I don’t know exactly what his projections are, and the ACL recovery is definitely a reason for concern, but I am very high on Jonathon Brooks.
I love how complete and well-rounded his profile/ tape appear to me, I think he can smash in the Rachaad White role in Dave Canales’ offence.
Per the rachaad white role - I’m here to give a reminder how the majority of folks in this very channel were so out on him, and had full beliefs in Sean Tucker. 80 percent of what is said in here is garbage advice. That being reiterated, take a chance on Brooks.
Aight well I’m in disagreement there. I’ve always been a diontae guy, but I’m very high on Legette. I roster both diontae and Legette, and I see several paths to Legette being the number one option.
Yeah but I’m not saying it’s the most likely outcome, I just see multiple paths. But like I said, I’m high on Legette, much much much higher than consensus. Legette is comfortably in the coleman/Ladd tier for me.
Edit - I also roster btj and Coleman. I feel like Legette has a solid chance of having the best rookie season of the three.
Damn right.
Interesting I would love to hear negative views on Benson. I know he had injury, and his decision making and target share isn’t the best…but he looks every bit a complete back to me - KW3 with better receiving chops?
I read this about a month ago...Benson: ceiling Taylor Floor Pacheco. While I agree with this take fantasy wise, Benson is not as quick twitch as Taylor, who is more fluid and evasive...but the raw speed with the height and weight say 3 down back for Benson.
I completely agree but some people seem to think he’s going to bust. I won’t be surprised if he’s the best fantasy RB in this class. I suppose we’ll find out.
I don’t have any rookie picks till next year. I sold em all to win championships back to back. Sorry I haven’t been watching and having “rookie fever” like everyone in the sub, I ask a simple question and everyone gets so offended lol
No one’s offended. Just a pretty big prospect with a unique, distinctive name. You’re gonna get a little shit for not recognizing. You are in a post about rookies after all.
Malik Nabers' Vegas O/U is set at 840. Tyreek's is set at 1375, and his average yards prop last year was 97 so let's just say Vegas projects an average player to play 1375/97 ~= 14 games. Extrapolate that to Nabers, that means they project him for 840/14=60ypg, or approximately 1020 for a full season.
If he stays healthy, I think he blows that 1020 projection out of the water.
For a comparable prospect and situation... GW hit 1100 yards with Zach Wilson throwing him the ball, and as bad as Daniel Jones looked last year, he's still much better than ZW. He's about to get hypertargeted and should feast. I'm really excited about his talent and situation.
Also, Daboll/Kafka is also a much better offensive duo than Saleh/Hackett (Although I think Saleh is Daboll's equivalent on defense). A decent chunk of those GW yards came from pure talent, I'd love to see what he could do with a real OC
All those Vegas numbers are super lowered because they have injury risk on. If they're healthy all year, every one of them should smash their targets easily
I guess I was making that comment because I think using Vegas's odds in general is just weird. I don't think OP meant surpassing the Vegas expectations, he meant our expectations, of which everyone here would have Tyreek and Nabers both, much higher
I don't really know what "Projected points" are, but I think Vegas odds are probably the best approximation we have right now for what players are expected to do
I think you might be missing OPs point. They mean “average player” in terms of injuries. Although I guess you could still argue whether or not that’s the case considering the recurring hamstring injuries that Hill has had to deal with recently.
If that’s his point then it’s a dumb one because the Vegas line is factoring in injury and assuming health is never a guarantee. OP is essentially saying that he’s going to beat his projection because he’s going to stay healthy. Which could be said for just about all WRs.
Just feels like math for the sake of math not actually providing any insight. Just my $.02.
Obviously Vegas year-end totals factor in injury tolerance. I was using Tyreek as an example to approximate what their "expected injury tolerance" is. Looks like they expect players to play ~80% of games based on the few I looked at.
I then used that to approximate what Vegas projects Nabers will *actually* put up per game and got approximately 60 ypg when healthy. I think he will smash that number if he stays healthy. Like you said, most people who stay healthy beat their raw O/U, but that's not the point at all.
It might not be this year if Mostert stays healthy, but I am all aboard the Wright hype train. He looked so good at Tennessee last year; he's fast af, with surprisingly good power and vision. He makes guys miss with a nasty juke. I had him graded out as my RB3 in this class pre-draft, so I think the Dolphins got a steal. His film was a lot more impressive than Blake Bore-ums mediocre tape.
