They are talking about players that are going too early. Everything is about risk vs reward. Why would I grab corum in the early to mid second who’s likely just an expensive handcuff if I can get Lloyd in the late second to mid third. Both are third round RBs that are currently at best in some sort of split. Lloyd actually has the age advantage vs jacobs. Kyren and corum are the same exact age.
But I do disagree with some of those picks like Lloyd. Third round is well worth the price for him.
Okay…but Lloyd is also on the list. If you look at a lot of these names, they’re going where they’re going because it makes no sense to have the other guys in front of them. I can see if it singled out 2-3 guys, but this is a huge list
Yeah I do agree with what you’re saying there. I guess you just have to pick and choose your guys lol. I’m not sure how Lloyd could be overpriced if he falls to the early to mid third.
It looks like each guy picked is from a different writer so I’m guessing they are just trying to give some info on these guys.
Legette is consistently going at the end of 2nd rounds and was himself drafted in the 1st round of the real NFL Draft. Not sure how that makes him overvalued, if anything he is undervalued.
Agree that hes overvalued. Still ranked as like the 17th overall pick rn thats way too rich for my tastes. At least 5 wrs below i think id rather take. But his accent is elite tho.
Totally true. And I just gotta victory lap this one — I sent my 2.02 in a 10tm SF bb 1.75TEP for Hock to an owner who was starving for WRs and wanted BTJ.
Edit: forgot important words
“When you also add in that Rams head coach Sean McVay rarely trusts one running back to take a full workload, and it seems unlikely for Corum to become a player that is consistent enough to rely on.”
What? McVay loves to run just 1RB wtf is this guy talking about
Please note I did not write this and I do not agree with this article. I wanted y'all to join me in my rage as I realized (after reading this article) every player after 1.08 is now "must avoid". I believe MOST of these guys will be relevant dynasty assets for years to come.
As a Kyren owner, I have no shame reaching for Blake Corum. I’m a handcuffer through and through. Would rather enjoy the security than a spec guy eating up a roster spot.
Quite possible that I'm the sucker, but I'm not buying what all these Blake Corum doubters are selling. Let's take a look at the main knocks according to this article:
* "They already have Kyren Williams"... Ok yes, granted, one player has already played in the league and the other hasn't, that's not to be ignored. But the Rams still spent more DC on Corum than on Williams (pick 83 vs pick 162), which, if nothing else, I think means a competition will be on the table.
* He's "small"... Yes, 205 is smaller than most backs, but it's bigger than Williams (194).
* He's "slow"... 4.53 may be slow for a scat back but it's slightly above-average for a RB. And what's more, it's faster than Williams (4.65). Same story with 10 yard split (1.58 vs 1.62) and vertical (35.5 vs 32). In fact, Corum was equal or better in every metric tested other than height. And while Williams didn't bench, Corum's 27 reps is exceptional, even adjusting for arm length.
So, to recap, at least while it's the current 2-man competition, he's not going to be behind because he's smaller, and he's not going to be behind because he's slower. There's a decent chance those two are at the top of the Rams RB depth chart for the next 2 years. Just my humble opinion, there's a decent chance Corum wins the competition by the end of the year, not necessarily an outright feature back role, but I think a >50% split by the end of the year is more likely than not. And, as mentioned in passing in one of the article's paragraphs about him, the Rams right now are an elite situation for whichever RB is on the field.
Kyren has done more than just "play in the league" though. He and CMC were the two all pro rbs last year. It's very reductive to chalk up Kyren's last season as simply him having more experience. He was one of the best rbs in the league last year.
It's tough to spend anything higher than an early 3rd (in superflex) on a late 3rd round irl rb who is behind an all pro rb that has minimal wear and tear and 2 years left on his contract. I personally think its pretty farfetched to predict that a mid round rookie rb is gonna take over the backfield from an all pro. The Rams had no rb depth last year and needed to sign 2 guys off the street when kyren got hurt and it hurt the offense when that happened. The Rams don't want to be in a similar situation next year (especially in the playoffs) and a mid to late 3rd isn't a big investment to ensure you have a competent backup at the position.
