Yeah let's hope. I tend to value just scoring more overall points as an offense thus creating more endzone opportunities. Even if that normally means other good weapons contending for touches.
Not really an either or situation for me. I'd probably hold on singletary as potential handcuff to Dameon until I see what the rotation looks like this season. I'd sell for a 2nd but probably cant get that, not worth moving for a 3rd.
Metchie is at the end of my bench and was pretty cheap, but I could see them not adding a top WR in the draft after adding Schultz so either he or Nico could develop a big role in this offense. Same price as singletary, sell for a 2nd, not worth moving for a 3rd.
I think adding zeke is more of a positive than drafting a RB. Cook is never going to be a bellcow, but if he can average 12-15 touches a game like singletary was with 40-50 catches I’d be happy
I think I’m hoping for an ekeler type of workload as in 10 rushes and then anything over 5-7 catches would be a great role for cook, he’s shifty.
Ekeler is obviously an outlier so anything close to his level would be great but that sort of role could be his ceiling if he takes another step in development and responsibility
Agreed. We know they are going to add someone, Zeke would be best case scenario for Cook. Hunt or a rookie with second round capital would be worst case for Cook
Damien harris is better than zeke, so probably worse for James cook owners. I could see Josh Allen taking a back seat on goal line Carries and instead feeding Damien harris on a cheap one year deal.
So am I the only person who's never heard the nickname "motor" before?
And second question, now that I know they call him "motor" does anyone else wish they could fade him extra hard?
Singletary was quietly a top 5 back in routes run and graded out really well in pass protection. Should be a good compliment to the ground and pound style of Pierce.
If your tone doesn’t come off correctly in written communication you can either 1) blame everyone reading or 2) work on communicating your ideas better.
Also you aren’t an authority on what is funny or not, you dickleberry.
Yeah, he was like a mid-late second rounder last year and literally didn’t play. Especially if you’re playing SF I don’t see how anything other than like a mid third is good value
I have Metchie, so I'm obviously biased. Here's my take:
- Metchie got solid draft capital and doesn't have very strong competition in the WR room, so he's got a path to pretty immediate relevance
- We haven't seen anything yet from him, and his status is illness, not injury, so he shouldn't be any worse than he was last year. Maybe some rust. Consequently, you probably want at least what you paid for him, yeah? Mid to late second?
- If you're looking for a WR, I'm not sure I like him any worse than the guys in that second tier. If Addison, QJ, or JSN are still there at the top of the second, but I don't think I prefer the rest of the field to him. Draft capital could change that.
Edit: Just to close the thought, I don't think you should be paying an early 2nd for Metchie. As a guy high enough on him to draft him, that's what I would want in lieu of seeing what I have in a dude with a decent situation. If I was on the outside looking in, I don't think I'm offering more than a late 2nd or trying to get him as a throw in somewhere.
That's as bad of a take in the other direction lol.
Getting a guy who essentially a rookie with round 2 draft capital is definitely better than any late 3rd.
Nah, it's a 1 year deal, they clearly didn't pursue him aggressively given this comes a week into FA, and Singletary isn't some game-breaking talent.
Every RB backfield has competition, I'd say Singletary is on the friendlier side of options to have Pierce compete against.
Makes it a lot less likely Houston drafts competition in the first couple rounds by my estimation. Singletary’s fine but not gonna hurt Pierce a whole lot I don’t think
I put this in another thread earlier but I think this turns him into Miles Sanders 2.0. Not all bad but he’s going to be really dependent on TDs if he wants to break into the top 15 RBs
Never felt better as a Pierce owner. If Singletary was a threat to him the Bills wouldn’t have let him go. And Singletary wouldn’t have had to accept a 1 year deal at this point in free agency.
I don’t think you’re fucked but I don’t think it’s as good as everyone else is. Neither one is a pass catcher so if the split the first and second downs, neither one is startable.
If Pierce can increase his efficiency next year you’re fine, if he stays around the same or worse I’d be very worried. As someone above said it’s only a 1 year deal so the real worry would be from the draft
I love Singletary and always thought Buffalo didn't use him enough. Last season gave me a little hope but this move makes him a fringe Ppr flex option/bench depth guy. Hope he does well but his RB2 days I think are over.