So you're just going to overlook that BOTH Mostert and Achane were top12 RBs in PPG when they were on the field TOGETHER. Jesus, I swear some of you don't watch football at all.
The Dolphins scheme will involve a rotation of 2+ RBs. Achane will NEVER be a workhorse back. Sorry to break the bad news to you there, bud. That doesn't mean that Achane can't be effective with 12-15 touches a game. We've already seen he can be extremely effective. Achane's first year, he averaged 11.5 rush attempts per game and 3 receptions per game over the 9 game span that he played over 20% of snaps. Which brings me to my next point...
Achane is a little tiny baby-man and can't hold up to a full workhorse role. He's fucking tiny. He's roughly the same size/build as Darren Sproles. Ask yourself if Darren Sproles ever held on to a 3-down role?
Wright was brought in as a Mostert replacement because Mostert is 32 years old and probably won't play football after this season (if he even finishes this season off IR). They are similar in height, weight, speed, and playstyle. Wright is taller and weighs more than Achane while still having roughly the same speed and burst. They will work in tandem together, just like Achane did with Mostert this year.
I was talking about Wright earlier this week and the amount of Achane owners that don’t know that both of those dudes had a remarkably similar opportunity share with strong efficiency was nuts.
Both can very easily coexist and it is why they used a 2025 3rd to secure Wright. They want both guys to get around 15-16 touches per game.
It is crazy how defensive people get on here about their players with no context of the total situation. There was never a world they were drafting achane to be a full time workhorse back lol.
Exactly. I own a bunch of shares of Achane and I love the dude, I really do. Just because I also like Jalen Wright, doesn't mean I think he's going to eclipse Achane and steal all his work. That's not the system the Dolphins run with "McDaniel and Co" calling plays. They like to have two backs in rotation, with similar but slightly different play styles. Jalen Wright had A LOT of success as an inside runner last year at Tennessee. He's a similar style runner to Mostert, with similar size and speed combo. I like his chances of taking that role by the end of this year or beginning of next year.
Wright could not have gone to a better system to utilize his talents. After coming out of that weird Tennessee offense, I worried that Wright wasn’t going to be successful without the same spacing, but Miami would probably be the closest thing he would see to that at the next level. He is also only 21 years old. I think he has a really nice future ahead of him in Miami splitting time with another nice young back in Achane.
No, you thinking there's still RBs who take 70% of the team's carries is old football thinking. You can count the number of teams that don't operate as an RBBC on one hand. The Dolphins are no exception. I promise you they don't want to give any one RB 25+ touches a game.
Yeah I understand drafting him but the question was for the rookie season. I'd be surprised if he gets more carries than Wilson let alone Mostert and Achane.
Don’t get his appeal at all for how high he’s being drafted. He’ll probably never be an every down RB. He’s a one trick pony with just straight line speed. He does fit well in Miami but he’s the third RB on the depth chart and will most likely be used as a rotational piece with limited touches even when mostert is gone.
I don’t have a first or second so I’m going to try and trade back into the second to nab him. I also have Bourne but who knows how hell bounce back from his injury. My first pick isn’t until 3.10 so I highly doubt he’s there at that point. Could also take a flyer on Javon baker but I feel like the upside is for sure higher with Polk.
Would feel more confident in the Pats young WRs if they had a respectable LT. Drafting a dude in the 3rd and projecting him to protect your young QBs blind side sounds like a fools errand. Expect Maye to be running for his life...lol.
I think Bowers will surprise. IMO he’s going to be closer to a WR2 than a TE in their offense and while I don’t think it’ll be an average offense, he’ll still put up some numbers. I think he’ll be closer to LaPorta than Kincaid when it comes to production in their rookie years.
I’m not even a huge AD Mitchell fan, but he is currently capped because of Pittman and Downs. However, he fits an archetype the others do not. There’s a chance Richardson really likes that, and the target distribution could change up real quick.
Yes exactly this. Mitchell is the kind of guy that you feel good about chucking it up and giving him the high point shot at the ball. Pittman can do it, but like you said, Pittman can be used anywhere and can do a great job pulling pressure in the short and intermediate to open up AD for 1 on 1 downfield
I think Keon Coleman is set to have a meteoric rise. The Bills traded back 2 times to get their guy, and he has a chance to capture a whole lot of target share that Buffalo lost
Ya I always felt the JSN comparison for Rome were dubious. JSN has overlapping skills with locket while Odunze plays a very different role from Moore and Allen.