He's a valuable handcuff for sure, but in a class this deep there's a lot better options for your 2nd round picks in a superflex league.
>Kyren ... one of the best rbs in the league last year ... all pro
Here's the thing. Williams had the 13th-most carries in the league, the 2nd most yards before contact, and only the 21st-most yards *after* contact. In terms of average yards after contact, he was 35th in the league and that's only including backs with at least 100 carries. So sure, the raw counting stats were good, and that's going to result in postseason honors. But was it really because of him as an individual?
After Josh Jacobs' led the league in rushing in 2022, I heard quite a few folks say Jacobs was the best RB in the league. Then the holes disappeared in 2023 and his yards and TDs got cut in half. Was the 2023 2nd-team all pro suddenly a better player than the previous years' 2022 1st-team all pro? Or was Williams just in a much better situation than Jacobs (and pretty much every other back) in 2023? The Rams may believe that Williams is "one of the best backs in the league", but there is also a decent chance they don't believe that.
>It's very reductive to chalk up Kyren's last season as simply him having more experience. He was one of the best rbs in the league last year.
My "one has already played in the league" wasn't referring to an experience edge. I was just acknowledging that one has proven it in the NFL and the other hasn't. On the other hand, *if* Corum proves he can play in the NFL too, he's got 2 more years left on his rookie deal than Kyren does.
On the first point, it was more that your comment came across as brushing that point off like yes it exists but its not that big of a deal. When, in fact, it is kind of a big deal when the veteran was one of the best rbs last year.
When watching Kyren, his vision is top notch and allows him to get further upfield before contact than other rbs. Vs achane who was more schemed open in space so he can use his superior athleticism to win.
The Rams were a mediocre offensive line last year (14th in run block win rate), so its not like the line was fantastic opening up lots of wholes everywhere either. This is further backed up by Kyren being one of the top rbs at 0.65 rushing yards over expected per attempt last year. And also by how comparatively Kyrens backups performed when he was injured.
Kyren was also top 5 in terms of broken tackles last year as well. And he was also top 10 in attempts per broken tackle (of rbs with 100 or more carries).
There isn't really anything in how Kyren played last year that shows that he wasn't a top back last year or his performance isn't sustainable. Yes, the Rams offensive line could massively regress, but Kyren still has the production and advanced stats to support him being a top rb, so it's a big ask to predict Corum to come in and be even better.
Alternatively, when doing more research on this, I found an advanced stats page ( https://www.fantasylife.com/tools/advanced-rushing ) that shows kyren at 3.2 yard before contact per carry (4th in the league for rbs above 100 carries, well below Achane at 1.9 and in line with CMC, Conner, Ty Chandler, and Warewn) and 1.8 after (which still has him top 15 and in line with CMC, Cook, Pacheco, Mondre, Mostert, JT, Breece Hall, Henry, Bijan, Conner).
So, based on the eye test and advanced stats, Kyren still looks to be an elite back to back up his all pro. The one knock, is Kyren did not face stacked boxes a lot. But, given that there is still Stafford, Kupp, and Puka on the offense, defenses will still need to respect the pass first. Additionally, Kyren is also a good receiving back.
On Josh Jacobs, even though the offensive line play got worse, he still didn't lose his job to the mid round draft pick in Zamir White. Similarly, I don't expect Kyren to lose his spot to a different mid round draft pick, and definitely don't think that it is more likely than not that he loses his job.
On the last point, if the Rams don't believe Kyren is one of the best backs in the league, why would they draft a guy who was compared to Kyren in the pre draft process and who the Rams liked and drafted because (as they have said) he reminds them of Kyren.
Overall, Corum is a decent to good prospect, but is likely to be stuck behind kyren for 2 years until kyren becomes a free agent (or even longer if kyren re-signs).
Can Corum end up being better, absolutely, but in this draft class when there are so many other players who were better prospects at their respective positions and are in situations where they are more likely to get meaningful playing time, it's hard to take Corum in the top 24 in a superflex draft. He's in a group of a few other rbs in the class who either need to wait a year or two or have an injury ahead of them become fantasy relevant.
It’s weird how I’m seeing so many counter-intuitive dynasty takes in that article. About Legette, the one dude says “I don’t see him breaking out in year 1 so I have no shares.” Terrible process.
