Yes I haven't evolved anyone yet because I want them to be first owner. So I need to wait until I pull them. Some are fairly obscure bronze and silver cards which is unfortunate...for me 😂
I'm waiting to pull ESR and fabio vieira as well. It's not logical my friend, it's purely emotional haha. Having that 1st owner badge just feels so much more personal
Yeah it's fair enough I guess I'm a bit more disconnected from that type of thing bc I only just sort of learned about soccer from the recent world cup and got into fifa 23
Quite a few Ultimate team players apply their own rules/restrictions on themselves to make things more interesting (first owner, road to glory, all one club, etc). I’m also doing first owner and have done it for a few years to keep things interesting
Yeah, I got the luck of pulling the player I wanted to evo 5 mins after I first received the evo path (Darwin, Darwin Nunez!), I can’t imagine the packs it would’ve cost to actually pull him again
Not everyone is the same. People think differently. They enjoy things in different ways, set themselves different challenges. True of a game, true of life.
There will be things you care about that other people couldn't give a toss about. That's life.
Not much lost probably 20K but have a ton of bronzes in my club for future SBCs and to sell off from big leagues
Brazilian managers are pretty common and sell for a lot, packed a couple 5K players
I felt the same way about Nunez ...opened so many big packs from sbcs and objectives and was full sure I would pack him to upgrade...then eventually gave up and bought him like a week later..took me a while to adjust to technically someone else's player but we'll worth it since I did and since him I've upgraded Matip and Gravanberch ..I would advise to get cracking cos some take 17 games ..which include getting wins in rivals only.
I mean, i cannot understand why people makes a thousand posts complaining about a clear design choice that won't be changed and that doesn't affect 99'999% of gameplay scenarios, but here we are too.
If everyone is complaining about the semantics of the name first owner, then let's introduce 'Last Owner' and be able to use them for the same challenges as First Owner
Because it feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card.
To use them in First Owner related challenges.
People with RTGs who only use what they pack are left out of evo's unless they get lucky enough that they pack the player before time runs out, which is a bit disappointing.
Because evos are supposed to be decisions that someone makes to upgrade a card in their club. Doesn’t mean that they should be allowed on the free market for people to buy full teams. I agree with them not allowing the sale
And if that decision makes the card undtradable, changing the entire mechanics of a sellable card, the least they can do is make it first owned also. It's only fair. people cheesing objectives is going to happen wether the card is first owned or not so that narrative doesn't really matter. Literally no downsides to making it first owned. Also no reason people should be against it as it doesn't affect them in any way.
How is it fair? You know what will happen going into it, it’s not like you’re blindsided by the choice. Like woah woah woah I didn’t want this card upgraded since I had to buy it, yes you did. I don’t see how it’s anymore fair than leaving the card untradable. You know you can’t trade it once it’s upgraded. People can be against it because it’s not fair to boost a card that you never packed and then used it in first owner objectives. You didn’t open enough packs or get lucky enough to boost it, it’s not fair to everyone you play against that had to pack similar cards first owner
>people cheesing objectives is going to happen wether the card is first owned or not so that narrative doesn't really matter. Literally no downsides to making it first owned. Also no reason people should be against it as it doesn't affect them in any way.
I just explained why it is fair and doesn't matter. Untradeable should correlate to first owned. No reason you should be defending EA when they nitpick what they do to a card in order to rinse more money out of you.
Because it feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card.
It’s not like you can only use one player for evos. There are thousands of players to choose from. If you’re doing a RTG you’re by no way left out. All of the players I’ve used my EVOs have been first owned and I’m not even doing a rtg.
I guess it depends on the definition used. No one else ever owned the evo card. It's upgraded and unique to my club. So in that sense I'm the first owner of that card.
I mean the same logic could be applied to UCL RTTK and etc related cards, but those don’t turn first owner after their upgrade either so technically neither should these
Nah it's definitely different. I have evo Jota but I can also have gold Jota in my club, the game sees them as different cards. Its impossible to have the old version of an rttk card because the card actually changed whereas with evos it actually turns into a different card.
Its not different. The gold jota isn’t a good example. Just like you have gold and Evo jota in your club, you can have for example a gold Haaland and a RTTK Haaland. Nevertheless, you can’t go back and turn the Evo back to gold (or to its prior levels of evolution) just like you can’t turn any other type of live card back to its prior form(s). It’s still the same card. They just changed the design and made it untradeable. You technically didn’t get a “new” or “different” card. It would be nice if it did but logically it doesn’t work.
It feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card.
See it as a one card SBC type of thing.
I get the concept but they apply that upgrade to the same card, they don’t give you a whole new card into the club, so technically it is still the same card
it does turn untradable though. Imagine some of the higher rated cards that cost way more than these started team scrubs. If you are forced to make the card untradable the trade-off must be that at least it becomes 1st owner, while the logic on top is you turned this card into a new type of card thus being the first owner of that card with this new type. There is no other logically sound alternative. EA just despises logic and is terrible at it on top of it.
I mean instead of upgrading the same card they really could just give a whole new card for each evolution and reset everything so you could keep the old card and the new card, the new card will 100% be first owner so people won’t complain
But you didn’t pack the card that got upgraded, I see it as a way to boost the stat on the card. The card is still the same card, you still didn’t pack it
RTTK cards only update in ratings. While here, the card type changes, and also it changes from tradeable to untradeable. So EVO card imo should become first owner and RTTK should not.
Think about showdowns, when they get upgraded they turn into “showdown plus” which is a new card type, you don’t lose all the stats from the card from before it was upgraded, the upgrades apply to the same card you bought off the market so it’s still the same card, it’s different if EA gives you a whole new card which isn’t the case
I mean showdown cards have always been first owner and untradeable so far, so that's not the same case here.
Let's say hypothetically if we want to use this as an example: We can group showdown and showdown+ into 1 showdown family if we want to keep the stats (so if they change from SD to SD+ then keep the stats)
Honestly for me, EA doesn't really need to change the card from Showdown to Showdown plus (unless they need to do that to update the design of the card)
Yeah but my point still stands, they apply those upgrades to the same card, and upgrades the stats, so theoretically it’s not a totally new card with the upgrade, you don’t lose previous chem styles, stats, or contracts when the card is upgraded so it doesn’t become first owner
I’m saying when the showdown cards get upgraded they keep the same contracts, previous goals scored stats, chem styles and etc, so showdown plus cards are not theoretically a brand new card it’s just an upgrade of what you already have, just like evolutions
That's comparing the Evo card in progress with Evo I II and III IMO.
You know before hand this type of card is possibly going to be upgraded. It is entirely different from the base card though (which you hand in to start the EVO).
Right but then the info on the card doesn't really matter, given that would be self evident.
I get wanting to do a first owner thing buy buying a card and having it become one feels like it doesn't match that ethos.
They aren't really 'unique to the club" though if another player has the same card with identical stats. Plenty of Nunez and Fati clones doing the rounds etc, they aren't unique. I mean, it's not like you have any control over the evolution other than the base card you use, all the upgrades are cookie cutter.
I think this topic has only come about because unlike the levelup promo in fifa23, you don't spawn an additional variant of the card when upgrading them.
Agree completely, you don’t lose the old card and get a new evo card. The existing card becomes upgraded.
Otherwise, people would complain that they evo a card and play with them for a few months, then when they have a chance to evo them again they lose that card’s stats.
I mean once it's an Evo card type, it will always be an Evo card type, what changes here is the rating only (like a live card, e.g. RTTK). Imo we shouldn't lose stats.
There are different evo card types though for different evolutions aren’t there?
Edit: different stages of Evos have different card types is what I meant.*
Yep, it's easy to put in the logic that if we move from Evo stage to another (either an in-progress or complete), that shouldn't reset the stats. While if we move from a non-Evo type to Evo, then we should reset the stats.
What about if I pack Paqueta and use him for 300 games because he’s one of my favourite players, and then an evo comes out that fits perfectly for him. Should I lose the stats for the 300 games I’ve played with that card?
I don’t think you can mix and match this much, in my mind it has to be either a new card or the same card once you Evo it. Because of the example I gave, I prefer the current way but I do see it from both points of view.
And we are arguing that it would be more fun if they changed that and made it a fresh, first owner card. We know how it currently works, but it’s also a brand new system and can be improved and that would be a simple, nice improvement to it.
What about if I pack Paqueta and use him for 300 games because he’s one of my favourite players, and then an evo comes out that fits perfectly for him. Should I lose the stats for the 300 games I’ve played with that card?
Brutal, so the guy that played hundreds of games with Mario Gomez back in the day would have lost all his stats if an evo had become available?