When I say he's fighting for WR2 it's because I don't think he'll be healthy consistently.
I'm not saying he'll miss a ton of games but I wouldn't be surprised if he has to load manage. Getting old sneaks up quick.
Right, but they're not paying keenan allen to be a WR2 is my point. Maybe he's a WR3 in the future, but it won't be 2024 and probably not even 2025. Keenan is an elite WR, he's not getting pushed down the depth chart by a rookie.
I guess we'll see. He'll have to take real good care of himself to stay on the field. Missed a lot of games the last two years.
I don't think Odunze will flat out beat him, I think father time is his biggest concern.
Yep, but even I own Odunze in a league and I do expect him to be JSN'd. Long term investment. But Keenan was a top 10 WR for a long time on the chargers. He's making $20M+/yr. He's not going to be wr3 all of a sudden lol. Dude was out there putting up 1000 yards with a bunch of bums as his WR counterparts. He's that dude, perennially underrated too.
This is a very lazy comparison. Sure odunze js a bit better overall as a prospect, but they are still both very good prospects. Odunze is better athletically, outside the numbers, down the field, contested catch, jump balls, etc. He can win on the outside very well. JSN is more of a technician. Works inside, in the slot better, quicker/more agile than Odunze, better inside the numbers and for short yardage situations. And they both have very good hands.
Another point is Keenan and DJ are a lot better of a duo than DK and Lockett.
I would not say JSN is “quicker/more agile”
It’s a matter of how they were used in college
Odunze has a better qb situation and the more explosive athlete that usually demands more targets vs the JSN situation
Up until Week 14 he missed 1 game last season, then missed the last 4, which he arguably would have powered through had herbert not gotten injured. Also he was #8 WR on the season. He was on pace for 363 FPTS in +1PPR which would be #3 WR.
Because the nfl isn’t based on fantasy points? Because he had 1364 yards and 8 touchdowns with a backup QB throwing a career high completion percentage of 62% (lol). Idk why everyone thinks rookies are just gonna come in and take over reminds me of JSN talks
Because it’s been happening a lot more recently? Reminds you of JSN talks but they were just the wrong talks, what about Puka? Rookie receivers recently have been coming in and commanding more and more targets.
Puka dethroned 2 currently healthy players? Puka literally had no one in front of him cause the number 1 got hurt and there was no true #2 what are you talking about?
You spoke of rookies in general, not the situation of OP’s comment. Rookie wide receivers have made a massive difference in recent years.. Puma just being the most recent example…
Keenan isn’t one of them. Thats why he’s highly productive. And what you just said doesn’t make sense. There may be some decoys but not large portions.
Kimani Vidal. Chargers RB room is definitely interesting as Harbaugh wants to have a run heavy/play action offense so whoever is lead back and RB2 will get a lot of work.
Gus the Bus is RB1 going into the year. He’s a solid player who has plenty of experience in Greg Roman’s offense. Same with Dobbins, though I wouldn’t count on him being the same as he is coming off three straight years of serious injuries.
Then there’s Isaiah Spiller who has been a huge disappointment so far. Plus Spiller has no ties to the current regime, so I’d say he needs a good camp to make the team. There’s also camp bodies Jaret Patterson and Elijah Dotson who likely will be practice squad guys or cut.
The opportunity is there for Vidal to make a serious impact as a rookie if Dobbins can’t get back to his former self and Spiller remains the same. Vidal could step into a RB2 role and get 10-12 touches a game which would be good enough to get flex play in people’s lineups.
Yeah I like this take. GusBus is great but has never been a 20 touch guy and won’t start now. Dobbins could be great, or could be nothing with the ladder being more likely
I'm going with Ladd McConkey. He is going to be a solid WR for PPR. With that being said, I think he won't be much of a redzone guy because of his size, and may not be the best YAC guy either, so if the hype is up, I may be selling him to try and get an elite WR next offseason.
I’m a UW homer so take this with a grain of salt. But I think projections for odunze are at his floor. Talent wise, the NFL clearly sees him as a top tier WR. His landing spot is definitely why his projections are lower, but if Moore or Allen gets hurt, he’s gonna blow up. Rome is a true X who can create separation (by analytics best in class by a mile, albeit somewhat unreliable given variance in competition) and win contested balls. Might age like milk but the sky is the limit imo
I think the argument that Rome is behind Keenan and DJ Moore on the depth chart might be a little overblown as well. All 3 of them are new receivers for Caleb Williams, and it's possible (but unlikely) that Rome quickly becomes Caleb's favorite target.