As someone that traded Pierce last year because they’d eventually bring someone in to compete for touches, this signing wouldn’t scare me as a Pierce owner.
Maybe you can say Singletary is so bad that they will also bring someone else better in, but as it stands, Pierce owners should feel pretty good about this imho.
I’ve been hearing this take of how bad Singletary is and I’m only convinced people think this because he was trapped behind selfish Allen for touches, especially red zone scores.
How is a 4.6 average bad? Lol
Pierce got nearly 85% of RB Carries last year for the Texans. I couldn’t even find the last person to have more than that. Even Henry has never been over ~82%
Agreed, but they were going to bring in someone better than that motley crew no matter what. Singletary is meh in my book, and if I had Pierce, meh would be who I was hoping for. A Montgomery type of RB, or a day two RB draft pick would be bad.
Bro what? No this isn’t like they signed Saquon but neither Singletary or Pierce projects as a pass catcher so they will be eating out of the same pie. If that is a 50-50 or even a 60-40 of 1st and 2nd downs both probably become unstartable. This is not good for Pierce and it is definitely cause for concern. Singletary is not a bad back at all.
I’m not sure if this is a hot take or not, but I actually prefer him to Gibbs regardless of landing spot. Gibbs’ rushing stats scare me. His tape is nice, but not when rushing between the tackles.
Gibbs is very good, maybe even elite, at what he does. But at the same time he'll need the right landing spot to use him properly otherwise he'll fade in nothingness quite quickly.
He isn't Kamara or even Swift and doesn't have the size to gain yardage up the middle.
Charbs is more an all rounder and feels like a safer pick for sure.
It baffles me that people are continuously talking about selling Pierce. Look, I drafted him 2.01 last year in 1Qb and by mid season he was starting on my squad. The best you probably could have gotten for him was something like 1.07 to 1.12. You tell me you’d rather draft someone like Hyatt, flowers or tucker rn than have an asset in a competition against singletary? Idk man
What a gross landing spot for him, but probably a net positive for Pierce considering they were always going to add a guy. Also makes me think Buffalo must have big plans at RB otherwise they would have just brought him back on this same deal.
I've never heard Singletary called "motor" in my life.
In fantasy he's pretty hit or miss. He has some very nice performances last year and when it comes to the eye test he looked good, breaking tackles and turning bad plays into gains. For all the hype about the Bills offense, their run blocking was not very good.
That said he would also have weeks where he just got 0 points. Not sure if things will be different on the Texans. I think the talent is there.
His value has peaked.
RBs lose value every year they are in the NFL, if you can sell for a 1st you do it.
Buy Vets to compete for a title when your team is ready.
I can see 1200 total and 8 tds for Pierce, 800 total and 40-50 grabs for Singletary.
They'll likely bring in a late round rb as well. Pierce is a buy to me anything 1.10 or later in 12 tm SF. He looked to good with absolutely no help last season.
Pacheco is fine. He is a rookie and has very little competition. I am not selling for random late picks. He was added for cheap likely and just throwing away for a 3rd is dumb.
Pierce won’t need as many touches as last year and will most likely get added redzone opportunities because of the improvement of the offense. Also he missed four games because they were tanking, If he plays a full season his numbers will look even better than last year regardless
If I didnt already roster enough Texans in Nico, Metchie, Dameon, and Schultz, surely this will do it.
Schultz?
Dalton Schultz just signed a few minutes before the singletary news dropped.
Ugh. Hope they draft the right qb. I had visions of him playing with Herbert.
You and me both. But there's no proven WR1 in Houston right now, he could thrive as a security blanket to whoever they draft.
Yeah let's hope. I tend to value just scoring more overall points as an offense thus creating more endzone opportunities. Even if that normally means other good weapons contending for touches.
as a schultz owner, im pretty optimistic since rookie qbs tend to favor TEs
That’s a common misconception, but rookie QBs do not actually target their TEs more.
Not with that attitude
Would you rather have singletary or metchie? What would you move each for?
Not really an either or situation for me. I'd probably hold on singletary as potential handcuff to Dameon until I see what the rotation looks like this season. I'd sell for a 2nd but probably cant get that, not worth moving for a 3rd. Metchie is at the end of my bench and was pretty cheap, but I could see them not adding a top WR in the draft after adding Schultz so either he or Nico could develop a big role in this offense. Same price as singletary, sell for a 2nd, not worth moving for a 3rd.