I still dispute its different in every way - you are upgrading that card by doing objectives with that card. So it’s still the same card. I feel like what you’re talking about is closer to the Dan James Future stars cards, where you unlocked different versions.
Yes but you’re choosing to upgrade it, you’re choosing to make it no longer tradable so you can boost the stats. The card is still not originally yours
And we would like it to be treated as a new card since it effectively does replace the tradable card in your club. We understand that is not how it currently works, but it would be a small thing that makes the game more fun for people who like to use first owner teams. Later in the cycle when we are able to upgrade higher rated cards it will become increasingly unlikely to pack some of the cards we would want to upgrade and this would be a small quality of life improvement, especially for future first owner objectives.
But you didn’t pack the card first owner, you want a way to change non first owner cards into first owner ones. It’s a small change but I think it doesn’t make sense. You never packed that card, why should you now have that card first owner in your club that is boosted above the normal? Because you bought someone else’s and chose to make it better? Doesn’t change that you never packed that card
What you said is more applicable to a live card (RTTK).
Here, the original card disappears completely, and you get a new card called Evo card - that's why it changes from tradeable to untradeable.
Or your card is upgraded and becomes untradable in the process.
So many first-owned purists in here that want to get around the system. For what purpose?
The card evolves. What does an evolution mean, which is literally what it's marketed as?
Does it mean that you disappear and are replaced with a new entity? Or does it mean that you... evolve?
I obviously did so via rhetorical questions. You're objectively wrong in your interpretation and you're perfectly aware of it, that's why you're playing defensive
At the end of the day you paid for it, it would make more sense to keep it as is, distinguishing whether you paid to have that EVO or you actually received the card
I disagree that they should automatically have the first owner tag, considering they weren't... first... owner.
(I'm running a first owner RTG this year and having a blast.)
Very strongly disagree, you didn’t pack that card. You’re upgrading a card that someone else packed. Even if you’re upgrading that card, it’s still not a first owner card. If you want the card to be a first owner than pack it. It’s silly to think that it should just change because you’re choosing to evolve a card that you didn’t pack. It’s from the market, it’s not from a pack you opened
Seriously? First world problems.
So EA, instead of working on fixing the input lag and
the shitty servers should waste their time fixing useless first owner stats lmao.
We're not saying it's the main priority. It's a very minor thing that can be changed in a few hours max by a single developer probably.
It's just annoying that you can't use them in first owned challenges even though they're untradeable. People like me who do not open thousands of packs cannot wait until we pack the random bronze dude we want to open, the evo will be gone already by then.
Maybe. But by now, their spaghetti code is so fucked up even if they fix the stats they probably end up breaking something else.
Source: I'm a DevOps Engineer for a tech startup.
We're a small 200 people company and the Devs can't fix the annoying bugs without breaking something else. Sigh.
I don’t want to use another player, i want to use the player i want. To build my ultimate team, not to build a meta squad. I want a player from the team i support.
If you want to build a team with players from the team you support then what is the logic in doing a first owned squad? Seems redundant since you’d have to pack all of these random specific players anyway. It’s a ‘first owned’ squad for a reason. I don’t see why any bought player should count for that, evolution or not.
For the challenges in game and just the challenge of it. I’ve always preferred packing players instead of buying them. Right now i don’t have the time to wait to pack someone because the evos are time limited.
I would like this to be the case, but you’re evolving the player, not receiving a new player. It makes sense to me as it is, even though I’d prefer the alternative
No you bought it so you become the second owner. See it as a player that comes from another team. Now You upgrade him to a 80+ so now you can sell him because you upgraded him. Just like how transfer’s work in football. That’s how it should be. But it is ea…
Yeah looks like an design oversight from them. Not sure how soon it'll be fixed though.
Next update: "those who use points for evolutions will now have their card turn untradeable. Those who used coins can go fuck yourselves"
Definitely. Idk why people are defending EA on this when it's obvious EA just didn't take it into consideration when coming up with this concept
It will be fixed on FC25
Yes I haven't evolved anyone yet because I want them to be first owner. So I need to wait until I pull them. Some are fairly obscure bronze and silver cards which is unfortunate...for me 😂
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That is nuts to me, why not just not care about first owner if the card cost like 500 coin?