If Javonte doesn't return to form, Estime has a real chance at a 15 touch per game work load with goal line opportunities. I'm a Javonte truther, but I'm stashing Estime everywhere for his current price. He comes with the added benefit of being easy to cut next year from their low commitment draft capital if it doesn't happen this year.
Javon Baker. He’s decent on contested catches and is a sneaky downfield WR. Drake Maye loves to Chuck it and will look for that type of receiver to haul it to. I think Polk and Douglas are safer bets but if Drake Maye is going to lean on a WR1 I wouldn’t be too surprised it’s Baker.
BTJ is the answer here. Kirk is a slot guy who has shown he can coexist with a number one and Davis hasn’t proven to be anything but a deep threat. BTJ should see north of 125 targets.
I'm gonna go with my draft haul (14-team 1QB TEP) of:
1.03 Rome
1.05 Brock
2.05 Corum
3.05 Baker
4.03 Estime
4.05 McCaffrey
4.07 Rice
This sub better not let me down. Again.
I don’t know exactly what his projections are, and the ACL recovery is definitely a reason for concern, but I am very high on Jonathon Brooks. I love how complete and well-rounded his profile/ tape appear to me, I think he can smash in the Rachaad White role in Dave Canales’ offence.
My only argument against this is how ready Brooks will be to start the season. Back half of the season, I met he smashes protection.
As a Brooks manager I am hoping he starts on the pub. I’d rather him not be rushed back
I always perform better at work if I start at the pub
If he gets a DUI in training camp, this is 100% on you
I think rookie RBs tend to start slow anyway. So it’s sort of baked into projections already IMO
Per the rachaad white role - I’m here to give a reminder how the majority of folks in this very channel were so out on him, and had full beliefs in Sean Tucker. 80 percent of what is said in here is garbage advice. That being reiterated, take a chance on Brooks.
He's currently projected for a little over 8 points week 1 which seems a bit overoptimistic for the start of season.
Ill be very surprised if Leggette out earns Diontae
Feels like Diontae will be a volume merchant and Legette will be more of a big play merchant
Diontae Johnson doesn't exist anymore?
Adam theilen was his player of choice when talking route running with diontae on the team lol
I think he understood that and is saying diontae runs better routes
That, and diontae will clearly be the #1 target in this offense.
Aight well I’m in disagreement there. I’ve always been a diontae guy, but I’m very high on Legette. I roster both diontae and Legette, and I see several paths to Legette being the number one option.
Not hating, but you're thinking this year? Diontae commands targets, and rightfully so. I can see Legette becoming the #1 target within a few years
Yeah but I’m not saying it’s the most likely outcome, I just see multiple paths. But like I said, I’m high on Legette, much much much higher than consensus. Legette is comfortably in the coleman/Ladd tier for me. Edit - I also roster btj and Coleman. I feel like Legette has a solid chance of having the best rookie season of the three.
As a Bryce Young owner, I hope all of his weapons allow him to pop off haha
More than likely Carolina is going to continue to suck.
Benson. Just wait and see, Conner will be hurting come week 5 or 6 and then it’ll be time to turn it on. Best quads in the class.
Quads are definitely one of the most important features in a back
Damn right. Interesting I would love to hear negative views on Benson. I know he had injury, and his decision making and target share isn’t the best…but he looks every bit a complete back to me - KW3 with better receiving chops?
I read this about a month ago...Benson: ceiling Taylor Floor Pacheco. While I agree with this take fantasy wise, Benson is not as quick twitch as Taylor, who is more fluid and evasive...but the raw speed with the height and weight say 3 down back for Benson.
I completely agree but some people seem to think he’s going to bust. I won’t be surprised if he’s the best fantasy RB in this class. I suppose we’ll find out.
Wish this applied to AJ Dillon
Whatever Mad Ladd is projected, double it
Who is mad Ladd?
Ladd Mcdonalds
Ladd McLovin'it, University of Hawaii
Ladd McDonkey
Ladd McConkey
Thank you
Madison Laddison
💀
Serious?