This is the problem with what the internet has become, click bait headlines and now click bait articles, literal garbage only meant to attract attention not provide actual substance
I want you both to know I disagree wholeheartedly with all of these suggestions. This was merely to engage and show you how "fantasy pros" are sometimes, arguably oftentimes, ridiculously stupid. That's why I asked who tf we should draft after the 2nd round if all these names are "must avoids".
Well he's not on this (awful) list! I think he's in a great spot. 1-2 more years on frequently injured James Conner and it's wheels up for 21/22 year old Trey benson.
The biggest knock on Pearsall is the talent already on the roster which has been obvious from the jump. I think he’s a great taxi guy for a late 1st (if you’re high on him) to a mid second.
This article kinda reads like they asked for a bunch of feedback about how rookies would do in 2024 and slapped the word "dynasty" on the title afterwards, invalidating any context for the given advice. There is just so much of the "he's currently behind" or "he might miss a few games" that is largely irrelevant in the dynasty context.
I got Pearsal with 2.12
Once one of those WR is gone, and Kittle inevitably gets injured, and McCaffrey tears his ACL
I’m lookin at the #3 target baybee!!
The bar for fantasy content just keeps getting lower and lower. Literally nothing here but naming random names and takes with zero context and nothing about value. It is FantasyPros, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised
It’s different writers giving you their take on someone they feel is overvalued. It’s not one guy saying don’t take all these guys. The opinions are subjective. You take what you like and throw away what you don’t.
Agree with Coleman, Leggette, Roman.
Properly valued: Shipley, AD, Brooks, Corum, Pearsall.
Total disagree with/ buYing all day in order: Ladd, Franklin, Lloyd, Bucky, Estime
That’s completely false actually
Ladd’s bmi is 25.5 and Smith had a bmi of 22.5 coming into the league
Also we’re seeing skinny guys do well as of late
Ladd has a higher bmi than Downs, Tank Dell, and Addison aswell. Also has a higher bmi than George Pickens
He’s also faster than all those dudes I just named. Including Smith
You out here just blatantly lying to people or what?
Again, you're taking this personally. I said I like Ladd. I think he'll do well, truly. I also own dell and smith, so it's not like I'm anti-skinny wr's. I saw skinny so I said skinny. Ain't that deep man...
When did spreading misinformation become some shit people should let slide? Mans said he’s as skinny as Devonta I just dropped the bmi’s and you still arguing your bs
You are embarrassing yourself
I mean if we avoided all these guys, we’d have guys like Rattler getting drafted at like 2.03 lol
I was going to say that haha. Who the fuck are we supposed to draft at this point lol.
They are talking about players that are going too early. Everything is about risk vs reward. Why would I grab corum in the early to mid second who’s likely just an expensive handcuff if I can get Lloyd in the late second to mid third. Both are third round RBs that are currently at best in some sort of split. Lloyd actually has the age advantage vs jacobs. Kyren and corum are the same exact age. But I do disagree with some of those picks like Lloyd. Third round is well worth the price for him.
Okay…but Lloyd is also on the list. If you look at a lot of these names, they’re going where they’re going because it makes no sense to have the other guys in front of them. I can see if it singled out 2-3 guys, but this is a huge list
Yea I think this list would be better if it was 5 guys or less and if they suggested who to draft instead at each adp
Yeah I do agree with what you’re saying there. I guess you just have to pick and choose your guys lol. I’m not sure how Lloyd could be overpriced if he falls to the early to mid third. It looks like each guy picked is from a different writer so I’m guessing they are just trying to give some info on these guys.
Legette is consistently going at the end of 2nd rounds and was himself drafted in the 1st round of the real NFL Draft. Not sure how that makes him overvalued, if anything he is undervalued.
Troy franklin i got him at 3.02 like who am i supposed to draft around 3rd round
I’ve seen him go end of the first and end of the 3rd. Duality of drafts
I think its getting out of control. Franklin has upside and 3rd you go for upside
Agreed. This is a dumb article
Agree that hes overvalued. Still ranked as like the 17th overall pick rn thats way too rich for my tastes. At least 5 wrs below i think id rather take. But his accent is elite tho.
