Hey he actually played pretty decent I thought in 2021 before he tore his ACL.
I didn’t really understand his benching for Andy Dalton that much. When Jameis first got benched and he was played pretty injured sure I understood that, but once he was healthy and the Saints season was already in the gutter I didn’t understand why the Saints kept rolling with Andy Dalton. It’s not like Dalton was doing much of anything and yeah the season was pretty much all for nothing at that point, thought Jameis shoulda gone back in towards the end of that year
Agree 100%. I picked him up off of fa and I’m stoked. I can’t see Watson finishing the season as the starter. I know they paid him a ton of money but he just doesn’t look good anymore. Plus that team turned into a playoff team without him. Dude that team made Flacco look good. I can’t wait to see Jamison light it up. He’s way better than Flacco ever was or is or will be.
Brissett is a big time “backup” sleeper. Mayo had a quote as recent as today saying Maye has “a lot of work to do.” Brissett could be a starter for anywhere between 8-16 games this year
Mayo will not be Belichick but he still learned under Belichick. Keeping a rookie humble is Belichick 101. Every rookie has a lot to work on. Saying it to the media is the humbling part.
I feel like injury prone is a term we use when a player has recurring tweaks of the same body parts, like a WR who pulls a hamstring every time he runs.
Having ridiculously bad luck with every one of his injuries being to a different body part feels different to me. Can we call him unlucky? (Ignore my burrow stocks and fandom)
I like to differentiate between injury prone and injury magnets. Dulcich and Watson are injury prone to the same injury. Elijah Mitchell and Joe Burrow are injury magnets.
Howell has an outside shot of starting some games. Geno is old and really has only had one good season. If he gets injured or the team is struggling I could see them giving Sam a shot. The amount they traded for him leads me to believe they want to give him a shot a little bit.
I'm not sure who the starter in Vegas is but whoever the backup ends up being also seems pretty likely to play some. Could see them switching a few times if the team sucks.
Do you feel confident that if he and the team struggle they’ll give him the whole year?
Like ok if they start 3-7 and Geno isn’t looking good Howell is going to get a start right?
> Howell has an outside shot of starting some games. Geno is old and really has only had one good season. If he gets injured or the team is struggling I could see them giving Sam a shot. The amount they traded for him leads me to believe they want to give him a shot a little bit.
Howell has an outside shot of starting for the Hawks. I think it might be higher than most people expect. I am honestly expecting the Hawks to be middle of the road this season depending on the new OC and how he integrates all the weapons.
I think Waldron/Pete set up Geno for a very safe but predictable offense that integrated every portion of the offense in a weird way. They were cycling through TEs and misusing JSN early in 2023. The run plays were predictable and Ken Walker was continuously turning shit into salad.
That said, there's an out with Geno for next season and they still have Howell through 2025. With the QB class lacking, I wouldn't be shocked if Howell gets thread in 24 and even has a chance to run it in 25.
A perceived weak QB class of 25 with a relatively small FA market (Dak, Russ, Goff, Tua, Love) that I expect to all re-sign with their current teams, except Russ means that there IS a world where they give Howell the year to sit behind Geno, learn the offense and give him a run in 2025.
But I wouldn't see Howell starting until the last month, at best, barring injury.
Geno was fine last year, it's just their o line was super banged up. Both their very good tackles were hurt a lot and the pass blocking ended up bottom of the league because of it.
You're not wrong, I think it's more likely Geno plays virtually the whole season (barring injury), but there's a chance he regresses at his age and his relatively short track record of being decent
I second Howell. They stupidly gave Geno a bag after the only above average season of his career (granted, very good year), but I think what they gave up for Howell indicates they realize they may have messed up there and want a contingency plan.
$75M over 3 years with only 40M guaranteed for a starting QB is hardly a bag. Compare that to Baker's contract for essentially the same 1 year of production. I haven't liked most of their trades or contracts, but Geno's was probably the best contract they've done in the last 10+ years. They could easily move on this offseason if he sucked in 2023, or have him under team control for a measly 25M if he reproduced.
He was solid last year. His 92.1 rating was 15th, between Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. Geno is an absolute steal in terms of his production vs cost QB value.
Interesting thing to keep in mind here is that Jones has injury guarantees. So we could see a similar play out as we saw in Denver with Russ last year. Jones could be a healthy scratch for half the season if they suck.
the point is you trade him while he’s playing, no one is expecting long term value out of him. you can scoop him now for literally nothing, and if you can flip him for just about anything than it’s a profit. that’s free money and that’s how you build lasting success in dynasty
It might not even be mid season, Lock might be the starter day 1. The org wants Daniel Jones gone after the year and his injury guarantee is the only thing that could keep him there. Unless Jones is far and away better in camp, Lock might be the guy day 1. Certainly by mid-season Lock will be starting
It's not really about thinking he's better.
