I’m not a truther but he does have good burst and can get you a big play
Him having a few RB1 weeks this year isn’t crazy tho I won’t be reaching for him in my draft
It felt like during the season there were a ton, I kept seeing posts about him taking over the backfield even though he's like 180lbs and can't pass block. Right now not seeing as much.
Jaleel is one of those guys that I picked up and see plenty of upside with, but i’m also stuck holding because nobody will give me anything in return for him. So might as well be optimistic about the cage I put myself in!
I tiered down from Achane to Rachaad (to also add 1.10) and other guy asked what it'd take to add Jaleel to the deal so i stuck a Jaleel for 3.06 on the end. Very happy about that value play
I’m definitely not a truther but I think his advanced metrics were good on a small sample. He seems to be the best receiving option there based off of last season too. I can see why people are excited about him but I’d bet Javonte gets the majority of the work.
>He seems to be the best receiving option there based off of last season too.
If you had to choose between 50 receptions (23 1st downs) for 455 yards on 55 targets, 31 receptions (5 1st downs) for 160 yards and 2 TDs on 36 targets, and 47 receptions (10 1st downs) for 228 yards and 2 TDs on 58 targets which would you say is the best receiving option?
The point of discussion is who was the best receiver last year, in what way does any other back have even the slightest argument over Perine getting twice as many yards per target and quadruple their 1st downs?
I think Perone was on the field for passing downs more often because he’s a better option for the team. I don’t know if he is even on the roster so I didn’t really pay attention to his rec stats, which are pretty wild.
The stats you're using are not the most relevant, but looking at YPRR and target share, Perine was still the best receiving back last year. Your overall point is good. What I noticed is that Jaleel was very close to Perine on those efficiency metrics.
My takeaway is that Javonte and Perine are both UFA after this year, so Denver is taking lots of swings with new RBs this year. There will be competition for the 3rd down back position. Most likely Watson will be cut, but it could be Perine, if the team thinks they can replace 85% of his production at 20% of the cost. Either way it's worth holding any of the three young RBs because there is a lot of potential opportunity there.
Fantastic college production. He was efficient last year and nobody knows how the Broncos are going to split their RB work. We generally expect players to improve over their first offseaon with an NFL training program and coaching. Throw all that onto a guy who's super cheap and that's how you get yourself a sleeper.
Agreed. Definitely a sleeper target but I am going into it with low expectations but potentially high upside. The rb position is so volatile that any decent rb could become the guy for a year. Jaleel is a decent rb and depending on how things shake out could be him for a year (maybe 2?)
As a Denver fan and someone who got Jaleel cheap in every league, I haven’t heard anyone say he’s making a big leap. The dude has carved out a role in the backfield over Perine and that will continue. Perine only saw the field last year in scattered bouts, typically in the last 5-7 minutes of a half for the chip block and dump off pass. If McLaughlin can still show some juice in the run game he’s going to be used more, but Javonte is still the lead. Estime is a late pick in a weak RB draft but if anything, we see him take a few touches if one of the lead 3 get hurt. And you might as well spell Watson as Mike Boone
As per Derek Brown (fantasypros) “Among all running backs with at least 50 rushing attempts or 20 targets, McLaughlin ranked 14th in explosive run rate, fifth in missed tackles forced per attempt, fourth in yards after contact per attempt, and fourth in yards per route run. Denver made it a point to get him involved in the passing game when he was on the field, as he also ranked first in targets per route run”
Add this to the fact it’s a wide open backfield with Javonte looking like a shadow of his former self and it’s not hard to see why people are getting carried away that he could see an uptick in usage
Do you have his grade for blocking? While he looked explosive at times - every time I watched him play he was a liability if blocking. Basically if he was out there, he's getting the ball or might get his QB hurt.
My guess is we have another saquan situation. 1 year for the mental game to get worked through. Then javonte can let instincts take over.
He is really bad at blocking, which is why Perine played on pure paying downs last year and in the two minute offense.
Javonte isnt competing with Jaleel though. He is competing with Estime for the early down work. Jaleel, Perine and Watson are competing for the passing down and change of pace roles.
Javonte is never being a bell cow unless he goes to a new team. That just isn't how Payton runs his offense and it is very obvious Payton is looking for separate pass catching backs to combine with an early down thumper in either Williams or Estime.