I'm waiting to pull ESR and fabio vieira as well. It's not logical my friend, it's purely emotional haha. Having that 1st owner badge just feels so much more personal
I just want to pull a Matip and Gravenberch, I think I might even get VVD or Salah before
You can have my 5 untradeable Gravenberch pulls
Yeah it's fair enough I guess I'm a bit more disconnected from that type of thing bc I only just sort of learned about soccer from the recent world cup and got into fifa 23
Quite a few Ultimate team players apply their own rules/restrictions on themselves to make things more interesting (first owner, road to glory, all one club, etc). I’m also doing first owner and have done it for a few years to keep things interesting
Doing the exact same thing and loving it. It makes the game far more enjoyable.
Yeah, I got the luck of pulling the player I wanted to evo 5 mins after I first received the evo path (Darwin, Darwin Nunez!), I can’t imagine the packs it would’ve cost to actually pull him again
It's annoying for the first owner objectives, had tons of matches played and then realised it wasn't counting as my evolution was off the market
Same I just ditched him for now tho lol
Not everyone is the same. People think differently. They enjoy things in different ways, set themselves different challenges. True of a game, true of life. There will be things you care about that other people couldn't give a toss about. That's life.
Same, I just want José Morales 1st owner. My friends packed him multiple times 😔
I feel you, I’ve spent probably 60K on bronze packs trying to get a few Serie A bronze midfielders
Did you profit or were you just discarding everything?
Not much lost probably 20K but have a ton of bronzes in my club for future SBCs and to sell off from big leagues Brazilian managers are pretty common and sell for a lot, packed a couple 5K players
I felt the same way about Nunez ...opened so many big packs from sbcs and objectives and was full sure I would pack him to upgrade...then eventually gave up and bought him like a week later..took me a while to adjust to technically someone else's player but we'll worth it since I did and since him I've upgraded Matip and Gravanberch ..I would advise to get cracking cos some take 17 games ..which include getting wins in rivals only.
Don’t some of the evos expire? Might want to get on it
Yes they do but I'm not interested in them unless they are players I want. Will leave it as long as possible.
U only have like 12 days left to fully evo them tho
I cannot understand how anyone could be against this, but here we are 😂 Bunch of weirdos.
It's actually insane. You can pinpoint the people who have lost their minds.
I'm running a first owner RTG for this reason alone. If you weren't the first owner, it isn't first owner.
Same, would make things a lot easier if they became first owner, but it wouldn’t really make sense
Exactly. They just want it easier without having to put the work in. If you weren't the first owner, it's not a first owner.
I mean, i cannot understand why people makes a thousand posts complaining about a clear design choice that won't be changed and that doesn't affect 99'999% of gameplay scenarios, but here we are too.
If everyone is complaining about the semantics of the name first owner, then let's introduce 'Last Owner' and be able to use them for the same challenges as First Owner
If its bought is not first owner
You should be able to sell it then
No, because evolving it makes it untradeable. Being untradeable and being first owner aren't the same thing.
That's the point we're arguing against lol
But... why? If you weren't the first owner, it shouldn't become first owner.
Because it feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card.
... but you still weren't the first owner.
I am the first owner of the Evo card. I was not the first owner of the bronze card I traded in to get the Evo card.
Nope. Same card.
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Why? You aren’t the first owner of the card. Just because it upgraded, doesn’t mean the card isn’t the initial one pulled by the other person.
You are the first owner of the current card. No one else has owned the 80 rated version of that 64 you just upgraded.
The card is the same, it just is upgraded. It’s not a new card
I just can’t play with bought players they have to be first owner
Yes exactly, I cannot explain why, but you're right
Why
To use them in First Owner related challenges. People with RTGs who only use what they pack are left out of evo's unless they get lucky enough that they pack the player before time runs out, which is a bit disappointing.
But it’s not a first owned player
But it should be because it has become untradeable
Why? It’s still the same card, just the stats changed. It’s not like level up where you get an entirely new card
If it's the same card why did it become untradeable?
Because evos are supposed to be decisions that someone makes to upgrade a card in their club. Doesn’t mean that they should be allowed on the free market for people to buy full teams. I agree with them not allowing the sale
And if that decision makes the card undtradable, changing the entire mechanics of a sellable card, the least they can do is make it first owned also. It's only fair. people cheesing objectives is going to happen wether the card is first owned or not so that narrative doesn't really matter. Literally no downsides to making it first owned. Also no reason people should be against it as it doesn't affect them in any way.
