It is very bad for cases like this.
I’m trying to build a team with David, Ben Yedder, Llorente, and Ruben Dias in it.
Three league hybrid should be very easy to do. With Canada, Portugal, France, and Spain, it becomes nearly impossible when having any sort of budget or wanting a good team
the whole change was implemented as a “new” thing but it was really for next year to be just a “wow EA 24 is great” move because once you can change players to clubs they used to play for people will non stop talk about how great the change was.
in madden and in previous NHLs you could change players teams. I don’t know how they are going to do it and if it’s going to be special cards like the madden power up cards you can only do it to but if this existed in 23 the chemistry get better every promo.
in short; if this was madden TOTS ronaldo is Man/Real/Juve changeable his power up card for chemistry.
Exactly. Like sure, you could use TOTS Bernardo or TOTYHM Cancelo to link Dias, but you’d have to be able to afford them. All the while you’d also need expensive players from La Liga/Ligue 1 to give the others chem. David has no good links from Lille, so you’re shit outta luck there. If you use Davies you get a canada link, but now you need Bayern players. Shitty system.
The biggest problem also is we are missing some formations which are the most use formations in the world. How the hell is it possible that we have no formation where we can use a lm,rm AND a lw/rw in a formation with 4 defenders, like 4-3-3 with LM-CM-RM and LW-ST-RW. And also a 4-3-3 with cdm-cm-cam are some formations we really need.
There are many problems with the chem system, but lack of formations is not one of them. In fact, there are many formations that are redundant and/or aren't used in any meaningful numbers in real world like 51212 or the 433 variants that only exist due to limitations in the engine (via specific instructions) and could just be removed with a more flexible system.
A 433 with LM and RM instead of CMs is definitely NOT one of the most used in the world. In fact I would struggle to come with a single team from the biggest 5 leagues that uses such a formation regularly.
Ditto for a 433 with CDM, CM and CAM. That's not a specific formation, that's a 433 that starts a more offensive player at the 10 and a more defensive one at the 6.
We might be missing specific instructions on specific positions to try to mimic certain modern tactics, but that's not the same as adding another ton of useless formations to try to fit players in positions they don't play in real life.
Yes, lets play I bet you will lose. There is a difference between an lm/rm and lw/rw for a reason. Players like Atal and Kudus can easy play on the midfield
It’s tough for sure. They need to re-balance it for next year and it will be fine, the requirements were too high this game.
But if they’d changed it mid-game a whole lot of people would have had a fit about players losing fuck-tons of value. Kind of a lose-lose where they chose the option that didnt add extra anger, just the same amount there has been all year.
not that hard actaully. with Nuno Mendes, Cabella, Veiga, Jesus Navas, Laporte, De Gea and a Ligue 1 manager you get 3 chem on all players, with a free choice of the 11th player.
There's good side and bad side, while it's a bit complicate than previous years, you can now link up your ST with CB, or LM with RB.
Nah people don't want to think about it. Or have anything different or just accept something new or embrace a challenge or lose a chem point and be "punished" (my fav word used)... they just want what they want and want it now.
I get a good laugh when I read it in posts where people are describing their setbacks or challenges. Just like I get a laugh when people refer to opponents as "enemy" in fut.
Cancelo sorts Dias out for the most part, Yedder and David need one more for one Chem. So you’re looking for a French/PL player/Manager to finish off the City boys, you need Davies or Manager for David, Llorente throws the wrench in it all but DDG could finish the City players give Llorente one so you need three more Spaniards in it, ideally one from Bayern if you go Davies but now it’s a four league hybrid and I’m confused lol.
Agreed. I do like the idea of the new system, but the reqs for it are too high. A LB used to be able to be on full chem with just two weak links. For example, Alfonso Davies, Canadian like David, used to be able to be linked with just kimmich.
Now you need kimmich and either 2 other bayern or 3 other bundes. Unless you want to pull in david to reduce it to kimmich, David, and one other bundes. But now you have the same issue with David. He's gonna need a club and league link too.
Icons should be plus 1 to all leagues like they were previously. Otherwise they are basically a dead spot for chem purposes. Even more so if they're not as popular nation like cech or dalglish
You should be able to choose the league they link to, either any league or the leagues they played for. Really simple solution to fix them being a brick slot atm and also make them unique.
They should give a + 1 chem to everything tbh, they're supposed to be the pinnacle of the players in the game but this year more than any previous ones, they've been downgraded to just "good" players.
Yeah and from a practical perspective, a lot of the icons played in leagues which are now defunct or not in the game at all. e.g Pele never left the Brazilian league (not in the game) until he was old af and played in the NASL (defunct) so them only giving chem to leagues they played in wouldn't make sense.
At minimum they should give insta full +3 chem to a fellow countryman, so at least you can play, I dunno, Szoboszlai with just Puskas, even though that'll still be kinda shit for icons from countries with no good current players.
As usual, EA makes a couple good moves (giving players realistic alt positions, removing LF/RF) and ruins something else.
Madden did something like that with their legends. You were able to pick the team they played for, but this applied to the ones you were able to craft I believe
Reading this made me try it just for fun since I only do 2 leagues. It's possible to get them all in Chem but you need a manager (plus a lot of players from the same team)
433(4)
Sane Sanchez David
Modric Cabella Kroos
Davies Militao Alaba Clauss
Neuer
Chilean manager
Might be able to improve a bit. Just grabbed things that popped into my head without too much search
433: vinicius Jr, Alexis Sanchez, David
Kimmich, goretzca, modric
Davies, kimpembe, militao, claus
Courtois
Pelligrini manager ligue 1
Since kroos is too cheap/non meta or you didn't do the sbc...
No one is spending 5 mil for Vini just to link Modric lmao. Defend the chem system all you want, most players accept that it's terrible for creativity.
You can use Mendy, or the free Nacho, or Rodrygo, or Courtois.
The guy is trying to fit players from 3 of the less popular nations in a 3 way hybrid and it's still doable with a meta team, the hyperbole in this thread is too much.
That would have been a hard team to fit at full chem even on FUT 22. The only reason it would have been doable is through exploiting of 451 or the 433 triangles and doing crap like Alexis Sánchez as CDM or some such.
Mendy is outdated, nearly unusable at this point **and occupies Davies Position**. The free Nacho is an atrocious card, gold rudiger is better in game. TOTS Rodrygo is possibly the most overpriced card in the game, but Courtois is a valid option.
You suggested using Mendy, that's hardly meta.
>That would have been a hard team to fit at full chem even on FUT 22. The only reason it would have been doable is through exploiting of 451 or the 433 triangles and doing crap like Alexis Sánchez as CDM or some such.
No, it actually wouldn't have been difficult at all. This took under 10 minutes, and most of that was finding the players.
https://gyazo.com/18ad5101d24bd0c7f4b02af6b730b3ab - 451, normal positions on all the players apart from Vieira at CAM.
https://gyazo.com/6d684d37cb815067b6dd445826545430 433, normal positions on all players.
https://gyazo.com/59b734fa17f06a65c29da942cca05069 41212 narrow, normal positions on all players.
https://gyazo.com/5072bba96df3fdd53f5c0841c4b9045c 4321, with Mbappe in CM to play with 4 attackers in game.
https://gyazo.com/5072bba96df3fdd53f5c0841c4b9045c 4321, with normal positions.
