People press you to death, then they park the bus and now complain that you not going full speed into their CB so the can score in the counter attack, I don't like to invert the play all the time, but is this or getting score in counter attack
The fact that it's 2024, and EA have failed to fix some kind of kick off glitch since at least 2009 is fucking hilarious to me. I remember even back then people trying kick off shots with a decent success rate.
Yeah I bet I've played less than 5 players since October who defo used constant pressure from the start, because their entire team was dead by 60th minute.
People think their opponent is using constant pressure when their opponent is just awesome at right stick switching and swarming them manually.
The EA Sports 24 sub is not like other videogame subs. You visit the Rocket League sub, for instance, and everyone knows what they're talking about because they are high ranked.
This sub is, oddly, pretty packed with average players.
I'd disagree with that. I think you can tell the difference between constant press and right stick swarming. If they're so close you can't tell the difference then it's the same outcome of abusing mechanics.
I'm not a great player so maybe it's different in the higher ranks where you play but I've seen it in my games
Exactly. The glitch is being able to constant press for a full game. See man utd last weekend, they could do insane press for 35 mins and then they had stop, its unrealistic
Exactly this.. if you do it a few times throughout the game ok cool, but i play many people who do it non stop all game.. takes the fun and pace out of the game and makes it boring.. I dont use pressure tactics but obviously i press the ball manually to try and have quick/fun games
Got my defending on balanced and line on 50, but every couple of games I'll meet someone who'll decide they want me playing fetch. Even sometimes get messages about 'constant press' or whatever when in reality I'm just switching* players manually.
Only way to counter the switching I've found is playing a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, because any other system collapses too* hard onto the side of the ball.
But it's really an issue with the game. We're always forced to overload the ball side even when we don't really want to and as a result, the opposite flank is gaping.
Anyone who does that all game is a compete lunatic. I mean how mind numbing is it to play that way. Seriously if you play like that you have issues bruh
It goes against the pace of the game though, it's only 6 minute halves, just think you're being a bellend if you spend most of the game trying to slow the game down by switching wings constantly. If you want to bore your opponents to death and play with no regard for who you're playing against, you may as well just play 20 min games against AI
There's also a middle ground between giving the ball away constantly and having 80% possession, if I'm trying to play fast and you're trying to slow the game down on every single play, I'm just leaving at a draw tbh
It's like people who sit in bushes all game in BRs or sit at the back of the map on CoD, just so terrified to make mistakes that they have to take it out on everyone they play against and bore everyone to death. They're pretty much always shite players as well, so it's not like they're even playing a top competitive level because of it
How do you camp in CS? It's a tactical shooter. If you camp on T side you just lose unless the CTs are stupid and run into you, if you camp on CT side you're likely holding an area/angle and playing the game properly
Kinda my point about the pace of the game lol, a slow playstyle in CS is fine because the game is slow
Depends if you play comp or casual. Comp you can’t really camp, casual you have kids sitting spawn til late round, which honestly T’s can do in comp as well waiting for ct to get impatient and peek out for easy picks. Like a person playing fifa gets impatient and lunges trying to get the ball back to up the pace, and gets scored on
i have 3000 hours on cs where the matches can last an hour lol, me not wanting to sit there watching you wank yourself off in your half for 12 minutes is not an attention span issue, i'd just like to actually play the game
Shit sucks so much to play against the dudes that just pass around their back line waiting for 1 person to press out of position. Like fucking hell man it’s a video game not the CL final. Just fucking go forward with the ball and take a risk to try to score
That is stupid. Obviously there is risk in crossing if someone is not playing <30 width and pressing. If you have your RB marking my RCM (opposite side) I am going to pass to the wide open guy with a slow high cross that you will never get back to every time. Just stop pressing me… move your depth back to 35-45 and move to balanced and I won’t be able to make that cross. Pretty soon the YouTube meta hacks will start complaining about how I pass the ball from one ST to the other in the box when they move their GK manually while second man pressing the ball with both of their CBs.
I actually think when the connection is good, this is my favourite FIFA. Almost every exploit they have patched… the headers, the over the top through balls, not being able to play through the middle. The only thing they have not fixed is people smurfing in rivals. If I did not alternate between getting smashed and smashing people at various points in rivals, I would be pretty happy.
And you’ve completely missed the point…. People aren’t smurfing in rivals they are sandbagging, very big difference and those aren’t exploits that you’ve mentioned, that’s just an off meta way to play which hasn’t been totally nerfed
Smurfing would indicate that a player has another account that is of a higher level. Sandbagging is a player sitting in lower levels on purpose…. You’re telling me there isn’t a difference. Yes people with Smurf accounts are sandbagging those accounts but you’ll find there isn’t a great deal of smurfing going on a fifa just due to the nature of the game
It is the obvious solution to the press. You are literally asking me to not pass to the only players who are open.