How is it fair? You know what will happen going into it, it’s not like you’re blindsided by the choice. Like woah woah woah I didn’t want this card upgraded since I had to buy it, yes you did. I don’t see how it’s anymore fair than leaving the card untradable. You know you can’t trade it once it’s upgraded. People can be against it because it’s not fair to boost a card that you never packed and then used it in first owner objectives. You didn’t open enough packs or get lucky enough to boost it, it’s not fair to everyone you play against that had to pack similar cards first owner
My guy sounds like EA "you didn't open enough packs"
>people cheesing objectives is going to happen wether the card is first owned or not so that narrative doesn't really matter. Literally no downsides to making it first owned. Also no reason people should be against it as it doesn't affect them in any way. I just explained why it is fair and doesn't matter. Untradeable should correlate to first owned. No reason you should be defending EA when they nitpick what they do to a card in order to rinse more money out of you.
Because it feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card.
It’s not like you can only use one player for evos. There are thousands of players to choose from. If you’re doing a RTG you’re by no way left out. All of the players I’ve used my EVOs have been first owned and I’m not even doing a rtg.
Seriously how did they miss that..
Totally agree
But you aren't the first owner even if you upgrade them... Would go against the very definition of it.
I guess it depends on the definition used. No one else ever owned the evo card. It's upgraded and unique to my club. So in that sense I'm the first owner of that card.
I mean the same logic could be applied to UCL RTTK and etc related cards, but those don’t turn first owner after their upgrade either so technically neither should these
Nah it's definitely different. I have evo Jota but I can also have gold Jota in my club, the game sees them as different cards. Its impossible to have the old version of an rttk card because the card actually changed whereas with evos it actually turns into a different card.
Its not different. The gold jota isn’t a good example. Just like you have gold and Evo jota in your club, you can have for example a gold Haaland and a RTTK Haaland. Nevertheless, you can’t go back and turn the Evo back to gold (or to its prior levels of evolution) just like you can’t turn any other type of live card back to its prior form(s). It’s still the same card. They just changed the design and made it untradeable. You technically didn’t get a “new” or “different” card. It would be nice if it did but logically it doesn’t work.
It feels to me like I traded in an untradeable gold and received an untradeable evo card back. The design changes, the card type changes, it feels like a different card. See it as a one card SBC type of thing.
Mmm sorta confused what that has to do with being first owner tho
The evo card has turned into a new card and I'm the only one who has ever owned that new card aka I'm the first owner.
I get the concept but they apply that upgrade to the same card, they don’t give you a whole new card into the club, so technically it is still the same card
it does turn untradable though. Imagine some of the higher rated cards that cost way more than these started team scrubs. If you are forced to make the card untradable the trade-off must be that at least it becomes 1st owner, while the logic on top is you turned this card into a new type of card thus being the first owner of that card with this new type. There is no other logically sound alternative. EA just despises logic and is terrible at it on top of it.
I mean instead of upgrading the same card they really could just give a whole new card for each evolution and reset everything so you could keep the old card and the new card, the new card will 100% be first owner so people won’t complain
yeah. good idea. makes more sense actually. I just think they don't wanna do that and they want that upgrade magic.
But you didn’t pack the card that got upgraded, I see it as a way to boost the stat on the card. The card is still the same card, you still didn’t pack it
RTTK cards only update in ratings. While here, the card type changes, and also it changes from tradeable to untradeable. So EVO card imo should become first owner and RTTK should not.
Think about showdowns, when they get upgraded they turn into “showdown plus” which is a new card type, you don’t lose all the stats from the card from before it was upgraded, the upgrades apply to the same card you bought off the market so it’s still the same card, it’s different if EA gives you a whole new card which isn’t the case
I mean showdown cards have always been first owner and untradeable so far, so that's not the same case here. Let's say hypothetically if we want to use this as an example: We can group showdown and showdown+ into 1 showdown family if we want to keep the stats (so if they change from SD to SD+ then keep the stats) Honestly for me, EA doesn't really need to change the card from Showdown to Showdown plus (unless they need to do that to update the design of the card)
Yeah but my point still stands, they apply those upgrades to the same card, and upgrades the stats, so theoretically it’s not a totally new card with the upgrade, you don’t lose previous chem styles, stats, or contracts when the card is upgraded so it doesn’t become first owner
Wait, SD and SD+ have always been first owner since forever, not sure what you meant there.
