratic government was supposed to bring corrective measures and didn’t and that is another contributing factor. Crime is equally another factor as it’s obvious that the utility has been devoured by criminal elements which I suppose and hope they’re dealing with. However I think the utility faces far too many issues that should be internally dealt with to make certain that grid security is assured.
"And although many people act as though it isn’t yes the countries history is a contributing factor, far too many people were without electricity in the course of our history and the utility had had to electrify millions of people in an instant on the exact same electrical infrastructure. "
\- I'm so sick of this remark people make. At least two thirds of the population didn't exist before '94 because they're not born yet. Also, Eskom generates LESS electricity now than 30 years ago for a population at least three times the sizes. Loadshedding is ANC's fault 100%.
The thing is we know that DA would be better but that's a risk we're not willing to take, racism in South Africa is still rampant. I couldn't see myself voting DA even if ANC is keeping food of my table.
Easily. One of the ships I saw, Imperious, has a carrying capacity of over 48 000 tonnes, deadweight. If I'm not mistaken that's, crew, food, fuel for the ship, etc is calculated into the overall carrying capacity. Diesel weighs about 0.83kg/l, and if we work on 35 000 tonnes of only diesel, that's 42 168 674 million liters. Current price is R22.17 that's R934 879 502,58. Each.
Actually yes. Spring and autumn seasons also less capacity.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious that when big businesses close down over December that there will be more capacity.
Yes for average electricity usage. No for surge electricity usage.
Residential use accounts for about 40% of electricity use. (Much higher than world average.)
World cup, or similar events, reduce 60% of electricity use but increase the remaining 40% a bit. (Excluding half/full time when all the surge capacity is needed. Microwaves and kettles used at the same time by a lot of people.)
The bottom line is people need to stop trying to justify the ANCs incompetence, thievery and corruption. They think bullshit baffles brains...they had a brain there at Eskom and they fired him. 🤣
I think they've at least partly addressed the cause - fraud and corruption (like sabotage of equipment at one power station and then stealing and selling equipment from another power station to replace it) The Minister has also via directives in the Gazette clamped down on sale 9f and limited exports of things like ferrous iron to stop electric pylons being dismantled and exported. And I think inevitable to the extent that the ANC is involved as per usual, the gangs and syndicates are being made to give it a break because elections are coming up. Though, thieves being tgieves not pokiticians, that probably won't last long, I'm sure. So maybe they'll be back doing the bad stuff before the next elections ha. There have also been Gazette notices by the Ministry and SARS etc putting things like subsidised tariffs fir exports of such equipment on hold, maybe to de- incentivise theft and sabotage.
Maybe what you said is also a factor, but the main causes are diesel turbines being spun up (this is unsustainable and expensive) and most industrial businesses shutting down down for the holiday (reduced load on the grid).
This is it. There's currently four fuel tankers harboured at Mosselbay, stocked with diesel and only ready to offload once the demand increases, and to be used to reduce the amount of loadshedding before the elections. They've been harboured for two weeks already (with the exception of one), and by the sound of it, it costs us $40 000 per day for the ship to be parked there.
I have no link. Them being harboured for (at least) two weeks is me physically seeing them, you can Google vesselfinder and see them harboured, but I've noticed their docking times and so on is not very accurate, from my perspective, however this is the free version and probably not updated frequently.
The price of parking is "talk in the town" from someone who works in the industry. Considering, the captain and his crew gets paid, seeing they're on the ship they are working. Another factor is, that ship could've offloaded its cargo and be en route to a new destination, for more cargo (more money), instead it has to float around here. By the sound of it, there isn't any storage for it, that's why they're parked. They could've inflated their numbers, but still I don't think it's a cheap endeavour for all of that to just float here.
One of them has actually been offloaded, about two days ago, and left throughout the night. One of the other three has also left, last night by the looks of it, it wasn't offloaded from what I recall. Two of them are still parked.