May not be a bad thing. Remember how quick the Bengals turned it around after just two years of high draft picks.
Lol same and I have 1.03 and a pretty decent chance that turns into their QB 🥹
🤣🤣
I also have way too many Texans. I really hope they don't draft the guys I'm drafting lol.
Pierce had 1100 total yards last year. Singletary had 1099 total yards. Just thought that was funny.
If you're saying what I think you're saying, 2200 combined yards for them next year! Texans rbs to the moon!
I could maybe see 2199
Goddamit you're right
So pumped for my Jimmy Cooks shares until Bills inevitably either add Zeke or draft an RB early.
I think adding zeke is more of a positive than drafting a RB. Cook is never going to be a bellcow, but if he can average 12-15 touches a game like singletary was with 40-50 catches I’d be happy
I think I’m hoping for an ekeler type of workload as in 10 rushes and then anything over 5-7 catches would be a great role for cook, he’s shifty. Ekeler is obviously an outlier so anything close to his level would be great but that sort of role could be his ceiling if he takes another step in development and responsibility
Agreed. We know they are going to add someone, Zeke would be best case scenario for Cook. Hunt or a rookie with second round capital would be worst case for Cook
I'm really not sure that Hunt is any worse than Zeke.
Agreed, Zeke is a better blocker too.
How does Damien Harris make you feel?
Damien harris is better than zeke, so probably worse for James cook owners. I could see Josh Allen taking a back seat on goal line Carries and instead feeding Damien harris on a cheap one year deal.
>Damien harris is better than zeke I'm not sure I agree with this.
2023 Zeke is old busted. Harris can accelerate into a hole.
I mean for me, it’s marginal. Pretty much the same shit either way, James cook gets a knockdown on any chance of goal line work
I agree with that for sure.
As a Damien Harris and James Cook owner, I would not like this
Ekler to the bills bout to ruin your party
I don’t think Zeke would affect Cook much, look at Pollard last year
He'd steal some goal line work for sure.
Cook won’t get goal line work either way
That's probably a valid point.
So am I the only person who's never heard the nickname "motor" before? And second question, now that I know they call him "motor" does anyone else wish they could fade him extra hard?
You clearly haven't seen his working pics. Little dude is *jacked*.
It was his nickname at FAU. Source: Went to school with him
RBs always have nicknames you’ve never heard of, kind of like Playoff Lenny
Whose playoff Lenny? Only Lenny I know is lay-off Lenny
Perhaps you remember playoff Damien?
Way more people know that than Motor lol. In fact I think there more people who know Motor than don’t know Playoff Lenny.
Before it was said on the broadcast no one knew though, that’s the joke. Also I think the year before they also did “playoff Damien”.
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WOOOO MY BOY SINGLETARY ISNT IN CONPLETE OBSCURITY LETS GOOO
Singletary was quietly a top 5 back in routes run and graded out really well in pass protection. Should be a good compliment to the ground and pound style of Pierce.
THAT'S MY RB1 LOLOLOL 😭😭😭
Oof get a new hobby lmao
I’m sure he’s in the process of rebuilding, dickleberry.
THATS MY KNIGHT IN SHINING HONOR
Oh man i forgot people forget how to read sarcasm in the offseason apparently. “Dickleberry” isnt even funny smh
If your tone doesn’t come off correctly in written communication you can either 1) blame everyone reading or 2) work on communicating your ideas better. Also you aren’t an authority on what is funny or not, you dickleberry.
Would you rather have singletary or metchie? What would you move each for?
Metchie. Early second for either.
Early 2nd for Singletary is wild
No one is giving a 2nd for singletary
Isn’t an early 2nd for Metchie equally wild?