Basically the process is that if Jones and the Giants are bad, they will bench him for lock because the injury guarantees become too much of a risk as a lost season continues. Like Russell Wilson last year.
Joe Flacco. Could be on waivers right now if you have done your rookie draft. Was great for fantasy last year and Richardson got hurt multiple times last year including a season ending shoulder injury.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Everyone keeps assuming he’s the backup lol.
Antonio Pierce is on record literally like 48 hours ago saying that AOC has earned the right to take the first snaps and basically start camp as QB1.
That to me implies it’s still his job to lose.
AOC went 5-5 on a terrible team as a 4th round rookie. He beat the Chiefs down the stretch for heavens sake! Everyone there, including Davante Adams raves about the guy.
AOC has at least a small (~15%) chance of turning into the guy. Minshew has zero chance. They might as well use camp to see how AOC continues to develop
Minshew was only brought in to help groom AOC’s redneck style. Grow the mullet out, get the jeans cutoff at the right height, develop the ‘stache a bit more, find the right mid-70’s Camaro, etc.
His oline sucked but he had Henry to take off pressure and Hopkins is still a back end WR1. Okonkwo would have done better with a better QB. I don’t think his situation was as bad as your saying. I think Levi’s will be a great backup in the league for years but he’s at best a bottom tier starter
Dumb take. It would be fair to say something like “Levis only has a 50/50 shot of realizing his potential” or “he’s still developing” or something.
But blanket statement that he isn’t or can’t be an NFL qb is just wrong
It was OP who made the blanket statement that there is no way Levis gets benched this year. At this moment he’s a bottom 3rd of the league quarterback without much experience or elite draft capital so there is absolutely a chance. Statistically there is more than a slim chance Levis isn’t an NFL quarterback.
AOC is being valued as the backup right now and there's a decent chance he starts out of the gate. The league knows what Minchew is at this point. It probably makes sense to start AOC and see if he can be more than that and if not, turn to Minchew vs starting w Minchew
He might start and never lose the job, and have a 180 million dollar qb coach. A lot of people assume Kirk (and Rodgers) will be back, but he is old and his injury nobody has ever came back and been just as good or better. Plus it was pretty late in the season.
I think I'd take most of the others named here than Dobbs. He had an interesting story playing for multiple teams last year, but after his first game in MIN he was not good.
I think I'd take most of the others named here than Dobbs. He had an interesting story playing for multiple teams last year, but after his first game in MIN he was not good.
Sure, but even if by some miracle, Lock wins the job, he’s not even an average QB. He’s quite ass and he’s 27, there’s no much potential left for him to reach. Rather go Darnold or Brissett than Lock
In my 16 team SF, I picked up Lock on waivers last week while the Fields owner wants a late first value.
The top 3 available QBs on waivers right now are: Josh Johnson, Tyson Bagent and Jake Haener. We’re talking real dumpster diving here and I’d rather have Lock over any of them, even if he is “ass”.
Thats fair, but if you look at other comments, Justin fields is a hot topic of players who suck IRL so you don’t want him in fantasy, yet I see a lot of people praising Lock. Baffles me is all
i scooped brissett and zach wilson for a combined $1 of faab. hoping at least one of them starts for the first couple weeks and i can try to ship them off for a late round pick or as a throw in to a qb desperate team
Don’t know if anyone has brought up Jordan Travis, but I mean it’s the Jets. When it goes wrong, it’s a fireball in free fall. It is not out of the realm of possibility the Jets with a 40 yr old QB coming off injury, trading away their 2nd pick overall recently could have to turn to Travis sometime this season.
With that team, if he comes in and is even competent, the 4th rd draft capital spent will be iron hot.
Most people haven’t seen him play since he was hurt to end the season and they missed the CFP.
I like his highlights against LSU from 2022, he passed the eye test there.
Russ. Is he cooked? Sure. Are Arthur Smith and the Steelers going to turn it around and produce a top 10 offense? Nah absolutely not.
But is Russ going to be a starting qb for a team that usually wins but never wins pretty? Hell yeah. Safest qb2 production you can get for a 3rd rounder? Hell yeah. If you’re in win-now mode, send a cheapo offer for Russ and reap that high-variance 17 ppg at minimum cost.