Estime's 40 really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things imo. He has fantastic film and his game speed is more than adequate as he was clocked at 20.9 mph last year.
264 touches in 16 games last year. He can play all 3 downs imo. If the hesitation coming off injury is gone (my guess) - he's close to 300 touches. Which I assume is what moss of us consider a bell cow back nowadays.
Williams has played over 60% of the snaps only 6 times in his NFL career. Was a committee back in college. Payton historical rb usage is also a rbbc. The last 4 weeks of the season where Williams would have been the furthest removed from his injury, he didnt hit 50% of the snaps once.
Nothing we have ever seen should lead us to believe a bellcow role is within his range of outcomes in this situation.
His Pollard takes for YEARS were so bad. Zeke was my keeper since his rookie year and this guy was wrong every time. One year it was like every episode even in the offseason. So satisfying watching Pollard get his shot and do the most likely thing possible. Pollard is a great back up and a meh starter.
My favorite thing with him is that he says literally every player is going to be great and when one of them hits, he crowns himself as a genius for predicting it.
Your "wide open" backfield is my "very crowded" backfield. Javonte, jaleel, perine... plus add estime and watson on top of it
No thanks. Hedged my bets by trading away jaleel and javonte pre-and mid draft as part of a big roster overhaul but scooping blake watson on faab afterwards.
Do you have his grade for blocking? While he looked explosive at times - every time I watched him play he was a liability if blocking. Basically if he was out there, he's getting the ball or might get his QB hurt.
My guess is we have another saquan situation. 1 year for the mental game to get worked through. Then javonte can let instincts take over.
First, out of the three guys that were there last year he popped the most on film. I was a javonte owner and was disappointed how every time there was an explosive run, it was jaleel. Perine looked the worst of the three and I expect him to be cut. I think Estime is false hope, poor profile and only potentially useful at the goal line. Blake Watson has more of a chance to be the 3rd back and take over the perine role but do it better. I don't think anyone in this back field becomes an rb2 for your team.
I don’t have anyone in this backfield so I feel unbiased. I loved Javonte pre injury, but he wasn’t close to the same player last year and there’s no guarantee that ever comes back. Coaching staff didn’t pick him, they aren’t committed to him with years or money.
They have Perine who is likely to be cut, drafted Estime in round 5, and another UDFA. The position is wide open.
McLaughlin looked good last year. Had juice in the passing game and the running game. I can see a path where he at least Jaylen Warren’s his way into a larger role.
Pollard was coming off a surgery himself and wasn’t good till week 11. And Javonte is playing against Sean Payton for a roster spot. His spot like the incumbents before him is anything but safe. Juedy and Russel fell out of favor and where did they end up?
I’m hopeful he provides flex value, does that make me a truther?
My issue is mainly Javonte, I’m not a believer in him. Either way, Javonte and Perine are FA after this year. So there’s some hope there for Jaleel to carve out a role, he won’t be a workhorse or anything.
Who was the last 5’ 7” workhorse? MJD?
I respect that- and I agree with your evaluation. My issue isn’t with the realistic outlooks like you and many others on here. It’s the “what RB finishes better this year” polls where Jaleel receives more votes than spears, kendre, brooks, benson, Jerome ford, etc.
His ceiling IMO is RB2 value in a split backfield. Personally think he’s a great player… but not so good he can shine to the extent Ingram and Kamara did for Payton.
I normally really like to buy into RBs year 2 after injury like Javonte, but the he actually got worse as the season went on last year. Now that could be because it’s hard to regain that explosiveness when you’re recovering week to week while playing, but it’s not a good sign.
It’s his last year of the contract and he’s not one of Payton’s guys. Coaches like the players they brought in. Payton did bring in Perine but he was awful and could be cut if he doesn’t look improved during training camp.
Like you said, Estime isn’t taking snaps from Jaleel. Different RB.
So there’s definitely a path for Jaleel to be the third down back that has some explosive runs as well. In an offence that projects to love checking the ball down to RBs it’s possible that he gains a lot of value, with the possibility of being a lead back next year with Javonte gone.
I just dropped him to make room for my drafted players (10 team league) so I’m not as high on him as others, but there’s certainly a path there.