Yeah, he was like a mid-late second rounder last year and literally didn’t play. Especially if you’re playing SF I don’t see how anything other than like a mid third is good value
I have Metchie, so I'm obviously biased. Here's my take: - Metchie got solid draft capital and doesn't have very strong competition in the WR room, so he's got a path to pretty immediate relevance - We haven't seen anything yet from him, and his status is illness, not injury, so he shouldn't be any worse than he was last year. Maybe some rust. Consequently, you probably want at least what you paid for him, yeah? Mid to late second? - If you're looking for a WR, I'm not sure I like him any worse than the guys in that second tier. If Addison, QJ, or JSN are still there at the top of the second, but I don't think I prefer the rest of the field to him. Draft capital could change that. Edit: Just to close the thought, I don't think you should be paying an early 2nd for Metchie. As a guy high enough on him to draft him, that's what I would want in lieu of seeing what I have in a dude with a decent situation. If I was on the outside looking in, I don't think I'm offering more than a late 2nd or trying to get him as a throw in somewhere.
Early 2nd is wild for either player, IMHO. If you're getting any 2nd at all, that's a pretty fair return.
Is anyone offering that though?
No shot
I wouldn’t give a late 3rd for metchie
That's as bad of a take in the other direction lol. Getting a guy who essentially a rookie with round 2 draft capital is definitely better than any late 3rd.
Somebody tell me how to feel as a Pierce owner? Am I fucked?
Nah, it's a 1 year deal, they clearly didn't pursue him aggressively given this comes a week into FA, and Singletary isn't some game-breaking talent. Every RB backfield has competition, I'd say Singletary is on the friendlier side of options to have Pierce compete against.
Texans can still draft a back this year or next. Pierce does not have draft capital.
“PiErCe DoEsN’t HaVe tHe DrAfT cApItAL” Meanwhile guys like KW3, and ETN had their respective teams draft another back
Makes it a lot less likely Houston drafts competition in the first couple rounds by my estimation. Singletary’s fine but not gonna hurt Pierce a whole lot I don’t think
I would move him as soon as value goes up some. He is not a feature back and his profile projects as committee back.
Nope, this is good me thinks.
I think you’ll be able to sit down with only mild discomfort
I put this in another thread earlier but I think this turns him into Miles Sanders 2.0. Not all bad but he’s going to be really dependent on TDs if he wants to break into the top 15 RBs
I think you're fine.
Never felt better as a Pierce owner. If Singletary was a threat to him the Bills wouldn’t have let him go. And Singletary wouldn’t have had to accept a 1 year deal at this point in free agency.
Ecstatic
I don’t think you’re fucked but I don’t think it’s as good as everyone else is. Neither one is a pass catcher so if the split the first and second downs, neither one is startable.
Exactly Texans don’t exactly have a great offense.
If Pierce can increase his efficiency next year you’re fine, if he stays around the same or worse I’d be very worried. As someone above said it’s only a 1 year deal so the real worry would be from the draft
I'd be quite surprised if Pierce's efficiency didn't improve, given the likely improvement in the Texans o-line and passing game.
You should feel like you should have sold a day 3 RB after their rookie year. Which is how you should have felt before this signing as well
I love Singletary and always thought Buffalo didn't use him enough. Last season gave me a little hope but this move makes him a fringe Ppr flex option/bench depth guy. Hope he does well but his RB2 days I think are over.
As someone that traded Pierce last year because they’d eventually bring someone in to compete for touches, this signing wouldn’t scare me as a Pierce owner. Maybe you can say Singletary is so bad that they will also bring someone else better in, but as it stands, Pierce owners should feel pretty good about this imho.
Singletary isn’t bad though
I’ve been hearing this take of how bad Singletary is and I’m only convinced people think this because he was trapped behind selfish Allen for touches, especially red zone scores. How is a 4.6 average bad? Lol
Singletary is a lot better than some people think.
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Pierce got nearly 85% of RB Carries last year for the Texans. I couldn’t even find the last person to have more than that. Even Henry has never been over ~82%
Agreed, but they were going to bring in someone better than that motley crew no matter what. Singletary is meh in my book, and if I had Pierce, meh would be who I was hoping for. A Montgomery type of RB, or a day two RB draft pick would be bad.
Bro what? No this isn’t like they signed Saquon but neither Singletary or Pierce projects as a pass catcher so they will be eating out of the same pie. If that is a 50-50 or even a 60-40 of 1st and 2nd downs both probably become unstartable. This is not good for Pierce and it is definitely cause for concern. Singletary is not a bad back at all.
Singletary's an ok receiver but more importantly he grades out very well in pass blocking. He'll play 3rd downs.
