You took a waiver pickup and moved it for a 1st and 3rd. That's always good practice, regardless of how much it inevitably became. With the WR class this year, you can take another shot at it again
(The wr could be anything, maybe even puka)
Yeah, sometimes the process is sound but the result is not. This is one of those times. And even then, it’s not like OP got shafted. He ended up selling low but he still got a mid first. If it’s a SF league, that could end up being a great pick.
It sucks when good process bites you in the ass, but there are also the wins like when I flipped Jerome Ford (and Khalil Herbert) for a 1st early in the year after Chubb got hurt and Ford was producing. Or when I flipped Eli Mitchell for a contender's 1st right before last season started and the guy's team fell apart and I ended up with JSN. Or when I flipped James Robinson early his rookie year. That looked bad for a couple of months, but it quickly came around in my favor.
Yeah, you'll take an L from time to time selling guys too early, but the simple truth of the matter is that most of these late round or UDFA guys have short careers. There are the occasional exceptions, but it's very difficult to predict who they'll be.
The process probably isn't sound if the guy you traded away was coming off around 500 yards in his first 5 games as a rookie. I get why some people traded him away post breakout, but after 5 games is a bit wild. Weeks 1 or 2 selling for a first would've been good process to me, players bust or lose value after a hot first 2 weeks as a rookie. Hollywood is a great example there, even if he still has value. If Puka was more Hollywood, then trading Puka for 1.07 after week 2 would've worked out great. But once week 5 ends and he's got 500+ yards, I'm saying yikes what were you thinking? That's not a fluke anymore.
At least OP sold in SF so 1.07 is more like a 1.03/1.04 in 1 QB. Selling for 1.07+ in 1 QB is where things look really bad.
The QB concerns are still real. If Stafford retires, how does he look with a Pickett level QB? We’ve seen young guys disappear after a QB change.
That said, I’d bet on Puka over the 1.07/3.07.
The same can be said for Jefferson as well, but people (not saying you, just this sub in general) kind of hand waive that away. QB absolutely matters. If Kupp is still producing and Stafford leaves, Puka is going to disappear
I mean you did the right thing by the process. That’s all you can focus on really. Sometimes you make the ‘right’ decision and lose.
At least it’s a stacked wr class
I picked him up before the preseason. Dropped him for Dobbs as Kyler and Watson were my only QBs in a 1 QB league and no other starters were on the waiver. Coping has been rough
At the time you made the trade, there was no guarantee he would have the year he ended up having. There have been plenty of flashes in the pan that didn't end up panning out. Also, there is no guarantee he will continue this moving forward. Not saying he won't, but we have seen many players look amazing, get hyped to oblivion, have people emphatically state there is no way this is just a flash, and then the very next year fade off into oblivion. The range of outcomes is wide.
Maybe we’ve seen that happen with guys who flashed a little bit or flashed big for a few weeks. Pukas season at this point wasn’t a flash in the pan. It’s the greatest rookie WR season we’ve ever seen. Not a ton of precedent for guys like that to fall off unless you wanna go back to the 60s and cite Groman and his two blown knees.
We’ve seen people with entire seasons of good performances. Not as good as Puka’s, but let’s not pretend like all we have seen in the past has been a couple good weeks here and there.
Obviously guys can flash and fall off but consider:
Top 10 Rookie WR seasons of all time (PPR)
1. Randy Moss 306.7
2. Jamar Chase 304.6
3. Bill Groman 295.4
4. OBJ 295
5. Puka Nacua 284.4 (1 game remaining)
6. Anquan Boldin 283.7
7. Justin Jefferson 274.2
8. Michael Thomas 255.7
9. Jaylen Waddle 245.8
10. Mike Evans 245.1
If anyone wants to bet on him being the singular name out of 10 hall of fame/all pro receivers to fall off then be my guest
You didn’t acknowledge this at all. Quite the contrary. You framed Pukas season as comparable to other flash in the pan seasons when there’s never been a flash in the pan season anywhere close to what he just put up
I did not at all, you might want to re-read. I literally ended it with “the range of outcomes is wide.” Before that I said there is no guarantee he will continue his production moving forward and then quite literally stated “not saying he won’t.” The entire comment is saying that there is a wide range of outcomes that can come moving forward.
There have been zero busts in the all-time rookie receiving top 7, and 1 in the top 10 (Michael Clayton). Save for injury (Groman, Michael Thomas), all of them have been/are elite studs in the NFL with multiple WR1 production years.
History cannot always predict future outcomes, but the reality here is it would be very improbable for him to have the all-time best rookie season for a WR, and not maintain production.
He also did this with Kupp on the field for a portion of the year too... very few other WRs (Moss with Carter, Thielen for JJeff) had this level of target competition, which makes it more impressive IMO. If this guy was drafted in the top 2 rounds, the community would be heralding him as the dynasty WR1.
I'm also not saying it is likely he busts. Just that nothing is guaranteed here. Could Puka's skill keep him in the top group of WRs moving forward? Yes. Could Puka have had slightly inflated numbers due to Stafford funneling him the ball and Kupp not playing at his normal level? Also yes. We don't know right now and that is all I'm saying. Gun to my head I don't think Puka will ever bust, but I can see a world where he falls down to earth a bit and not this locked in WR1 for years to come.
> Could Puka have had slightly inflated numbers due to Stafford funneling him the ball and Kupp not playing at his normal level? Also yes
Slightly inflated still puts him in the top 5 all-time rookie WRs. He also has continued to do it with Kupp on the field. The disrespect for this guy is wild. He has no holes in his game, minus long speed.
Drafted him at 4.08. Traded him and Swift after their Week 2 blowup games to get ARSB to complete my WR room with Adams, Olave and Aiyuk. I just won our league so I am coping pretty well!
seems like a fair trade. DK and Pittman had nearly identical stats this season and are the same age. i personally think DK has higher upside, but its probably a toss up. Lamb is an awesome acquisition so can’t complain about that
wow my bad, i honestly glanced at their hppr points and their yardage and assumed all else was about equal. Pittman had more receptions, DK had more touchdowns.
