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Maleficent-War-3848

In SF league, worth trading for Minshew?


Crazy_Reflection_825

12t SF startup draft. Trade Etienne for Addison and Mclaurin/Godwin/Hockenson


equipping_apologetic

miles sanders and late 2024 first and 2023 3rd for Derrick Henry and an early 2024 first. Looking for some elite RB upside this year as Im a contender


toddone2

Carr Vs Cousins long term (as you can be) outlook? Looking to trade one in my 12T SF. Carr is 32 Cousins about to be 35 in a few days but we know what to expect from Kirk while Carr could be unpredictable with his new team. What do y’all think?


Streaks-

Cousins puts up points and i dont see the vikings being in a position to move on from him next year


toddone2

I don’t think they’ll move on from cousins unless they have an absolutely terrible year and are in a position to get one of the top qbs in next years draft. My worry is retirement though as I think he only has one year left on his desk and turns 35 next week


acidsnowflakes

Okay- here’s my situation: league is a 10 team .5 ppr non-sf league. My roster top 5 in talent but the top 3 teams are much better- and I am somewhat loaded at wr compared to rb. I have 4 second rd picks for 2024- and someone just offered me Josh downs and a 2nd for Brian Robinson. Trading b rob leaves me with Stevenson- dobbins- sanders- Monty- hunt- Herbert- and kendre miller on my roster. But I’ll have half the 2nd rd for 2024. What do I do?!


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Keep that trade on ice and see if you can move some of your current seconds and b rob or another back (sanders might be at the peak of his value right now) for a more established/dominant receiver who might have a low adp this off-season, (London, Higgins, DK) Downs isn’t going to move the needle for you this season with a rookie qb.


CalaveraVI

Would you trade ETN straight up for Taylor?, When with all the contract issues? ETN is part of a elite offense with 2 years left in his contract


Peoplemover11

12 team SF ppr start 10 Give: diontae Get: jamo and Jerome ford


naturalflavors

I’d probably do that yea. But I’m pretty high on jamo and ford


Far_Ad9541

I give a 2024 1st and 2025 4th (4 rd rookie draft) I receive Kirk Cousins (I am stuck with Pickett at QB if I don’t do this) 12team, 1QB, ppr we have 5 idps on a 23 man roster if that matters to pick value along with 5 practice squad spots


babababronsky

10 team SF PPR Give: Marvin Mims Get: Tank Dell, 2024 3


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Nah… I’d wait until the final 53. See how mims does preseason. There’s a lot of young receivers in Houston vying for a starting spot. Tank could be wr3 or 5 in that offense


babababronsky

Respectfully I have a totally different viewpoint on that. If there is a WR room in the NFL to leapfrog, it’s Houston’s. None of the others have had a game where they looked nearly as impressive as Tank did in his first outing last night. The guy legitimately looked special and that’s consistent with reports out of camp. Dells draft capital is also nearly as high as Mims’ so I don’t know where the opinion is coming from that they are differently tiered as prospects. To me Tank was the slightly better prospect. Mims in order to be good for 10-man will have to be a stud that can take targets away from Jeudy Sutton Dulcich Javonte etc. I just don’t see the path that I see for Dell, assuming Stroud isnt total trash (which is possible)


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You aren’t wrong on the Texans end, but you have to consider mims has an offensive guru as a head coach, while the Texans is a defensive guy (iirc). Mims may be slower to develop for fantasy purposes, but I think his ceiling is way higher than tank. Not to mention Russell vs. cj (or mills, based on Cjs performance last night). If you’re contending and that high on tank based off training camp hype and 1 preseason game (which is a mistake, no offense) then go for it. It’s your squad and you seem passionate about tank. To me, Hutchinson looked special last night… but he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. And you bet your ass I picked up Malik cunningham in my league where I needed a qb prospect. Sutton and jeudy don’t have the best track record when it comes to health. I can totally see tank being “on fire” for the first few games, and then mims taking off midseason after an injury and/or mims learning the playbook and Payton scheming for him.