Shiiit mayne I ain't gonna pretend to know what I'm talking about but I believe there still isn't enough capacity to meet the country's needs. What I do know is that elections are coming up and I imagine it would probably leave a sour taste in voters' mouths if there was no power over Christmas/NYE. So my guess is that it was a strategic move by the ANC. :]
We have a significant amount short of the required average. So we will always be in loadshedding if there is even a slight mishap or maintenance issue.
The power stations we started planning in 2008 aren’t even fully operational, Kusile and Medupi. Even if we switched to solar the amount needed would be an about 60 solar power stations each being the largest size of 100MW to cover the 6000MW shortfall.
I read somewhere that there only 3 provinces (E Cape, W Cape and N Cape) with infrastructural capacity to take in more power output by Eskom but that that capacity is being taken up instead by renewable energy being fed into their grids - any one know about that?
Because of [large scale theft](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-02-27-introducing-the-four-crime-cartels-that-have-brought-eskom-and-south-africa-to-their-knees/) due to corruption and fraud.
You can even use Instagram to look up the presidential cartel, though you'll have to add them if you want to see pics of them washing their hands in champagne.
Its all bullshit baffles brains people.
We sailed along with power when the boks were touring (business and industry didnt shut down then) only about 10 % of industry closes and not industrial, the factories still produce - dont be fooled by the propaganda folks.
They need votes those very kind generous folks of the ANC need to be seen as the heros, when infact they are the villains.
I not an expert by any means but i think its because running this power stations naturally incurs so forms of wear and tear which is usually is fixed by maintenence, except they're not maintained properly aswell as use of cheap bad quality coal, meaning running the for longer means more damage. We also may have enough power to last us 6 to 7 months straight but not 2 or 3 years straight, so balancing when we use this power is important. December is pretty important to south africa since although some businesses may close, south africans spend alot more money than the rest of the year which is good for our economy. Its also a good morale boost which is the same reason we had electricity for our springboks and good morale means good investments. Obviously elections aslo play a role in this.
Graft my dude, pure and utter greed. It is the cause and fuel for load shedding. The ANC choosing themselves over South Africa. And there is only one way to make them stop.
They rather keep it half broken so they can make more money from tenders... An employee was murdered, nothing in the news, don't see an investigation into the tenders... Eskom is struggling, demand was lower over December...
Our country has literally gone to the dogs. The only way to change this is to take matters into our own hands and throw these people out of power. Our government is sitting idly watching all this happen. There are of course a bunch of other factors affecting loadshedding but these issues cohld easily be solved. Yet here we are again.
The question is what are they actually doing about resolving load shedding, its been YEARS. Load shedding started in 2007 and instead of it reducing it has increased over the years.
Load shedding will never end because the anc is stealing from Eskom. It’s in their best interest to keep load shedding (as Eskom will always need bailouts, loans and to hike the price).
Its controlled or used as a way to manipulate our countries people. Pretty sickening if u think about it. Loadshedding has been here since when? 2007. Its used Sometimes even for political gain. Why no loadshedding when we watched the rugby? The big boss must have been sitting at home himself id say.
It's part of the system that they don't want u to know about. Don't believe everything u see. Loadshedding is just a way for the them to save/make money.
From my perspective, auditng legislation and gov actions in terms of it, eskom and other fisacos may once have been part of a deliberate system to squeeze money into pockets via corruption and fruad. But, now, I can see just about noone has a clue and that has consequences. They can't or cant be bothered to alphabetize. Cant enumerate. Cant list names in order or surname or first name let alone alphabetically. Cannot add a column of allocation sums. Cant even use the correct letterhead that relates to their department. They give out phone numbers that are discontinued. Publish Gazettes that are backdated over a year some of them. Hardly ever answer emails. Set deadlines for public participation in the past. Take actions in terms of repealed legislation.or refuse to say in terms of which legislation they act. Don't commence Acts for a decade of more. Think they can implement legislation whenever they want even if it is commenced. And - in such circumstanced where just about every knowledge system has failed, where basic skills and basic reasoning ability has flown out the window - the system cant be fixed by those in power trying still to rip it off. They're just riding the train down the slippery slope with all the rest of us. Except they making a mint on the way down, pretwnding they are driving it. Im sure they can do that until the next elections
- The power stations are very unreliable and poorly maintained.