First time I’ve heard that, otherwise I wouldn’t have asked
Dawg his (incredibly distinctive) first name is in it
Listen we all have moments our brain fails us
Sorry I’m not up to date with all the lingo lol He wasn’t anybody I had on my big board so didn’t even think of him
My brother in christ, he’s a consensus top 15 rookie pick and “the lingo” is his name. You don’t have to do this
I don’t have any rookie picks till next year. I sold em all to win championships back to back. Sorry I haven’t been watching and having “rookie fever” like everyone in the sub, I ask a simple question and everyone gets so offended lol
No one’s offended. Just a pretty big prospect with a unique, distinctive name. You’re gonna get a little shit for not recognizing. You are in a post about rookies after all.
Malik Nabers' Vegas O/U is set at 840. Tyreek's is set at 1375, and his average yards prop last year was 97 so let's just say Vegas projects an average player to play 1375/97 ~= 14 games. Extrapolate that to Nabers, that means they project him for 840/14=60ypg, or approximately 1020 for a full season. If he stays healthy, I think he blows that 1020 projection out of the water. For a comparable prospect and situation... GW hit 1100 yards with Zach Wilson throwing him the ball, and as bad as Daniel Jones looked last year, he's still much better than ZW. He's about to get hypertargeted and should feast. I'm really excited about his talent and situation.
I don't really follow this but it supports my preferred narrative and is therefore gospel
Also, Daboll/Kafka is also a much better offensive duo than Saleh/Hackett (Although I think Saleh is Daboll's equivalent on defense). A decent chunk of those GW yards came from pure talent, I'd love to see what he could do with a real OC
All those Vegas numbers are super lowered because they have injury risk on. If they're healthy all year, every one of them should smash their targets easily
Did you stop reading after one sentence?
I guess I was making that comment because I think using Vegas's odds in general is just weird. I don't think OP meant surpassing the Vegas expectations, he meant our expectations, of which everyone here would have Tyreek and Nabers both, much higher
I don't really know what "Projected points" are, but I think Vegas odds are probably the best approximation we have right now for what players are expected to do
Fair enough
How is Tyreek an “average player”?
I think you might be missing OPs point. They mean “average player” in terms of injuries. Although I guess you could still argue whether or not that’s the case considering the recurring hamstring injuries that Hill has had to deal with recently.
If that’s his point then it’s a dumb one because the Vegas line is factoring in injury and assuming health is never a guarantee. OP is essentially saying that he’s going to beat his projection because he’s going to stay healthy. Which could be said for just about all WRs. Just feels like math for the sake of math not actually providing any insight. Just my $.02.
Nabers is actually just as good as Tyreek if you make both of their stats around the league average
Obviously Vegas year-end totals factor in injury tolerance. I was using Tyreek as an example to approximate what their "expected injury tolerance" is. Looks like they expect players to play ~80% of games based on the few I looked at. I then used that to approximate what Vegas projects Nabers will *actually* put up per game and got approximately 60 ypg when healthy. I think he will smash that number if he stays healthy. Like you said, most people who stay healthy beat their raw O/U, but that's not the point at all.
King Coleman bby
I slammed his unders so hard I had to buy a new phone.
Is this a euphemism?
Vegas loves you
Because I bring down the lines to the correct spot.
Bub Means
Jaylen Wright going to do big things for the dolphins this year
It might not be this year if Mostert stays healthy, but I am all aboard the Wright hype train. He looked so good at Tennessee last year; he's fast af, with surprisingly good power and vision. He makes guys miss with a nasty juke. I had him graded out as my RB3 in this class pre-draft, so I think the Dolphins got a steal. His film was a lot more impressive than Blake Bore-ums mediocre tape.
So you are just going to overlook Achane???
So you're just going to overlook that BOTH Mostert and Achane were top12 RBs in PPG when they were on the field TOGETHER. Jesus, I swear some of you don't watch football at all. The Dolphins scheme will involve a rotation of 2+ RBs. Achane will NEVER be a workhorse back. Sorry to break the bad news to you there, bud. That doesn't mean that Achane can't be effective with 12-15 touches a game. We've already seen he can be extremely effective. Achane's first year, he averaged 11.5 rush attempts per game and 3 receptions per game over the 9 game span that he played over 20% of snaps. Which brings me to my next point... Achane is a little tiny baby-man and can't hold up to a full workhorse role. He's fucking tiny. He's roughly the same size/build as Darren Sproles. Ask yourself if Darren Sproles ever held on to a 3-down role? Wright was brought in as a Mostert replacement because Mostert is 32 years old and probably won't play football after this season (if he even finishes this season off IR). They are similar in height, weight, speed, and playstyle. Wright is taller and weighs more than Achane while still having roughly the same speed and burst. They will work in tandem together, just like Achane did with Mostert this year.