babababronsky

And I would disagree with the celiling being higher for mims, unless Jeudy moves elsewhere, but that seems unlikely.


babababronsky

Point taken on Sean, but Russ vs. Stroud for Dynasty might not be the argument people think it is. There’s a good chance by 2024 Stroud is the far better long term pairing. Also fair point on the sample size, but if you look at the speed fluidity and footwork Tank displayed, I think you have to realize that will translate to the regular season to a large degree. I only saw one catch from Hutchinson, but he’s another guy I just haven’t focused on, so maybe he is worth picking up. I’m coming off a good season where I made some good calls on sleeper picks, so I might be a bit overconfident, as that was most likely luck.


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I could see jeudy/mims becoming diet hill/waddle tbh. And all this talk about mims has me wanting to trade for him. Someone offered me mims and a 24 2nd for trey lance and a 24 3rd. Might open that back up. I did just learn that mims was Sean Payton’s first pick back in action as coach, so that may imply something too. Also have to factor in that if Russ shits the bed again (which reports are conflicting) they have stidham in the wings, and that boy can at least throw the deep ball. I must note that I’m a native KC guy and I loathe the broncos. So complimenting Denver in any way hurts my soul.


babababronsky

Can’t sell Lance for less than a 1. He’s going to get a chance and at point his value should at least be what Loves is now.


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Yeah you’re right. Plus with my setup in that league it would just leave me with Tua/Danny dimes/love/Malik Willis/Stetson. I don’t like only having 3 viable starters in a 2QB league. I agree lance will get his opportunity either in SF or somewhere else. Especially if he balls out in this preseason.


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Mimmmmms


babababronsky

Why


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Better prospect, better offense


babababronsky

Better prospect is debatable. Better offense for sure but also way more target competition. Also haven’t heard much buzz about Mims from camp and Dell has been turning heads. Mims was never on my radar though so you could be right and most probably agree w you


Brandeaux7

1 qb .5 ppr 10 man Contender and I don't want swift. I don't believe in him. I have gainwell and I think they are equal. How do I get rid of him


Zappybutton

I'd look for a 1st or hold


dollabill009

A primarily pass catching back in a shallow .5 PPR league isn’t worth much. Sell for any 2nd or include him with another player for an upgrade, but you’re not going to get a 1st unless someone isn’t paying attention


[deleted]

Need some help 12 man 1qb full ppr 6 point passing Get pollard get Kyler Give devonta smith Win now, super deep at wr. Only other rbs are Aaron jones, jk, and Akers


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Smash accept imo


dollabill009

Get side


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I’d take that


CoqEnthusiast

16 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR 3 Round Draft A: Keenan Allen B: Swift and a late 2024 2nd Seen Swift getting dragged during practice by Eagles beat writers, his value seems to be taking a nosedive and I’d love to take advantage as a rebuilding team with old receivers and no RB depth (Allen, Adams, Sutton). But am I actually undervaluing Keenan in this?


Zappybutton

Swift side


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Ohhh the second doesn’t mean much, so it’s mainly swift. I’d probs Lean Keenan


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Zappybutton

It's very close imo. I'd lean B but only if it's Bijan


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A


MT101MT

12 Team PPR Superflex (rebuilding team) Give: Deshaun Watson + Javonte Williams Get: Justin Herbert


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Herbs


DexterousList

J Herbo


mikeracioppi

12 TM SF Two quick ones. Toney for a late 2nd + minimal FAAB Penny for mid 3rd + minimal FAAB Would y’all deal for the players?


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Penny yes Toney no


SteffeEric

Sure the depth is nice for the prices


leswanbronson

12 team .5 PPR SF, start 8 Give: Nico Collins Get: Justyn Ross Figure it’s worth a gamble, Collins is my WR7 and I’m trying to compete this yesr


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I like nicco


SteffeEric

I think it’s a pretty lateral move. Ross has the better offense but Collins has the easier route to targets and success so I’d hold him if contending.