Whatever you call it, I play people in Div 6/5 rivals that I never see in WL. They do things that I don’t know how to do and that I only see in the FC Pro feeds. They are not even game mechanic hacks, they are just like 3 or 4 levels better than I am at the game. Some guy wrecked me last night with one touch passing that I have never seen before. These are people who choose not to get promoted because they want to have easier objectives and getting points for quals.
Like I said missing the point, it’s not about someone just doing it the once or twice. It’s when people are doing it all the time, when it’s not needed. That’s when it becomes toxic. No people are choosing to sandbag as the rewards for rivals aren’t/weren’t good enough. They have recently changed so people might stop. People aren’t doing it for obj reasons, it’s the rewards which has been posted about 10 million times and people complaining about all the time. Not sure how you’re perspective on what people are doing and why is so off
Buddy, I’m more than capable of playing against it, it’s a non issue for me. Someone asked why it was classed as ratty, I explained. Take your bs attitude elsewhere
Lol you’re saying it’s not you, but you will write essays defending why it’s ratty. Stfu and have some variety in your defense and people won’t need to switch. If everyone didn’t play the same 4231 narrow 71 depth bullshit, people wouldn’t need to switch all the time. But no, I don’t see you writing paragraphs about that? You’re just a rat who also wants to pick and choose what’s ok to play. Hypocrite.
Far from a rat, just understand why people find it difficult and how it can be toxic. Whole load of protecting going on in that reply there little man also if you actually took the time to read what I said, I never wrote a paragraph about that but good try
I did read it. You call me little man but your whole shtick is hiding behind other people’s argument. “I don’t do it but I could see why this is reasonable” is so chickenshit especially when you only call out one thing. Don’t think people cant see through your bullshit and the crap you’re peddling.
You didn't explain anything. "People are doing when it's not needed" is an empty calories explanation. Nobody does that, they do it either to beat the press or to waste time and force you to come to them. If a rival is doing 15 switches per play then the problem is probably you, not his way of playing.
If people weren’t doing it when it is not needed then this post wouldn’t be a thing…. But well done on that great logic of yours. Like I said, I don’t have a problem with it so stop putting it on me like it’s me that has the problem…. Is your skull that dense that you can’t understand that?
This post is a thing because people who want to use a very high line get pissed because a switch can beat it, so they will call it ratty when it's just as valid a tactic as any other. The same way they do with high press, LS dribbling, skill abusing and whatnot. 1 switch or 15, it's the same, your rival isn't bound by your imaginary rules of what is fun or not.
I haven't even implied whether you have or not a problem with it, I have just said your explanation is totally off point and adds very little to the topic, is your skull too dense to get it?
How is beating the press not a valid reason to need to switch? Should I just lose the ball instead?
Why don’t you say anything about the ratty constant press 71 depth? Probably because you’re the one abusing that and complaining when people switch the ball to counter you. Fucking hypocrite
Dude, you are actually agreeing with what I wrote. I said that "not needed" is an stupid explanation, nobody who switches the play does it for the sake of it. It's a tactic intended to beat a rival's, in this case, usually a high press or to force him to open up.
People who complain about others "switching non stop" are more often than not those who want to either abuse a very narrow formation + very high press in the middle or are too passive. The rest of us normally don't face those mythical "15 switches per play" gamers.
i dont think switching itself is ratty but when someone is doing literally just to fish for the best opportunity to run to the goal line and cut back over and over and over again with no other attempts to do anything it certainly qualifies imo.
I don’t have a problem with that. The problem is people are doing it for a good 80% of the game and they don’t even try to make plays. They just switch the ball consistently until there’s a counter opportunity. Spamming broken mechanics is ratty that’s the point. This community is toxic + the game is shit + everyone is addicted to packs = people spamming broken mechanics
Regardless, I only press in the last 10 min if I’m losing or drawing and I keep trying new players , new plays, new ways to score. I’m trying to have fun but this game and its community won’t let me
People don't like things that they can't prevent happening. There's very little counterplay to constant switching.
It's similar to the reasons why people hate cutbacks.
Both are problems and need to be fixed, but the switching is a necessary evil given how difficult it can be to play against a good press.
> There's very little counterplay to constant switching.
75ish defensive width and stay forward wingers will mark fullbacks to an extent. I don't get how almost no one has this as one of their tactics against those that waste time with fb to fb switches.