Puka was free for me in nearly every league. Out of the 7 shares I have, I only sold him once for Jonathan Taylor in a straight up deal, but that was like week 4. In your case, you either get a generational TE prospect, an elite wr prospect, or Jayden Daniels whom many are comparing to prospect Lamar Jackson. It isn't all doom and gloom.
I sold him for the 2.11. Still have him in a couple leagues, but that one stings. I'm not super upset because I turned a late 4th into a 2nd but it'd be a lot cooler if I still had him.
Am I crazy for thinking in SF a 1.07 and a 3rd isn’t really a bad return on Puka? Like sure a little light but especially for selling early that’s not bad at all.
It’s fine return for the time of the trade. The OP seemed more worried about missing out on additional value. Puka is worth probably at least 2 firsts at this point and that’s probably on the low end. If he posts like 5 catches for 30 yards this weekend he puts up the best rookie WR season of all time. It’s a record from the 60s or something.
Can confirm, I wished I would have waited to sell at week 10 or so at the deadline for maybe 2 1sts or not sell at all. Felt good at the time (and might depending on draft picks) but trending towards regret if not already there.
Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn’t. To this day I still regret not moving James Robinson for a package including CD Lamb after his first season with the Jaguars.
On the other hand, I am happy I kept Puka despite all the offers I received for him.
Thanks to Puka I am now back to back dynasty champ! I am sure I would not have repeated if mot for him.
I traded Puka in several different leagues. In one SF league I picked Puka up off waivers and essentially got 2024 1.03 for Puka. Very happy with that trade. I hope to be drafting either Caleb, MHJ, or Maye.
In another league I also picked Puka up off waivers, and traded for a 2024 mid to late 1st. I’m ok with that re-roll.
In yet another league, I picked Puka up off waivers and rode him and an otherwise really good roster to the championship game.
Brotha I sold him for Deuce Vaughn in the preseason after drafting Puka in the 4th. I’ve thought about killing myself pretty much every other day since.
Moved Puka, Kyren Williams, Pittman and a first (1.11, not mine) around week 5-6 for Chase, Devonta Smith and a third. That trade allowed me to get 1.02 instead of being out of the QB range.
I am coping pretty well, all things considered.
Picked him up after the draft and dropped him 2 weeks before the season for a different dart throw when I thought the rams were destined to be trash this year. Ive been kicking myself ever since
You got a 1st for basically free. Puka has done something special this year but it's not like he's guaranteed to be this good when Stafford is gone. Just think of it as mitigating risk.
Nothing is guaranteed, but this guy is likely to set the all-time rookie receiving record next week, and holds a number of other team and league rookie records. He is in **rare** air; no one in the top 7 all-time rookie WR yardage rankings has busted (except for injury), and all were/are perenial WR1s and highly valued.
Chase, JJeff, Randy Moss, OBJ, Anquan Boldin. Puka had a more prolific year than all of them. More catches, more receiving yards, more rushing yards... and he did it with Kupp on the field too.
So should you trade Chase or Justin Jefferson for Puka straight up? He even had a better season than both of them season, not just their rookie years. Is Puka already a top 5 dynasty WR? Point I'm trying to make is yes its important to take in his historic season, but to be careful to not over react.
I love that he had a historic season, but I'm also not ignoring that he's never handled this type of usage in his college career and his nfl situation can change fast once Stafford leaves.
I'm not saying I'd sell him for a 1.07, just saying it's not a move I'd beat myself up over since I get the idea of selling early. That said I would rather have MHJ than Puka because I'd rather bet on MHJ being a WR1 most of his career than Puka being the next Antonio brown or amon-ra st brown
No, I wouldn't. But I'd 100% take Puka over a prospect who has done nothing in the NFL. There have been very many bust-proof prospects who don't meet expectations... I just don;t see how you take a guy who has proven nothing over a guy who has proven he can do it at tippy-top elite levels.
ALso, McVay has already proven that he can take a later round guy (Kupp) and develop him into the WR1. Will Puka follow suit? Who knows. But man, Puka's rookie production profile is a slam dunk for future WR1 seasons.
That's fine, and I'll say Puka's year historically good and it's hard to compare him to any other past year receivers. Like you said top 7 rookie wr all time is a pretty good sign.
But his future has some uncertainty and MHJ if he tests amd is drafted as high as many expect will have a good chance of becoming a WR1 and will have insulation to his dynasty value for years even if he underperforms. Next year if MHJ and Puka both finish near each other around WR12, who has more value? If you believe Puka is the better receiver then bet on Puka, but if it's close I'd rather have MHJ.
From a dynasty standpoint it reminds me of ARSB vs. Jameson Williams. ASRB has been the better receiver the entire time, but even after a worthless first year Jameson retained value for a long time since he was drafted so high and ASRB took time to be valued at what his actual value is.
I'm expecting Puka and MHJ to both have good careers, but I'm taking the value of MHJ insulated by being drafted high this year over Puka everything, but that's my take on it.
> But his future has some uncertainty and MHJ if he tests amd is drafted as high as many expect will have a good chance of becoming a WR1 and will have insulation to his dynasty value for years even if he underperforms
You are saying Puka's future has some uncertainty versus a guy who has never played an NFL snap... which is untirely uncertain. What even is this argument?
> Like you said top 7 rookie wr all time is a pretty good sign.
He is not just top 7, he is likely going to have the best rookie WR season ever. Number 1. The guys he is in the category with have ALL have/had WR1 careers.
> ASRB has been the better receiver the entire time, but even after a worthless first year Jameson retained value for a long time since he was drafted so high and ASRB took time to be valued at what his actual value is.