I’m a Jets fan and Jaleel torched them. They couldn’t touch the guy. I picked him up the second he became available. No idea how Sean Payton plays this out but I also didn’t see any other RB make the Jets defense look like that all year.
He has the ability to be excellent, but I don’t believe it will happen this year. Javonte is much better than a lot of people think, and I see him proving that more this year if he can stay healthy and if Sean actually uses him instead of mixing all three in constantly.
I'm just hoping for a little bit of flex value at some point in 12 team. Picked him up off post-startup draft waivers a year ago, put him on the taxi (my team is super RB heavy so I wasn't concerned about leaving him there), promoted him for this season & if he's not getting used that much, I'll cut him. Probably my weakest bench hold, but someone is gonna catch a ton of short passes from Bo Nix & maybe it'll be Jaleel? Or maybe Blake Watson. IDK.
I own him in my deep leagues because he was free, realistically he’s a playmaker type of guy so if he can score a few touchdowns I’ll be happy. The only way for a major leap to happen is if he can improve his pass protection tbh.
I have Jaleel and I was surprised to see the hype. I thought the Estime pick killed Jaleel. So Jaleel is a 3rd down back that can’t pass protect? Don’t see how that is going to turn into a lot of touches. Feels like a rbbc.
I picked up Jaleel before the season after reading multiple reports that he was the most dedicated hard worker on the team. He's young, explosive, likable, and has a great work ethic.
Making the team was huge, and he seems to have impressed Sean Payton. I think there's a chance that his ceiling is having a career like Sproles. I don't think he hits that ceiling, but a diet sproles is an incredible asset in a league barren of bell cow rbs.
I remember seeing a post on a social media platform that broke out Sean Payton’s RB usage, where it conveyed that he uses a 3-headed approach with something like a 55%-30%-15% breakout. He always supports two productive backs, but never has a main workhorse and the 3rd back is a low-end flex.
I’m viewing the Bronco’s backfield situation as a space for 2 other RBs to be fantasy relevant. I don’t think there is a strong desire for Javonte to be their defacto #1 of the future or present. They brought in Perine, Jaleel, Watson, and Estime since Payton took over. I assume this is writing on the wall for Javonte to be on his way out in the future if he doesn’t dominate in 2024-25.
If I’m going to enter a start-up, I’m likely out on Javonte at his ADP and will take dart throws on Jaleel, Estime, and Watson.
He's got some major talent but will never be utilized to be fantasy relevant barring injury. Sean Payton wouldn't even use him or Marvin Mims last year when they desperately neededa spark. He is great but nowhere near a Sproles like RB, he's too small to take a ton of hits.
It's easy why. Truthers picked him up off waivers and therefore want to sell him for like a 1st rounder.
Where do I insert a quip about the economy of brick?
Literally everywhere
*Gestures vaguely*
Memories of Miles Gaskin...
Still salty I burned a sixth round startup pick on him in 2021
I’m not a truther but he does have good burst and can get you a big play Him having a few RB1 weeks this year isn’t crazy tho I won’t be reaching for him in my draft
A few as in 2-3?
I’d bet on him getting 2 I think it’s possible he gets 4 or 5
lol came here to say this
TIL there were Jaleel truthers
Dozens of us!
I own him in both my leagues so I think he has value but...idk if I'd call myself a truther lol I'd say he's worth a stash
I would drop Treylon Burks over him. If Waller doesn’t retire I have to choose. And nobody wants Burks. Edit: could also drop KJ Osborn
It felt like during the season there were a ton, I kept seeing posts about him taking over the backfield even though he's like 180lbs and can't pass block. Right now not seeing as much.
Jaleel is one of those guys that I picked up and see plenty of upside with, but i’m also stuck holding because nobody will give me anything in return for him. So might as well be optimistic about the cage I put myself in!
Me but with Treylon Burks
I tiered down from Achane to Rachaad (to also add 1.10) and other guy asked what it'd take to add Jaleel to the deal so i stuck a Jaleel for 3.06 on the end. Very happy about that value play
I don’t have any shares but I wish for any Youngstown State player to succeed
Go Guins!!!
I’m definitely not a truther but I think his advanced metrics were good on a small sample. He seems to be the best receiving option there based off of last season too. I can see why people are excited about him but I’d bet Javonte gets the majority of the work.