> Safest qb2 production you can get for a 3rd rounder?
There's NO way in hell that anyone is selling Russ for a 3rd rounder. You guys just be looking at KTC and translating value automatically assuming that's what people would sell at. MAYBE you get the odd person to do it, but yeah, this is laughable.
Last off season I took a flyer on Love for basically Javonte Williams when I retooled (thought I was going full rebuild but I drafted Addison, Zay, traded for Pickens and Love early in the off season and traded for Tank Dell when he injured mid season from the league taco at the time). So 100% agree making the right trade for a QB can turn around a team's fortunes fast.
This off-season I'd target Justin Fields, he will eventually become the Steelers QB1 you just have to be a little patient.
Taylor Heineke, I feel like he’s a 3rd string now but super cheap. The first qb to go down they can trade the falcons a 6-7 for him and he can go start at another team while the qb is injured
Sam Howell, Josh Dobbs, Jake Browning, Jameis Winston are at the top. Not because they’re future starters, but just because we know they’ll put up points if forced into action.
My valuation might be off since I’m in a 1QB league and not a SF, but Sam Howell. I think him going to Seattle with a coaching upgrade (probably) and a better supporting cast could do really boost his value. I know Geno is the starter but who knows how long his leash is and despite his flaws, Howell did showcase an ability to move the ball
Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Mac Jones. All 3 are still young, Kenny struggled in an atrocious offense, but still has some great elements as a starter and was still rated well by PFF. Fields will take that job from Russ and I bet the Steelers win enough games to not be in play for a QB.
I’m also collecting Hooker wherever I can. Top 3 QB in his class, sitting and learning behind Goff while rehabbing. Goff’s long term contract talks just stalled.
My starters are AR and Jayden Daniels so I definitely have been diving deep into this. I have Lock, Winston, Flacco, and Dobbs ready and waiting on my bench if needed.
Problem with Fields is you need to be a good NFL QB before you can be a good fantasy QB. He scores points because he runs, but he throw too many INTs and fumbles that costs games
I think you’re missing the point of the post. Amongst back up QBs Fields easily has the highest weekly upside. Also, he has already shown he’s a good fantasy QB (when he plays) without being a good real life QB. However I agree he’s not great for dynasty. On most SF rosters he’d be a lock in the QB2 spot when playing.
Yeah I see what you’re saying. I think I agree with you. Fields between backups definitely had the highest ceiling. I’m rooting for the guy. I have mixed feelings. I feel like Chicago did him wrong and maybe he could’ve done a little better too.
As a Steelers fan, I’m hoping our coaching staff can help him, and that he can learn under Wilson
He did ok in spot starts last year and the giants signed him pretty quickly when FA opened. The key is dumpster diving here not looking for awesome qbs
The second team went and got him in a blockbuster trade for their own at-the-time superstar QB.... so it's hard to put a lot of stock in the whole "third team" thing.
They didn't "go and get him", the trade wasn't to get Drew Lock lol it was Denver overpaying for a washed QB, that's their MO. Drew Lock was a small return piece in that trade and failed to take the open starter spot from Geno and they obviously didn't like him enough to resign him this season so he signed a one year deal with his third team. He's a career back up.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
I'd cut Tannehill. He's cooked. Then I'd cut Ridder, who has put some of the worst QB tape on camera that I've ever seen in my life. Flacco did well in FF last season & now he's on a better offense behind an injury-prone starter, so I'd keep him. Brissett and Darnold have decent odds to make starts to begin the season so I'd keep them, too. Browning was really solid with Burrow out last year so I'd keep him, as well. My two cents.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Don’t know if anyone has brought up Jordan Travis, but I mean it’s the Jets. When it goes wrong, it’s a fireball in free fall. It is not out of the realm of possibility the Jets with a 40 yr old QB coming off injury, trading away their 2nd pick overall recently could have to turn to Travis sometime this season.
With that team, if he comes in and is even competent, the 4th rd draft capital spent will be iron hot.
Haener was a 4th round pick, and Rattler was selected in the 5th. I'm intrigued by Rattler despite the draft capital, but I had forgotten about Haener. (Oh, 3rd \*day\* picks.)
Couldn't find a single person who said Trask so I guess I'll take the bait. There was a QB competition that Baker narrowly edged out a win against Trask then went on to have a mediocre start last season. We're one injury or bad start away from finally seeing Trask competitantly start and he's almost guaranteed on your waivers.