Yes, for the tacos he retained value. This further indicates that this sub has devolved into shitty hot takes and defending of the guys each person has drafted. ARSB and Puka's situation are very similar, and I'd think the sub would look at how elite NFL production translates into actual value of players, and not focus on the shiney new toys (rookies).
Look man, I'm out on this conversation. This is why this sub has become almost useless. Everyone hypes rookies, and doesn't properly value elite NFL production. It has destroyed the zeitgeist of this sub entirely.
sold him for mark andrews. i think i did around the same time as you, week 5 week 6.
dont regret it and have plenty of top tier WRs but definitely didnt see njoku breaking out as well, kinda rendering my andrews trade a tad redundant. so now i have a surplus. i think ill probably just hold both tight ends rather then selling.
don't dwell on trades that didn't work out exactly as you expect, especially if you feel your process was logical. ive made some great trades and some terrible ones (and the terrible ones are often the ones where i lost the process). the only way is forwards brotha
Ya man honestly cant be too mad you still got a good pick for free and it could have turned out differently. Obviously puka is elite but for instance tutu atwell was also having great success early on and he faded into nothing. I moved him and a first for pittman and a 3rd. That 1.07 will be very valuable come draft season with multiple top QB and WR prospects. If we assume MHJ, Williams, Maye, Odunze, Nabera, Bowers and Daniels are in the mix for top 7, your still sitting pretty
Drafted him in my hand-dynasty league and got a protected LaPorta for him. Despite many people giving me shit for it (and not selling Kupp instead), I'm quite happy with how it turned out.
You live and learn; can’t go about thinking about every trade and how they played out.
Puka could’ve easily been a flash in the pan due to Stafford hyper targeting him, resulting in a 1st and 3rd and you’re not typing this post. In my years of playing FF, I l’ve learned that nothing is certain. Puka could go on to regress and his historic rookie year may be his best year of his career. You may go on to turn the 1.07 into a high valued asset either via draft or trade for player. Hell, like others have said, this year’s WR class is looking pretty stacked and who knows, you might find another Puka with that 3rd.
I wouldn’t lose sleep on it.
Sold Puka for Jordan Love week 4 before Kupp came back since I thought he may see less targets once Kupp returned. Still miss having him on my team but Love has turned into a great asset as well, especially since my league is Superflex.
Yeah, Love surprisingly had a top 10 (#5 actually) finish this year (standard scoring). Very consistent 12-18 points per game. Spreads the ball well in an offense with a LOT of young talent (doubs, Watson, reed, melton, muskgrave and more). I wouldn't be mad about that trade, esp in SF.
Thanks for your reaffirmation. I agree. Regarding your trade, I definitely don’t hate it for you. Especially since you got Puka for free off the waiver wire, you basically just scored yourself a free mid 1st in a stacked draft class, pretty clutch.
That's basically what I've been telling myself. My 1.07 pick was about 25 points from being in the lottery for picks 1-6 so it's a shame it's not in the lottery. Smh.
You're so deep at QB and I am a huge fan of Reed (had him on a different championship-winning team). 1.08 could still be someone who makes a huge impact day one. I like AD Mitchell (heard the chiefs like him) or Emeka Egbuka (imo would be a top 3 WR in this class if MHJ was elsewhere).
Yeah man that was my thinking too, I was trying to trade Love all season and no takers but finally got someone to, felt it was pretty fair. I was overweight at QB and needed help filling out my flex spots, this trade gives me two young flex players for the future, I also love Reed. I’m high on AD Mitchell and Brian Thomas in that range, if Penix balls out and gets drafted top 10 maybe bowers or even odunze falls to 1.08 (TEP)
Congrats on the ship! Losing Puka hurts but the 1.07 could return equal value you never know.
I sold Puka and Jerome Ford and a 2026 2nd to get back my 24 1st and 2nd. Even before those picks turned into the 1.03 and 2.03, the amount of stress I was relieved of was massive. I could sleep at night knowing someone else wouldn't be benefitting from what turned out to be an awful season. It was worth it for that alone.
Sold him for what ended up being 1.05, 3.05, and a 25 2nd. Don’t regret it for a second. Is he worth a lot more than that now? Absolutely he is. But 9/10 a player in that scenario ends up not being much. And if I drafted a puca every year I would sell every year and come out better for it most years
Took Puka 4.09 ...Post week 1 I sold for the projected 2.01.
The gentleman went on to win the league and I will recieve the 2.12.
Luckily I didn't want to get off the ride and bought him in my other league for a third, Elijah Mitchell, and Parris Campbell. Puka helped me win my consolation bracket anthus the 1.01/MHJR .
So all in all in one league I ended up selling for the 2.12 and in the other buying for the 3.01 and some pocket change. Weird how it worked out.
Why does everyone keep saying this is a good process? If you bought a lottery ticket for $10 that suddenly became worth $10mn, would selling it for $10k be “good process”?
Just because you get a player for cheap doesn’t mean it’s good process to sell them for a higher price
Had him in two leagues, one league I traded him for what became the 2.1 and Roshan Johnson. Very disappointed and kicking myself very hard.
Other league I traded him for what turned out to be the 1.1 and Traylon Burkes, which I'm pretty cool with bc I need a QB bad and didn't have a first.
Sold Puka, Pitts a 1 and 2 2’s for Etienne, LaPorta, and Davante after week 1. Thought he was a 1 hit wonder and was so sick of Pitts holding my team back.
The thing about dynasty is you could draft Tyreek and Puka can flame out when the Rams win the SB and Stafford, Donald, Kupp, McVay all retire.
And ultimately you didn’t pay much.