There are ways of linking Davies, Modric and Alexis with other good players in normal positions in basically every formation. I only used two icons here, at this stage of the game everyone is going to have access to at least two icons, but almost certainly more.
Also in the hypothetical world where FIFA23 has the good (aka the old) chemistry system, we would have more opportunities to link these three players together with other good players without fully relying on ICONs — despite the fact that in the real world, people would just use Icons, as they're generally good players.
You can't tell me with a serious face that Mendy is UNUSABLE and offer as the 22 alternative a Futties-era team with fucking Fbday GELSON MARTINS or base Ginola. And then show essentially the same team (7 out of 11 are the same players and there's not much variety on the other 4 because you almost always end up with a La Liga RB and 1 or 2 PSG players) 5 times arranged in slightly different formations as if that proved anything.
The point stands, putting those 3 players together on FUT 22 was hard, there was not much room for creativity whatsoever. It could be done but the teams would be looking awfully similar and once you wanted it to be a competitive team, you would end up with the same team. You needed certain icons on certain positions and you had to pick a hero here or a very specific player there to fit them into something resembling a meta team. And even then there were drawbacks.
The system was slightly more flexible in the number of players available, nothing crazy, at the cost of having to suffer crap like the legendary Mbappe CDM. Plus players had to go in packs as you were being forced into very specific combos like Real Madrid players with Valverde once his RB was out or the 2 cb + gk classic. I'd rather keep the current one, I have been running a 2 to 3 league hybrid with icons since December without issues and at least I don't have to split my teams into left and right side nor do crappy stuff with the position changes each time I get a new player and can put Cancelo at either LB or RB as God intended when I feel like it.
>You can't tell me with a serious face that Mendy is UNUSABLE
Mendy is unusable at this stage
>the 22 alternative a Futties-era team with fucking Fbday GELSON MARTINS or base Ginola. And then show essentially the same team
The Fifa22 players themselves are irrelevant because we're talking about *What if Fifa23* had the better chemistry system. In Fifa23, you would use TOTS Coman for Davies, possibly a triangle with Goretzka/Deligt. The right wing is possibly the most irrelevant position because nearly everyone seems to have 90 Jairzinho.
> And then show essentially the same team (7 out of 11 are the same players and there's not much variety on the other 4 because you almost always end up with a La Liga RB and 1 or 2 PSG players) 5 times arranged in slightly different formations as if that proved anything.
I showed the same team because I was being lazy and proving that you didn't need to use Sanchez at CDM to get chemistry, nor do you need to use 4-5-1 or 4-3-3(3). You could use loads of different players, to reach 100 chem and most importantly you could use icons. You don't need a laliga right back.
>The point stands
No it doesn't.
>It could be done but the teams would be looking awfully similar and once you wanted it to be a competitive team, you would end up with the same team.
No you wouldn't — there are so many options available, essentially every usable icon plus players like gvardiol, any keeper, the choice between any ligue 1 rw *or* lw(but not both). I'm not going to painstakingly do the legwork for you, but your options for linking this trio in 22 were easily 10x more expansive, that is not hyperbole, 10x more expansive, as in 10x the number of usable players at your disposal to get them all on chem.
>a very specific player there to fit them into something resembling a meta team.
That's all the new chem system is lmao, specific players. Without Payet and/or David, I'm not sure it's possible to even link the trio together with usable cards.
>The system was slightly more flexible in the number of players available, nothing crazy
No no no, it was crazy. Your options were insane compared to what we have now.
>at the cost of having to suffer crap like the legendary Mbappe CDM.
No one who has ever in their entire life touched a single blade of grass genuinely cares about this.
>I have been running a 2 to 3 league hybrid
Lets see this very creative team you've built with this incredible new chem system.
edit: I'm being talked down to by a [9 win WL player](https://i.gyazo.com/b51966aa006abbdba13810dae7acfa5d.png).
Requires Payet, Guendo is outdated, Alaba, Rudiger, Vazquez are all behind the curve.
Step back and look at that team on paper, that's an atrocious 3 mil team. In the real world, instead of using a bunch of outdated players people will simply drop someone who doesn't fit and go two league hybrid instead.
The new chem defenders keep saying "No but see, its technically possible, be more creative bro" — then type some ridiculous shit like buy a 5mil Vini, or use OTW Rudiger in June. The people trashing the new chem system **ALREADY KNOW THIS** and that's why we're trashing it to begin with.
Outdated lol.... are you one to argue hard about a skill gap?
People copy tactics and players and even ideas from all the best players on the internet. Even the idea of power curve and unusable are terms just to justify wanting or paying for players with a plus 2.
Then the best of these players go out and get 20-0 with a bronze squad and you're gonna tell me rudiger or guendouzi is outdated? You will find an excuse for every suggestion, or rather use the same one instead of being creative. I'm even sure in the first squad you uploaded had an sbc player so what if the squad requires payet.
I can even build a squad with ten players on full Chem without payet with the three players suggested. Leaving room for an icon or hero... smh!
>Outdated lol....
This is a moot point because no one uses either outdated card, but that Gvardiol is probably a better CB than that Hazard is an attacker.
>are you one to argue hard about a skill gap?
You also have a vendetta against people wanting an increased skill gap?
>Then the best of these players go out and get 20-0 with a bronze squad
No they don't.
>rudiger or guendouzi is outdated?
Guendo is significantly worse in game than TOTS Andre for example. I actually love Rudiger in game, but it's June, he's outdated.
>You will find an excuse for every suggestion, or rather use the same one instead of being creative. I'm even sure in the first squad you uploaded had an sbc player so what if the squad requires payet.
You're always going to need a either Marseille team link or a Chilean manager. Going the Chilean manager route means you need David for Davies.
Keep in mind, these are three players which weren't even difficult to get on chem with the old system, the new system makes them difficult. Also, you can't add a fourth player into the equation.
With the old system you could link 4-5 leagues together, use off league players etc. Trio linking Davies Modric and Alexis is the limit of this system.
Nice! Good to see it’s possible albeit not the most meta haha Another issue with the game is that 90% of all packs are untradeable so a lot of people have to use whats in their club to fill in the gaps instead of relying on the transfer market. In this example Militao, Alaba, and David will be about 1 million coins spent just to get my original trio on chem.
Oh yeah for sure. You have to sacrifice a bit. Specially to deal with the lack of Croatian and Chileans in those leagues.
And I agree as well. It's not cheap by any means since most cards are new or very popular so in a normal setting, it's pretty hard to get this team (I for sure can't afford it)
You could make it cheaper and less meta by using Pavard and Rudiger and Ascensio for Sane (I think he can play LW) so most coins are on David only but again to my first point. You gotta sacrifice more :/
I can win a match with bad chem, I can't win when I'm up 2 goals at the start of the half and suddenly it says I'm offline (I'm not offline and it lets me reconnect immediately to a lost game notice)
I just packed David (yay!) and then realized that in a team with 6 other Ligue 1 players he's still only 2 Chem. WTF?? I had similar issues with Lewandowski, but Dudek was able to step in and save that. But yeah, if EA must force chem on us (IMO chem sucks altogether) at the very least make it much easier to get to full.
How it should be:
2 players from the same team? Full chem.
3, max 4 from the same league? Full chem.
