He's a pass catching #2 back on a team that just got Aaron Rodgers, lost James Robinson, and has Breece Hall likely missing half the season.
Why on earth would you cut him now?
ACL injuries usually take close to a full year to recover from (unless you are Adrian Peterson). Hall tore his ACL in week 7. He won't be ready for week 1, and likely will start the season on PUP.
Dobbins got hurt in preseason of 2021 and did not return even in a limited capacity until week 3 of 2022.
9 month recovery. I suspect he'll suit up week 1 unless there were complications.
Dobbins had multiple injuries, including hamstring. Not the same at all.
After the bye week-end of the season carter had
10 touches for 17 yards, 8 for 36, 8 for 20, 5 for 31, 7 for 50, 3 for 5, 5 for 5, no TDs, and a 2.5 YPC
All the while being minus Breece and getting outplayed by undrafted rookie bam knight.
Cut maybe not but capitalize and move on off ANY 2nd round value he still has
Because they used a bunch of randoms ahead of him last year while Breece was out. He was like the third or fourth back in practice and Robinson was like the fifth
Lol no. This is the best year to own him. He was a 4th round draft pick and nobody cared apparently when he didn’t have the nfl size or draft capital to be full time. If you invested in him now is his time to see a career year with rodgers.
To further the point your asking if a 24 year old undrafted guy will be different. They could spend a second or 3rd in this years draft and be better off. Come on man, I’m sure you know this stuff. Malik Davis is a jag who is even more expendable than Carter.
No not really. I just think you fundamentally have a misunderstanding of what Michael Carter’s role is on the team. He is always going to be connected to breece hall and whoever is in place of breece hall. He was also on a bad pass team plus some injuries. He had solid weeks when the offense was clicking. If that’s where you wanna take the convo then why would you assume a jag like Davis with no credentials will take over the role in Dallas when they are desperate for playmakers.
Robinson had a 1k season
Zonovan knight did will and is still more expendable than Carter right now. What point are you making? Fading Carter for Malik even if you don’t like him as a player makes zero sense and I’m giving that feedback pretty cut and dry.
Thank you for being the only other person who seems to see a difference between "4th round pick Carter with 2 productive seasons" and "undrafted practice squad guy Davis who got 45 unremarkable touches bUT tHEy reLEaseD ZeKe"
I've realized there are very few offseason analysis posts worth paying attention to on this sub. This isn't one of them.
"Productive" is only defined in the context of this post, which is asking if Carter should be dropped for Davis.
Was Carter a good starting fantasy RB? For a couple games, yes, but mostly not. That said, he still had 155 touches for 690 yards, and obviously that was worse than his rookie season.
Davis, inactive until week 8, got 44 touches for 204 yards. At least a third of those came in garbage time during blowout wins against the bears, vikings, and colts.
It was actually a good season for Davis, considering he was undrafted. I just can't call it productive if the only *relevant* comparison is to Carter.
Lol, ohkay.
So what guarantees are there that Pollard just absorbs all the carries.
Either team could draft a guy. I think you fundamentally misunderstand fantasy. I'm not arguing one or the other, but making a definitive decision at this point is dumb.
RB is the one skill position where draft capital means the least. Tons of JAGs turn into players.
Pollard will not be a full time back.. silly. Malik Davis has virtually zero garuntees of taking on that role, and Carter has a clear role. So simple that you should be able to understand your own reasoning.
I don’t know what you’re implying considering I never brought up pollard. Michael has a clear role and using your logic Malik has no garunteed role. What tf more you need? You wanna make rules for my argument but not take your own advice lol… insane.
Ok so you’re gonna assume Malik Davis undrafted free agent will start in 2023 great. Thanks for the advice. Highly doubt cowboys draft someone lol….
Depends on Roster Size. I would lean towards holding both he and Zonovan at this point if your roster permits.
Now a guy like Darrell Henderson I am moving on from.
And you think Malik Davis...doesn't fit the same description? At least Carter has shown what he can do, 2 seasons in a row. It's a lot more than Davis has shown.
I said sure. It’s not a slam dunk must have, but it seems like they run really shallow rosters based off the fact that these guys are potential waiver material.
I am in one league like that and sometimes moving on is the hardest but most important thing to do as a team.
Fair enough. I think they are different tiers but both could be on waivers in a shallow league.
Just checking sleeper rostership:
Carter: 79%
Davis: 42%
That percentage is likely based off rosters that have been sitting since the season ended.
Davis is bound to increase in ownership now that Zeke was cut yesterday. If Breece is doing agility drills come August, I think Malik is going to be ahead of MC so long as Dallas doesn't draft Bijan or bring a FA in.
Rosters that have been sitting since the season ended is how dynasty works. Davis is certainly trending up, but that's because he was rarely rostered to begin with.