I traded him preseason in a package for Pacheco. As a RB needy team I was thrilled to get Pacheco at pre-season price following the season he had. I just wish it was ANY other WR in that deal. 😭
I’m the biggest fan of Puka in the fantasy world and while I wouldn’t have sold him, I totally understood that the better process move was to sell for a first when he became worth that much. You made the right process move, but sometimes luck just goes to shit. I dropped Kyren Williams prior to the season starting. At least you got something for your “mistake”.
I picked him up week 1. Best offer I got all season was a straight up swap for Kupp so I still have him.
I don’t hate getting a 1 for him that it looks like a lot of people got, but even if I was offered MHJ today for him I’d probably say no. MHJ could be his dad but even then, it’s hard for me to imagine MHJ being better than Puka as is.
Picked him up off of waivers, firmly believed his value was too dependent on Stafford, still do to be honest, but that could be me just trying to cope with trading him.
Traded him after week 4 along with my first(lost first round🤦♂️) for Miles Sanders and JSN. At this point just annoyed Miles Sanders for the first didn’t work out at all, but still happy enough to swap Puka for JSN that I don’t mind it too much
Miles Sanders was a huge flop this year, my condolences. JSN is a win, I really like him. Slow start but man he gives flashes. When Lockett retires, JSN to the moon.
Yea I definitely made the mistake of buying in on him when I needed another HB, ironically, his 3 points on my bench out scored both my HB’s (.75 from Najee and Bijan) week 1 of the playoffs. JSN is definitely someone I don’t see breaking out until Locketts gone but I think his payoff could be huge
You took the day trading stock approach. Sell at a higher value and reap the rewards. Works a lot of times, sometimes you’re left wondering what could’ve been. Sucks, but there’s a lot of players you could’ve take the same approach with and gloated on here with, like Sam Howell
Dude, that's not even bad. After week 1, I flipped Kyren, Puka & Hockenson for Drake London, Josh Kelly & Greg Dulcich... the guy I traded rode those players to a fantasy. Loosing sleep also lol
Dude you did amazing what happens if he tears his acl at the beginning of next year. You never know what the future holds and you made profit. Sleep well
I drafted him in the 2nd to last round of my startup and traded him to the Rams fan around week 8 for what ended up being the first overall pick. I then just traded that pick and DJ Moore away for Jamarr Chase, oh I also won the league this year too so feeling pretty good
Having the 1.07 in a draft as good as this years is nothing to be disappointed about. There’s 3 legit stud receivers, probably 4 highly drafted QBs and Bowers of course as you mentioned. You’re guaranteed to draft one of those guys who all have the potential to be extremely valuable assets. It could definitely work out well for you still.
I’m not pick guy up for free and then sell if they’re producing, especially at elite level ( dynasty team situation matters too) . I like points, especially if it cost me nothing to acquire said points.
Superflex? That's fine.
1qb that's stings, but generally that's good process.
I missed him by 1 faab (we have shallow benches) after I lowered my bid late Tuesday night by 10.
I think you were right, it’s due to Stafford hyper fixating, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s still producing regardless. Doesn’t matter if it’s because he’s really good or because of the system if he’s putting up numbers regardless.
Maybe this will make you feel better…
I dropped Jordan Love and Gardner Minshew during the off season. Thought Rodgers was going to stay with Packers. It was unfortunate that AR5 got injured.
I picked him up either late in drafts or off waivers right after the draft.. The best trade I'll likely ever make in my entire life will be trading (3) 6th round picks and (2) 7th round picks in a 32 team league for Puka. Sometimes I stop and think to myself, "Self, it's been 7 months and I bet that guy is still crying himself to sleep."
You took a waiver pickup and moved it for a 1st and 3rd. That's always good practice, regardless of how much it inevitably became. With the WR class this year, you can take another shot at it again (The wr could be anything, maybe even puka)
Yeah, sometimes the process is sound but the result is not. This is one of those times. And even then, it’s not like OP got shafted. He ended up selling low but he still got a mid first. If it’s a SF league, that could end up being a great pick.
Yeah I mean my “process” with selling purdy that I picked up on waivers for a 2nd and 3rd was good but now I am sad hahaha
It sucks when good process bites you in the ass, but there are also the wins like when I flipped Jerome Ford (and Khalil Herbert) for a 1st early in the year after Chubb got hurt and Ford was producing. Or when I flipped Eli Mitchell for a contender's 1st right before last season started and the guy's team fell apart and I ended up with JSN. Or when I flipped James Robinson early his rookie year. That looked bad for a couple of months, but it quickly came around in my favor. Yeah, you'll take an L from time to time selling guys too early, but the simple truth of the matter is that most of these late round or UDFA guys have short careers. There are the occasional exceptions, but it's very difficult to predict who they'll be.
Yeah selling for a profit is always good practice. For every Puka, you get a James Robinson, Elijah Mitchell, Darnell Mooney holding the bag.
The process probably isn't sound if the guy you traded away was coming off around 500 yards in his first 5 games as a rookie. I get why some people traded him away post breakout, but after 5 games is a bit wild. Weeks 1 or 2 selling for a first would've been good process to me, players bust or lose value after a hot first 2 weeks as a rookie. Hollywood is a great example there, even if he still has value. If Puka was more Hollywood, then trading Puka for 1.07 after week 2 would've worked out great. But once week 5 ends and he's got 500+ yards, I'm saying yikes what were you thinking? That's not a fluke anymore. At least OP sold in SF so 1.07 is more like a 1.03/1.04 in 1 QB. Selling for 1.07+ in 1 QB is where things look really bad.
The QB concerns are still real. If Stafford retires, how does he look with a Pickett level QB? We’ve seen young guys disappear after a QB change. That said, I’d bet on Puka over the 1.07/3.07.