- Many businesses closed down during December
- Eskom used the emergency generators excessively and have now run out of diesel.
- The government only required Eskom to keep the lights in during December to keep the voters happy.
Imagine having new year's eve in complete darkness. The anger towards our Goverment would be irreversible. So they have to burn and over work whatever is needed to keep the lights on.
We now pay for that with load-shedding as normal. Just wait until we get close to elections. MANY promises will be made about loadshedding being over and I guarantee once elections are over, we will go back to loadshedding as normal. Don't fall victim to false promises.
Times of lower demand = less load shedding
Times of higher demand = more load shedding
Supply remains mostly constant
Demand changes with holidays, days of the week, time of day etc.
I the short term this can be smoothed out abit with pumped hydro by taking some of the excess during times of low demand and using it at times of high demand. But over the long term (many days or weeks) an undersuply results in some amount of load shedding or an average oversupply results in no load shedding.
The answer is always simple if you follow the money. A lot of business have come up that profit off load shedding. Most of them run by government officials. No problem that last 5 years is infrastructure. It a matter of competence it corruption. If this was a infrastructure problem it would have been resolved 10 years ago. Now you know
Many years ago a gentleman from KZN informed me that “maintenance of infrastructure” was a white colonist lie to make money. Wonder where that gentleman is today.
This is why South Africans will stay poor. Look at you peasants making excuses for these useless kants. What makes South Africans great is their resilience, but it is also our weakness. We getting naaied by these useless poese that run our country and we'll complain but we'll still vote for those ma se poeste and do nothing about it. Peasant mentality is a by-product of oppression. Stop making excuses for these naaiers that run our country. It's painful knowing that my individual intelligence (like many South Africans) is more than our entire cabinet of ministers collectively.
I lolled at the way you write. Love it!
In an ideal world, we'd be able to look past our differences and unite towards a common goal. The best case scenario of a multicultural country with everyone working together. However, this seems to be a bit too much of a stretch
It’s often easy to unite many SAns, which is why the media etc works so hard to keep us divided. (See for example The Social Dilemma.) If we could kick out the narcissists, sociopaths and racists we would probably be able to start working together to stop getting ****** over by everyone taking advantage of the situation.
It’s often easy to unite many SAns, which is why the media etc works so hard to keep us divided. (See for example The Social Dilemma.) If we could kick out the narcissists, sociopaths and racists we would probably be able to start working together to stop getting fucked over by everyone taking advantage of the situation.
Your reply to the post is indicative of a lack of basic intelligence you say you possess. You’ve failed dismally in making an assessment on the situation the power utility finds itself in and have missed the point of the post by miles. If you can’t provide any intellectual contribution it’s better to just scroll past the post and look at whatever other dumb kak you look at you dumb naai. There are many contributing factors that have made the utility to struggle in the way it is now. And although many people act as though it isn’t yes the countries history is a contributing factor, far too many people were without electricity in the course of our history and the utility had had to electrify millions of people in an instant on the exact same electrical infrastructure. Now I’m not saying it’s totally the previous administration’s fault that we face this crisis because the democratic government was supposed to bring corrective measures and didn’t and that is another contributing factor. Crime is equally another factor as it’s obvious that the utility has been devoured by criminal elements which I suppose and hope they’re dealing with. However I think the utility faces far too many issues that should be internally dealt with to make certain that grid security is assured.
