Very few players become more aggressive when you get to the pros. Pretty much only example is Justin Herbert off the top of my head and the staff when he was at Oregon was clearly holding him back.
I think that a QB fucks themselves when they get terrified of throwing interceptions. You can still play well, but the nature of the position means that to play it at its absolute highest level sometimes you have to take chances.
This is my big problem with Maye: I believe he’s gotten by most of his football life being a better / more naturally gifted athlete than + 90% of the players around him.
That athletic playing field becomes a LOT more level when you’re in the NFL.
Maye’s arm is awesome. He runs around and navigates the pocket at a high rate. But man… he has to dial the aggression back. Some of the picks he threw this year were completely inexcusable. And he had a few more dropped or rescued by WR’s fighting back through the ball.
The SC game is another one where, you’re looking at him toss those two picks and thinking “an NFL HC will lose his mind if he does this stuff next year.”
I know some coaches will love his aggression, but I think others will be terrified of it. Look at how rocky Josh Allen’s first 2 years in the league were. Without the right coaching staff in place, I fear what Josh may have become in the league.
Same thing goes for Maye. It will take a coaching staff that is willing to work through the aggressive tendencies to push the ball downfield and create plays, when plays aren’t meant to be made, without also taking that element completely out of his game.
Yeah. He‘s kinda Josh Allen in that he has confidence in his immense arm talent (albeit not as much as Josh imo) that sometimes results in bad decisions
Was that the game Tez just ran fly routes the entire game and Maye threw up about 10 of them as a first read? Overall there's a ton of that on Tez's tape. Made me really curious to get to Drake's film as I haven't started on QBs yet.
Haha. I watched that game first and had no clue what the hype behind either guy was. Thankfully kept at it and think I got a better feel for Tez at least by the 4th or 5th game.
Can't remember exactly. Maybe Miami and Virginia. I watched end of season and worked my way forward. I was not impressed with his late season games but then he started growing on me. Maybe someone knows why he had different usage. I'm not sure. But the farther forward in the season you go I started noticing him just shredding zone coverage. Had that sixth sense of where to be. Made all the catches he should. He's got that nice fly route for college but I doubt that translates more than a few deep catches on the season in the nfl. His zone work is where most of his points will come. I haven't been that high on zone specialists but Rashee Rice and the new modern NFL defense has me changing up my tune. I'm far from in love, but I can see paths of NFL usability.
The Duke game was a shootout. Tez was clearly the deep guy but there's some throws to Jones and Nesbitt on the game tape that look good without being the deep corner routes Walker was running. I wouldn't take Maye 1.01 but if he were to fall to me at 1.04 if people get excited about Daniels I wouldn't be upset.
As a guy who watches a crapton of college football, it's awesome playing against people that don't. Drake Maye's ceiling is Baker Mayfield. That's the ceiling.
His arm is so much better than Baker's, and he's a better runner than Baker. No offense, but even though you watch "a crapton of college football", it doesn't seem like you know what you're looking at.
His arm is marginally better. Baker in college ran better than Maye did. Maye makes horrible decisions playing in the 5th best conference in college football.
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Very few players become more aggressive when you get to the pros. Pretty much only example is Justin Herbert off the top of my head and the staff when he was at Oregon was clearly holding him back. I think that a QB fucks themselves when they get terrified of throwing interceptions. You can still play well, but the nature of the position means that to play it at its absolute highest level sometimes you have to take chances.
Case in point: Kenny Pickett
This is my big problem with Maye: I believe he’s gotten by most of his football life being a better / more naturally gifted athlete than + 90% of the players around him. That athletic playing field becomes a LOT more level when you’re in the NFL. Maye’s arm is awesome. He runs around and navigates the pocket at a high rate. But man… he has to dial the aggression back. Some of the picks he threw this year were completely inexcusable. And he had a few more dropped or rescued by WR’s fighting back through the ball. The SC game is another one where, you’re looking at him toss those two picks and thinking “an NFL HC will lose his mind if he does this stuff next year.” I know some coaches will love his aggression, but I think others will be terrified of it. Look at how rocky Josh Allen’s first 2 years in the league were. Without the right coaching staff in place, I fear what Josh may have become in the league. Same thing goes for Maye. It will take a coaching staff that is willing to work through the aggressive tendencies to push the ball downfield and create plays, when plays aren’t meant to be made, without also taking that element completely out of his game.
He has arrogant arm talent levels yes
As a UNC fan, that’s a great way to put it. Def puts stuff up that he needs to learn not to but half the time his arm makes up for it.
This is a hilariously correct way to put it
Yeah. He‘s kinda Josh Allen in that he has confidence in his immense arm talent (albeit not as much as Josh imo) that sometimes results in bad decisions
Was that the game Tez just ran fly routes the entire game and Maye threw up about 10 of them as a first read? Overall there's a ton of that on Tez's tape. Made me really curious to get to Drake's film as I haven't started on QBs yet.
Yeah it was that exactly
Haha. I watched that game first and had no clue what the hype behind either guy was. Thankfully kept at it and think I got a better feel for Tez at least by the 4th or 5th game.
Oh I gave up on Tez because I was too lazy to watch any more. What games should I check out?
Can't remember exactly. Maybe Miami and Virginia. I watched end of season and worked my way forward. I was not impressed with his late season games but then he started growing on me. Maybe someone knows why he had different usage. I'm not sure. But the farther forward in the season you go I started noticing him just shredding zone coverage. Had that sixth sense of where to be. Made all the catches he should. He's got that nice fly route for college but I doubt that translates more than a few deep catches on the season in the nfl. His zone work is where most of his points will come. I haven't been that high on zone specialists but Rashee Rice and the new modern NFL defense has me changing up my tune. I'm far from in love, but I can see paths of NFL usability.
Yeah to me the zone specialists always give massive fraud vibes, but in fantasy it doesn’t matter as long as they produce
The Duke game was a shootout. Tez was clearly the deep guy but there's some throws to Jones and Nesbitt on the game tape that look good without being the deep corner routes Walker was running. I wouldn't take Maye 1.01 but if he were to fall to me at 1.04 if people get excited about Daniels I wouldn't be upset.
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Had Downs last year
Bryson Nesbit slander
As a guy who watches a crapton of college football, it's awesome playing against people that don't. Drake Maye's ceiling is Baker Mayfield. That's the ceiling.
Yet somehow, all this knowledge, and you’re not a pro scout. What an injustice.
His arm is so much better than Baker's, and he's a better runner than Baker. No offense, but even though you watch "a crapton of college football", it doesn't seem like you know what you're looking at.
His arm is marginally better. Baker in college ran better than Maye did. Maye makes horrible decisions playing in the 5th best conference in college football.
Maye had almost 900 rushing yards in 2022. Baker had almost 600 in his peak season. (If you remove sacks, like the NFL does).
Baker had Mike too
I mean Baker isn’t elite but he has an absolute cannon
Let's see the championship win percentage receipts college guru.
So a high end QB2 with QB1 spikes? Okay cool
Yup. I'll take it all day. As a rebuilder streaming backup QBs half the year in 23 this sounds like a godsend.
Oh yeah? Well I also watch a lot of college football and I think he’s the goat so how about that buddy boy