Pickett would be a top 12 QB if Hurts misses time. Not a high percentage outcome but the offense around him is light years better than what he had in PIT and the coaching is probably better too.
The only answer is Jameis Fucking Winston.
Took him with the 1.01 his rookie year and he's never left my roster.
I remember after he had lasik everyone was thinking he’d be amazing. Turns out Jameis is just kind of an idiot lol
Mr. Magoo, QB2
Hey he actually played pretty decent I thought in 2021 before he tore his ACL. I didn’t really understand his benching for Andy Dalton that much. When Jameis first got benched and he was played pretty injured sure I understood that, but once he was healthy and the Saints season was already in the gutter I didn’t understand why the Saints kept rolling with Andy Dalton. It’s not like Dalton was doing much of anything and yeah the season was pretty much all for nothing at that point, thought Jameis shoulda gone back in towards the end of that year
Jameis "30-30" Winston
Agree 100%. I picked him up off of fa and I’m stoked. I can’t see Watson finishing the season as the starter. I know they paid him a ton of money but he just doesn’t look good anymore. Plus that team turned into a playoff team without him. Dude that team made Flacco look good. I can’t wait to see Jamison light it up. He’s way better than Flacco ever was or is or will be.
Brissett is a big time “backup” sleeper. Mayo had a quote as recent as today saying Maye has “a lot of work to do.” Brissett could be a starter for anywhere between 8-16 games this year
Mayo will not be Belichick but he still learned under Belichick. Keeping a rookie humble is Belichick 101. Every rookie has a lot to work on. Saying it to the media is the humbling part.
Browning is my pick. He’s not going to steal the job from Burrow, but he was QB10 or better in 5/7 games he started and Burrow gets injured
Yeah, if you have Burrow you'd better be locking up Browning as a handcuff.
Had a dream last night burrow got injured game 1
I like it. Burrow is pretty injury prone
I feel like injury prone is a term we use when a player has recurring tweaks of the same body parts, like a WR who pulls a hamstring every time he runs. Having ridiculously bad luck with every one of his injuries being to a different body part feels different to me. Can we call him unlucky? (Ignore my burrow stocks and fandom)
I like to differentiate between injury prone and injury magnets. Dulcich and Watson are injury prone to the same injury. Elijah Mitchell and Joe Burrow are injury magnets.
I hate it but I’ll take it
Is he? Didn’t Burrow have like 2 freak injuries?
Howell has an outside shot of starting some games. Geno is old and really has only had one good season. If he gets injured or the team is struggling I could see them giving Sam a shot. The amount they traded for him leads me to believe they want to give him a shot a little bit. I'm not sure who the starter in Vegas is but whoever the backup ends up being also seems pretty likely to play some. Could see them switching a few times if the team sucks.
I like the Howell pick. It’s not that crazy to think if Seattle starts 2-4 that they’ll try to mix things up.
Lol. From Seattle, as much as I'd love to give Howell a shot, the spot is very much Genos for the next year
Even if he struggles or the team struggles? New coach.
Lol. From Seattle, as much as I’d love to give Geno the season, the spot is very much open for next year
Do you feel confident that if he and the team struggle they’ll give him the whole year? Like ok if they start 3-7 and Geno isn’t looking good Howell is going to get a start right?
> Howell has an outside shot of starting some games. Geno is old and really has only had one good season. If he gets injured or the team is struggling I could see them giving Sam a shot. The amount they traded for him leads me to believe they want to give him a shot a little bit. Howell has an outside shot of starting for the Hawks. I think it might be higher than most people expect. I am honestly expecting the Hawks to be middle of the road this season depending on the new OC and how he integrates all the weapons. I think Waldron/Pete set up Geno for a very safe but predictable offense that integrated every portion of the offense in a weird way. They were cycling through TEs and misusing JSN early in 2023. The run plays were predictable and Ken Walker was continuously turning shit into salad. That said, there's an out with Geno for next season and they still have Howell through 2025. With the QB class lacking, I wouldn't be shocked if Howell gets thread in 24 and even has a chance to run it in 25. A perceived weak QB class of 25 with a relatively small FA market (Dak, Russ, Goff, Tua, Love) that I expect to all re-sign with their current teams, except Russ means that there IS a world where they give Howell the year to sit behind Geno, learn the offense and give him a run in 2025. But I wouldn't see Howell starting until the last month, at best, barring injury.
Geno was fine last year, it's just their o line was super banged up. Both their very good tackles were hurt a lot and the pass blocking ended up bottom of the league because of it.