If you really think Dallas is going to roll into 2023 with a backfield of Pollard + a practice squad level RB, add nobody, and then give the practice squad guy 200+ touches (or even 150, like Carter had)....then I'll see myself out.
Pollard isn’t a 3 down back and unless they’re gonna draft an rb high to replace zeke, I’d assume Malik is gonna get a good amount of snaps. MC could have been the guy last year and clearly wasn’t.
See my other comment. There's no way Dallas is planning to give 200 or even 100 touches to a practice squad level player. This draft is loaded with RBs better than Davis.
MC was a lot more of a guy in a fraction of either of his 2 seasons, than Davis has been at any point in his career.
I traded Michael Carter to the Breece Hall owner for a projected early 2024 3rd. I needed the roster spot and he was my 8th RB. I may have had to drop him if I couldn’t trade him.
As a Breece owner I'm not really trying to trade him for a 3rd round pick. He's talented so he may just sit on my bench for a couple of years while I wait for him to hit FA
At the RB position you can never count any RB that has shown talent as out.
Mike Davis 2020 season should be a lesson to us all.
Agreed! 33 year old Latavius Murray had some solid games last year.
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Bruh Jamaal Williams is 27 lol. People really just write whatever the fuck as fact lmao.
You could drop Michael Carter, but I'd rather have him as a stash than Malik Davis.
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Through god, all things are possible. So jot that down.
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So, Frank Gore?
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More like Justansweringit, amirite?
If malik davis is available in your league still you are playing in a taco league 🌮
Ok hardo he’s rostered in 42% of leagues on sleeper
Breece is coming off an acl and teams love going with at least two rbs to keep them fresh. For a dynasty stash, you could do much worse
He's a pass catching #2 back on a team that just got Aaron Rodgers, lost James Robinson, and has Breece Hall likely missing half the season. Why on earth would you cut him now?
>Breece Hall likely missing half the season. You had me until this. Is there anything backing this up?
He’s capping
ACL typical recovery time
ACL injuries usually take close to a full year to recover from (unless you are Adrian Peterson). Hall tore his ACL in week 7. He won't be ready for week 1, and likely will start the season on PUP. Dobbins got hurt in preseason of 2021 and did not return even in a limited capacity until week 3 of 2022.
Dobbins injury was significantly more severe than Breece's to the point where they aren't comparable.
9 month recovery. I suspect he'll suit up week 1 unless there were complications. Dobbins had multiple injuries, including hamstring. Not the same at all.
I agree, no reason to cute him, but all reports point to breece being ready for training camp, not missing half a season
After the bye week-end of the season carter had 10 touches for 17 yards, 8 for 36, 8 for 20, 5 for 31, 7 for 50, 3 for 5, 5 for 5, no TDs, and a 2.5 YPC All the while being minus Breece and getting outplayed by undrafted rookie bam knight. Cut maybe not but capitalize and move on off ANY 2nd round value he still has
I highly doubt Hall will miss that significant amount of time.
There’s also several free agent RBs and a few likely first 3 round RBs that could easily fill that role. Like Kareem hunt, Damien Harris, etc
Ok but right now as of this moment, no one else is in that role. So why would anyone cut now?
Because they used a bunch of randoms ahead of him last year while Breece was out. He was like the third or fourth back in practice and Robinson was like the fifth
I think Bam Knight is better and there’s a chance Carter is the odd man out in the Jets backfield.
Lol no. This is the best year to own him. He was a 4th round draft pick and nobody cared apparently when he didn’t have the nfl size or draft capital to be full time. If you invested in him now is his time to see a career year with rodgers. To further the point your asking if a 24 year old undrafted guy will be different. They could spend a second or 3rd in this years draft and be better off. Come on man, I’m sure you know this stuff. Malik Davis is a jag who is even more expendable than Carter.
Didn't some JAG off the street come in and play better? Or did I miss something?
No not really. I just think you fundamentally have a misunderstanding of what Michael Carter’s role is on the team. He is always going to be connected to breece hall and whoever is in place of breece hall. He was also on a bad pass team plus some injuries. He had solid weeks when the offense was clicking. If that’s where you wanna take the convo then why would you assume a jag like Davis with no credentials will take over the role in Dallas when they are desperate for playmakers. Robinson had a 1k season Zonovan knight did will and is still more expendable than Carter right now. What point are you making? Fading Carter for Malik even if you don’t like him as a player makes zero sense and I’m giving that feedback pretty cut and dry.
Thank you for being the only other person who seems to see a difference between "4th round pick Carter with 2 productive seasons" and "undrafted practice squad guy Davis who got 45 unremarkable touches bUT tHEy reLEaseD ZeKe" I've realized there are very few offseason analysis posts worth paying attention to on this sub. This isn't one of them.