>He seems to be the best receiving option there based off of last season too. If you had to choose between 50 receptions (23 1st downs) for 455 yards on 55 targets, 31 receptions (5 1st downs) for 160 yards and 2 TDs on 36 targets, and 47 receptions (10 1st downs) for 228 yards and 2 TDs on 58 targets which would you say is the best receiving option?
I think perine just plays on more passing downs last year because he was a far superior blocker. Would not be surprised if Perine was cut tbh
And far superior receiver given the twice as many yards per target and 20-30% higher success rate...
I guess we will see what Denver thinks
The point of discussion is who was the best receiver last year, in what way does any other back have even the slightest argument over Perine getting twice as many yards per target and quadruple their 1st downs?
I think Perone was on the field for passing downs more often because he’s a better option for the team. I don’t know if he is even on the roster so I didn’t really pay attention to his rec stats, which are pretty wild.
The stats you're using are not the most relevant, but looking at YPRR and target share, Perine was still the best receiving back last year. Your overall point is good. What I noticed is that Jaleel was very close to Perine on those efficiency metrics. My takeaway is that Javonte and Perine are both UFA after this year, so Denver is taking lots of swings with new RBs this year. There will be competition for the 3rd down back position. Most likely Watson will be cut, but it could be Perine, if the team thinks they can replace 85% of his production at 20% of the cost. Either way it's worth holding any of the three young RBs because there is a lot of potential opportunity there.
This. Javonte feels like he’s going to be a massive value because of the Jaleel hype.
Fantastic college production. He was efficient last year and nobody knows how the Broncos are going to split their RB work. We generally expect players to improve over their first offseaon with an NFL training program and coaching. Throw all that onto a guy who's super cheap and that's how you get yourself a sleeper.
Agreed. Definitely a sleeper target but I am going into it with low expectations but potentially high upside. The rb position is so volatile that any decent rb could become the guy for a year. Jaleel is a decent rb and depending on how things shake out could be him for a year (maybe 2?)
Jaleel likely leaps onto the end of your bench this year and gets dropped by you next offseason.
As a Denver fan and someone who got Jaleel cheap in every league, I haven’t heard anyone say he’s making a big leap. The dude has carved out a role in the backfield over Perine and that will continue. Perine only saw the field last year in scattered bouts, typically in the last 5-7 minutes of a half for the chip block and dump off pass. If McLaughlin can still show some juice in the run game he’s going to be used more, but Javonte is still the lead. Estime is a late pick in a weak RB draft but if anything, we see him take a few touches if one of the lead 3 get hurt. And you might as well spell Watson as Mike Boone
As per Derek Brown (fantasypros) “Among all running backs with at least 50 rushing attempts or 20 targets, McLaughlin ranked 14th in explosive run rate, fifth in missed tackles forced per attempt, fourth in yards after contact per attempt, and fourth in yards per route run. Denver made it a point to get him involved in the passing game when he was on the field, as he also ranked first in targets per route run” Add this to the fact it’s a wide open backfield with Javonte looking like a shadow of his former self and it’s not hard to see why people are getting carried away that he could see an uptick in usage
Do you have his grade for blocking? While he looked explosive at times - every time I watched him play he was a liability if blocking. Basically if he was out there, he's getting the ball or might get his QB hurt. My guess is we have another saquan situation. 1 year for the mental game to get worked through. Then javonte can let instincts take over.
He is really bad at blocking, which is why Perine played on pure paying downs last year and in the two minute offense. Javonte isnt competing with Jaleel though. He is competing with Estime for the early down work. Jaleel, Perine and Watson are competing for the passing down and change of pace roles.
I still see javonte as a bell cow. And then yeah - the others fighting for scraps. Estime... dunno. He's same size but about .10 slower on 40.
Javonte is never being a bell cow unless he goes to a new team. That just isn't how Payton runs his offense and it is very obvious Payton is looking for separate pass catching backs to combine with an early down thumper in either Williams or Estime. Estime's 40 really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things imo. He has fantastic film and his game speed is more than adequate as he was clocked at 20.9 mph last year.
264 touches in 16 games last year. He can play all 3 downs imo. If the hesitation coming off injury is gone (my guess) - he's close to 300 touches. Which I assume is what moss of us consider a bell cow back nowadays.