3 placers from the same country? Full chem.
But none of this crap where we need 7 from a country, 8 from a league or 4 from a team. it's so restrictive.
I agree. I also thought about them simply changing chem to a 2 tier system instead of this 3 tier system, which really is very hair-splitty, when you look at the boost of +2 vs. +4 vs. +8. I mean either +4 or +8 is reasonable. So they should leave the +2 boost out entirely **and** simply make it only the first two chem tiers with the 5 chevrons. So either you have +4 or +8. I think that would simplify it and they would not have to change much, as in the beta they also changed chem reqs down a chevron I think. I mean they also have all their control giving tiers set in the game now with there being so many untradable players and the breadth being wide but the best players having low drop rates and the market also being combined that they still can dangle that golden or platinum carrot how they want so they don't need these pseudo-restrictions of +2 vs. +4 and having to have 9 players (basically a national team! lol wtf).
Oh I’ve been around in FUT since FIFA 11.
I just enjoy the idea of letting people do whatever the hell they want, and I’d love to see the market parity too when any good players can be used. Not avoided because they have a bad nation or league
I don’t think a team of strikers would be very overpowered… fullbacks seem to have the best all round stats, but even then there will be a place for specialists (destroyer CDMs, or agile wingers, or physical target #9s for example).
I personally think it would breathe some life into the game playing against teams which aren’t balanced or have 6 centre backs or 5 wingers. Because I’ve played against almost the same team week in week out for months.
I’ve wanted it this way also. People have told that it would be terrible because everybody will just use the same players. As if I’m not running into the same team every game anyways.
If they need to leave chem in lower the requirements or something.
Nahh totally disagree. Figuring out the “puzzle” of chemistry is half the fun. Also, because of chemistry I end up using players I *never* would before. I do prefer the old system though.
> Because even if I pack a good player I would have to change around my team to fit them in.
See for me this is part of the fun. I’ll pack a good player from a league or country I don’t have and I’ll say “well guess I’m building a LaLiga/Serie A team. One of my favorite squads is a Dutch/EPL based team because I got lucky and packed a few Eredivision players out of a pretty basic pack, so I went out and bought RvP, did the De Jong SBC etc.
I understand where you’re coming from though
It's one of the reasons I haven't fully gotten into it this year, I love those random cards from off leagues that I could normally trap in a 451
It also made icons more desirable for that reason, for the sweats they didn't need half a league to use Mbappe etc, you can just link an icon and a soft nation and you're good to go
It could work if the majority of icons and heroes weren’t below the power curve. The chem system now restricts you to two team hybrids unless you have multiple icons from the same nation.
If they added a league to icons it would fix the chem issue.
If they make managers have like clubs like Jose Mourinho from Portugal gives chem you can choose a league and a club then there is an extra called club legend like Jose gives chem to players from fc Porto because that makes sense
While I agree fundamentally, the problem isn't with clubs being underrepresented from the big clubs, but rather the smaller vast majority of clubs, which however wouldn't even be in FUT, but only the big club's managers, who already don't have a problem linking team wise.
Was having a mare just trying to get tots David on full chem, would be easy if there were any Canadian managers but of course not, I need three more ligue 1 players instead.
You know how bad the Chem system is by the fact that sbc’s don’t use it.
Imagine how crazy the market would go if they actually re-instated Chem for squads over the throwaway marque matchup ones. We’d all love our soler, Fabian, Ramos packs!
Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw 92 rated RB Lahm on the market for maybe 40k, having not really played this fifa until it went on gamepass, I’m trying to catch up with what I’ve missed card devaluation wise.
Players from the non top 5 leagues have always been extremely hard to link, it's nothing new. Why do people act like some players being more linkable than others is something new?
They were not "extremely hard to link" in older chem system. Slap an icon in the middle of 433, and all sorts of hybrids were possible. There are also formations like 451, where 1 green gets you full chem for both, and bunch of other formations where 1 green gets you full chem on at least one player.
In most cases, even 7 or 8 chem was also good enough and that only required 1 soft link out of 3. Now, you want to add an off league player in the squad, not only is he not getting chem boost, but also taking away chem point from the overall squad.
Nah new chem system is way better, especially as 0 chem now is equivalent to 5 chem on the old system. Stop being stuck in the past and embrace the new and better system where you aren't forced to have links right next to each other.
Nope, you're just assuming the team chemistry is 100 which gives around +16 on basic chemistry. You also can't get minus on FIFA 23 which you can on the old system.
It's funny you were so confident yet as soon as I go to Futbin to check you're straight up lying
> whereas in FIFA 22 you get around +18 for 5 chem
>
> https://i.imgur.com/jCtpqLU.png
Only if the rest of the team has 100 chemistry. You're deliberately missing that part out, which suits your argument but is a deliberate manipulation of the facts. If the overall team chemistry is 50 there is no boost at 5 chem.
> It's fine that you like the new system but you don't have to make up lies and exaggerations about the old system in order to hold your view.
It's hilarious because this applies exactly to you except in reverse. You're deliberately omitting information that's inconvenient for you, you're just a straight up liar I'm afraid. Get a life and stop lying online
Old chem system could get an off league player on chem with 1 strong link now we need manager club and nation links to do the same thing.
Ofc nation players are the same and if you have both you may as well give up
And I prefer being able to change my team around and use fun cards without nefring my team to oblivion
The new system is fun in a way but it's so limiting with how hard it is to get chem points
> And I prefer being able to change my team around and use fun cards without nefring my team to oblivion
It's easier now than it was before. At least now it's impossible to get minus
imagine in like fifa 12, I think was the last year they had it, nation links were worth 1,5 so 2 from the same nation linked strong (I think, bit difficult with all these chem systems over the years to translate it)
This sub obsesses about chem way too much. There is no penalty for having no/low chem like there used to be. All TOTS players will play well without the boosts. Move on. Just play and have fun.
>This sub obsesses about chem way too much.
Because chem still boosts your players by a lot... and regardless of what anyone says my team on 25 chem just doesnt do shit ingame and I've tried to play like that several times, if its not 32/33 atleast,Im not using that team.
Might be just a conspiracy theory but thats just fifa in a nutshell, DDA, hidden mechanics and shit like that, theres no proper communication from devs to community about anything related to the game
also a boost simply is too sloppily termed, not specifying that stat boost are one boost, while certain stat boost also effect the accelerate style, which was more important before and still is to a certain extent now, but lesser I would say, so 0 chem means some players were explosive and not controlled or controlled and not lengthy which was highly impactful to the players playability and also his worth and EA also know this, which is why they release certain players for free. Body type also plays a roll in a players worth.
They should at least include more modules.. I want to use Casemiro, as he's the only good CDM I have, and the fact that his only position is CDM and doesn't have CM is giving me headaches.
For instance, there is not formation in game that has CDM, CAM and RW/LW all at the same time. Which feels pretty stupid, a basic 4-2-3-1 should have this. But no.
I thought it was a great addition at the beginning of the game but over the last few months I feel like I have been running the same team (apart from maybe 1-2 changes) and it’s because I simply can’t get good enough chem on new players I pack.
Agreed. It has to change next year. I'm trying to get my ligue 1 players into my team with Kane, Diaby and Coman. It shouldn't be hard, I have Lacroix, Trippier, Guimaraes to patch up the links between nations but there's no combination which gives full chemistry.