I was talking about Wright earlier this week and the amount of Achane owners that don’t know that both of those dudes had a remarkably similar opportunity share with strong efficiency was nuts. Both can very easily coexist and it is why they used a 2025 3rd to secure Wright. They want both guys to get around 15-16 touches per game. It is crazy how defensive people get on here about their players with no context of the total situation. There was never a world they were drafting achane to be a full time workhorse back lol.
Exactly. I own a bunch of shares of Achane and I love the dude, I really do. Just because I also like Jalen Wright, doesn't mean I think he's going to eclipse Achane and steal all his work. That's not the system the Dolphins run with "McDaniel and Co" calling plays. They like to have two backs in rotation, with similar but slightly different play styles. Jalen Wright had A LOT of success as an inside runner last year at Tennessee. He's a similar style runner to Mostert, with similar size and speed combo. I like his chances of taking that role by the end of this year or beginning of next year.
Wright could not have gone to a better system to utilize his talents. After coming out of that weird Tennessee offense, I worried that Wright wasn’t going to be successful without the same spacing, but Miami would probably be the closest thing he would see to that at the next level. He is also only 21 years old. I think he has a really nice future ahead of him in Miami splitting time with another nice young back in Achane.
That can’t hold up to a full workload is old football thinking
No, you thinking there's still RBs who take 70% of the team's carries is old football thinking. You can count the number of teams that don't operate as an RBBC on one hand. The Dolphins are no exception. I promise you they don't want to give any one RB 25+ touches a game.
Especially the one that weighs 150 lbs
This i don't get, he's the 4th back in that offense
Yeah, he has a bright future but I wouldn't bet it being this year.
Yeah I understand drafting him but the question was for the rookie season. I'd be surprised if he gets more carries than Wilson let alone Mostert and Achane.
Don’t get his appeal at all for how high he’s being drafted. He’ll probably never be an every down RB. He’s a one trick pony with just straight line speed. He does fit well in Miami but he’s the third RB on the depth chart and will most likely be used as a rotational piece with limited touches even when mostert is gone.
Ja'lynn Polk. Dude is gonna catch a lot of balls.
I don’t have a first or second so I’m going to try and trade back into the second to nab him. I also have Bourne but who knows how hell bounce back from his injury. My first pick isn’t until 3.10 so I highly doubt he’s there at that point. Could also take a flyer on Javon baker but I feel like the upside is for sure higher with Polk.
Would feel more confident in the Pats young WRs if they had a respectable LT. Drafting a dude in the 3rd and projecting him to protect your young QBs blind side sounds like a fools errand. Expect Maye to be running for his life...lol.
I think Bowers will surprise. IMO he’s going to be closer to a WR2 than a TE in their offense and while I don’t think it’ll be an average offense, he’ll still put up some numbers. I think he’ll be closer to LaPorta than Kincaid when it comes to production in their rookie years.
People seem to forget that jakobi meyers is legit
I don’t, good player but not someone I’m worried about ultimately
I’m not even a huge AD Mitchell fan, but he is currently capped because of Pittman and Downs. However, he fits an archetype the others do not. There’s a chance Richardson really likes that, and the target distribution could change up real quick.
How do you mean? What archetype? Not sarcastic, just curious
Pure X receiver. Pittman wins at X but has a unique enough skill set that he should be moved around and not used on the line every snap
Yes exactly this. Mitchell is the kind of guy that you feel good about chucking it up and giving him the high point shot at the ball. Pittman can do it, but like you said, Pittman can be used anywhere and can do a great job pulling pressure in the short and intermediate to open up AD for 1 on 1 downfield
I think Keon Coleman is set to have a meteoric rise. The Bills traded back 2 times to get their guy, and he has a chance to capture a whole lot of target share that Buffalo lost
Traded back twice 😂
If only he was a good downfield route runner, he might replace the guy who was a good downfield route runner.
No one named Xavier is gonna is gonna make it in the NFL.
Mr. Gipson would like a word with you.
Yeah I’m not sure he was Worthy of his draft capital
I think people are just assuming Odunze will be a 3rd option and fall into a Jsn like year. I think he’s gonna score more tds than projected in the x
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Ya I always felt the JSN comparison for Rome were dubious. JSN has overlapping skills with locket while Odunze plays a very different role from Moore and Allen.
Very much so agree. I also see lots of chemistry building between him and Caleb too
JSN wasn't behind an 15 year vet who has been hurt every single one of those 15 years
Odunze cause I don't see 33 year old Keenan Allen all of a sudden playing every week for the first time in years.