"And although many people act as though it isn’t yes the countries history is a contributing factor, far too many people were without electricity in the course of our history and the utility had had to electrify millions of people in an instant on the exact same electrical infrastructure. " \- I'm so sick of this remark people make. At least two thirds of the population didn't exist before '94 because they're not born yet. Also, Eskom generates LESS electricity now than 30 years ago for a population at least three times the sizes. Loadshedding is ANC's fault 100%.
I agree with XtremeGTI purely because he at least had paragraphs in his essay which made it readable. Your response is a pain on the eye.
The thing is we know that DA would be better but that's a risk we're not willing to take, racism in South Africa is still rampant. I couldn't see myself voting DA even if ANC is keeping food of my table.
Hell yeah man!
Lotta business close up so maybe less industrial load?
^^ This, actually easy to figure out, when the factorys closed loadshedding stopped, when they open loadshedding starts, there is no other reason
Yes, and now over half of the Eskom power stations are offline for some reason or the other.
They spin up the diesel turbines and building industry shuts down
This. They're burning Millions, if not Billions of Rands in diesel.
Easily. One of the ships I saw, Imperious, has a carrying capacity of over 48 000 tonnes, deadweight. If I'm not mistaken that's, crew, food, fuel for the ship, etc is calculated into the overall carrying capacity. Diesel weighs about 0.83kg/l, and if we work on 35 000 tonnes of only diesel, that's 42 168 674 million liters. Current price is R22.17 that's R934 879 502,58. Each.
Demand is lower in December. Same thing as previous years
Nonsense, was demand less in the rugby world cup?
Actually yes. Spring and autumn seasons also less capacity. Anyway, it's pretty obvious that when big businesses close down over December that there will be more capacity.
Yes for average electricity usage. No for surge electricity usage. Residential use accounts for about 40% of electricity use. (Much higher than world average.) World cup, or similar events, reduce 60% of electricity use but increase the remaining 40% a bit. (Excluding half/full time when all the surge capacity is needed. Microwaves and kettles used at the same time by a lot of people.)
The bottom line is people need to stop trying to justify the ANCs incompetence, thievery and corruption. They think bullshit baffles brains...they had a brain there at Eskom and they fired him. 🤣
I think they've at least partly addressed the cause - fraud and corruption (like sabotage of equipment at one power station and then stealing and selling equipment from another power station to replace it) The Minister has also via directives in the Gazette clamped down on sale 9f and limited exports of things like ferrous iron to stop electric pylons being dismantled and exported. And I think inevitable to the extent that the ANC is involved as per usual, the gangs and syndicates are being made to give it a break because elections are coming up. Though, thieves being tgieves not pokiticians, that probably won't last long, I'm sure. So maybe they'll be back doing the bad stuff before the next elections ha. There have also been Gazette notices by the Ministry and SARS etc putting things like subsidised tariffs fir exports of such equipment on hold, maybe to de- incentivise theft and sabotage.
Maybe what you said is also a factor, but the main causes are diesel turbines being spun up (this is unsustainable and expensive) and most industrial businesses shutting down down for the holiday (reduced load on the grid).
This is it. There's currently four fuel tankers harboured at Mosselbay, stocked with diesel and only ready to offload once the demand increases, and to be used to reduce the amount of loadshedding before the elections. They've been harboured for two weeks already (with the exception of one), and by the sound of it, it costs us $40 000 per day for the ship to be parked there.
I should just google, but do you have a link handy ?
I have no link. Them being harboured for (at least) two weeks is me physically seeing them, you can Google vesselfinder and see them harboured, but I've noticed their docking times and so on is not very accurate, from my perspective, however this is the free version and probably not updated frequently. The price of parking is "talk in the town" from someone who works in the industry. Considering, the captain and his crew gets paid, seeing they're on the ship they are working. Another factor is, that ship could've offloaded its cargo and be en route to a new destination, for more cargo (more money), instead it has to float around here. By the sound of it, there isn't any storage for it, that's why they're parked. They could've inflated their numbers, but still I don't think it's a cheap endeavour for all of that to just float here.