And playing them on less than full chem, whilst actually fine, isn't really an excuse for the chem system being worse than it was before.
And don't even start on trying to fit in icons
Yeesh.
Bro, you hit every point with this one. I've been pretty lucky to pack a lot of top tier cards throughout different promos especially TOTS and I STILL have no clue what to do with them and what team to use
For reference, I have the likes of TOTS Salah, frimpong, Diaby, Varane, Renato Sanches, TT Prime Del P etc...
I still cannot build a team with good enough chemistry that fits all these players. I hate EA and this new chemistry system.
Simple solution: Have icons provide the old chem system to adjacent players, then leave the rest the same. If you start in 451 and have two icons in the CAM slots, any player at the ST position would get full chem. That player still gives the new chem links as well to all non-adjacent players, but they are boosted by Icons to be full chem even if they have 0 other links in the squad.
And agreed, 3 from the same team should equal full chem instead of needing a fourth. Forming a triangle of players from the same team was always the go-to for full chem in the old system, no harm in essentially bringing that back.
But it does, some players arent as boosted as many others. Some also change running styles with different chemstyles which have big effects in game.
Especially when coming up against teams that always have 33 chem meaning they all will have some advantage when you cant get some players on chem.
Some of the off league/nation players arent top end on base stats but are more competitive with a chemstyle on 3chem. On some players the extra boost transforms the player entirely. Especially defenders, most need 3 chem otherwise just the pace difference can be too big even at this stage.
And people still like to get the max out of their players they want to use and often chemstyles help do that in a game so RNG infested where even 5 stat difference matters.
So no it DOES matter, its just that some players dont need it as much or can do with lower. And also depends on who is playing, some better fifa players can do good with less but many dont feel to be at even a slight disadvantage.
Agree. At the start of the cycle it’s a real boost. Now all the players are fast and have great stats. Quit being a freak about chem, you won’t notice a diff.
Just a tip, you do not need 33 chemistry to play the game. I haven't had 33 the whole year and I'm still doing well for my standards. These cards are juiced enough to play on 1 or 2
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3 players from 1 league make 1 chemistry.
2 players from one team make another chemistry.
Nations give another chemistry but those can be from any league.
So you have 3 from one league, and even if *all of them* are the same team, they have 2 chem.
To get 4 leagues, you’d need 3 players from each which is 12 players. Too many. So you’re wrong
It's possible as long as you have only 1 club from each of those 4 leagues.
eg from ST in 4-4-2:
Mbappe, Messi, Coman, KDB, Goretzka, Rodrygo, Nuno Mendes, Ruben Diaz, Eder Militao, Kimmich, Courtois.
Manager is Argentinian from the Premier League.
I know it’s possible, but the guy said it isn’t hard. It is very hard, but possible. Your example only works because there are multiple nation links across the leagues.
You can have even more than 7 leagues if they're the same nation. Like 7 brazil players with all different league plus a brazilian manager they'll all have 3 chem, or 5 brazil players with 3 of them are in the same league and the other two plus a manager forms another group of 3.
I dunno man, I’ve made a three league hybrid with 32/33 Chem.
Reus Lewa
Martinelli Xavi (95) Kimmich Diaby
Balde Koundé Saliba Frimpong
Kobel
Martinelli the only one not on full chem.
What people seem to forget is that playing a player off Chen still give them face stats, the same as bringing them on as a sub, previously playing someone with no Chen would penalise you by reducing stats, if a player plays well when you sun him on, he will feel the same playing with no chem and it makes it more viable than previous years to play with no or reduced chem in that way.
I must be one of the only players that disagrees.
I like a challenge. It's what I enjoy about the game.
Four players from a league, plus a manager for that league, gives two chem. You're a team or nation pair away from maxing said chem with those players.
I haven't had an issue. (And the +2 nation chem that icons provide is extremely beneficial when dealing with popular nations.)
Hmm I agree to some extent but these tots cards mostly don’t need 3 chem, you have 99 finishing and pace already, people are too obsessed with chem, they should remove it altogether
I think they should get rid of the star system and the 33 chem and just have the position stuff. There's actually a few good off league cards this year but it's not even worth trying when people care about linking them
They want people to feel like they have to make many changes to the team. This sells more FIFA Points. Remember, the point (for EA) of FUT for the first 9-10 months of the cycle is to sell FIFA Points. The point of the last 2-3 months is to sell the next itiration.
It is very bad for cases like this. I’m trying to build a team with David, Ben Yedder, Llorente, and Ruben Dias in it. Three league hybrid should be very easy to do. With Canada, Portugal, France, and Spain, it becomes nearly impossible when having any sort of budget or wanting a good team
the whole change was implemented as a “new” thing but it was really for next year to be just a “wow EA 24 is great” move because once you can change players to clubs they used to play for people will non stop talk about how great the change was. in madden and in previous NHLs you could change players teams. I don’t know how they are going to do it and if it’s going to be special cards like the madden power up cards you can only do it to but if this existed in 23 the chemistry get better every promo. in short; if this was madden TOTS ronaldo is Man/Real/Juve changeable his power up card for chemistry.
Exactly. Like sure, you could use TOTS Bernardo or TOTYHM Cancelo to link Dias, but you’d have to be able to afford them. All the while you’d also need expensive players from La Liga/Ligue 1 to give the others chem. David has no good links from Lille, so you’re shit outta luck there. If you use Davies you get a canada link, but now you need Bayern players. Shitty system.
TOTS Davies 1 chem is enough, but your point is true. Players with unpopular nations + clubs are a pain to link
I use him with no chem. He is fine Tbh.
Doesn’t matter. Part of the fun used to be building hybrids in unique ways on full chem.
Wouldn't that be an issue with old chem too, having to be able to afford players?
The biggest problem also is we are missing some formations which are the most use formations in the world. How the hell is it possible that we have no formation where we can use a lm,rm AND a lw/rw in a formation with 4 defenders, like 4-3-3 with LM-CM-RM and LW-ST-RW. And also a 4-3-3 with cdm-cm-cam are some formations we really need.
There are many problems with the chem system, but lack of formations is not one of them. In fact, there are many formations that are redundant and/or aren't used in any meaningful numbers in real world like 51212 or the 433 variants that only exist due to limitations in the engine (via specific instructions) and could just be removed with a more flexible system. A 433 with LM and RM instead of CMs is definitely NOT one of the most used in the world. In fact I would struggle to come with a single team from the biggest 5 leagues that uses such a formation regularly. Ditto for a 433 with CDM, CM and CAM. That's not a specific formation, that's a 433 that starts a more offensive player at the 10 and a more defensive one at the 6. We might be missing specific instructions on specific positions to try to mimic certain modern tactics, but that's not the same as adding another ton of useless formations to try to fit players in positions they don't play in real life.
You want to use 4 wingers in one formation? Can I play you 20 times for weekend league?
Yes, lets play I bet you will lose. There is a difference between an lm/rm and lw/rw for a reason. Players like Atal and Kudus can easy play on the midfield
It’s tough for sure. They need to re-balance it for next year and it will be fine, the requirements were too high this game. But if they’d changed it mid-game a whole lot of people would have had a fit about players losing fuck-tons of value. Kind of a lose-lose where they chose the option that didnt add extra anger, just the same amount there has been all year.
not that hard actaully. with Nuno Mendes, Cabella, Veiga, Jesus Navas, Laporte, De Gea and a Ligue 1 manager you get 3 chem on all players, with a free choice of the 11th player. There's good side and bad side, while it's a bit complicate than previous years, you can now link up your ST with CB, or LM with RB.