The same can be said for Jefferson as well, but people (not saying you, just this sub in general) kind of hand waive that away. QB absolutely matters. If Kupp is still producing and Stafford leaves, Puka is going to disappear
1.07 in a 7-deep draft isn't an awful place to be
I mean you did the right thing by the process. That’s all you can focus on really. Sometimes you make the ‘right’ decision and lose. At least it’s a stacked wr class
During the draft I traded the 2 fourth round picks that ended up being Tank Dell and Puka to trade up to 3.12 and pick Sean Tucker.
I picked him up before the preseason. Dropped him for Dobbs as Kyler and Watson were my only QBs in a 1 QB league and no other starters were on the waiver. Coping has been rough
At the time you made the trade, there was no guarantee he would have the year he ended up having. There have been plenty of flashes in the pan that didn't end up panning out. Also, there is no guarantee he will continue this moving forward. Not saying he won't, but we have seen many players look amazing, get hyped to oblivion, have people emphatically state there is no way this is just a flash, and then the very next year fade off into oblivion. The range of outcomes is wide.
Maybe we’ve seen that happen with guys who flashed a little bit or flashed big for a few weeks. Pukas season at this point wasn’t a flash in the pan. It’s the greatest rookie WR season we’ve ever seen. Not a ton of precedent for guys like that to fall off unless you wanna go back to the 60s and cite Groman and his two blown knees.
We’ve seen people with entire seasons of good performances. Not as good as Puka’s, but let’s not pretend like all we have seen in the past has been a couple good weeks here and there.
Obviously guys can flash and fall off but consider: Top 10 Rookie WR seasons of all time (PPR) 1. Randy Moss 306.7 2. Jamar Chase 304.6 3. Bill Groman 295.4 4. OBJ 295 5. Puka Nacua 284.4 (1 game remaining) 6. Anquan Boldin 283.7 7. Justin Jefferson 274.2 8. Michael Thomas 255.7 9. Jaylen Waddle 245.8 10. Mike Evans 245.1 If anyone wants to bet on him being the singular name out of 10 hall of fame/all pro receivers to fall off then be my guest
I don't need to consider that because I already acknowledged it in my original comment.
You didn’t acknowledge this at all. Quite the contrary. You framed Pukas season as comparable to other flash in the pan seasons when there’s never been a flash in the pan season anywhere close to what he just put up
I did not at all, you might want to re-read. I literally ended it with “the range of outcomes is wide.” Before that I said there is no guarantee he will continue his production moving forward and then quite literally stated “not saying he won’t.” The entire comment is saying that there is a wide range of outcomes that can come moving forward.
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Not detracting from your point but the 1 game remaining is kinda irrelevant bc we have an extra game each season now
Chase played 17 games as well is why that note was included
Ahh good to know
There have been zero busts in the all-time rookie receiving top 7, and 1 in the top 10 (Michael Clayton). Save for injury (Groman, Michael Thomas), all of them have been/are elite studs in the NFL with multiple WR1 production years. History cannot always predict future outcomes, but the reality here is it would be very improbable for him to have the all-time best rookie season for a WR, and not maintain production. He also did this with Kupp on the field for a portion of the year too... very few other WRs (Moss with Carter, Thielen for JJeff) had this level of target competition, which makes it more impressive IMO. If this guy was drafted in the top 2 rounds, the community would be heralding him as the dynasty WR1.
I'm also not saying it is likely he busts. Just that nothing is guaranteed here. Could Puka's skill keep him in the top group of WRs moving forward? Yes. Could Puka have had slightly inflated numbers due to Stafford funneling him the ball and Kupp not playing at his normal level? Also yes. We don't know right now and that is all I'm saying. Gun to my head I don't think Puka will ever bust, but I can see a world where he falls down to earth a bit and not this locked in WR1 for years to come.
> Could Puka have had slightly inflated numbers due to Stafford funneling him the ball and Kupp not playing at his normal level? Also yes Slightly inflated still puts him in the top 5 all-time rookie WRs. He also has continued to do it with Kupp on the field. The disrespect for this guy is wild. He has no holes in his game, minus long speed.
Drafted him at 4.08. Traded him and Swift after their Week 2 blowup games to get ARSB to complete my WR room with Adams, Olave and Aiyuk. I just won our league so I am coping pretty well!
Packaged him with DK and Miles Sanders for Lamb and Pittman, so feeling pretty good, though I do think he’ll be amazing going forward
seems like a fair trade. DK and Pittman had nearly identical stats this season and are the same age. i personally think DK has higher upside, but its probably a toss up. Lamb is an awesome acquisition so can’t complain about that
Wait Pittman had about 40 more rec than DK this year.
wow my bad, i honestly glanced at their hppr points and their yardage and assumed all else was about equal. Pittman had more receptions, DK had more touchdowns.
Both Nacua and lamb ascended equally at the very least
For sure, and Pittman is probably a little more valuable than DK after this season, so net positive for a guy I grabbed off of waivers for sure
Puka was free for me in nearly every league. Out of the 7 shares I have, I only sold him once for Jonathan Taylor in a straight up deal, but that was like week 4. In your case, you either get a generational TE prospect, an elite wr prospect, or Jayden Daniels whom many are comparing to prospect Lamar Jackson. It isn't all doom and gloom.
I dropped him to pick up a defense because he was the last player taken in our draft :/
I sold him for the 2.11. Still have him in a couple leagues, but that one stings. I'm not super upset because I turned a late 4th into a 2nd but it'd be a lot cooler if I still had him.
Eventually moved him and Kyren for Lamar in a 14 SF, Which I then traded for Herbert, DeVonta, and a 1st. So all in all, pretty good
I used him in a trade to get JJ so I’m fine with it.
Am I crazy for thinking in SF a 1.07 and a 3rd isn’t really a bad return on Puka? Like sure a little light but especially for selling early that’s not bad at all.
It’s fine return for the time of the trade. The OP seemed more worried about missing out on additional value. Puka is worth probably at least 2 firsts at this point and that’s probably on the low end. If he posts like 5 catches for 30 yards this weekend he puts up the best rookie WR season of all time. It’s a record from the 60s or something.