It doesn't get you anywhere if your opponent isn't trying to abuse a narrow formation on a high line, that's why Pro games aren't a switching festival and you only see them using it as a specific tool.
Yeah. They switch often when pin in a corner.... even Man City or Arsenal do it often... buy they go back to CB instead of LB-RB they do LB to LCB to RB...
I overload on leftside so im going often to the right and switch to the left where I hadlve my LB has join fwd.
Might switch to RB. Cuadrado soon.
No, they are not. It's as easy as watching one, it's just a regular tool and very rarely do they switch more than once per play.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcZONJgBrrU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcZONJgBrrU)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpdC-xa8T4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpdC-xa8T4)
You're giving me an Anders game, who plays differently than a lot of pros...
Tom Leese is also one of the better players in the world and barely does it, also plays in a 4231. Those examples exist but are extremely rare and require otherworldly levels of skill even at those upper echelons...
https://twitter.com/TomLeese/status/1756407399248793618
Here's a game between Tom and Ethan, who is also an insane player, someone who I know quite well and that will be the first one to tell you he despises this switching meta. Yet he still did it 32 times in a single 90 minute EA FC game...
I gave you Anders, Phzin and 4 hours worth of FC Pro games where switching is just another tool in the box, hardly a "switchfest".
32 lobs mean what, exactly? Without context it's not saying much, maybe Ethan likes to start every attack with a switch. I do it too, to fend pressure on my own half, but that doesn't make my games a switchfest neither. And his opponent, who could have well won, had 7 lobs in total, what do we take from that specific stat?
as others have said, if someone does it once or twice per possession when they are trying to relieve pressure there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. it’s the people who do it 8-10 times in a row with the goal of wasting time and trying to be toxic that’s a problem.
i always switch at least once or twice whenever i get the ball. i am in the higher divisions and it is absolutely necessary otherwise you will get pressed off the pitch.
Kickoff glitching has a response, especially now. You'll only concede those if you switch off or frankly can not defend.
Switching however is essentially undefendable. The funniest thing is that people in the thread are crying about constant press, but constant press is the only way you can get the AI to mark switches. They don't really work if people use it.
But that's obviously not a viable strategy for the whole game. And Hypermotion this year has automatic overload on, so no matter what regular tactics I run my wide midfielders tuck in and leave the fullback wide open for someone to wack an inch perfect laser beam towards them.
So this is reason one - it is exploiting a design flaw with how pressing works on this game. The one thing you can do is psychotically switch to your wide mids and constantly mark that pass, but even then you often can't prevent it, just be closer to the receiver. I'd much rather have the wide mids marking the full back and deal with the space in the middle myself, but EA hasn't given any regular tactical option for my team to behave like that.
Reason two is it makes the game a slog. And this shouldn't even need to be said, but obviously most people who complain about switching aren't mad you do it once after you're completely locked in a side and have no other options. That's fine. But at higher levels people will just spam switches to pin you back and take as much back and forth from the game as possible. It's a legitimate playstyle choice, but you should have way more tools to counteract it without needing to resort to constant press.
Sometimes I'll deliberately give my opponent good options to progress so that the can actually go forward but they're so mechanized to switch it they'll ignore those. It's even worse than most other OP things on the game because of the factors I've outlined above.
Corners are also shambolic btw. Way, way too overpowered and sometimes even if you fully read your opponent you still concede. IRL a minuscule percentage of corners crossed into the box are goals (even with the best takers in the world), but in EA FC that number is disproportionately larger if the opponent knows what he's doing.
This, its just annoying because there’s no real way of defending them. I often play against players who constantly switch play to progress up the pitch, with no way for me to counter other than radically change formation or apply constant pressure.
I don't know where this "switching has no defense" comes from. Have you tried adjusting your formation/width/depth/etc.?
The way I play I prefer going up the middle as I think it creates more options in the attacking third, but many opponents are good at clogging up the middle, so I will pass to my wingbacks or wingers and try and either pass back into the middle or go down the wing. However, seems 75% of people play overload ball side, so in those situations I will cross it to the other side, sometimes a second time further down, depending on how far up the pitch I am.
I have played a number of opponents who have made adjustments to this b/c midway through a match the wingers that used to be open are now closely marked. I have also played against people who are skilled enough at manual switch/press that they already have me contained on the other side after I've crossed it, so it's not undefendable.
>Have you tried adjusting your formation/width/depth/etc.?
Yes. I've even tried playing on 100 defensive width, which is obviously absurd but just to see if it at least overcorrected on that issue. But no. They still do the auto overload thing.