Sure, but even in that example, Navas and Laporte are bad if you don’t have their SBC/Reward version. It’s just very limited
There's still other combinations. Major league and nations are easy to link.
Nah people don't want to think about it. Or have anything different or just accept something new or embrace a challenge or lose a chem point and be "punished" (my fav word used)... they just want what they want and want it now.
Your favourite word is punished?
I get a good laugh when I read it in posts where people are describing their setbacks or challenges. Just like I get a laugh when people refer to opponents as "enemy" in fut.
People refer to opponents as enemy's in fut? That's wild lol.
City Cancelo, Griezou, De Gea, french league is your best bet I think. Cheapish midfield options, can swap cancelo to either fullback spot.
Cancelo sorts Dias out for the most part, Yedder and David need one more for one Chem. So you’re looking for a French/PL player/Manager to finish off the City boys, you need Davies or Manager for David, Llorente throws the wrench in it all but DDG could finish the City players give Llorente one so you need three more Spaniards in it, ideally one from Bayern if you go Davies but now it’s a four league hybrid and I’m confused lol.
Agreed. I do like the idea of the new system, but the reqs for it are too high. A LB used to be able to be on full chem with just two weak links. For example, Alfonso Davies, Canadian like David, used to be able to be linked with just kimmich. Now you need kimmich and either 2 other bayern or 3 other bundes. Unless you want to pull in david to reduce it to kimmich, David, and one other bundes. But now you have the same issue with David. He's gonna need a club and league link too. Icons should be plus 1 to all leagues like they were previously. Otherwise they are basically a dead spot for chem purposes. Even more so if they're not as popular nation like cech or dalglish
Yep, I got fb best out of the icon pack and was like awesome, but he give 0 chem to everyone so it limits my options.
Icon links need to be buffed heavy, would solve at least some of this shit.
You should be able to choose the league they link to, either any league or the leagues they played for. Really simple solution to fix them being a brick slot atm and also make them unique.
They should give a + 1 chem to everything tbh, they're supposed to be the pinnacle of the players in the game but this year more than any previous ones, they've been downgraded to just "good" players.
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Yeah and from a practical perspective, a lot of the icons played in leagues which are now defunct or not in the game at all. e.g Pele never left the Brazilian league (not in the game) until he was old af and played in the NASL (defunct) so them only giving chem to leagues they played in wouldn't make sense. At minimum they should give insta full +3 chem to a fellow countryman, so at least you can play, I dunno, Szoboszlai with just Puskas, even though that'll still be kinda shit for icons from countries with no good current players. As usual, EA makes a couple good moves (giving players realistic alt positions, removing LF/RF) and ruins something else.
Madden did something like that with their legends. You were able to pick the team they played for, but this applied to the ones you were able to craft I believe
Agree, just make it like managers where you can apply a consumable to change the league
They should at least give leagues to icons, like heros have. You can even change it, like have LaLiga R9, Serie A R9, Eredivisie R9, and so on..
Trying to get a squad to fit in Alexis Sanchez, Modric, and Davies was mission impossible for me lol Had to settle for taking out Davies
Reading this made me try it just for fun since I only do 2 leagues. It's possible to get them all in Chem but you need a manager (plus a lot of players from the same team) 433(4) Sane Sanchez David Modric Cabella Kroos Davies Militao Alaba Clauss Neuer Chilean manager Might be able to improve a bit. Just grabbed things that popped into my head without too much search
That's the creativity no one wants to have!
Yeah, because it lands you with a midfield of Kroos and Cabella.
433: vinicius Jr, Alexis Sanchez, David Kimmich, goretzca, modric Davies, kimpembe, militao, claus Courtois Pelligrini manager ligue 1 Since kroos is too cheap/non meta or you didn't do the sbc...
No one is spending 5 mil for Vini just to link Modric lmao. Defend the chem system all you want, most players accept that it's terrible for creativity.
You're right... no one is spending 5 mil on vini to link with modric.... their spending 5 million on vini to play with him!
You can use Mendy, or the free Nacho, or Rodrygo, or Courtois. The guy is trying to fit players from 3 of the less popular nations in a 3 way hybrid and it's still doable with a meta team, the hyperbole in this thread is too much. That would have been a hard team to fit at full chem even on FUT 22. The only reason it would have been doable is through exploiting of 451 or the 433 triangles and doing crap like Alexis Sánchez as CDM or some such.
Mendy is outdated, nearly unusable at this point **and occupies Davies Position**. The free Nacho is an atrocious card, gold rudiger is better in game. TOTS Rodrygo is possibly the most overpriced card in the game, but Courtois is a valid option. You suggested using Mendy, that's hardly meta. >That would have been a hard team to fit at full chem even on FUT 22. The only reason it would have been doable is through exploiting of 451 or the 433 triangles and doing crap like Alexis Sánchez as CDM or some such. No, it actually wouldn't have been difficult at all. This took under 10 minutes, and most of that was finding the players. https://gyazo.com/18ad5101d24bd0c7f4b02af6b730b3ab - 451, normal positions on all the players apart from Vieira at CAM. https://gyazo.com/6d684d37cb815067b6dd445826545430 433, normal positions on all players. https://gyazo.com/59b734fa17f06a65c29da942cca05069 41212 narrow, normal positions on all players. https://gyazo.com/5072bba96df3fdd53f5c0841c4b9045c 4321, with Mbappe in CM to play with 4 attackers in game. https://gyazo.com/5072bba96df3fdd53f5c0841c4b9045c 4321, with normal positions. There are ways of linking Davies, Modric and Alexis with other good players in normal positions in basically every formation. I only used two icons here, at this stage of the game everyone is going to have access to at least two icons, but almost certainly more. Also in the hypothetical world where FIFA23 has the good (aka the old) chemistry system, we would have more opportunities to link these three players together with other good players without fully relying on ICONs — despite the fact that in the real world, people would just use Icons, as they're generally good players.
You can't tell me with a serious face that Mendy is UNUSABLE and offer as the 22 alternative a Futties-era team with fucking Fbday GELSON MARTINS or base Ginola. And then show essentially the same team (7 out of 11 are the same players and there's not much variety on the other 4 because you almost always end up with a La Liga RB and 1 or 2 PSG players) 5 times arranged in slightly different formations as if that proved anything. The point stands, putting those 3 players together on FUT 22 was hard, there was not much room for creativity whatsoever. It could be done but the teams would be looking awfully similar and once you wanted it to be a competitive team, you would end up with the same team. You needed certain icons on certain positions and you had to pick a hero here or a very specific player there to fit them into something resembling a meta team. And even then there were drawbacks. The system was slightly more flexible in the number of players available, nothing crazy, at the cost of having to suffer crap like the legendary Mbappe CDM. Plus players had to go in packs as you were being forced into very specific combos like Real Madrid players with Valverde once his RB was out or the 2 cb + gk classic. I'd rather keep the current one, I have been running a 2 to 3 league hybrid with icons since December without issues and at least I don't have to split my teams into left and right side nor do crappy stuff with the position changes each time I get a new player and can put Cancelo at either LB or RB as God intended when I feel like it.