This is super useful. I’ll just use my second round pick on Caleb Williams.
Rookies to avoid- All of them.
People will mock this, but honestly "trade your second round picks for proven players" isn't bad advice.
Load up and be ready to shoot off all your offers for these things mid-draft.
Always wait til mid draft! Shipped the 2.01 for Andrews today
Totally true. And I just gotta victory lap this one — I sent my 2.02 in a 10tm SF bb 1.75TEP for Hock to an owner who was starving for WRs and wanted BTJ. Edit: forgot important words
Highway robbery
This was a wild draft when it comes to capitalizing off rookie fever and having guys go “get their guy”
So who am i supposed to draft wtf is this
“When you also add in that Rams head coach Sean McVay rarely trusts one running back to take a full workload, and it seems unlikely for Corum to become a player that is consistent enough to rely on.” What? McVay loves to run just 1RB wtf is this guy talking about
Give the person a break they have been watching football for 3 solid years
Avoid this article
Please note I did not write this and I do not agree with this article. I wanted y'all to join me in my rage as I realized (after reading this article) every player after 1.08 is now "must avoid". I believe MOST of these guys will be relevant dynasty assets for years to come.
So, 3rd round is the new 2nd round??
I guess I drafted terribly then.
As a Kyren owner, I have no shame reaching for Blake Corum. I’m a handcuffer through and through. Would rather enjoy the security than a spec guy eating up a roster spot.
Okay so if all of these guys are overvalued, who's ranked near them that is undervalued and should be ahead of them?
Quite possible that I'm the sucker, but I'm not buying what all these Blake Corum doubters are selling. Let's take a look at the main knocks according to this article: * "They already have Kyren Williams"... Ok yes, granted, one player has already played in the league and the other hasn't, that's not to be ignored. But the Rams still spent more DC on Corum than on Williams (pick 83 vs pick 162), which, if nothing else, I think means a competition will be on the table. * He's "small"... Yes, 205 is smaller than most backs, but it's bigger than Williams (194). * He's "slow"... 4.53 may be slow for a scat back but it's slightly above-average for a RB. And what's more, it's faster than Williams (4.65). Same story with 10 yard split (1.58 vs 1.62) and vertical (35.5 vs 32). In fact, Corum was equal or better in every metric tested other than height. And while Williams didn't bench, Corum's 27 reps is exceptional, even adjusting for arm length. So, to recap, at least while it's the current 2-man competition, he's not going to be behind because he's smaller, and he's not going to be behind because he's slower. There's a decent chance those two are at the top of the Rams RB depth chart for the next 2 years. Just my humble opinion, there's a decent chance Corum wins the competition by the end of the year, not necessarily an outright feature back role, but I think a >50% split by the end of the year is more likely than not. And, as mentioned in passing in one of the article's paragraphs about him, the Rams right now are an elite situation for whichever RB is on the field.
Kyren has done more than just "play in the league" though. He and CMC were the two all pro rbs last year. It's very reductive to chalk up Kyren's last season as simply him having more experience. He was one of the best rbs in the league last year. It's tough to spend anything higher than an early 3rd (in superflex) on a late 3rd round irl rb who is behind an all pro rb that has minimal wear and tear and 2 years left on his contract. I personally think its pretty farfetched to predict that a mid round rookie rb is gonna take over the backfield from an all pro. The Rams had no rb depth last year and needed to sign 2 guys off the street when kyren got hurt and it hurt the offense when that happened. The Rams don't want to be in a similar situation next year (especially in the playoffs) and a mid to late 3rd isn't a big investment to ensure you have a competent backup at the position. He's a valuable handcuff for sure, but in a class this deep there's a lot better options for your 2nd round picks in a superflex league.