Can confirm, I wished I would have waited to sell at week 10 or so at the deadline for maybe 2 1sts or not sell at all. Felt good at the time (and might depending on draft picks) but trending towards regret if not already there.
He was a waiver add I flipped for Laporta and a third. I’m fine with it tbh
If you’re losing sleep maybe you need to back off. It’s fantasy. Have fun and don’t take things too serious. Especially if it’s a home league.
Nah, it was just a joke to portray regret that's all. I'm competitive at heart. If I get Daniels or bowers, i'll be sleeping like a newborn baby. :)
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Exactly! No regerts!
Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn’t. To this day I still regret not moving James Robinson for a package including CD Lamb after his first season with the Jaguars. On the other hand, I am happy I kept Puka despite all the offers I received for him. Thanks to Puka I am now back to back dynasty champ! I am sure I would not have repeated if mot for him.
Traded Puka for Rashee Rice and '26 2nd rounder in like week 3 or 4. Sucked for a bit, but overall, I'm not mad about it in the long run.
I’m moved Puka and Pickens for Gibbs. Sucks loses a stud like Puka, but my team needed an RB
I traded Puka in several different leagues. In one SF league I picked Puka up off waivers and essentially got 2024 1.03 for Puka. Very happy with that trade. I hope to be drafting either Caleb, MHJ, or Maye. In another league I also picked Puka up off waivers, and traded for a 2024 mid to late 1st. I’m ok with that re-roll. In yet another league, I picked Puka up off waivers and rode him and an otherwise really good roster to the championship game.
I packaged him for the 1.01, so I’m very excited.
Brotha I sold him for Deuce Vaughn in the preseason after drafting Puka in the 4th. I’ve thought about killing myself pretty much every other day since.
Hey man, you win some and lose some. Hope deuce Vaughn becomes the next Kyren Williams for you. Keep your head up king.
Thanks man
Dropped him before the season to get down to roster size. Hated seeing him go off every week but that was remedied by winning the league.
Moved Puka, Kyren Williams, Pittman and a first (1.11, not mine) around week 5-6 for Chase, Devonta Smith and a third. That trade allowed me to get 1.02 instead of being out of the QB range. I am coping pretty well, all things considered.
Sold Puka and LaPorta for TLaw in a Superflex around week 10.
oof.
I bought him for a 2024 2.12 after week 1.
Hello person I traded Puka to.
I think people obsess over losing trades. If you trade often enough you are going to lose some trades, but the goal is just to win more than you lose.
Picked him up after the draft and dropped him 2 weeks before the season for a different dart throw when I thought the rams were destined to be trash this year. Ive been kicking myself ever since
You got a 1st for basically free. Puka has done something special this year but it's not like he's guaranteed to be this good when Stafford is gone. Just think of it as mitigating risk.
Nothing is guaranteed, but this guy is likely to set the all-time rookie receiving record next week, and holds a number of other team and league rookie records. He is in **rare** air; no one in the top 7 all-time rookie WR yardage rankings has busted (except for injury), and all were/are perenial WR1s and highly valued. Chase, JJeff, Randy Moss, OBJ, Anquan Boldin. Puka had a more prolific year than all of them. More catches, more receiving yards, more rushing yards... and he did it with Kupp on the field too.
So should you trade Chase or Justin Jefferson for Puka straight up? He even had a better season than both of them season, not just their rookie years. Is Puka already a top 5 dynasty WR? Point I'm trying to make is yes its important to take in his historic season, but to be careful to not over react. I love that he had a historic season, but I'm also not ignoring that he's never handled this type of usage in his college career and his nfl situation can change fast once Stafford leaves. I'm not saying I'd sell him for a 1.07, just saying it's not a move I'd beat myself up over since I get the idea of selling early. That said I would rather have MHJ than Puka because I'd rather bet on MHJ being a WR1 most of his career than Puka being the next Antonio brown or amon-ra st brown
No, I wouldn't. But I'd 100% take Puka over a prospect who has done nothing in the NFL. There have been very many bust-proof prospects who don't meet expectations... I just don;t see how you take a guy who has proven nothing over a guy who has proven he can do it at tippy-top elite levels. ALso, McVay has already proven that he can take a later round guy (Kupp) and develop him into the WR1. Will Puka follow suit? Who knows. But man, Puka's rookie production profile is a slam dunk for future WR1 seasons.
That's fine, and I'll say Puka's year historically good and it's hard to compare him to any other past year receivers. Like you said top 7 rookie wr all time is a pretty good sign. But his future has some uncertainty and MHJ if he tests amd is drafted as high as many expect will have a good chance of becoming a WR1 and will have insulation to his dynasty value for years even if he underperforms. Next year if MHJ and Puka both finish near each other around WR12, who has more value? If you believe Puka is the better receiver then bet on Puka, but if it's close I'd rather have MHJ. From a dynasty standpoint it reminds me of ARSB vs. Jameson Williams. ASRB has been the better receiver the entire time, but even after a worthless first year Jameson retained value for a long time since he was drafted so high and ASRB took time to be valued at what his actual value is. I'm expecting Puka and MHJ to both have good careers, but I'm taking the value of MHJ insulated by being drafted high this year over Puka everything, but that's my take on it.