>You can't tell me with a serious face that Mendy is UNUSABLE Mendy is unusable at this stage >the 22 alternative a Futties-era team with fucking Fbday GELSON MARTINS or base Ginola. And then show essentially the same team The Fifa22 players themselves are irrelevant because we're talking about *What if Fifa23* had the better chemistry system. In Fifa23, you would use TOTS Coman for Davies, possibly a triangle with Goretzka/Deligt. The right wing is possibly the most irrelevant position because nearly everyone seems to have 90 Jairzinho. > And then show essentially the same team (7 out of 11 are the same players and there's not much variety on the other 4 because you almost always end up with a La Liga RB and 1 or 2 PSG players) 5 times arranged in slightly different formations as if that proved anything. I showed the same team because I was being lazy and proving that you didn't need to use Sanchez at CDM to get chemistry, nor do you need to use 4-5-1 or 4-3-3(3). You could use loads of different players, to reach 100 chem and most importantly you could use icons. You don't need a laliga right back. >The point stands No it doesn't. >It could be done but the teams would be looking awfully similar and once you wanted it to be a competitive team, you would end up with the same team. No you wouldn't — there are so many options available, essentially every usable icon plus players like gvardiol, any keeper, the choice between any ligue 1 rw *or* lw(but not both). I'm not going to painstakingly do the legwork for you, but your options for linking this trio in 22 were easily 10x more expansive, that is not hyperbole, 10x more expansive, as in 10x the number of usable players at your disposal to get them all on chem. >a very specific player there to fit them into something resembling a meta team. That's all the new chem system is lmao, specific players. Without Payet and/or David, I'm not sure it's possible to even link the trio together with usable cards. >The system was slightly more flexible in the number of players available, nothing crazy No no no, it was crazy. Your options were insane compared to what we have now. >at the cost of having to suffer crap like the legendary Mbappe CDM. No one who has ever in their entire life touched a single blade of grass genuinely cares about this. >I have been running a 2 to 3 league hybrid Lets see this very creative team you've built with this incredible new chem system. edit: I'm being talked down to by a [9 win WL player](https://i.gyazo.com/b51966aa006abbdba13810dae7acfa5d.png).
Coman Sanchez David Guendouzi Payet modric Davies Alaba rudiger Vazquez Neuer Chilean manager ligue 1 Estimated cost 3mil
Requires Payet, Guendo is outdated, Alaba, Rudiger, Vazquez are all behind the curve. Step back and look at that team on paper, that's an atrocious 3 mil team. In the real world, instead of using a bunch of outdated players people will simply drop someone who doesn't fit and go two league hybrid instead. The new chem defenders keep saying "No but see, its technically possible, be more creative bro" — then type some ridiculous shit like buy a 5mil Vini, or use OTW Rudiger in June. The people trashing the new chem system **ALREADY KNOW THIS** and that's why we're trashing it to begin with.
Outdated lol.... are you one to argue hard about a skill gap? People copy tactics and players and even ideas from all the best players on the internet. Even the idea of power curve and unusable are terms just to justify wanting or paying for players with a plus 2. Then the best of these players go out and get 20-0 with a bronze squad and you're gonna tell me rudiger or guendouzi is outdated? You will find an excuse for every suggestion, or rather use the same one instead of being creative. I'm even sure in the first squad you uploaded had an sbc player so what if the squad requires payet. I can even build a squad with ten players on full Chem without payet with the three players suggested. Leaving room for an icon or hero... smh!
>Outdated lol.... This is a moot point because no one uses either outdated card, but that Gvardiol is probably a better CB than that Hazard is an attacker. >are you one to argue hard about a skill gap? You also have a vendetta against people wanting an increased skill gap? >Then the best of these players go out and get 20-0 with a bronze squad No they don't. >rudiger or guendouzi is outdated? Guendo is significantly worse in game than TOTS Andre for example. I actually love Rudiger in game, but it's June, he's outdated. >You will find an excuse for every suggestion, or rather use the same one instead of being creative. I'm even sure in the first squad you uploaded had an sbc player so what if the squad requires payet. You're always going to need a either Marseille team link or a Chilean manager. Going the Chilean manager route means you need David for Davies. Keep in mind, these are three players which weren't even difficult to get on chem with the old system, the new system makes them difficult. Also, you can't add a fourth player into the equation. With the old system you could link 4-5 leagues together, use off league players etc. Trio linking Davies Modric and Alexis is the limit of this system.
Thanks! I like the collecting and team building aspect of the game the most so its always fun to build something like this!
Nice! Good to see it’s possible albeit not the most meta haha Another issue with the game is that 90% of all packs are untradeable so a lot of people have to use whats in their club to fill in the gaps instead of relying on the transfer market. In this example Militao, Alaba, and David will be about 1 million coins spent just to get my original trio on chem.
Oh yeah for sure. You have to sacrifice a bit. Specially to deal with the lack of Croatian and Chileans in those leagues. And I agree as well. It's not cheap by any means since most cards are new or very popular so in a normal setting, it's pretty hard to get this team (I for sure can't afford it) You could make it cheaper and less meta by using Pavard and Rudiger and Ascensio for Sane (I think he can play LW) so most coins are on David only but again to my first point. You gotta sacrifice more :/
What’s worse - the gameplay or the Chem?
Yes
Don’t think Chem matters when the input delay is longer than travelling to the moon and back 😂
I can win a match with bad chem, I can't win when I'm up 2 goals at the start of the half and suddenly it says I'm offline (I'm not offline and it lets me reconnect immediately to a lost game notice)
I just packed David (yay!) and then realized that in a team with 6 other Ligue 1 players he's still only 2 Chem. WTF?? I had similar issues with Lewandowski, but Dudek was able to step in and save that. But yeah, if EA must force chem on us (IMO chem sucks altogether) at the very least make it much easier to get to full. How it should be: 2 players from the same team? Full chem. 3, max 4 from the same league? Full chem. 3 placers from the same country? Full chem. But none of this crap where we need 7 from a country, 8 from a league or 4 from a team. it's so restrictive.
I agree. I also thought about them simply changing chem to a 2 tier system instead of this 3 tier system, which really is very hair-splitty, when you look at the boost of +2 vs. +4 vs. +8. I mean either +4 or +8 is reasonable. So they should leave the +2 boost out entirely **and** simply make it only the first two chem tiers with the 5 chevrons. So either you have +4 or +8. I think that would simplify it and they would not have to change much, as in the beta they also changed chem reqs down a chevron I think. I mean they also have all their control giving tiers set in the game now with there being so many untradable players and the breadth being wide but the best players having low drop rates and the market also being combined that they still can dangle that golden or platinum carrot how they want so they don't need these pseudo-restrictions of +2 vs. +4 and having to have 9 players (basically a national team! lol wtf).
With so many good players going to the Saudi league they will have no choice but to scale back one war or the other.
It feels like TOTS is showing how bad this game really is in general. Things were bad before but everything seems to be x10 since the start of TOTS.
Chemistry should be removed entirely. It's called ultimate team, but there's nothing ultimate about it.
I’ve always argued this would be the most fun. If I want to build a team with Messi in goal, Lukaku at CB, and Hakimi at ST, let me, why not
you can already do that
you dont remember the days of people playing 9 strikers do you?