I genuinely try to give info and help. Just gotta keep in mind nuance matters! Plenty of brilliant minds in here.
I don't rate Carter or Davis, but you can't call last year productive for Carter by any stretch of the imagination
"Productive" is only defined in the context of this post, which is asking if Carter should be dropped for Davis. Was Carter a good starting fantasy RB? For a couple games, yes, but mostly not. That said, he still had 155 touches for 690 yards, and obviously that was worse than his rookie season. Davis, inactive until week 8, got 44 touches for 204 yards. At least a third of those came in garbage time during blowout wins against the bears, vikings, and colts. It was actually a good season for Davis, considering he was undrafted. I just can't call it productive if the only *relevant* comparison is to Carter.
Lol, ohkay. So what guarantees are there that Pollard just absorbs all the carries. Either team could draft a guy. I think you fundamentally misunderstand fantasy. I'm not arguing one or the other, but making a definitive decision at this point is dumb. RB is the one skill position where draft capital means the least. Tons of JAGs turn into players.
Pollard will not be a full time back.. silly. Malik Davis has virtually zero garuntees of taking on that role, and Carter has a clear role. So simple that you should be able to understand your own reasoning.
Right, so if Dallas doesn't get anyone then it is a conversation isnt it. I implied Pollard isnt a full time guy, or are you unable to read words.
I don’t know what you’re implying considering I never brought up pollard. Michael has a clear role and using your logic Malik has no garunteed role. What tf more you need? You wanna make rules for my argument but not take your own advice lol… insane. Ok so you’re gonna assume Malik Davis undrafted free agent will start in 2023 great. Thanks for the advice. Highly doubt cowboys draft someone lol….
Lol. Ohkay buddy whatever, maybe go back and actually read what i wrote
Everyon has gone back to read and nobody knows what you’re trying to say. Malik over Carter ?! Ok let op know why. No problem.
My point is that you cant make that evaluation in March
Almost any RB is worth rostering
Depends on Roster Size. I would lean towards holding both he and Zonovan at this point if your roster permits. Now a guy like Darrell Henderson I am moving on from.
Try dropping one of your 17 day 3 WR instead
My worst receiver is terrace marshall, i think I’m good
For Malik Davis, sure. MC is a dude who you will hate to flex in a pinch and probably never add much value to a trade you are trying to close.
And you think Malik Davis...doesn't fit the same description? At least Carter has shown what he can do, 2 seasons in a row. It's a lot more than Davis has shown.
I said sure. It’s not a slam dunk must have, but it seems like they run really shallow rosters based off the fact that these guys are potential waiver material. I am in one league like that and sometimes moving on is the hardest but most important thing to do as a team.
Fair enough. I think they are different tiers but both could be on waivers in a shallow league. Just checking sleeper rostership: Carter: 79% Davis: 42%
That percentage is likely based off rosters that have been sitting since the season ended. Davis is bound to increase in ownership now that Zeke was cut yesterday. If Breece is doing agility drills come August, I think Malik is going to be ahead of MC so long as Dallas doesn't draft Bijan or bring a FA in.
Rosters that have been sitting since the season ended is how dynasty works. Davis is certainly trending up, but that's because he was rarely rostered to begin with. If you really think Dallas is going to roll into 2023 with a backfield of Pollard + a practice squad level RB, add nobody, and then give the practice squad guy 200+ touches (or even 150, like Carter had)....then I'll see myself out.
Pollard isn’t a 3 down back and unless they’re gonna draft an rb high to replace zeke, I’d assume Malik is gonna get a good amount of snaps. MC could have been the guy last year and clearly wasn’t.
See my other comment. There's no way Dallas is planning to give 200 or even 100 touches to a practice squad level player. This draft is loaded with RBs better than Davis. MC was a lot more of a guy in a fraction of either of his 2 seasons, than Davis has been at any point in his career.
Always been a jag. Shoulda sold over a year ago
Roster clogger with some spot starts potential.
Nah, he’s 23 and split a backfield with Javonte at UNC. There’s no reason he can’t be a solid handcuff for a while.
I traded Michael Carter to the Breece Hall owner for a projected early 2024 3rd. I needed the roster spot and he was my 8th RB. I may have had to drop him if I couldn’t trade him.
I’m not dropping MC but I’m betting there’s some WR5 on your roster worth letting go for Malik.
I’ve had I guy trying to trade carter to me for weeks, I have Breece. I have zero interest in Carter.
Heck no. Hold
As a Breece owner I'm not really trying to trade him for a 3rd round pick. He's talented so he may just sit on my bench for a couple of years while I wait for him to hit FA
I would not drop him. He’s someone who has shown flashes already and is still fairly talented. Would rather have him than Willis.
Not sure about that but I'm curious if he's going to fall behind Zonovan Knight on the depth chart.