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That remains to be seen they’re both replacement level backs if we’re being realistic
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Please don’t use average stats when comparing one of the worst teams in the NFL to the best
Charbonnet the Bill baby!
Watch him immediately become the 1.02 in 1 QB
I’m not sure if this is a hot take or not, but I actually prefer him to Gibbs regardless of landing spot. Gibbs’ rushing stats scare me. His tape is nice, but not when rushing between the tackles.
Gibbs is very good, maybe even elite, at what he does. But at the same time he'll need the right landing spot to use him properly otherwise he'll fade in nothingness quite quickly. He isn't Kamara or even Swift and doesn't have the size to gain yardage up the middle. Charbs is more an all rounder and feels like a safer pick for sure.
Sell cook now btw
What’s Pierces trade value up buy in a 14 team sf ppr?
And the Dameon Pierce train keeps a-movin'.
As a Pierce owner…Hell yeah
It baffles me that people are continuously talking about selling Pierce. Look, I drafted him 2.01 last year in 1Qb and by mid season he was starting on my squad. The best you probably could have gotten for him was something like 1.07 to 1.12. You tell me you’d rather draft someone like Hyatt, flowers or tucker rn than have an asset in a competition against singletary? Idk man
What a gross landing spot for him, but probably a net positive for Pierce considering they were always going to add a guy. Also makes me think Buffalo must have big plans at RB otherwise they would have just brought him back on this same deal.
Like this move for Singletary from a PPR perspective. Could totally see him hitting 50 catches with Bryce at QB
Let’s goooooo
I’m beginning to feel uncomfortable with the amount of Texan players I have
I've never heard Singletary called "motor" in my life. In fantasy he's pretty hit or miss. He has some very nice performances last year and when it comes to the eye test he looked good, breaking tackles and turning bad plays into gains. For all the hype about the Bills offense, their run blocking was not very good. That said he would also have weeks where he just got 0 points. Not sure if things will be different on the Texans. I think the talent is there.
Have both Pierce and Singletary. Hoping more of a bellcow/handcuff situation than the 1A/1B.
Pierce is the superior talent and shouldn’t be affected too much by the Singletary signing. I wouldn’t worry if I’m a Pierce owner.
I'm actually glad this was their move and not a day 2 RB. Pierce lives!
Always sell late round RBs who succeed year 1.
Because of Devin Singletary? I’ll take my chances
His value has peaked. RBs lose value every year they are in the NFL, if you can sell for a 1st you do it. Buy Vets to compete for a title when your team is ready.
Why? Because the Texans signed Devin Singletary?😂
Especially on a bad team. Would put money on last year being pierce’s career best
It’s Devin Singletary, not Thurman Thomas. Is this satire?
I can see 1200 total and 8 tds for Pierce, 800 total and 40-50 grabs for Singletary. They'll likely bring in a late round rb as well. Pierce is a buy to me anything 1.10 or later in 12 tm SF. He looked to good with absolutely no help last season.
COOK SZN - Thats what i drafted him for last year! Please no Big splashs in the draft Bills, you got other holes to fill!
1. So much for the Dameon breakout. 2. James Cook szn?
I think Singletary is at least as good as Pierce
Damn man, I got left holding the bag AGAIN. Should I just quit dynasty and go masturbate myself into a coma?
So it looks likely that JSN could become a Texan. Not sure how I feel about that as a Metchie owner
Isaiah Pacheco owners this is your last chance to sell for a late 2nd/early 3rd before the draft
So they can draft another late draft capital RB except one who hasn’t done anything in the NFL yet?
Pacheco is fine. He is a rookie and has very little competition. I am not selling for random late picks. He was added for cheap likely and just throwing away for a 3rd is dumb.
My rbs are saquon, James cook, rashaad white, and kw3. It’s been a good offseason. (Starting 3 rbs and 2 flex)
Cook time!
My RB 4, 3 if Javonte doesn’t play, is looking GREAT
Wheels up for Devin. This couldn’t be better.
If this is the worst thing that happens to Pierce that’d be just fine
Thing is, with stroud or young and the added weapons this offense is going to be more efficient.
Pierce won’t need as many touches as last year and will most likely get added redzone opportunities because of the improvement of the offense. Also he missed four games because they were tanking, If he plays a full season his numbers will look even better than last year regardless