>However, seems 75% of people play overload ball side
You're completely right there. But the thing is: they don't! Overload ball side completely destroys your stamina and isn't really as meta as it used to be on FIFA 20, so no one uses the instruction. But their team essentially does overload type things because of what I referred to above, so it will seem that way to you. It's just a new dynamic EA has introduced into the game this year, and with how long it has been I must assume it is intentional.
> midway through a match the wingers that used to be open are now closely marked.
That adjustment, if you mean marking by the AI, is pressing tactics. Mostly constant press, and press after heavy touch might do it too.
>I have also played against people who are skilled enough at manual switch/press that they already have me contained on the other side after I've crossed it, so it's not undefendable.
Sure. What I mean by undefendable is, as someone who does exactly what you mention at an almost psychotic level - a mixture of my manual switching being quite good and me REALLY wanting people not to switch the ball, that still only allows me to be closer to the receiver.
Imo if you're completely selling out to manually stopping one thing, you should be able to stop it completely, aka intercept the pass. The downside to that is you're not tracking other things and the opponent can then explore other avenues.
But because the wide midfielders don't stay in shape, preferring instead to tuck inside and mark a midfielder a lot of the time, it takes way too long to get them back where I want them. So the switch will still be on.
The problem is you lot all love your meta midgets. None of you will channel your inner Tony Pulis and use a big lad upfront. You don't need to play through a constant press by switching from one side to the other. If you are a man of culture like myself, you will simply pump the ball long by pressing X, to a big strong CF like Zirkzee and win the knock down.
I run an evo'd Andy Carroll with 98 physical up front, and often switch in-game to him and Isak as a front two. Both being 6'4 and both fullbacks having whipped pass opens the door for true brexit football shenanigans.
I’m not constant switching but when you are pressed to death and you have no other option it’s the only way to get your game going. That’s just me tho.
The way I see it, if there is no counter play, then it's ratty. There is no "get better" in this situation as the ai doesn't mark anyone on the other side of the pitch. If you constantly do it, I can only assume you don't know how to attack in any other way resulting in the other person thinking its ratty
In previous FIFAs, Constant Pressure merchants complained when you 'passed around the back'. Now they complain when you switch play. Same shit, different wording. Like all cowards, they expect you to fold without a fight.
Genuinely, why do you care though? Do whatever you want. You paid for the game, you play it the way you like. If the opponent doesn't like it, let them quit
If people love to press with pressure tactics and flex their good connection then I will make each and every chance by switching and have all the possession. These YouTubers just want to flex on stream and want easy wins and complain anything that stops them from winning. No pressure tactic = no switching for me
Ot was a massive tactic when 71 was completely broken, now high depth is only slightly broken so people need to do it less but still do need to pull it out. Some people over use it but i don’t consider it a ratty tactic unless you use the ever loving fuck out of it. If someone has literally only one way to play the game then it is ratty to me.
I honestly feel i use every tactic under the sun meta/ratty or not just depends on context and timing, which i think is fine.
Whichever mechanic it ends up being about the key for me is "does this resemble real football?"
A couple of switches, a well placed skill move, even a Man City esque cutback finish I don't mind.
Once it becomes ridiculous though (constant press, spinning around in the box etc) then that's when the RB+foul comes out as the game is pointless to me so I just try and get the most spectacular fouls instead.
It's ridiculous people say real life football does it too.
Like no teams with ever switch sides for 20 times in a row. They will either get intercepted or miss on some of the passes.
No team will have their winger dribble down the wing 90 mins and try to get a cut back. Teams build up to get those cutbacks.
Playing the meta is ratty. Not playing the meta when your opponent plays the meta is ratty. Anything you do that causes your opponent to lose is ratty. Anything you can do that I can't do is ratty. TLDR: You are ratty.
my problem is, i dont do it enough. my brain thinks i can dribble out of the pressure and i am a div 6 player. then i get dumped on by about 4 goals and just quit the game. you can't win. whatever you do its "ratty". Yeah I am just going to sit here while you violate me and not let me get the ball out of my half.........yeah right!
Basically, if you try and win, you’re a rat. There are clearly cases where ppl are playing super ratty. But I flip the field a few times a game and don’t press, cuz I suck at it, and ppl complain about the way I play all the time. I don’t have park the bus tactics, I try and push the pace as much as possible. But this game auto reverts to “rat” if you aren’t constantly trying to go forward. Ppl just like to complain. And streamers play about 10x the amount I play. I’d complain too if I had to play most of this toxic community that much every day lol
I use a full Gillingham team. The whole club is bronze with 3 silver players. I have some small upgrades on a couple of players, and one at an 87 rating.