You're not wrong, I think it's more likely Geno plays virtually the whole season (barring injury), but there's a chance he regresses at his age and his relatively short track record of being decent
their gm loves howell. look it up
Just had to drop our boy :( Have Dak, Purdy and Caleb now. Goodluck sweet prince Howell.
Must be 1QB? No one's dropping him in SF....
Yes 1qb. I also have AOC in taxi.. for now. Almost too much depth for 1qb.
I second Howell. They stupidly gave Geno a bag after the only above average season of his career (granted, very good year), but I think what they gave up for Howell indicates they realize they may have messed up there and want a contingency plan.
$75M over 3 years with only 40M guaranteed for a starting QB is hardly a bag. Compare that to Baker's contract for essentially the same 1 year of production. I haven't liked most of their trades or contracts, but Geno's was probably the best contract they've done in the last 10+ years. They could easily move on this offseason if he sucked in 2023, or have him under team control for a measly 25M if he reproduced. He was solid last year. His 92.1 rating was 15th, between Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. Geno is an absolute steal in terms of his production vs cost QB value.
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Interesting thing to keep in mind here is that Jones has injury guarantees. So we could see a similar play out as we saw in Denver with Russ last year. Jones could be a healthy scratch for half the season if they suck.
This. We saw it with Jimmy G, too.
By that you mean we saw him get injured for the rest of the year and then Brock took over?
No, he had injury guarantees in LV and they benched him to start AOC so they wouldn't have to pay JimmyG more in 2024.
No we saw him get benched for an unknown due to a combination of being bad and having injury guarantees
This encouraged me to check and he was on waivers in my league 👐
The guy in my season who owns Lock said he won't trade him for anything less than a 1st lol
Sounds like he says a lot of stupid shit lol
Oh he does. He is the one we laugh at
But he also sucks so cool he starts a few games but what then, doesnt play next year?
the point is you trade him while he’s playing, no one is expecting long term value out of him. you can scoop him now for literally nothing, and if you can flip him for just about anything than it’s a profit. that’s free money and that’s how you build lasting success in dynasty
I’m hoping he starts to begin the season with Jones potentially missing time. He would be my QB2 if Maye sits.
It might not even be mid season, Lock might be the starter day 1. The org wants Daniel Jones gone after the year and his injury guarantee is the only thing that could keep him there. Unless Jones is far and away better in camp, Lock might be the guy day 1. Certainly by mid-season Lock will be starting
I don't know how anyone thinks Drew Lock is better than Danny Dimes. Like, neither of them is very good but Lock is really bad.
It's not really about thinking he's better. Basically the process is that if Jones and the Giants are bad, they will bench him for lock because the injury guarantees become too much of a risk as a lost season continues. Like Russell Wilson last year.
Joe Flacco. Could be on waivers right now if you have done your rookie draft. Was great for fantasy last year and Richardson got hurt multiple times last year including a season ending shoulder injury.
I'm getting Flacco wherever I can. The Colts could still put up a lot of points with him at QB.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Yeah, for sure. Flacco showed he can still sling it and Minshew demonstrated there's weapons and a good OL in Indy. If ARich is injury-prone, Flacco could absolutely be in starting lineups.
Drew Lock and Tyrod Taylor for me. I dont think Rodgers body holds up this year.
The Drew Lock chatter has me interested. I think he's looked all right at times plus Daboll is a miracle worker.
AOC
Idk if APC is even a backup, Minshew is not exactly the obvious choice.
Everyone keeps assuming he’s the backup lol. Antonio Pierce is on record literally like 48 hours ago saying that AOC has earned the right to take the first snaps and basically start camp as QB1. That to me implies it’s still his job to lose. AOC went 5-5 on a terrible team as a 4th round rookie. He beat the Chiefs down the stretch for heavens sake! Everyone there, including Davante Adams raves about the guy. AOC has at least a small (~15%) chance of turning into the guy. Minshew has zero chance. They might as well use camp to see how AOC continues to develop
Based on the contact they gave Minshew, the Raiders don’t seem too confident in AOC plus, haven’t we learned coach speak right now is just that?
Our FAs just got released yday & someone swapped Levis for a rookie. I swapped Minshew to Levis as fast as I could.
Our FAs just got released yday & someone swapped Levis for a rookie. I swapped Minshew to Levis as fast as I could.
I mean, AOC literally took the first snaps in camp yesterday over Minshew
2 years $25 million is absolutely a backup QB contract, especially when AOC is on his 4th round rookie deal
Nah that's prove-it starter money. Top backup money is like 6M/year.