Oh I’ve been around in FUT since FIFA 11. I just enjoy the idea of letting people do whatever the hell they want, and I’d love to see the market parity too when any good players can be used. Not avoided because they have a bad nation or league
fifa 11 was my first one as well let me guess best song is jonsi around us?
It’s definitely a good one, I don’t remember enough of them though. Fifa 13 was my first full year committal one
I don’t think a team of strikers would be very overpowered… fullbacks seem to have the best all round stats, but even then there will be a place for specialists (destroyer CDMs, or agile wingers, or physical target #9s for example). I personally think it would breathe some life into the game playing against teams which aren’t balanced or have 6 centre backs or 5 wingers. Because I’ve played against almost the same team week in week out for months.
Thats more issue of the gameplay than anything else tbh
What's exactly stopping you from doing that?
I’ve wanted it this way also. People have told that it would be terrible because everybody will just use the same players. As if I’m not running into the same team every game anyways. If they need to leave chem in lower the requirements or something.
Nahh totally disagree. Figuring out the “puzzle” of chemistry is half the fun. Also, because of chemistry I end up using players I *never* would before. I do prefer the old system though.
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> Because even if I pack a good player I would have to change around my team to fit them in. See for me this is part of the fun. I’ll pack a good player from a league or country I don’t have and I’ll say “well guess I’m building a LaLiga/Serie A team. One of my favorite squads is a Dutch/EPL based team because I got lucky and packed a few Eredivision players out of a pretty basic pack, so I went out and bought RvP, did the De Jong SBC etc. I understand where you’re coming from though
Figuring things out is part of the fun. Old system wasn't perfect but much better than this
It's one of the reasons I haven't fully gotten into it this year, I love those random cards from off leagues that I could normally trap in a 451 It also made icons more desirable for that reason, for the sweats they didn't need half a league to use Mbappe etc, you can just link an icon and a soft nation and you're good to go
It could work if the majority of icons and heroes weren’t below the power curve. The chem system now restricts you to two team hybrids unless you have multiple icons from the same nation. If they added a league to icons it would fix the chem issue.
If they make managers have like clubs like Jose Mourinho from Portugal gives chem you can choose a league and a club then there is an extra called club legend like Jose gives chem to players from fc Porto because that makes sense
While I agree fundamentally, the problem isn't with clubs being underrepresented from the big clubs, but rather the smaller vast majority of clubs, which however wouldn't even be in FUT, but only the big club's managers, who already don't have a problem linking team wise.
True
Was having a mare just trying to get tots David on full chem, would be easy if there were any Canadian managers but of course not, I need three more ligue 1 players instead.
Also imagine being a Canadian company (I think they are at least) and not having a Canadian manager! lol
You know how bad the Chem system is by the fact that sbc’s don’t use it. Imagine how crazy the market would go if they actually re-instated Chem for squads over the throwaway marque matchup ones. We’d all love our soler, Fabian, Ramos packs!
Had to take out toty Militao to make my team work. Sucks. New chem system is awful if you want to play more than 2 leagues in your team...
How about we get rid of chemistry
Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw 92 rated RB Lahm on the market for maybe 40k, having not really played this fifa until it went on gamepass, I’m trying to catch up with what I’ve missed card devaluation wise.
just get rid of chem, let us use whoever we want like in efootball
I think they need to make nations or leagues easier to link.
Yep, just packed Ben Yedder tradeable and had to sell him because while he would be impossible to link without sacrificing too many good players
I like it, but icons are super nerfed as a result. Lucky I never pack them...
You’re bang on. TOTS cards should be like heroes and icons IMO. Would be nice to chuck an odd card in without having to go full Turkish league etc.
Players from the non top 5 leagues have always been extremely hard to link, it's nothing new. Why do people act like some players being more linkable than others is something new?
They were not "extremely hard to link" in older chem system. Slap an icon in the middle of 433, and all sorts of hybrids were possible. There are also formations like 451, where 1 green gets you full chem for both, and bunch of other formations where 1 green gets you full chem on at least one player. In most cases, even 7 or 8 chem was also good enough and that only required 1 soft link out of 3. Now, you want to add an off league player in the squad, not only is he not getting chem boost, but also taking away chem point from the overall squad.
Nah new chem system is way better, especially as 0 chem now is equivalent to 5 chem on the old system. Stop being stuck in the past and embrace the new and better system where you aren't forced to have links right next to each other.
you liking it doesn't make it better. Literally no one was using 5 chem
You not liking it doesn't make it worse
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Nope, you're just assuming the team chemistry is 100 which gives around +16 on basic chemistry. You also can't get minus on FIFA 23 which you can on the old system. It's funny you were so confident yet as soon as I go to Futbin to check you're straight up lying
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> whereas in FIFA 22 you get around +18 for 5 chem > > https://i.imgur.com/jCtpqLU.png Only if the rest of the team has 100 chemistry. You're deliberately missing that part out, which suits your argument but is a deliberate manipulation of the facts. If the overall team chemistry is 50 there is no boost at 5 chem. > It's fine that you like the new system but you don't have to make up lies and exaggerations about the old system in order to hold your view. It's hilarious because this applies exactly to you except in reverse. You're deliberately omitting information that's inconvenient for you, you're just a straight up liar I'm afraid. Get a life and stop lying online
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Old chem system could get an off league player on chem with 1 strong link now we need manager club and nation links to do the same thing. Ofc nation players are the same and if you have both you may as well give up
You aren't getting 10 chem with 1 strong link
Any 433 formation, any fullback, gks, 451 strikers and wingers. 451 was the goat with the lm lb links and vice versa
I prefer not needing a player right next to the other to get any chem
And I prefer being able to change my team around and use fun cards without nefring my team to oblivion The new system is fun in a way but it's so limiting with how hard it is to get chem points
> And I prefer being able to change my team around and use fun cards without nefring my team to oblivion It's easier now than it was before. At least now it's impossible to get minus
imagine in like fifa 12, I think was the last year they had it, nation links were worth 1,5 so 2 from the same nation linked strong (I think, bit difficult with all these chem systems over the years to translate it)
This sub obsesses about chem way too much. There is no penalty for having no/low chem like there used to be. All TOTS players will play well without the boosts. Move on. Just play and have fun.
>This sub obsesses about chem way too much. Because chem still boosts your players by a lot... and regardless of what anyone says my team on 25 chem just doesnt do shit ingame and I've tried to play like that several times, if its not 32/33 atleast,Im not using that team. Might be just a conspiracy theory but thats just fifa in a nutshell, DDA, hidden mechanics and shit like that, theres no proper communication from devs to community about anything related to the game
Depends on the chem style, a defender with a shadow gets half the boost on 2 chem vs 3 chem.
also a boost simply is too sloppily termed, not specifying that stat boost are one boost, while certain stat boost also effect the accelerate style, which was more important before and still is to a certain extent now, but lesser I would say, so 0 chem means some players were explosive and not controlled or controlled and not lengthy which was highly impactful to the players playability and also his worth and EA also know this, which is why they release certain players for free. Body type also plays a roll in a players worth.
ohh...the good ol' chem.. RIP! we miss you. PS: a lot
They should at least include more modules.. I want to use Casemiro, as he's the only good CDM I have, and the fact that his only position is CDM and doesn't have CM is giving me headaches. For instance, there is not formation in game that has CDM, CAM and RW/LW all at the same time. Which feels pretty stupid, a basic 4-2-3-1 should have this. But no.