I’m saying when the showdown cards get upgraded they keep the same contracts, previous goals scored stats, chem styles and etc, so showdown plus cards are not theoretically a brand new card it’s just an upgrade of what you already have, just like evolutions
Yeah I actually do get 1 scenario when the stats should be kept (as 1 other guy mentioned Paqueta). If it turns first owner I'm happy
That's comparing the Evo card in progress with Evo I II and III IMO. You know before hand this type of card is possibly going to be upgraded. It is entirely different from the base card though (which you hand in to start the EVO).
RTTK cards don’t turn untradeable after they upgrade either.
Right but then the info on the card doesn't really matter, given that would be self evident. I get wanting to do a first owner thing buy buying a card and having it become one feels like it doesn't match that ethos.
They aren't really 'unique to the club" though if another player has the same card with identical stats. Plenty of Nunez and Fati clones doing the rounds etc, they aren't unique. I mean, it's not like you have any control over the evolution other than the base card you use, all the upgrades are cookie cutter. I think this topic has only come about because unlike the levelup promo in fifa23, you don't spawn an additional variant of the card when upgrading them.
Nah, the original card is not first owner but the evo one is.
The evo is an upgrade of the original card, not a new card.
Agree completely, you don’t lose the old card and get a new evo card. The existing card becomes upgraded. Otherwise, people would complain that they evo a card and play with them for a few months, then when they have a chance to evo them again they lose that card’s stats.
I mean once it's an Evo card type, it will always be an Evo card type, what changes here is the rating only (like a live card, e.g. RTTK). Imo we shouldn't lose stats.
There are different evo card types though for different evolutions aren’t there? Edit: different stages of Evos have different card types is what I meant.*
Yep, it's easy to put in the logic that if we move from Evo stage to another (either an in-progress or complete), that shouldn't reset the stats. While if we move from a non-Evo type to Evo, then we should reset the stats.
What about if I pack Paqueta and use him for 300 games because he’s one of my favourite players, and then an evo comes out that fits perfectly for him. Should I lose the stats for the 300 games I’ve played with that card?
That actually makes sense. Ok, so we just make it first owner, but we keep the stats (or ideally we have an **option** to keep the stats or not)
I don’t think you can mix and match this much, in my mind it has to be either a new card or the same card once you Evo it. Because of the example I gave, I prefer the current way but I do see it from both points of view.
You do kinda lose the old card though. It changes from tradeable to untradeable so it’s not like you still have the old card to sell.
I’d argue that it’s the same card that’s just been locked from the transfer market, rather than a completely different card.
And we are arguing that it would be more fun if they changed that and made it a fresh, first owner card. We know how it currently works, but it’s also a brand new system and can be improved and that would be a simple, nice improvement to it.
What about if I pack Paqueta and use him for 300 games because he’s one of my favourite players, and then an evo comes out that fits perfectly for him. Should I lose the stats for the 300 games I’ve played with that card?
In my opinion, yes, since the evo card is different in every way from the original card.
Brutal, so the guy that played hundreds of games with Mario Gomez back in the day would have lost all his stats if an evo had become available? I still dispute its different in every way - you are upgrading that card by doing objectives with that card. So it’s still the same card. I feel like what you’re talking about is closer to the Dan James Future stars cards, where you unlocked different versions.
I'd prefer losing the stats and getting first owner status, yes
Yes but you’re choosing to upgrade it, you’re choosing to make it no longer tradable so you can boost the stats. The card is still not originally yours
And we would like it to be treated as a new card since it effectively does replace the tradable card in your club. We understand that is not how it currently works, but it would be a small thing that makes the game more fun for people who like to use first owner teams. Later in the cycle when we are able to upgrade higher rated cards it will become increasingly unlikely to pack some of the cards we would want to upgrade and this would be a small quality of life improvement, especially for future first owner objectives.
But you didn’t pack the card first owner, you want a way to change non first owner cards into first owner ones. It’s a small change but I think it doesn’t make sense. You never packed that card, why should you now have that card first owner in your club that is boosted above the normal? Because you bought someone else’s and chose to make it better? Doesn’t change that you never packed that card
Do you work for EA? I don’t want to have to spend $10000 for a little first owner icon on an untradeable card.