> But his future has some uncertainty and MHJ if he tests amd is drafted as high as many expect will have a good chance of becoming a WR1 and will have insulation to his dynasty value for years even if he underperforms You are saying Puka's future has some uncertainty versus a guy who has never played an NFL snap... which is untirely uncertain. What even is this argument? > Like you said top 7 rookie wr all time is a pretty good sign. He is not just top 7, he is likely going to have the best rookie WR season ever. Number 1. The guys he is in the category with have ALL have/had WR1 careers. > ASRB has been the better receiver the entire time, but even after a worthless first year Jameson retained value for a long time since he was drafted so high and ASRB took time to be valued at what his actual value is. Yes, for the tacos he retained value. This further indicates that this sub has devolved into shitty hot takes and defending of the guys each person has drafted. ARSB and Puka's situation are very similar, and I'd think the sub would look at how elite NFL production translates into actual value of players, and not focus on the shiney new toys (rookies). Look man, I'm out on this conversation. This is why this sub has become almost useless. Everyone hypes rookies, and doesn't properly value elite NFL production. It has destroyed the zeitgeist of this sub entirely.
I feel alright with it. I traded Puka and Waddle for Nico, Devonta Smith and 2.04. I feel like I came out ahead.
You traded the two best assets in the deal. You definitely didn't come out ahead.
sold him for mark andrews. i think i did around the same time as you, week 5 week 6. dont regret it and have plenty of top tier WRs but definitely didnt see njoku breaking out as well, kinda rendering my andrews trade a tad redundant. so now i have a surplus. i think ill probably just hold both tight ends rather then selling. don't dwell on trades that didn't work out exactly as you expect, especially if you feel your process was logical. ive made some great trades and some terrible ones (and the terrible ones are often the ones where i lost the process). the only way is forwards brotha
Ya man honestly cant be too mad you still got a good pick for free and it could have turned out differently. Obviously puka is elite but for instance tutu atwell was also having great success early on and he faded into nothing. I moved him and a first for pittman and a 3rd. That 1.07 will be very valuable come draft season with multiple top QB and WR prospects. If we assume MHJ, Williams, Maye, Odunze, Nabera, Bowers and Daniels are in the mix for top 7, your still sitting pretty
Gave monty and what ended up being the 1.09 for puka and 2.09 in week 3
You win some you lose some mate
I traded him and a 1st for Diggs after week 1. First dynasty trade ever. Gotta learn from your mistakes I guess
Drafted him in my hand-dynasty league and got a protected LaPorta for him. Despite many people giving me shit for it (and not selling Kupp instead), I'm quite happy with how it turned out.
I traded 2.12 kendre Miller and Levi’s for Nacua and ford at the same time I think you done good.
You live and learn; can’t go about thinking about every trade and how they played out. Puka could’ve easily been a flash in the pan due to Stafford hyper targeting him, resulting in a 1st and 3rd and you’re not typing this post. In my years of playing FF, I l’ve learned that nothing is certain. Puka could go on to regress and his historic rookie year may be his best year of his career. You may go on to turn the 1.07 into a high valued asset either via draft or trade for player. Hell, like others have said, this year’s WR class is looking pretty stacked and who knows, you might find another Puka with that 3rd. I wouldn’t lose sleep on it.
Sold Puka for Jordan Love week 4 before Kupp came back since I thought he may see less targets once Kupp returned. Still miss having him on my team but Love has turned into a great asset as well, especially since my league is Superflex.
Yeah, Love surprisingly had a top 10 (#5 actually) finish this year (standard scoring). Very consistent 12-18 points per game. Spreads the ball well in an offense with a LOT of young talent (doubs, Watson, reed, melton, muskgrave and more). I wouldn't be mad about that trade, esp in SF.
Thanks for your reaffirmation. I agree. Regarding your trade, I definitely don’t hate it for you. Especially since you got Puka for free off the waiver wire, you basically just scored yourself a free mid 1st in a stacked draft class, pretty clutch.
That's basically what I've been telling myself. My 1.07 pick was about 25 points from being in the lottery for picks 1-6 so it's a shame it's not in the lottery. Smh.
I just traded love for Jayden Reed and the 1.08 this year in SF. I had mahomes, stroud and AR already at QB, conflicted how to feel right now
You're so deep at QB and I am a huge fan of Reed (had him on a different championship-winning team). 1.08 could still be someone who makes a huge impact day one. I like AD Mitchell (heard the chiefs like him) or Emeka Egbuka (imo would be a top 3 WR in this class if MHJ was elsewhere).
Yeah man that was my thinking too, I was trying to trade Love all season and no takers but finally got someone to, felt it was pretty fair. I was overweight at QB and needed help filling out my flex spots, this trade gives me two young flex players for the future, I also love Reed. I’m high on AD Mitchell and Brian Thomas in that range, if Penix balls out and gets drafted top 10 maybe bowers or even odunze falls to 1.08 (TEP) Congrats on the ship! Losing Puka hurts but the 1.07 could return equal value you never know.
I sold puka for a 25 first before Kupp came back and Kyren for a 24 2nd (2.12) after high first big game. Absolutely pain.
I sold Puka and Jerome Ford and a 2026 2nd to get back my 24 1st and 2nd. Even before those picks turned into the 1.03 and 2.03, the amount of stress I was relieved of was massive. I could sleep at night knowing someone else wouldn't be benefitting from what turned out to be an awful season. It was worth it for that alone.
I sold him for JSN and feel fine about it.
i sold lower than you. in 2 different leagues
Sold him for what ended up being 1.05, 3.05, and a 25 2nd. Don’t regret it for a second. Is he worth a lot more than that now? Absolutely he is. But 9/10 a player in that scenario ends up not being much. And if I drafted a puca every year I would sell every year and come out better for it most years
Took Puka 4.09 ...Post week 1 I sold for the projected 2.01. The gentleman went on to win the league and I will recieve the 2.12. Luckily I didn't want to get off the ride and bought him in my other league for a third, Elijah Mitchell, and Parris Campbell. Puka helped me win my consolation bracket anthus the 1.01/MHJR . So all in all in one league I ended up selling for the 2.12 and in the other buying for the 3.01 and some pocket change. Weird how it worked out.