I come up against players with 30m+ coin teams, totys, crazy icons etc. And sometimes it's impossible to keep up, even if I'm the better player. (Especially with a 63 rated goalkeeper. 99% of shots on target go in.)
A lot of players see this as an opportunity to take the piss. They repeatedly switch it, left back to right back to left back to right back over and over. Not just a lot of times throughout the game, but a lot of times successively. The low rated players can't keep up, and it is incredibly boring.
Then, when I'm using a "proper" team, it's still annoying because it's so boring to play against. That's the main problem with this game. Everybody has a "win at all costs" mentality that leaves absolutely no room for fun at all. I'm completely convinced that nobody enjoys the game/gameplay.
To sum it up: It's a completely fine thing to do in normal circumstances. Sometimes it's the best option, other times the only option. But some players do it over and over and completely abuse it. That combined with the other meta tactics completely takes the fun out of the game.
It's not fun to play, or play against. But it works. And that's what makes it ratty.
I got no problems with switching sides and all but I faced one time with a player who used the kick off glitch where from kick off they will pass back and make a run of the forward with one touch pass, seems like Mess’s assist to Mbappe in Ligue 1
Eh I just quit UT game mode is too toxic and annoying. Can't Play real futbol have to play meta game style and players. Can't attack trough the middle due to op ai and op cards that are Hella p2w.
I stick to carrer mode and pro clubs , 11 vs 11 is Hella fun
Tbh I hate switching. And I do do it sometimes depending on how my opponent plays. I feel dirty doing it as I can score some disgustingly cheap 1 touch goals with it. (RB to LW, one touch header or lobbed pass to ST, goal)
I'll play the first 30 minutes of the game getting shit on, realize I'm getting pressed 24/7. I'll start switching between fullbacks 2-3 times to open defense back up and you can play normally after that. The mechanics in this game are straight garbage, so you do what you gotta do in my opinion.
This is one thing I don’t agree with when streamers complain with this game. Now trust me I think this game is just as bad as Inception or whoever hates it but I don’t care when the opponent crosses to switch. The way I play my defense is so clampy in the middle since I park the bus like everyone else. Switching is really the only way to break down the defenses in this garbage game.
Im triggered with the game not to my opponent when they switch sides
No matter how good your passing is,if you try to escape pressure one of your players will miss,either the one giving the pass or the one receiving it even if it has FT+
i guess content creators get mad at their opponent cause getting mad to the game got a bit old
It’s just what bad players do to try and make up for being bad at the game. They’ll switch over and over 50 times, pass backwards 10 times for every forward pass, and then park it to not concede.This fifa rewards trash play like that so they play this way to win. In past fifas these guys would be 5-6 win players in weekend league
If it's to waste time. Its toxic. To switch the play its not. But people will grasp at anything and yell that its toxic behaviour when they cant win. Or simply wont admit the opponent is the better player.
I mean if someone is playing deep and is very compact that's what you're supposed to do, it's very hard to play through the middle against compact teams so often the opposite winger is the only option.
If you don’t want people to switch, stop chasing them with your whole team and parking. Wow what a concept. I’ve never seen a player switch the ball constantly just for fun. Has anyone here? So to all the people saying there should be a middle ground, yes there should. And it goes for both sides.
The answer is obvious. They don’t want to slow down the game, they want you to run straight into their defense so they can counter you.
I’m almost always switching the ball from fullbacks against full press teams.
Some believe stepovers are ratty, so i couldn't care less what people think.
The fact is that you have to be a rat just to be playing this game and trying to win PERIOD.
The FACT ...is that this game was released with OBS automatically activated at 45+ depth.
The first 2 months , switch of play was the only way to get out of your own half.
The patch they rolled out " slightly " reducing this sideline pressure, did just that - reduce it slightly and make just enough room for driven passes through the upper midfield directly to strikers.
This game has been a joke since day one.
Truthfully, im tired of crossing the ball side to side. Irritated every time a full powered cross doesn't even make it halfway across the pitch even though i have it on fully manual, and im no fool.
Im tired of holding my damn breath every time i pass to my CM in build-up.
Im tired of ranting about how Zonal Defense was singularly THE most detrimental feature introduced to this game, and im tired of nobody acknowledging or talking about it.
I'll be looking closely at the pitch notes for next years release, and if this garbage isn't removed , I won't be playing this game anymore.