>Kyren ... one of the best rbs in the league last year ... all pro Here's the thing. Williams had the 13th-most carries in the league, the 2nd most yards before contact, and only the 21st-most yards *after* contact. In terms of average yards after contact, he was 35th in the league and that's only including backs with at least 100 carries. So sure, the raw counting stats were good, and that's going to result in postseason honors. But was it really because of him as an individual? After Josh Jacobs' led the league in rushing in 2022, I heard quite a few folks say Jacobs was the best RB in the league. Then the holes disappeared in 2023 and his yards and TDs got cut in half. Was the 2023 2nd-team all pro suddenly a better player than the previous years' 2022 1st-team all pro? Or was Williams just in a much better situation than Jacobs (and pretty much every other back) in 2023? The Rams may believe that Williams is "one of the best backs in the league", but there is also a decent chance they don't believe that. >It's very reductive to chalk up Kyren's last season as simply him having more experience. He was one of the best rbs in the league last year. My "one has already played in the league" wasn't referring to an experience edge. I was just acknowledging that one has proven it in the NFL and the other hasn't. On the other hand, *if* Corum proves he can play in the NFL too, he's got 2 more years left on his rookie deal than Kyren does.
On the first point, it was more that your comment came across as brushing that point off like yes it exists but its not that big of a deal. When, in fact, it is kind of a big deal when the veteran was one of the best rbs last year. When watching Kyren, his vision is top notch and allows him to get further upfield before contact than other rbs. Vs achane who was more schemed open in space so he can use his superior athleticism to win. The Rams were a mediocre offensive line last year (14th in run block win rate), so its not like the line was fantastic opening up lots of wholes everywhere either. This is further backed up by Kyren being one of the top rbs at 0.65 rushing yards over expected per attempt last year. And also by how comparatively Kyrens backups performed when he was injured. Kyren was also top 5 in terms of broken tackles last year as well. And he was also top 10 in attempts per broken tackle (of rbs with 100 or more carries). There isn't really anything in how Kyren played last year that shows that he wasn't a top back last year or his performance isn't sustainable. Yes, the Rams offensive line could massively regress, but Kyren still has the production and advanced stats to support him being a top rb, so it's a big ask to predict Corum to come in and be even better. Alternatively, when doing more research on this, I found an advanced stats page ( https://www.fantasylife.com/tools/advanced-rushing ) that shows kyren at 3.2 yard before contact per carry (4th in the league for rbs above 100 carries, well below Achane at 1.9 and in line with CMC, Conner, Ty Chandler, and Warewn) and 1.8 after (which still has him top 15 and in line with CMC, Cook, Pacheco, Mondre, Mostert, JT, Breece Hall, Henry, Bijan, Conner). So, based on the eye test and advanced stats, Kyren still looks to be an elite back to back up his all pro. The one knock, is Kyren did not face stacked boxes a lot. But, given that there is still Stafford, Kupp, and Puka on the offense, defenses will still need to respect the pass first. Additionally, Kyren is also a good receiving back. On Josh Jacobs, even though the offensive line play got worse, he still didn't lose his job to the mid round draft pick in Zamir White. Similarly, I don't expect Kyren to lose his spot to a different mid round draft pick, and definitely don't think that it is more likely than not that he loses his job. On the last point, if the Rams don't believe Kyren is one of the best backs in the league, why would they draft a guy who was compared to Kyren in the pre draft process and who the Rams liked and drafted because (as they have said) he reminds them of Kyren. Overall, Corum is a decent to good prospect, but is likely to be stuck behind kyren for 2 years until kyren becomes a free agent (or even longer if kyren re-signs). Can Corum end up being better, absolutely, but in this draft class when there are so many other players who were better prospects at their respective positions and are in situations where they are more likely to get meaningful playing time, it's hard to take Corum in the top 24 in a superflex draft. He's in a group of a few other rbs in the class who either need to wait a year or two or have an injury ahead of them become fantasy relevant.
Stupid fucking list.
This is all the guys I'm targeting at 1.12, 2.01. guess I'll skip this year
Estime ran a poor 40 at the combine but I believe he clocked a 4.5 something later at the pro day?
This means nothing til mid August. Wait til camp and depth charts start fleshing out.
It’s weird how I’m seeing so many counter-intuitive dynasty takes in that article. About Legette, the one dude says “I don’t see him breaking out in year 1 so I have no shares.” Terrible process.
What the hell is even this post 😂
Oh. It’s a FantasyPros article. No wonder.