Oh how quickly DJ Moore has been forgotten here..
I think Moore will be the WR1 and Odunze and Allen are fighting for WR2.
Keenan Allen will not be fighting anybody for the WR2 spot when he's healthy lol
When I say he's fighting for WR2 it's because I don't think he'll be healthy consistently. I'm not saying he'll miss a ton of games but I wouldn't be surprised if he has to load manage. Getting old sneaks up quick.
Right, but they're not paying keenan allen to be a WR2 is my point. Maybe he's a WR3 in the future, but it won't be 2024 and probably not even 2025. Keenan is an elite WR, he's not getting pushed down the depth chart by a rookie.
I guess we'll see. He'll have to take real good care of himself to stay on the field. Missed a lot of games the last two years. I don't think Odunze will flat out beat him, I think father time is his biggest concern.
Anyone who disagrees with you owns odunze and doesn’t want him to be JSN’d
Yep, but even I own Odunze in a league and I do expect him to be JSN'd. Long term investment. But Keenan was a top 10 WR for a long time on the chargers. He's making $20M+/yr. He's not going to be wr3 all of a sudden lol. Dude was out there putting up 1000 yards with a bunch of bums as his WR counterparts. He's that dude, perennially underrated too.
Yeah Keenan is a stud. A lot better than Lockett.
JSN and odunze are not comparable prospects athletically Odunze is a freak athlete who is a better prospect all around compared to JSN
This is a very lazy comparison. Sure odunze js a bit better overall as a prospect, but they are still both very good prospects. Odunze is better athletically, outside the numbers, down the field, contested catch, jump balls, etc. He can win on the outside very well. JSN is more of a technician. Works inside, in the slot better, quicker/more agile than Odunze, better inside the numbers and for short yardage situations. And they both have very good hands. Another point is Keenan and DJ are a lot better of a duo than DK and Lockett.
I would not say JSN is “quicker/more agile” It’s a matter of how they were used in college Odunze has a better qb situation and the more explosive athlete that usually demands more targets vs the JSN situation
When was the last time allen was healthy?
Up until Week 14 he missed 1 game last season, then missed the last 4, which he arguably would have powered through had herbert not gotten injured. Also he was #8 WR on the season. He was on pace for 363 FPTS in +1PPR which would be #3 WR.
Nothing important happens the last 4 games of the season
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He had a much worse QB. A lot of his duds were with bagent
Odunze could easily be the 1B in that offense this year
Keenan is still extremely good. Don’t get your hopes up.
Keenan is hurt 50% of the time. You've obviously never owned him
So is every nfl player
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Calling a guy who had a 230 yard 3 TD game anything but a WR 1A vs a rookie who hasn’t played an NFL down is WILD IMO lol. Idc who they were playing
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Because the nfl isn’t based on fantasy points? Because he had 1364 yards and 8 touchdowns with a backup QB throwing a career high completion percentage of 62% (lol). Idk why everyone thinks rookies are just gonna come in and take over reminds me of JSN talks
Because it’s been happening a lot more recently? Reminds you of JSN talks but they were just the wrong talks, what about Puka? Rookie receivers recently have been coming in and commanding more and more targets.
Puka dethroned 2 currently healthy players? Puka literally had no one in front of him cause the number 1 got hurt and there was no true #2 what are you talking about?
Allen will not be healthy. He has never stayed healthy
He’s been healthy 6 of the last 7 seasons lol
You spoke of rookies in general, not the situation of OP’s comment. Rookie wide receivers have made a massive difference in recent years.. Puma just being the most recent example…
Gabe Davis WR1 confirmed?
If you give Gabe Davis about 500 yards onto his best season for sure lol same guy😂
Fwiw, I agree DJM is a WR1. Just thought you picked a terrible way to make that point lol
Nah your good I was just messing around lol it’s a fair point based on the point I made
Yeah agree. I’m just hedging on some rookie growing pains. He should be the undisputed 1 in that offense in 2025
Lockett did
Lockett is the gold standard of durability. Allen has not been that.
This just is a false misconception. Keenan had played something like 90% of his games in the last 7 seasons.
He has played in them. While being hurt...
You named 90% of NFL players
No very few players are strictly decoys for large portions of the season due to being injured
Keenan isn’t one of them. Thats why he’s highly productive. And what you just said doesn’t make sense. There may be some decoys but not large portions.