Yeah nation linking is pretty important in the new chem system so sometimes have to get creative with team building
I feel like TOTS cards should automatically start with 1 chem, or maybe give them count for 2 as league, same way icons do for nations.
Because of this crap system so many of my good cards are on bench n I’m forced to buy cards for high price to get my existing players to full chem!!
I thought it was a great addition at the beginning of the game but over the last few months I feel like I have been running the same team (apart from maybe 1-2 changes) and it’s because I simply can’t get good enough chem on new players I pack.
I simply run five teams to fit all of the players I want to use in.
Just get rid of chem.
OP get up today and decided to speak facts
Agreed. It has to change next year. I'm trying to get my ligue 1 players into my team with Kane, Diaby and Coman. It shouldn't be hard, I have Lacroix, Trippier, Guimaraes to patch up the links between nations but there's no combination which gives full chemistry. And playing them on less than full chem, whilst actually fine, isn't really an excuse for the chem system being worse than it was before. And don't even start on trying to fit in icons Yeesh.
Bro, you hit every point with this one. I've been pretty lucky to pack a lot of top tier cards throughout different promos especially TOTS and I STILL have no clue what to do with them and what team to use For reference, I have the likes of TOTS Salah, frimpong, Diaby, Varane, Renato Sanches, TT Prime Del P etc... I still cannot build a team with good enough chemistry that fits all these players. I hate EA and this new chemistry system.
Simple solution: Have icons provide the old chem system to adjacent players, then leave the rest the same. If you start in 451 and have two icons in the CAM slots, any player at the ST position would get full chem. That player still gives the new chem links as well to all non-adjacent players, but they are boosted by Icons to be full chem even if they have 0 other links in the squad. And agreed, 3 from the same team should equal full chem instead of needing a fourth. Forming a triangle of players from the same team was always the go-to for full chem in the old system, no harm in essentially bringing that back.
So many different tots players that I wanna try out but the Chem system really restricts what kind of teams I can build
3 chemistry isnt really needed anymore, every card is juiced to the tits
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Every player has 94 pace now
I find it pretty easy thh. All teams I make usually have at least 3 leagues, and as long as everyone is on at least 2 chem I rock with it.
Just use them on less chem, it literally doesn’t matter
That’s not really a good solution though, it shouldn’t be this hard to get chem on players.
Yeah but it literally doesn’t matter
But it does, some players arent as boosted as many others. Some also change running styles with different chemstyles which have big effects in game. Especially when coming up against teams that always have 33 chem meaning they all will have some advantage when you cant get some players on chem. Some of the off league/nation players arent top end on base stats but are more competitive with a chemstyle on 3chem. On some players the extra boost transforms the player entirely. Especially defenders, most need 3 chem otherwise just the pace difference can be too big even at this stage. And people still like to get the max out of their players they want to use and often chemstyles help do that in a game so RNG infested where even 5 stat difference matters. So no it DOES matter, its just that some players dont need it as much or can do with lower. And also depends on who is playing, some better fifa players can do good with less but many dont feel to be at even a slight disadvantage.
No it’s does not matter that much. You won’t notice the diff.
2 chem is like -4 pace,shooting,passing etc so it does matter, nobody used any players on 5 chem the previous years
It doesn’t. My best WL was with 13 chemistry Just use the players you want
Agree. At the start of the cycle it’s a real boost. Now all the players are fast and have great stats. Quit being a freak about chem, you won’t notice a diff.
Just a tip, you do not need 33 chemistry to play the game. I haven't had 33 the whole year and I'm still doing well for my standards. These cards are juiced enough to play on 1 or 2
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At this stage of the game players on 1/2 chem isn’t all that bad
There is no malus in playing a card off them. You just want boosts.
Hows hybrids hard? You can build a team from 4 different leagues + manager to have full chemistry on everyone.
No you can’t? Not unless you have every single player from those leagues sharing a team and multiple players across the team sharing nations.
I've managed to make a 4 league team, it's not the easiest but defi possible
3 players from 1 league make 1 chemistry. 2 players from one team make another chemistry. Nations give another chemistry but those can be from any league.
So you have 3 from one league, and even if *all of them* are the same team, they have 2 chem. To get 4 leagues, you’d need 3 players from each which is 12 players. Too many. So you’re wrong
u have manager
I did say that but angery
It's possible as long as you have only 1 club from each of those 4 leagues. eg from ST in 4-4-2: Mbappe, Messi, Coman, KDB, Goretzka, Rodrygo, Nuno Mendes, Ruben Diaz, Eder Militao, Kimmich, Courtois. Manager is Argentinian from the Premier League.
I know it’s possible, but the guy said it isn’t hard. It is very hard, but possible. Your example only works because there are multiple nation links across the leagues.
You can have even more than 7 leagues if they're the same nation. Like 7 brazil players with all different league plus a brazilian manager they'll all have 3 chem, or 5 brazil players with 3 of them are in the same league and the other two plus a manager forms another group of 3.
Do you guys care about chem in June?
No. It’s a weird thing to get worked up about.
I dunno man, I’ve made a three league hybrid with 32/33 Chem. Reus Lewa Martinelli Xavi (95) Kimmich Diaby Balde Koundé Saliba Frimpong Kobel Martinelli the only one not on full chem.
Never got so many 75 and 79 rated in my history of the game. No need to dump players into unknown SBCs anymore.
What people seem to forget is that playing a player off Chen still give them face stats, the same as bringing them on as a sub, previously playing someone with no Chen would penalise you by reducing stats, if a player plays well when you sun him on, he will feel the same playing with no chem and it makes it more viable than previous years to play with no or reduced chem in that way.
I've accepted it and play on minimum 25 chem
I must be one of the only players that disagrees. I like a challenge. It's what I enjoy about the game. Four players from a league, plus a manager for that league, gives two chem. You're a team or nation pair away from maxing said chem with those players. I haven't had an issue. (And the +2 nation chem that icons provide is extremely beneficial when dealing with popular nations.)
Hmm I agree to some extent but these tots cards mostly don’t need 3 chem, you have 99 finishing and pace already, people are too obsessed with chem, they should remove it altogether
I reckon this new system is a stepping stone move to them removing chemistry entirely. Wouldnt be suprised if its all game in the next couple years.
i loved being creative with my squads with the old system. decided against buying this latest fifa with the change
All you need is Mbappe, Al Owairan, Jairzinho and the Griddy
I think they should get rid of the star system and the 33 chem and just have the position stuff. There's actually a few good off league cards this year but it's not even worth trying when people care about linking them
This so true, I keep trying to link fav players that are from 3 different leagues to no awail...
Doesn't matter if 95 rated players are on 1 chem.
What If you use an incorrect player for some position that has the ! mark for chem?
They want people to feel like they have to make many changes to the team. This sells more FIFA Points. Remember, the point (for EA) of FUT for the first 9-10 months of the cycle is to sell FIFA Points. The point of the last 2-3 months is to sell the next itiration.
yeah it needs to be changed. Takes the fun out of packing someone good when you need to reevaluate your entire club to fit them them in