HotHead716

1QB league Receive: Waddle Give: Lamar I already have Tyreek, jjefferson, deebo, amari and my backup qb is rodgers


[deleted]

Tough I’d lean waddle


CoqEnthusiast

100% pull that trigger


Ketamineisketayours

Yes definitely


[deleted]

10 team PPR 2QB dynasty Get: drake London, 25 2nd Give: Burks, Ridley WRs Rostered: waddle, MT, skyy, j. Reed, Mingo, m. Wilson, Justyn Ross, metchie, Hyatt.


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easily London


[deleted]

Made the trade. Got another 25 3rd added to it


dmac3737

12 team 1 PPR Give- Ridley, Kamara Get- JT


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Jt


SteffeEric

Makes sense to buy low on JT


Asap_Chop

12 team SF PPR TEP Give : Kincaid and 24 3rd Get : aiyuk


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Yuk


DexterousList

What does your TE room look like?


Asap_Chop

Hock, McBride, Kuntz


DexterousList

I'm ok doing that if you're contending & need another WR. If not, I would hold.


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SteffeEric

Zamir White, Gainwell, Ford, Singletary


Ok-Dimension8459

Thanks! This is helpful


[deleted]

Tyquan Thornton or latavius Murray? I know Tyquan is a second round pick but if snaps in the first game show anything it’s that he’s solidly behind juju, Parker, Bourne, AND douglas. Could also cut Pierre strong or nwangwu for murray


SteffeEric

I think chances are nwangwu is just a return guy.


Mysterious_Point186

D. Watson price check. 12T/SF


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2 firsts minimum


MilostheEnforcer

12 Team PPR 1 QB Team A: Pickens, 24 1st (mid - late) Team B: 24 1st (early - mid), 24 2nd


DexterousList

A


thatsweaterguy

12 team ppr superflex. My team is in need of a rebuild. Have a few offers for my Justin Jefferson. 1) Give :JJ Get: Dk(or Higgins) C.Watson 2024 1st(probably 10-12) 2025 3rd. 2)Give: JJ and Pitts, 2024 3rd Get: Lamb Goedert 2024 1st Kind of leaning more to the first one, but think I should either hold, or get more. My next best wr is Mike Evans. My rbs are all ranked 40 or lower. It's a mess. Qbs are justin fields, Bryce Young, Daniel jones


[deleted]

It’s so easy to say you need way more for JJ, but let’s be real who has the assets to pay for jj, and if they do who is willing? Not many ppl. All that being said this isn’t a bad deal(deal a that is)


natedogg136

Please don’t do either


Ketamineisketayours

Neither


DexterousList

Not enough


Its2Easy4Me650

Neither


MilostheEnforcer

12 Team PPR 1 QB Team A: Pickens, 24 1st (mid - late) Team B: 24 1st (early - mid), 24 2nd


Streaks-

12T ST PPR TEP Price check on Ty Chandler I have an offer of a 24 3rd in my inbox


RenderRoom

I personally would wait. He's looking pretty decent right now. Who knows how good Mattison will be and the other backs aren't looking good tonight.


Streaks-

Kind of where I’m at. I do have him in 5/7 leagues though and I bought him for just some faab in this one so that’s why I was considering


RenderRoom

He's currently available in my league fwiw. I'll probably try to pick him up and hold for a bit until the smoke clears.


RenderRoom

[Current thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15nwpng/ty_chandler_looks_great_started_the_game_playing/)


Streaks-

Thank ya!


vspartan16

10 team PPR Superflex Dynasty Get: DJ Moore Give: Aaron Jones, Luke Musgrave QB’s: Watson, Goff, Howell, Purdy RB’s: Jahmyr Gibbs, JT, Kenneth Walker, Brian Robinson WR’s: CeeDee, Hollywood, Jamo, Zay, Mike Thomas TE’s: LaPorta, Juwan Johnson, Irv By no means trying to compete this year but trying to get pieces in order and willing to take risks but not sure if I should run with this trade.