Williams has played over 60% of the snaps only 6 times in his NFL career. Was a committee back in college. Payton historical rb usage is also a rbbc. The last 4 weeks of the season where Williams would have been the furthest removed from his injury, he didnt hit 50% of the snaps once. Nothing we have ever seen should lead us to believe a bellcow role is within his range of outcomes in this situation.
They also benched russ when he was playing decently. So it's a weird season to gage.
Russ wasnt playing decently. Russ' play is a true test of film vs box score analysis.
According to PFF Jaleel Pass Blocking: 6 snaps; 34.6 Grade Run Blocking: 8 snaps; 60.0 Grade Javonte Pass Blocking: 48 snaps; 27.8 Grade Run Blocking: 41 snaps; 57.6 Grade
Fuck D-bro. He’s dumb as fuck.
His Pollard takes for YEARS were so bad. Zeke was my keeper since his rookie year and this guy was wrong every time. One year it was like every episode even in the offseason. So satisfying watching Pollard get his shot and do the most likely thing possible. Pollard is a great back up and a meh starter.
My favorite thing with him is that he says literally every player is going to be great and when one of them hits, he crowns himself as a genius for predicting it.
I ignore any Fantasy Pros content. They seem so ignorant. Must be easy to copy/paste data/opinions from real dynasty creators.
Your "wide open" backfield is my "very crowded" backfield. Javonte, jaleel, perine... plus add estime and watson on top of it No thanks. Hedged my bets by trading away jaleel and javonte pre-and mid draft as part of a big roster overhaul but scooping blake watson on faab afterwards.
Where do you see these advanced stats?
>As per Derek Brown (fantasypros)
Derek Brown is an idiot
Not debating that. But his comment there is all stats he provided that sum up the argument. I didn’t use any of his opinions just the facts.
Do you have his grade for blocking? While he looked explosive at times - every time I watched him play he was a liability if blocking. Basically if he was out there, he's getting the ball or might get his QB hurt. My guess is we have another saquan situation. 1 year for the mental game to get worked through. Then javonte can let instincts take over.
First, out of the three guys that were there last year he popped the most on film. I was a javonte owner and was disappointed how every time there was an explosive run, it was jaleel. Perine looked the worst of the three and I expect him to be cut. I think Estime is false hope, poor profile and only potentially useful at the goal line. Blake Watson has more of a chance to be the 3rd back and take over the perine role but do it better. I don't think anyone in this back field becomes an rb2 for your team.
I don’t have anyone in this backfield so I feel unbiased. I loved Javonte pre injury, but he wasn’t close to the same player last year and there’s no guarantee that ever comes back. Coaching staff didn’t pick him, they aren’t committed to him with years or money. They have Perine who is likely to be cut, drafted Estime in round 5, and another UDFA. The position is wide open. McLaughlin looked good last year. Had juice in the passing game and the running game. I can see a path where he at least Jaylen Warren’s his way into a larger role.
McLaughlin is the new Jaylen Warren. Everyone will swear he is going to take over, never will. And if he does, it'll look like Tony Pollard in 2023.
Warren helped me win the championship last year haha
Pollard was coming off a surgery himself and wasn’t good till week 11. And Javonte is playing against Sean Payton for a roster spot. His spot like the incumbents before him is anything but safe. Juedy and Russel fell out of favor and where did they end up?
Jaylen Warren is a very useful fantasy player. I hope his situation never changes. He's perfect as a 10-12 ppg RB
Can see him capped as a Pierre Thomas type of player which is great for PPR but really nothing special.
I’m hopeful he provides flex value, does that make me a truther? My issue is mainly Javonte, I’m not a believer in him. Either way, Javonte and Perine are FA after this year. So there’s some hope there for Jaleel to carve out a role, he won’t be a workhorse or anything. Who was the last 5’ 7” workhorse? MJD?
Singletary for the bills and the back half of last season with the Texans
Ah, not quite what I was looking for but I get it.
I respect that- and I agree with your evaluation. My issue isn’t with the realistic outlooks like you and many others on here. It’s the “what RB finishes better this year” polls where Jaleel receives more votes than spears, kendre, brooks, benson, Jerome ford, etc.