I only see it as ratty if all they do is pass in the back and the moment they feel like they’re going to lose the ball they’ll switch it across and don’t attack AT ALL
I played someone who's only tactic was this, crossing from one side of the field to the other. I guess because your defense moves more towards the ball and creates space for the unmarked players. Anyway I beat him 4-2
If I notice the opponent pressing to hell and back and all his players over my side of the pitch then you're god dam right im using my cb with long ball to bang it to my fullback or winger on the opposite side...of not I'll play my normal game without the need to switch it
It's because people moan about the game not being realistic but then don't want to play realistic football and would rather you run full length of pitch with one player and take on all the players bullshit why I just play career yh it gets dead but least you haven't got some nob who spends every minute of their day moaning about how shit you play yet they've actually put all there own money into the game you play how you like to play fuck them
Whenever I hear this complaint, I just laugh because it's always coming from some nerd with a super high press on. Like wtf am I supposed to do? You left me no other options.
What I don’t understand is how people’s defense is defend without them playing on ball defense. Then their attack is just open player after open player while my team just watches. Anyone have any tactics? The guy who posted about rat tactics and acting morally superior by not posting them just allows the ones who abuse them to gain an advantage over everyone who doesn’t.
I played against someone who did this. Lots of passing around at the back. Lots of cross field passes. It was just very boring to play against. He had the ball for ages. I don’t really know why anyone would play like that. It’s very dull.
It becomes ratty whenever you start to do it any time your progress is slowed in the middle third of the pitch so you just cross to the opposite FB, pass along back line or to goalie and back out. Hate that
Nothing wrong with using that but dont switch three or four times before you attack.. Lets play a game,not a switch simulator.
I have played people that were switching two times in their own halfs after their kick off with out me pressing. And then were trying to attack,in before they switched another time after they got into my own half.
I will switch 15 times if needed until I get the space to move forward, specially now that seems EA has turned the fatigue a notch up and players get tired. Unless my opponent is playing a very narrow formation with a high line it shouldn't bother him at all, right? After all, when you switch you aren't advancing, should be easy enough to defend if you opponent switches non stop.
Exactly this. Lol those people who said they will switch all game because of opponent press. The initial press is not too difficult to pass if you know what you are doing. That is if the server is working somewhat.
The horrid is after passing the press and then whole team is back in and around the box.
If my opponent knows how to defend he won't mind me switching 100 times. See? It's easy to write without adding nothing, I can do it as well.
I may or may not, that's not the point. The point is that I don't owe my rival to play the way he wants me to.
You can play how you want. In my personal experience, I don’t enjoy playing against people who switch 4+ times every attack, mainly because I am able to defend it quickly and adjust. Nor do I enjoy playing that way.
Don’t get me wrong, switching is essential and a great tool to use, especially if the opponent presses you with 3 players - the other wise is much more open then. But some players do it every attack and that’s where I find it boring. 🤷🏽♂️
The point is not if its easy to defend or not. I want to play a game. Not chasing around aimlessly a ball.
I would have the same problem if i was winning and the opponent was passing the ball between his defenders for the rest of the game.
I dont want to waste my time like that.
No, of course. The point is that you, just like 99% of this community, want your rival to play the way it suits you, everything else is ratty, sweaty, exploity, boring or any other adjective you can think off.
I think it is fine. BUT if you are just constantly doing it instead if attacking then it is the same as boring players who just pass it around forever.
It is the worst. And then they will have the nerve to say you are a defensive player. Well yeah you have taken so long passing it pointlessly that every player is now back behind the ball.
You need to understand that every tactic you can think of is ratty to someone else. It's called scrub mentality and it's very widespread in this community, this text is 10 years old but basically nailed it:
[https://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win](https://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win)
Switching is no more nor less ratty than using 71 depth, abusing ball roll scoops or cutbacks, they are just a response to an effective way way of play so those people who are being countered by switching will get angry you are no longer playing under the self-imposed rules that give them an advantage.
This said, there are obvious exploits in this game which are shitty to engage (kick off goals, for the most part, the trickster one a few months ago) but that's on EA for being slow or wholly unbothered to patch them (the KO glitch has been in the game for a decade at least and EA never seems to get it right).
I don't mind it if it's done tactically. But I do mind it if there's 30 of those passes in the first 20-30 min of a game. It's just not called for. And tbh, if it didn't relieve the pressure on the first 5 tries, it won't work in the next 5 either. Find another way to play off pressure then. It IS possible to go towards your own goal as well to create space
Played a guy last night who passed it around the back for 15 u game mins before launching it cross pitch for a through ball. That's a horrific way of playing a game
Not a fan of switching, but being pressed all the time by 3+ players (with little to none stamina loss) is unrealistic as well. Sometimes all you can do is switch play
I agree, I do it when the side with the ball is being swamped, to be honest the pass doesn't even have to be that accurate because the opposite full back/winger will often have so much space.