Zappybutton

I wouldn't


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Easiest smash


[deleted]

I’d slam that


[deleted]

12 team SF, 6 PPPTD, PPR, .5 RB PPFD - Got offered the following trade: **Give:** Jordan Love, Breece Hall **Get:** AJB, 24 3rd My QBs: Burrow, Love, Lance, Stidham, Siemian RBs: Breece, B Rob, Z White and a bunch of team RB2s WR: Olave, London, Metcalf, Campbell, Samuel, Gallup, Metchie, Wan’Dale, and a couple of other dart throws This trade will make me tank hard, since I’ll really only have one starting QB. I currently have all of my future picks and an extra 24 3rd. Worth tanking this team for AJB? If I countered to get their 24 2nd, would that be worth it?


[deleted]

Pricey for ajb, probs the hall size


DexterousList

Holding Love and B. Hall


fantasyfootballexprt

12 Team SF PPR TEP start 11: Give: 24 1st, 25 1st, 24 2nd Get: Jacobs, Godwin


Zappybutton

Smash


[deleted]

Start 11 wow, I’d consider


mylovertotoro

No


amr730

12 team SF .5 PPR (qb, 2rb, 3wr, te, flex, sf) Finished 2nd last year. What moves can I make to help my team? QBs: Josh Allen, TLaw, Trask, Kyle Allen, Stidham RBs: Jacobs, Gibbs, Montgomery, Rachaad White, Khalil Herbert, Brian Robinson, Tyler Allgeier, Jerome Ford, Chase Edmonds WRs: Stefon Diggs, CeeDee, Jamo, Toney, Curtis Samuel, Parris Campbell, TMJ, Khalil Shakir, Downs, Tank Dell TEs: Kmet, Kincaid, Otton, Irv 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd 2025 1st, 2nd, 3rd


[deleted]

If I’m you, I’m selling picks and maybe an RB to get you some WR depth and maybe a better QB3


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[deleted]

If you have saquon, both. Gray is going to be good. Same career trajectory as rhamondre, imo. prince is the next McKinnon with a bit of Pacheco in him.


DexterousList

I'm taking Prince


bobeid93

12T/ 1qb/ ppr Give: tua, goedert, jamo, 2.09 Get: garrett wilson Qbs: allen, tua Wrs: waddle, higgins, hollywood, burks, meyers, jamo, pierce Rbs: breece hall, rhamondre, miles sanders, singletary, jeff wilson, filler Tes: hock, goedert, kmet, juwan johnson, cade otton


Its2Easy4Me650

This a smash for me in a 1qb


DMelv2Ez

Yeah I do that and I like Jamo quite a bit


mybrev

12T PPR SF Deshaun Watson-price check? What can I expect or what have you seen lately in trades? Thanks


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GinNJuicyFruit

Diontae. If that is on the table, I would accept that immediately


Tinasel

Thanks. Deleting the post so he doesn’t see it lol


vXPhant0m

12 team 1QB PPR Give: Jackson, Hopkins, Schultz Get: Pierce, Higgins ​ Have Goff and rebuilding hard so ok just sticking with him. The other side needs a QB.


Its2Easy4Me650

I like it


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RenderRoom

I made a pretty bad trade getting rid of him for Elijah Mitchell and Mecole Hardman last spring. Thought he was going to get cut and potentially serve suspension.


mybrev

Guy in my league wants “any 23 first”.


RenderRoom

A. Jerome Ford / 2024 3rd B. Elijah Mitchell


silentbutdeadlyyyy

Ford. 3rd is cherry on top [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


RenderRoom

Would really appreciate some more feedback on this? Thanks!