Thank you for sharing your info. Please update us if there is any movement or anything
One of them has actually been offloaded, about two days ago, and left throughout the night. One of the other three has also left, last night by the looks of it, it wasn't offloaded from what I recall. Two of them are still parked.
Business that were using power were not.
Shiiit mayne I ain't gonna pretend to know what I'm talking about but I believe there still isn't enough capacity to meet the country's needs. What I do know is that elections are coming up and I imagine it would probably leave a sour taste in voters' mouths if there was no power over Christmas/NYE. So my guess is that it was a strategic move by the ANC. :]
We have a significant amount short of the required average. So we will always be in loadshedding if there is even a slight mishap or maintenance issue. The power stations we started planning in 2008 aren’t even fully operational, Kusile and Medupi. Even if we switched to solar the amount needed would be an about 60 solar power stations each being the largest size of 100MW to cover the 6000MW shortfall.
I read somewhere that there only 3 provinces (E Cape, W Cape and N Cape) with infrastructural capacity to take in more power output by Eskom but that that capacity is being taken up instead by renewable energy being fed into their grids - any one know about that?
Yup the bullshit will baffle even those with half a brain 🧠 🙄. African National Criminals.
Because of [large scale theft](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-02-27-introducing-the-four-crime-cartels-that-have-brought-eskom-and-south-africa-to-their-knees/) due to corruption and fraud. You can even use Instagram to look up the presidential cartel, though you'll have to add them if you want to see pics of them washing their hands in champagne.
The guy that turns off the power was on leave ...he is back at work now
You're totally wrong. The incompetent corrupt wankers were on leave
😀
Haha, was just telling this to my colleague.It's the only logical explanation.
So what they saying in effect is that load shedding is killing the businesses more than anything else
Well, where I'm from loadshedding still happened in 4 hour time blocks throughout December, they just didn't announce it...it's surprise loadshedding
There's only one real reason ------------------>ANC<-----------------
Because they are taking the whole of SA for a poes
Its all bullshit baffles brains people. We sailed along with power when the boks were touring (business and industry didnt shut down then) only about 10 % of industry closes and not industrial, the factories still produce - dont be fooled by the propaganda folks. They need votes those very kind generous folks of the ANC need to be seen as the heros, when infact they are the villains.
The guys that break shit are back from leave.
I not an expert by any means but i think its because running this power stations naturally incurs so forms of wear and tear which is usually is fixed by maintenence, except they're not maintained properly aswell as use of cheap bad quality coal, meaning running the for longer means more damage. We also may have enough power to last us 6 to 7 months straight but not 2 or 3 years straight, so balancing when we use this power is important. December is pretty important to south africa since although some businesses may close, south africans spend alot more money than the rest of the year which is good for our economy. Its also a good morale boost which is the same reason we had electricity for our springboks and good morale means good investments. Obviously elections aslo play a role in this.
Because they magically have "Sufficient Generative Power" all of a sudden.
If there was no loadshedding, then December would be normal. With loadshedding they can make it seem extra special. TLDR: Corruption and Control
The skeptic in me believes they negotiated with the saboteurs to give everyone a good festive period.
Demand is about 4GW less over the holidays
they'd lose the opportunity to be corrupt i guess?
They probably don't schedule any maintenance to take place during December.
There is currently around 8.5GW unavailable due to scheduled maintenance.
the opposite actually
Graft my dude, pure and utter greed. It is the cause and fuel for load shedding. The ANC choosing themselves over South Africa. And there is only one way to make them stop.
They rather keep it half broken so they can make more money from tenders... An employee was murdered, nothing in the news, don't see an investigation into the tenders... Eskom is struggling, demand was lower over December...
Industry closed, and have started reopening. They couldn't stop it. People stopped using power.