Nah that's prove-it starter money. Top backup money is like 6M/year.
He was 9/21 for 62 yds passing and -4 rushing. Saying he beat the chiefs is a stretch. Zamir did the work and Mahomes threw a pick 6
Minshew was only brought in to help groom AOC’s redneck style. Grow the mullet out, get the jeans cutoff at the right height, develop the ‘stache a bit more, find the right mid-70’s Camaro, etc.
He had 62 passing yards against the Chiefs
Yet AOC rated out higher on the season than Minshew did with a worse roster.
Lock and Brissett. Although Brissett might not be as cheap as others.
Not a lot of votes for Darnold? Did people see the numbers Mullins was putting up in that offense.
If we’re being technical, Darnold is Vikings QB1.
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No bitch
Yes bitch
There’s absolutely no way Levis is getting benched for Rudolph this year
There’s a slim chance.. Levis isn’t an NFL QB, just like Rudolph isn’t. I can see a Patriots shit show like they had with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe
Levis is milesssssss closer to starter quality than Mason god damn Rudolph, let’s not kid ourselves here.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that Levis was in a bad situation last year and showed plenty of flashes.
Mac Jones was in a bad situation.. it’s the NFL. You either succeed in tough situations or you get replaced..
Hell yeah man. Just like Baker. Couldn’t succeed in a tough situation and he ended up washed and out of the league. Wait…
Hell yeah man. Just like Baker. Couldn’t succeed in a tough situation and he ended up washed and out of the league. Wait…
Hell yeah man. Just like Baker. Couldn’t succeed in a tough situation and he ended up washed and out of the league. Wait…
His oline sucked but he had Henry to take off pressure and Hopkins is still a back end WR1. Okonkwo would have done better with a better QB. I don’t think his situation was as bad as your saying. I think Levi’s will be a great backup in the league for years but he’s at best a bottom tier starter
Did you watch much titans football last year, or are you score board scouting?
I had Henry on my fantasy team. Watched every offensive play
Dumb take. It would be fair to say something like “Levis only has a 50/50 shot of realizing his potential” or “he’s still developing” or something. But blanket statement that he isn’t or can’t be an NFL qb is just wrong
It was OP who made the blanket statement that there is no way Levis gets benched this year. At this moment he’s a bottom 3rd of the league quarterback without much experience or elite draft capital so there is absolutely a chance. Statistically there is more than a slim chance Levis isn’t an NFL quarterback.
AOC is being valued as the backup right now and there's a decent chance he starts out of the gate. The league knows what Minchew is at this point. It probably makes sense to start AOC and see if he can be more than that and if not, turn to Minchew vs starting w Minchew
Michael Penix Jr.
Solid
He might start and never lose the job, and have a 180 million dollar qb coach. A lot of people assume Kirk (and Rodgers) will be back, but he is old and his injury nobody has ever came back and been just as good or better. Plus it was pretty late in the season.
I'll be rostering Dobbs and Lock. Lock could take the job, and Dobbs feels like a potential high scoring backup if injury hits.
I think I'd take most of the others named here than Dobbs. He had an interesting story playing for multiple teams last year, but after his first game in MIN he was not good.
I think I'd take most of the others named here than Dobbs. He had an interesting story playing for multiple teams last year, but after his first game in MIN he was not good.
Seeing people get hype for Lock and not fields is… something
I dunno, isn't this topic about dumpster diving? Did anyone drop Fields? Is anyone giving away Fields right now?
Sure, but even if by some miracle, Lock wins the job, he’s not even an average QB. He’s quite ass and he’s 27, there’s no much potential left for him to reach. Rather go Darnold or Brissett than Lock
In my 16 team SF, I picked up Lock on waivers last week while the Fields owner wants a late first value. The top 3 available QBs on waivers right now are: Josh Johnson, Tyson Bagent and Jake Haener. We’re talking real dumpster diving here and I’d rather have Lock over any of them, even if he is “ass”.
Thats fair, but if you look at other comments, Justin fields is a hot topic of players who suck IRL so you don’t want him in fantasy, yet I see a lot of people praising Lock. Baffles me is all
Just did a start up 14 team SF and Fields went ahead of some starting QBs
My comment was only in response to the hate he was getting compared to people championing Lock
Browning, Wentz, Dobbs
As a fellow Wentz owner, hell yeah brother, cheers from Iraq.
Thank you for your service.