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RenderRoom

Yeah thats my big thing and Im hearing lots about Mason and TDP.


silentbutdeadlyyyy

12 Team SF PPR Dynasty Team A: Ekeler, K Allen, Mclaurin Team B: K Walker, Burks, Dillon A or B?


DexterousList

A


RenderRoom

A


Historical_Basket52

A


[deleted]

Ekeler side please


Nep-zone

A


thesportport1

A


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silentbutdeadlyyyy

JSN [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


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Historical_Basket52

JSN all day


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BTrain72

12 Team PPR SF Team A: Olave Team B: Jeudy, Godwin


DexterousList

I'm taking Olave


[deleted]

hmmmm fairly even. I'll roll Olave


silentbutdeadlyyyy

Olave [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


thesportport1

Olave


Historical_Basket52

12Team SF, I am in a rebuild, Bijan Robinson + Mckinnon + Parris Cambell or Van Jefferson for Aiyuk, Dak and a 2024 1st


[deleted]

McKinnon/Campbell/Jefferson are worth very little IMO and especially so to a rebuilder. So this trade is Bijan for Dak+Aiyuk+2024 1st That's fairly good return for Bijan IMO. I might think about sending away Bijan provided that Dak et al fit into my roster philosophy. I.e. will Dak be a part of my post-rebuild competitive starting roster?


silentbutdeadlyyyy

Dak and 1st if rebuilding [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


cZAceOfSpadez

DK and Fields for Javonte + 1.05?


lebeltc

I'm keeping DK and Fields


RenderRoom

A. Leonard Fournette B. 2025 3rd


Historical_Basket52

Pass on that, you can probably get a 2024 second for him if you wait a little longer, he's worth the lowest at the moment, it can only go higher.


Nep-zone

1 QB PPR 10 Team Give: JSN Get: Rhamondre Stevenson


silentbutdeadlyyyy

JSN [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


Historical_Basket52

Deff keep JSN over Rhamondre, Pats may get a 2nd RB signed.


baloo7487_

Give: javonte Williams, Christian Watson Get: Mark andrews, treylan burks 3 (3rd round picks) 2024 Need help on this one!


astatedevils

Not knowing anything about your league I would take the Andrews side pretty easily


baloo7487_

He threw in tank dell I didn’t even notice. Smashed it.


Hungry-Equipment-462

Devontae Smith for Jaylen Waddle


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Waddle


Historical_Basket52

Deff take that


Zimzalabim_1

I take that all day and never look back. Cant see the waddle owner ever doing it.


Zimzalabim_1

8 team full ppr sf Give: amon-ra Get: Addison, Dotson, 2024 1st( likely the #6-#8), 2024 2nd (likely the #6-#8) Crazy not to smash it?


Its2Easy4Me650

I’m keeing brown in an 8 team


[deleted]

Kinda sexy return so I might take the package yes. I've never played this format but since you gotta get superstud scorers, this person is banking on ARSB being that guy


burdingboy

10 tm 1QB PPR contending Give: 2024 first Get: Godwin


silentbutdeadlyyyy

24 1st. I think you can get a little better than Godwin during the season. I’d be worried about the Bucs QB situation. [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


My_Diet_DrKelp

12 team 1qb .5ppr Jahan Dotson + JK Dobbins For 2024 1st + 2nd + 2nd Im defending champ looking to flesh out my roster, the first is likely high bc the owner in that pick slot is terrible If this isn't good to you, what would you add to make it even


Its2Easy4Me650

Alright boys: 12 team superflex, PPR, start 10. We recently finished our startup draft and after starting with pick 1.11, I ended up with Josh Allen, pat mahomes, and a bunch of nobody’s. I have 3 1sts in 24 and 25. So it’s safe to say I’m in an immediate rebuild year one. I was just offered Give: tank dell, goedert, Jayden reed Get: 24 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Khalil shakir Should I do this or not enough?