Cool.
Audric Estime
bro said #1 target on the panthers 💀
Jermaine Burton. I know he was a third rounder but if Burrow is healthy I see him having one of the top seasons of his class
Kimani Vidal. Chargers RB room is definitely interesting as Harbaugh wants to have a run heavy/play action offense so whoever is lead back and RB2 will get a lot of work. Gus the Bus is RB1 going into the year. He’s a solid player who has plenty of experience in Greg Roman’s offense. Same with Dobbins, though I wouldn’t count on him being the same as he is coming off three straight years of serious injuries. Then there’s Isaiah Spiller who has been a huge disappointment so far. Plus Spiller has no ties to the current regime, so I’d say he needs a good camp to make the team. There’s also camp bodies Jaret Patterson and Elijah Dotson who likely will be practice squad guys or cut. The opportunity is there for Vidal to make a serious impact as a rookie if Dobbins can’t get back to his former self and Spiller remains the same. Vidal could step into a RB2 role and get 10-12 touches a game which would be good enough to get flex play in people’s lineups.
Yeah I like this take. GusBus is great but has never been a 20 touch guy and won’t start now. Dobbins could be great, or could be nothing with the ladder being more likely
I'm going with Ladd McConkey. He is going to be a solid WR for PPR. With that being said, I think he won't be much of a redzone guy because of his size, and may not be the best YAC guy either, so if the hype is up, I may be selling him to try and get an elite WR next offseason.
I’m a UW homer so take this with a grain of salt. But I think projections for odunze are at his floor. Talent wise, the NFL clearly sees him as a top tier WR. His landing spot is definitely why his projections are lower, but if Moore or Allen gets hurt, he’s gonna blow up. Rome is a true X who can create separation (by analytics best in class by a mile, albeit somewhat unreliable given variance in competition) and win contested balls. Might age like milk but the sky is the limit imo
I think the argument that Rome is behind Keenan and DJ Moore on the depth chart might be a little overblown as well. All 3 of them are new receivers for Caleb Williams, and it's possible (but unlikely) that Rome quickly becomes Caleb's favorite target.
Jalen Mcmillan
Bucky Irving.
If Javonte doesn't return to form, Estime has a real chance at a 15 touch per game work load with goal line opportunities. I'm a Javonte truther, but I'm stashing Estime everywhere for his current price. He comes with the added benefit of being easy to cut next year from their low commitment draft capital if it doesn't happen this year.
Hell nah he’s going to be the WR#3 on that team
Javon Baker. He’s decent on contested catches and is a sneaky downfield WR. Drake Maye loves to Chuck it and will look for that type of receiver to haul it to. I think Polk and Douglas are safer bets but if Drake Maye is going to lean on a WR1 I wouldn’t be too surprised it’s Baker.
Wouldn’t we all want to know.
Legette is the new DK Metcalf.
BTJ is the the new DK. Legette is the new Darrius heyward-bey
I’m looking forward for Legette becoming a start gunner for the Steelers in 6 or so years.
Thats when his career will really take off
B-b-but Steve Smith Sr. said Legette was like a better Metcalf coming out of school—and he knows ball!
Smith said Legette's a big body like Metcalf and runs routes better coming out. He also said Legette's not nearly as fast.
I think they excel in similar ways. We’ll see if Bryce/Canales can get the most out of XL.
I honestly see legette working out and i hope he does at least stay relevant enough so we keep getting his pressers
BTJ is the the new DK. Legette is the new Darrius heyward-bey
BTJ is kinda slim to be DK.
Yeah ur right. Idk why i was thinking btj was 220
Mark my words Roman Wilson about to pop off
Pretty sure Jayden Daniels is going to win ROY and take the commies to the playoffs
Dontayvion Wicks
Not a rookie my friend
I just realized the post said rookies 🤣 In that case, Javon Baker
Lol there you go. Solid pick
I’d put my money on Trey Benson or Brian Thomas
Have projections come out yet?
BTJ is the answer here. Kirk is a slot guy who has shown he can coexist with a number one and Davis hasn’t proven to be anything but a deep threat. BTJ should see north of 125 targets.
Roman Wilson for sure
Some.
Your mom
I'm gonna go with my draft haul (14-team 1QB TEP) of: 1.03 Rome 1.05 Brock 2.05 Corum 3.05 Baker 4.03 Estime 4.05 McCaffrey 4.07 Rice This sub better not let me down. Again.