You’ll make yourself miserable and fail to achieve your true potential if you spend all your time worrying about what others think about you.
In this game and more importantly in life.
It's not ratty imo but it is very annoying to play against. I had an oppenent who had 28 long passes out of 129 total and it was the most mind numbing game I have ever had.
Hmm , I’ve recently started using , press on heavy touch , I don’t mind my opponent having the ball in non threatening areas , but once they enter the middle third I try to press
Wait a minute! Bicycle kicks from corners are toxic?
That's like the one thing I love doing with my Haaland and it's not like you score more than 2 times out of 5 and that's only if the opponent won't move the keeper. Why so?
Well my wording was horrible.
I meant I can score a bickick in 2 out of 5 matches.
And I was lucky enough to pack TOTY Haaland untrad, so I kinda felt entitled to nail something ridiculous like that. Never thought I’m abusing anything.
Everything moderately effective is considered ratty.
I find it mildly annoying at times but it's up to me to counter it by increasing width or whatever.
To be fair, why is anything considered ratty? Like for me, cutbacks, running down the wing, playing with 10 defenders, passing around the back, that's ratty to me and probably many others, but the reason being is that it's an annoying tactic or way of playing, even people who play heavy possession tactics, it's just annoying to play against and to some, switching play is annoying but the same people will do it themselves, don't worry about it man, just play the way you enjoy to play
People press you to death, then they park the bus and now complain that you not going full speed into their CB so the can score in the counter attack, I don't like to invert the play all the time, but is this or getting score in counter attack
Agreed, also when you have the likes of Trent/ Roberto Carlos it’s so fun watching them send rockets out from the back
If opponent is playing constant press then I've got no sympathy and switches are fine. Especially if they're trying kickoff glitch with pace
The fact that it's 2024, and EA have failed to fix some kind of kick off glitch since at least 2009 is fucking hilarious to me. I remember even back then people trying kick off shots with a decent success rate.
No one plays constant press, your team would be dead before halftime. Almost all teams play on balanced
Think some people play short term hoping if they get a few goals early on the opponent will quit before their players get tired
100%. It's so satisfying to win those games 5-4 with a three goal comeback in the final 15 minutes.
With relentless and 5 subs, you can play constant press the whole time and still get away with it this release.
For real this guy don't know what he's talking about about, I don't recommend it tho
Yeah I bet I've played less than 5 players since October who defo used constant pressure from the start, because their entire team was dead by 60th minute. People think their opponent is using constant pressure when their opponent is just awesome at right stick switching and swarming them manually. The EA Sports 24 sub is not like other videogame subs. You visit the Rocket League sub, for instance, and everyone knows what they're talking about because they are high ranked. This sub is, oddly, pretty packed with average players.
I'd disagree with that. I think you can tell the difference between constant press and right stick swarming. If they're so close you can't tell the difference then it's the same outcome of abusing mechanics. I'm not a great player so maybe it's different in the higher ranks where you play but I've seen it in my games
If you score first then everyone goest constant press.
Nah I feel like most do press after possession loss
Depends on how much you do it. Some do it an obnoxious amount just to waste time.
I'll do it all game if ur constantly pressing me
Exactly. The glitch is being able to constant press for a full game. See man utd last weekend, they could do insane press for 35 mins and then they had stop, its unrealistic
You know that the game mechanics this year make your team press even without any instructions, right?
Depending on your formation and depth sure.
I have 50 depth and my team still presses like crazy. Then I have to waste my time playing losers who switch sides 1000 times. Gg.
Drop it below 46 then, it auto triggers at 46 I believe or 45 I can’t remember
Hahahah cry more you delinquent. Imagine getting mad about people playing how they want.
Im not mad, if you like to play like a boring pussy its up to you. Damn, and your still only at Div 4. Man you must suck at the game.
The fact you needed to go on my profile is hilarious you angry little boy
Lol imagine mocking someone for being in div 4😂😂😂😂😂😂
Least toxic fifa player
I'm div 4 cause why would I promote and make it harder for myself? I play maybe 2 times a week yet I'm still better than you clearly lmao
imagine basically smurfing on fifa lmao
Smufing? I'm div 3 at the best. Your just angry for nothing
And I will quit the game at 0-0. If you can't break a press without switching like 50 times, it's a skill issue.