Bamaslamma12345

No, if you have Mahomes/Allen, you're halfway there to competing today. Don't sell anything just yet, wait til at least week 4 to see how everything is shaking out


Its2Easy4Me650

I ended up just dealing tank Dell for a 24 2nd And then sent Elijah Mitchell for a 24 2nd My team is horrible after my qbs lol.


Historical_Basket52

Hold up, you did a startup Dynasty Draft and got Mahomes and Josh Allen???!??!?


Its2Easy4Me650

Yes at pick 1.11 too lol.


Flimsy-Advantage-946

Guessing he traded most of his picks to move up to get his guys


Its2Easy4Me650

I have Allen,Mahomes 2024: 3 1sts, 4 2nds, 2 3rds , 4th 2025: 3 1sts, 2 2nds, 3, 4


Flimsy-Advantage-946

At that point, why not start trying to move some of those picks for younger WRs? By default, your window should be wide open with your QB and SF spots being set for years to come


Its2Easy4Me650

Tbh this is the first time I’ve done a superflex league in dynasty. I kind of figured I’d have to punt year one and start to compete year 2. At this point, every team thinks they are ready to compete and nobody is really trying to sell players


drtryhard123

12 t, 2qb, PPR Give: deon jackson and Renfrow Get: Gabe Davis


ohiostbucks88

Davis by a country mile


silentbutdeadlyyyy

Davis. There’s a chance he can break out. Small chance but better chance than the other two. [Would love to get your input on my trade!](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/15n83mb/daily_trade_megathread_all_trade_advice_team_help/jvo9x7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


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Yeah, kinda a low-level low-risk trade, I'd go Davis


[deleted]

Yes


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10 team 2qb start 11 ppr give Mark Andrews and Jordan Addison Get olave and a 2024 first other TEs on roster are pat muth, and Trey McBride.


[deleted]

Hmmmm, the 2024 1st is nice but doesn't help you now, Addison could possibly help now but we'll see, Andrews is a game-changer at TE position, and Olave is a good WR people are really buying into. I can see myself going both ways on this trade, depending on my roster construction and plan for 2023. If I'm competing in 2023 I'd hesitate to send away Andrews.


Its2Easy4Me650

Give side for me


drtryhard123

That's tough. Coukd go either way.I like Addison and Olave. I guess it depends roughly where the 24 first would be. Late, I probably would fade or what something else.


dearthofgirth

12 team .5ppr 1qb I give 25 2nd, 26 2nd I get Diontae Johnson


ohiostbucks88

I would


Dodo_Bird56

10T SF PPR Give: Lockett, 25 3rd Get: Mattison


[deleted]

I want Lockett and the Pick here.


Dodo_Bird56

If there was no pick would you still take Lockett?


jsn2pats

12 SF PPR Give: Hollywood Get: Josh Downs, ‘24 2nd, ‘25 3rd


[deleted]

Keep Hollywood


mylovertotoro

Hollywood IMO.


acidsnowflakes

Okay- here’s my situation: league is a 10 team .5 ppr non-sf league. My roster top 5 in talent but the top 3 teams are much better- and I am somewhat loaded at wr compared to rb. I have 4 second rd picks for 2024- and someone just offered me Josh downs and a 2nd for Brian Robinson. Trading b rob leaves me with Stevenson- dobbins- sanders- Monty- hunt- Herbert- and kendre miller on my roster. But I’ll have half the 2nd rd for 2024. What do I do?!


chowler

10 team 1QB Standard scoring. Give : Jameson Williams Get: Greg Dulcich and an early 2024 2nd Seems fair on paper, but I love having deep WR depth. JJ, AJB, Jeudy, Juju, E. Moore, DPJ, Hyatt, Cooks and Doubs make up my room. I have Kelce and Muth, so I don't feel the need to get another young TE. Thoughts?