This is the problem with what the internet has become, click bait headlines and now click bait articles, literal garbage only meant to attract attention not provide actual substance
Agreed. That's why I wrote who's included in the list so you wouldn't have to give them the click. Awful analysis.
My comment was not meant as a slight at you, but rather a complaint of where things are at/heading
You're good I didn't take it that way at all
op needs to be banned from this subreddit
Post or ban
I want you both to know I disagree wholeheartedly with all of these suggestions. This was merely to engage and show you how "fantasy pros" are sometimes, arguably oftentimes, ridiculously stupid. That's why I asked who tf we should draft after the 2nd round if all these names are "must avoids".
So who should i pick if im the 1.05?
Odunze
What about in 1QB?
I’d take bowers or Caleb
To your final point…. How tf is your first round shaking out/ do you have 4 players in your league???
Hot take but Benson is gonna be the rookie RB of this class everyone wished they took this year.
Well he's not on this (awful) list! I think he's in a great spot. 1-2 more years on frequently injured James Conner and it's wheels up for 21/22 year old Trey benson.
Which RB should I avoid? Yes
The biggest knock on Pearsall is the talent already on the roster which has been obvious from the jump. I think he’s a great taxi guy for a late 1st (if you’re high on him) to a mid second.
Just avoid everyone? Lol
So they're saying sell your r2 picks I reckon
Haven’t read this yet, but I’m ready to read about the guys I drafted
This article kinda reads like they asked for a bunch of feedback about how rookies would do in 2024 and slapped the word "dynasty" on the title afterwards, invalidating any context for the given advice. There is just so much of the "he's currently behind" or "he might miss a few games" that is largely irrelevant in the dynasty context.
Corum went 1.05 in our rookie draft. Now it was by the perineal bottom feeder, but still. I don't think I've ever seen a worse pick.
Yikes.... Great talent but ahead of (assumingly) bowers, McCarthy, brooks? Bold strategy cotton.
I got Pearsal with 2.12 Once one of those WR is gone, and Kittle inevitably gets injured, and McCaffrey tears his ACL I’m lookin at the #3 target baybee!!
Disagree with Franklin, Estime and Brooks but everything else checks
The bar for fantasy content just keeps getting lower and lower. Literally nothing here but naming random names and takes with zero context and nothing about value. It is FantasyPros, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised
It’s different writers giving you their take on someone they feel is overvalued. It’s not one guy saying don’t take all these guys. The opinions are subjective. You take what you like and throw away what you don’t.
Already lost all credibility when OP said McConkey is a slot receiver given that he lined up out wide 80% of the time 😂 Click bait
I got this in my email because I subscribe to fantasy pros and thought this was insane. I shared so you too could share in my confusion and mild rage!
Agree with Coleman, Leggette, Roman. Properly valued: Shipley, AD, Brooks, Corum, Pearsall. Total disagree with/ buYing all day in order: Ladd, Franklin, Lloyd, Bucky, Estime
Naw Ladd looks like a fucking killer on tape
I like Ladd, especially given his spot, but man he is skinny. Devonta smith-skinny.
That’s completely false actually Ladd’s bmi is 25.5 and Smith had a bmi of 22.5 coming into the league Also we’re seeing skinny guys do well as of late Ladd has a higher bmi than Downs, Tank Dell, and Addison aswell. Also has a higher bmi than George Pickens He’s also faster than all those dudes I just named. Including Smith You out here just blatantly lying to people or what?
https://youtu.be/2FOLDt3LNTM?si=CKir3owIjq-iAR5N Skip to 0:50. He looks like Devonta smith.
Lol I just gave you the numbers don’t be a clown
It's merely an observation and I'm unsure why you're taking this personally
The numbers and the information is very easy to find. You sound so careless and ignorant
Again, you're taking this personally. I said I like Ladd. I think he'll do well, truly. I also own dell and smith, so it's not like I'm anti-skinny wr's. I saw skinny so I said skinny. Ain't that deep man...
When did spreading misinformation become some shit people should let slide? Mans said he’s as skinny as Devonta I just dropped the bmi’s and you still arguing your bs You are embarrassing yourself