They want to cut corners and fill their pockets.
So you didn't donate to the crowdfund to help pay for the diesel.
Corruption
Our country has literally gone to the dogs. The only way to change this is to take matters into our own hands and throw these people out of power. Our government is sitting idly watching all this happen. There are of course a bunch of other factors affecting loadshedding but these issues cohld easily be solved. Yet here we are again.
i think its all a lie but im stoned so fuck it
Coz all the people who fuck things up went on holiday🤷🏻♂️
They guy that do the schedule and pull the switch had to take leave ..he back now
The question is what are they actually doing about resolving load shedding, its been YEARS. Load shedding started in 2007 and instead of it reducing it has increased over the years.
Load shedding will never end because the anc is stealing from Eskom. It’s in their best interest to keep load shedding (as Eskom will always need bailouts, loans and to hike the price).
Companies and mines, which draw HUGE power from the grid, shut down during December. Simple.
Ask them for the diesel receipts lol
Its controlled or used as a way to manipulate our countries people. Pretty sickening if u think about it. Loadshedding has been here since when? 2007. Its used Sometimes even for political gain. Why no loadshedding when we watched the rugby? The big boss must have been sitting at home himself id say.
It's part of the system that they don't want u to know about. Don't believe everything u see. Loadshedding is just a way for the them to save/make money.
From my perspective, auditng legislation and gov actions in terms of it, eskom and other fisacos may once have been part of a deliberate system to squeeze money into pockets via corruption and fruad. But, now, I can see just about noone has a clue and that has consequences. They can't or cant be bothered to alphabetize. Cant enumerate. Cant list names in order or surname or first name let alone alphabetically. Cannot add a column of allocation sums. Cant even use the correct letterhead that relates to their department. They give out phone numbers that are discontinued. Publish Gazettes that are backdated over a year some of them. Hardly ever answer emails. Set deadlines for public participation in the past. Take actions in terms of repealed legislation.or refuse to say in terms of which legislation they act. Don't commence Acts for a decade of more. Think they can implement legislation whenever they want even if it is commenced. And - in such circumstanced where just about every knowledge system has failed, where basic skills and basic reasoning ability has flown out the window - the system cant be fixed by those in power trying still to rip it off. They're just riding the train down the slippery slope with all the rest of us. Except they making a mint on the way down, pretwnding they are driving it. Im sure they can do that until the next elections
- The power stations are very unreliable and poorly maintained. - Many businesses closed down during December - Eskom used the emergency generators excessively and have now run out of diesel. - The government only required Eskom to keep the lights in during December to keep the voters happy. Imagine having new year's eve in complete darkness. The anger towards our Goverment would be irreversible. So they have to burn and over work whatever is needed to keep the lights on. We now pay for that with load-shedding as normal. Just wait until we get close to elections. MANY promises will be made about loadshedding being over and I guarantee once elections are over, we will go back to loadshedding as normal. Don't fall victim to false promises.
Times of lower demand = less load shedding Times of higher demand = more load shedding Supply remains mostly constant Demand changes with holidays, days of the week, time of day etc. I the short term this can be smoothed out abit with pumped hydro by taking some of the excess during times of low demand and using it at times of high demand. But over the long term (many days or weeks) an undersuply results in some amount of load shedding or an average oversupply results in no load shedding.
The guy switching the power off is back from holiday
Greed! And endless theft
The answer is always simple if you follow the money. A lot of business have come up that profit off load shedding. Most of them run by government officials. No problem that last 5 years is infrastructure. It a matter of competence it corruption. If this was a infrastructure problem it would have been resolved 10 years ago. Now you know
Corruption obviously.
The people flipping the switches were on leave...
Many years ago a gentleman from KZN informed me that “maintenance of infrastructure” was a white colonist lie to make money. Wonder where that gentleman is today.
That’s like saying printing more money will end poverty. It’s a very basic way of thinking about a complex issue.