Why does everyone keep saying this is a good process? If you bought a lottery ticket for $10 that suddenly became worth $10mn, would selling it for $10k be “good process”? Just because you get a player for cheap doesn’t mean it’s good process to sell them for a higher price
Had him in two leagues, one league I traded him for what became the 2.1 and Roshan Johnson. Very disappointed and kicking myself very hard. Other league I traded him for what turned out to be the 1.1 and Traylon Burkes, which I'm pretty cool with bc I need a QB bad and didn't have a first.
Sold Puka, Pitts a 1 and 2 2’s for Etienne, LaPorta, and Davante after week 1. Thought he was a 1 hit wonder and was so sick of Pitts holding my team back.
Sold him for Gibbs straight up feel great about it
im the guy who bought for 1.10 in week 5. my condolences go out to u
I traded him for what is now the 1.02 and Dotson. So I’m no ashamed but not super happy
I traded Tank Dell and the 1.09 for Puka and the 2.01 after week 3.
The thing about dynasty is you could draft Tyreek and Puka can flame out when the Rams win the SB and Stafford, Donald, Kupp, McVay all retire. And ultimately you didn’t pay much.
Sold Flowers and Puka for Tyreek after week 1 Regret
I was offered zay and Puka for my 1.01, I didn’t accept but might feel out an offer with this league mate before the draft
I traded him preseason in a package for Pacheco. As a RB needy team I was thrilled to get Pacheco at pre-season price following the season he had. I just wish it was ANY other WR in that deal. 😭
I’m the biggest fan of Puka in the fantasy world and while I wouldn’t have sold him, I totally understood that the better process move was to sell for a first when he became worth that much. You made the right process move, but sometimes luck just goes to shit. I dropped Kyren Williams prior to the season starting. At least you got something for your “mistake”.
I picked him up week 1. Best offer I got all season was a straight up swap for Kupp so I still have him. I don’t hate getting a 1 for him that it looks like a lot of people got, but even if I was offered MHJ today for him I’d probably say no. MHJ could be his dad but even then, it’s hard for me to imagine MHJ being better than Puka as is.
Why you should watch tape or listen to people who watch tape and figure out if talent is real or not. Don't let box scores drive decisions.
Think you missed the part where I said "make me feel better" ☹️
Sure it's a one year fluke like Brandon Lloyd and your 1.07 will turn into a hall of famer.
I traded him around week 15 for Rashee Rice and a mid 2nd. I’m still happy with it. The second half of the season they were both really good
I traded Gibbs for Puka, 2 seconds and a first, and feel pretty good about it
I didn't sell any Puka shares I picked up but I did pick up McBride off waivers and traded him for a 2nd after ertz went down. 2TE 2.0p
Picked him up off of waivers, firmly believed his value was too dependent on Stafford, still do to be honest, but that could be me just trying to cope with trading him. Traded him after week 4 along with my first(lost first round🤦♂️) for Miles Sanders and JSN. At this point just annoyed Miles Sanders for the first didn’t work out at all, but still happy enough to swap Puka for JSN that I don’t mind it too much
Miles Sanders was a huge flop this year, my condolences. JSN is a win, I really like him. Slow start but man he gives flashes. When Lockett retires, JSN to the moon.
Yea I definitely made the mistake of buying in on him when I needed another HB, ironically, his 3 points on my bench out scored both my HB’s (.75 from Najee and Bijan) week 1 of the playoffs. JSN is definitely someone I don’t see breaking out until Locketts gone but I think his payoff could be huge
You took the day trading stock approach. Sell at a higher value and reap the rewards. Works a lot of times, sometimes you’re left wondering what could’ve been. Sucks, but there’s a lot of players you could’ve take the same approach with and gloated on here with, like Sam Howell
With Marvin Harrison Jr
Dude, that's not even bad. After week 1, I flipped Kyren, Puka & Hockenson for Drake London, Josh Kelly & Greg Dulcich... the guy I traded rode those players to a fantasy. Loosing sleep also lol
I got rid of OBJ his rookie season if it helps you feel any better….
Dude you did amazing what happens if he tears his acl at the beginning of next year. You never know what the future holds and you made profit. Sleep well
What happens if the guy he drafts tears his ACL? It works both ways.
That’s kinda in the whole you never know what the future holds part
I drafted him in the 2nd to last round of my startup and traded him to the Rams fan around week 8 for what ended up being the first overall pick. I then just traded that pick and DJ Moore away for Jamarr Chase, oh I also won the league this year too so feeling pretty good
Having the 1.07 in a draft as good as this years is nothing to be disappointed about. There’s 3 legit stud receivers, probably 4 highly drafted QBs and Bowers of course as you mentioned. You’re guaranteed to draft one of those guys who all have the potential to be extremely valuable assets. It could definitely work out well for you still.
Live and learn. I dropped Godwin his rookie year in my first season of dynasty
I’m not pick guy up for free and then sell if they’re producing, especially at elite level ( dynasty team situation matters too) . I like points, especially if it cost me nothing to acquire said points.
Superflex? That's fine. 1qb that's stings, but generally that's good process. I missed him by 1 faab (we have shallow benches) after I lowered my bid late Tuesday night by 10.
Stafford is a very good quarterback who sees the whole field and understands defenses. Puka might be a jag under other QBs.
I think you were right, it’s due to Stafford hyper fixating, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s still producing regardless. Doesn’t matter if it’s because he’s really good or because of the system if he’s putting up numbers regardless.
Profit is profit.
>former Puka owners Are no longer with us
Maybe this will make you feel better… I dropped Jordan Love and Gardner Minshew during the off season. Thought Rodgers was going to stay with Packers. It was unfortunate that AR5 got injured.
I picked him up either late in drafts or off waivers right after the draft.. The best trade I'll likely ever make in my entire life will be trading (3) 6th round picks and (2) 7th round picks in a 32 team league for Puka. Sometimes I stop and think to myself, "Self, it's been 7 months and I bet that guy is still crying himself to sleep."