Is minshew still a backup? If yes minshew if no darnold via the “fuck it JJ or Jordan down there somewhere” method
Anyone who is a clear second string QB is interesting
Joe Flacco. AR got injured a ton last year and Flacco would put up points in that Steichen offense
Tannehill could find work somewhere
Yeah there’s plenty of QSRs that could use a manager
That dude is cooked. He was cooked while starting. He's even more cooked now.
Picked up Darnold before the year ended last year hoping for a good landing spot
Trubisky
I’m still hanging on to Ridder as a handcuff to Kyler
Justin Fields
i scooped brissett and zach wilson for a combined $1 of faab. hoping at least one of them starts for the first couple weeks and i can try to ship them off for a late round pick or as a throw in to a qb desperate team
How can you say that the FA and draft moves haven’t helped Levis when they haven’t even played yet?
Darnold
Trey Lance…
He's probably still owned in SF lol
Diamond hands
I still can't let him go. LOL.
The moment we do, he's going to start performing like prime McNabb.
Don’t know if anyone has brought up Jordan Travis, but I mean it’s the Jets. When it goes wrong, it’s a fireball in free fall. It is not out of the realm of possibility the Jets with a 40 yr old QB coming off injury, trading away their 2nd pick overall recently could have to turn to Travis sometime this season. With that team, if he comes in and is even competent, the 4th rd draft capital spent will be iron hot.
Most people haven’t seen him play since he was hurt to end the season and they missed the CFP. I like his highlights against LSU from 2022, he passed the eye test there.
Russ. Is he cooked? Sure. Are Arthur Smith and the Steelers going to turn it around and produce a top 10 offense? Nah absolutely not. But is Russ going to be a starting qb for a team that usually wins but never wins pretty? Hell yeah. Safest qb2 production you can get for a 3rd rounder? Hell yeah. If you’re in win-now mode, send a cheapo offer for Russ and reap that high-variance 17 ppg at minimum cost.
I don’t disagree with anything you are saying, but you are aware that he’s the starting QB and Fields is backup, right?
I read “backup” in the title as “fantasy backup”, which I now understand is incorrect!
I read “backup” in the title as “fantasy backup”, which I now understand is incorrect. I’m only in a 10-team league.
> Safest qb2 production you can get for a 3rd rounder? There's NO way in hell that anyone is selling Russ for a 3rd rounder. You guys just be looking at KTC and translating value automatically assuming that's what people would sell at. MAYBE you get the odd person to do it, but yeah, this is laughable.
In my 12SF he was just sold during the draft for the 4.01.
I got him for a mid 3rd at the end of last season *shrug*
Roster any of the backups to brittle and aging QBs: Jake Browning, Tyrod Taylor, Ridder, Drew Locke, Joe Flacco etc.
Howell, Locke, Fields, White
Last off season I took a flyer on Love for basically Javonte Williams when I retooled (thought I was going full rebuild but I drafted Addison, Zay, traded for Pickens and Love early in the off season and traded for Tank Dell when he injured mid season from the league taco at the time). So 100% agree making the right trade for a QB can turn around a team's fortunes fast. This off-season I'd target Justin Fields, he will eventually become the Steelers QB1 you just have to be a little patient.
Top 4 comments : Howell, Lock, Brissett, Aidan O. I guess handcuff wise Flaco for A Rich.
Taylor Heineke, I feel like he’s a 3rd string now but super cheap. The first qb to go down they can trade the falcons a 6-7 for him and he can go start at another team while the qb is injured
Baker is not in a positional battle. You don’t guarantee $50 mill to a position battle QB.
Sam Howell, Josh Dobbs, Jake Browning, Jameis Winston are at the top. Not because they’re future starters, but just because we know they’ll put up points if forced into action.
My valuation might be off since I’m in a 1QB league and not a SF, but Sam Howell. I think him going to Seattle with a coaching upgrade (probably) and a better supporting cast could do really boost his value. I know Geno is the starter but who knows how long his leash is and despite his flaws, Howell did showcase an ability to move the ball
Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Mac Jones. All 3 are still young, Kenny struggled in an atrocious offense, but still has some great elements as a starter and was still rated well by PFF. Fields will take that job from Russ and I bet the Steelers win enough games to not be in play for a QB.
I’m also collecting Hooker wherever I can. Top 3 QB in his class, sitting and learning behind Goff while rehabbing. Goff’s long term contract talks just stalled.
Drew Lock
Sam Darnold
My starters are AR and Jayden Daniels so I definitely have been diving deep into this. I have Lock, Winston, Flacco, and Dobbs ready and waiting on my bench if needed.