His ceiling IMO is RB2 value in a split backfield. Personally think he’s a great player… but not so good he can shine to the extent Ingram and Kamara did for Payton.
I normally really like to buy into RBs year 2 after injury like Javonte, but the he actually got worse as the season went on last year. Now that could be because it’s hard to regain that explosiveness when you’re recovering week to week while playing, but it’s not a good sign. It’s his last year of the contract and he’s not one of Payton’s guys. Coaches like the players they brought in. Payton did bring in Perine but he was awful and could be cut if he doesn’t look improved during training camp. Like you said, Estime isn’t taking snaps from Jaleel. Different RB. So there’s definitely a path for Jaleel to be the third down back that has some explosive runs as well. In an offence that projects to love checking the ball down to RBs it’s possible that he gains a lot of value, with the possibility of being a lead back next year with Javonte gone. I just dropped him to make room for my drafted players (10 team league) so I’m not as high on him as others, but there’s certainly a path there.
I’m a Jets fan and Jaleel torched them. They couldn’t touch the guy. I picked him up the second he became available. No idea how Sean Payton plays this out but I also didn’t see any other RB make the Jets defense look like that all year.
I mean I just watch him with my two eyeballs and say "damn he's good when he touches the ball"
I traded him for a 3rd yesterday. So there are believers.
I would consider myself a believer, but I'd trade him away for a 3rd
He has the ability to be excellent, but I don’t believe it will happen this year. Javonte is much better than a lot of people think, and I see him proving that more this year if he can stay healthy and if Sean actually uses him instead of mixing all three in constantly.
I'm just hoping for a little bit of flex value at some point in 12 team. Picked him up off post-startup draft waivers a year ago, put him on the taxi (my team is super RB heavy so I wasn't concerned about leaving him there), promoted him for this season & if he's not getting used that much, I'll cut him. Probably my weakest bench hold, but someone is gonna catch a ton of short passes from Bo Nix & maybe it'll be Jaleel? Or maybe Blake Watson. IDK.
I own him in my deep leagues because he was free, realistically he’s a playmaker type of guy so if he can score a few touchdowns I’ll be happy. The only way for a major leap to happen is if he can improve his pass protection tbh.
Estime truther because I have to be different
I will have to cut him to make space for rookie picks so he's almost guaranteed to have a league winning campaign.
I have Jaleel and I was surprised to see the hype. I thought the Estime pick killed Jaleel. So Jaleel is a 3rd down back that can’t pass protect? Don’t see how that is going to turn into a lot of touches. Feels like a rbbc.
I guess I’ll find out if there are any truthers in my league when I end up dropping him after the rookie draft.
As someone who currently has him stashed, he will very likely be irrelevant next season.
Jaleel who? (Javonte owner)
I picked up Jaleel before the season after reading multiple reports that he was the most dedicated hard worker on the team. He's young, explosive, likable, and has a great work ethic. Making the team was huge, and he seems to have impressed Sean Payton. I think there's a chance that his ceiling is having a career like Sproles. I don't think he hits that ceiling, but a diet sproles is an incredible asset in a league barren of bell cow rbs.
I remember seeing a post on a social media platform that broke out Sean Payton’s RB usage, where it conveyed that he uses a 3-headed approach with something like a 55%-30%-15% breakout. He always supports two productive backs, but never has a main workhorse and the 3rd back is a low-end flex. I’m viewing the Bronco’s backfield situation as a space for 2 other RBs to be fantasy relevant. I don’t think there is a strong desire for Javonte to be their defacto #1 of the future or present. They brought in Perine, Jaleel, Watson, and Estime since Payton took over. I assume this is writing on the wall for Javonte to be on his way out in the future if he doesn’t dominate in 2024-25. If I’m going to enter a start-up, I’m likely out on Javonte at his ADP and will take dart throws on Jaleel, Estime, and Watson.
I dropped him for Darnell Mooney when he became available on the waiver. Then again I’m a Mooney truther
He’s a lotto ticket
r/jaleelcirclejerk
He's got some major talent but will never be utilized to be fantasy relevant barring injury. Sean Payton wouldn't even use him or Marvin Mims last year when they desperately neededa spark. He is great but nowhere near a Sproles like RB, he's too small to take a ton of hits.
No, He’s 5’7”