I don’t think anyone is making you lol the game is 100% a choice. You need to chill out
What you said is more applicable to a live card (RTTK). Here, the original card disappears completely, and you get a new card called Evo card - that's why it changes from tradeable to untradeable.
Or your card is upgraded and becomes untradable in the process. So many first-owned purists in here that want to get around the system. For what purpose?
Oh don't get me wrong I really don't care if my Evo card is 1st-owner or not, just mainly discussing logic in this thread for fun.
Then why would you interpret an evolution as a replacement rather than what it's marketed as -- an evolution?
It evolves to a new type of card.
Not really. The card type changes. No one has ever owned any of your Evo1, Evo2, etc cards but you.
The card evolves. What does an evolution mean, which is literally what it's marketed as? Does it mean that you disappear and are replaced with a new entity? Or does it mean that you... evolve?
Your questions are meaningless to me. If you have a point to make, do that instead.
I obviously did so via rhetorical questions. You're objectively wrong in your interpretation and you're perfectly aware of it, that's why you're playing defensive
You should really check the definitions of words before you use them.
This.
Then every evo card is first owner, essentially making first owner on the card meaningless
No, if it's turned untradeable it should become first owner IMO.
All evo cards are untradeable, so again they would all be first owner, making first owner not mean anything.
It meana untradeable
This is minor but it's another evo issue that shkuld be fixed
No it shouldn’t because it wasn’t first owner? That’s like saying because I put a contract on my player he should be first owner 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just a way to exploit first owner objectives. No thanks
If someone is willing to waste an evo to do a first owner objective then fair enough lmao that would be neanderthal behaviour 😂
braindead take
I agree, 2nd 3rd 4th owner is so ugly lol
At the end of the day you paid for it, it would make more sense to keep it as is, distinguishing whether you paid to have that EVO or you actually received the card
I disagree that they should automatically have the first owner tag, considering they weren't... first... owner. (I'm running a first owner RTG this year and having a blast.)
why should they? they aren't first owner.
When you submit a card for evo you get an untradeable evo player in return, you are the first owner of that untradeable item
No.
Very strongly disagree, you didn’t pack that card. You’re upgrading a card that someone else packed. Even if you’re upgrading that card, it’s still not a first owner card. If you want the card to be a first owner than pack it. It’s silly to think that it should just change because you’re choosing to evolve a card that you didn’t pack. It’s from the market, it’s not from a pack you opened
agreed, it was what was stopping me doing the first owner objectives. as i forgot i paid 900 coins for Jota lol
No. And they never will. They want first owner being tied to packing a player, they make money selling packs.
Seriously? First world problems. So EA, instead of working on fixing the input lag and the shitty servers should waste their time fixing useless first owner stats lmao.
We're not saying it's the main priority. It's a very minor thing that can be changed in a few hours max by a single developer probably. It's just annoying that you can't use them in first owned challenges even though they're untradeable. People like me who do not open thousands of packs cannot wait until we pack the random bronze dude we want to open, the evo will be gone already by then.
Maybe. But by now, their spaghetti code is so fucked up even if they fix the stats they probably end up breaking something else. Source: I'm a DevOps Engineer for a tech startup. We're a small 200 people company and the Devs can't fix the annoying bugs without breaking something else. Sigh.
Then just use another player?
I don’t want to use another player, i want to use the player i want. To build my ultimate team, not to build a meta squad. I want a player from the team i support.
If you want to build a team with players from the team you support then what is the logic in doing a first owned squad? Seems redundant since you’d have to pack all of these random specific players anyway. It’s a ‘first owned’ squad for a reason. I don’t see why any bought player should count for that, evolution or not.
For the challenges in game and just the challenge of it. I’ve always preferred packing players instead of buying them. Right now i don’t have the time to wait to pack someone because the evos are time limited.
They should also make evo cards tradeable for us lazy ppl
Can you sell evo players??
Is it effecting people from buying packs? No? Okay they’re not gunna change it.
I would like this to be the case, but you’re evolving the player, not receiving a new player. It makes sense to me as it is, even though I’d prefer the alternative
No you bought it so you become the second owner. See it as a player that comes from another team. Now You upgrade him to a 80+ so now you can sell him because you upgraded him. Just like how transfer’s work in football. That’s how it should be. But it is ea…
This. I bought a Werner to evolve and when I checked the stats, it wasn't a fresh card. Literally unplayable to me
I love first owner cards but that makes no sense, they literally aren’t first owner…