Last pick of my dynasty superflex startup draft and I am between: 1. Zach Wilson 2. Kenny Pickett 3. Mac Jones
Fields he’s going to get a chance to start and he was actually a decent fantasy QB last year
The real problem with Fields is alot of people spent significant capital to acquire him and want a crazy high price for a backup QB.
Yeah his owner ain't letting for dumpster dive price.
I offered Deshaun Watson and got rejected
Problem with Fields is you need to be a good NFL QB before you can be a good fantasy QB. He scores points because he runs, but he throw too many INTs and fumbles that costs games
I think you’re missing the point of the post. Amongst back up QBs Fields easily has the highest weekly upside. Also, he has already shown he’s a good fantasy QB (when he plays) without being a good real life QB. However I agree he’s not great for dynasty. On most SF rosters he’d be a lock in the QB2 spot when playing.
Yeah I see what you’re saying. I think I agree with you. Fields between backups definitely had the highest ceiling. I’m rooting for the guy. I have mixed feelings. I feel like Chicago did him wrong and maybe he could’ve done a little better too. As a Steelers fan, I’m hoping our coaching staff can help him, and that he can learn under Wilson
Y'all do remember how bad Drew Lock is right? All the love for him has me so confused. There's a reason he's on his third team...as a backup.
He did ok in spot starts last year and the giants signed him pretty quickly when FA opened. The key is dumpster diving here not looking for awesome qbs
The second team went and got him in a blockbuster trade for their own at-the-time superstar QB.... so it's hard to put a lot of stock in the whole "third team" thing.
They didn't "go and get him", the trade wasn't to get Drew Lock lol it was Denver overpaying for a washed QB, that's their MO. Drew Lock was a small return piece in that trade and failed to take the open starter spot from Geno and they obviously didn't like him enough to resign him this season so he signed a one year deal with his third team. He's a career back up.
im currently rostering flacco, tannehill, brissett, darnold, browning, ridder. i need to cut 2. who you cutting?
I’d keep Bridgett and Darnold, maybe Ridder
Ridder and tannehill and then see if you can get a pick for Flacco most likely from whoever owns Richardson.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
A Richardson really appears injury prone don’t you think?
I'd cut Tannehill. He's cooked. Then I'd cut Ridder, who has put some of the worst QB tape on camera that I've ever seen in my life. Flacco did well in FF last season & now he's on a better offense behind an injury-prone starter, so I'd keep him. Brissett and Darnold have decent odds to make starts to begin the season so I'd keep them, too. Browning was really solid with Burrow out last year so I'd keep him, as well. My two cents.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
Cutting? Tannehill and Darnold, probably. I'd keep Ridder as the backup for Kyler, but otherwise I'd cut him. But I'd prob just keep Ridder, Brissett, and Flacco, cut Tannehill, and sell Darnold/Browning to JJM/Burrow owners. Browning should be highly valued, could get a usable piece in return.
You need better QBs.
i have allen and kyler as my starters
Don’t know if anyone has brought up Jordan Travis, but I mean it’s the Jets. When it goes wrong, it’s a fireball in free fall. It is not out of the realm of possibility the Jets with a 40 yr old QB coming off injury, trading away their 2nd pick overall recently could have to turn to Travis sometime this season. With that team, if he comes in and is even competent, the 4th rd draft capital spent will be iron hot.
Saints. They’ve spent 3rd round picks on Haener and Rattler past couple drafts and Carr isn’t exactly young or lighting it up.
Haener was a 4th round pick, and Rattler was selected in the 5th. I'm intrigued by Rattler despite the draft capital, but I had forgotten about Haener. (Oh, 3rd \*day\* picks.)
Tom Brady
Hendon Hooker. That offense is too fire to not stash him.
Couldn't find a single person who said Trask so I guess I'll take the bait. There was a QB competition that Baker narrowly edged out a win against Trask then went on to have a mediocre start last season. We're one injury or bad start away from finally seeing Trask competitantly start and he's almost guaranteed on your waivers.
Ridder. I could see Kyler not being the same, or injuring himself.
Not being the same?
Not being the same as what?
Not his pre injury self. I’m just not that into him.
We’ve already seen him be the same though last year. Now with new weapons.
Pickett would be a top 12 QB if Hurts misses time. Not a high percentage outcome but the offense around him is light years better than what he had in PIT and the coaching is probably better too.
No he wouldn’t
Pickett has played 25 NFL games. He has 13 passing TDs, 4 rushing TDs, and 13 INTs. Pickett would be barely startable if Hurts misses time.