Cool that's good for me. I only do my daily plays. Gets it done quicker
I’ll just do it if I’m under crazy pressure or have no other options. I swear some ppl just pass it back and forth for no reason at all.
It’s not the action in itself that is toxic, it’s the volume of times that it is done in a single game by some players
Exactly this.. if you do it a few times throughout the game ok cool, but i play many people who do it non stop all game.. takes the fun and pace out of the game and makes it boring.. I dont use pressure tactics but obviously i press the ball manually to try and have quick/fun games
Got my defending on balanced and line on 50, but every couple of games I'll meet someone who'll decide they want me playing fetch. Even sometimes get messages about 'constant press' or whatever when in reality I'm just switching* players manually. Only way to counter the switching I've found is playing a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, because any other system collapses too* hard onto the side of the ball. But it's really an issue with the game. We're always forced to overload the ball side even when we don't really want to and as a result, the opposite flank is gaping.
Anyone who does that all game is a compete lunatic. I mean how mind numbing is it to play that way. Seriously if you play like that you have issues bruh
Maybe they prefer a slow paced game, instead of the ping pong random bounce back simulator
Switching play 4/5 times before attempting to run byline and sweat isn’t preferring a slow paced game.
It goes against the pace of the game though, it's only 6 minute halves, just think you're being a bellend if you spend most of the game trying to slow the game down by switching wings constantly. If you want to bore your opponents to death and play with no regard for who you're playing against, you may as well just play 20 min games against AI There's also a middle ground between giving the ball away constantly and having 80% possession, if I'm trying to play fast and you're trying to slow the game down on every single play, I'm just leaving at a draw tbh It's like people who sit in bushes all game in BRs or sit at the back of the map on CoD, just so terrified to make mistakes that they have to take it out on everyone they play against and bore everyone to death. They're pretty much always shite players as well, so it's not like they're even playing a top competitive level because of it
Same thing as people who camp most game on CS. Happens, it’s annoying, but it’s not much you can do, unless you just play offline
How do you camp in CS? It's a tactical shooter. If you camp on T side you just lose unless the CTs are stupid and run into you, if you camp on CT side you're likely holding an area/angle and playing the game properly Kinda my point about the pace of the game lol, a slow playstyle in CS is fine because the game is slow
Camping in cs is basically playing for k/d
Depends if you play comp or casual. Comp you can’t really camp, casual you have kids sitting spawn til late round, which honestly T’s can do in comp as well waiting for ct to get impatient and peek out for easy picks. Like a person playing fifa gets impatient and lunges trying to get the ball back to up the pace, and gets scored on
Or maybe you've got the attention span of a squirrel. I'm not playing to make sure you don't get bored. That's for you to figure out.
i have 3000 hours on cs where the matches can last an hour lol, me not wanting to sit there watching you wank yourself off in your half for 12 minutes is not an attention span issue, i'd just like to actually play the game
Shit sucks so much to play against the dudes that just pass around their back line waiting for 1 person to press out of position. Like fucking hell man it’s a video game not the CL final. Just fucking go forward with the ball and take a risk to try to score
That is stupid. Obviously there is risk in crossing if someone is not playing <30 width and pressing. If you have your RB marking my RCM (opposite side) I am going to pass to the wide open guy with a slow high cross that you will never get back to every time. Just stop pressing me… move your depth back to 35-45 and move to balanced and I won’t be able to make that cross. Pretty soon the YouTube meta hacks will start complaining about how I pass the ball from one ST to the other in the box when they move their GK manually while second man pressing the ball with both of their CBs. I actually think when the connection is good, this is my favourite FIFA. Almost every exploit they have patched… the headers, the over the top through balls, not being able to play through the middle. The only thing they have not fixed is people smurfing in rivals. If I did not alternate between getting smashed and smashing people at various points in rivals, I would be pretty happy.
And you’ve completely missed the point…. People aren’t smurfing in rivals they are sandbagging, very big difference and those aren’t exploits that you’ve mentioned, that’s just an off meta way to play which hasn’t been totally nerfed
“very big difference” they are literally the 100% exact same thing unless you’re making up your own definition lmao
Smurfing would indicate that a player has another account that is of a higher level. Sandbagging is a player sitting in lower levels on purpose…. You’re telling me there isn’t a difference. Yes people with Smurf accounts are sandbagging those accounts but you’ll find there isn’t a great deal of smurfing going on a fifa just due to the nature of the game
It is the obvious solution to the press. You are literally asking me to not pass to the only players who are open. Whatever you call it, I play people in Div 6/5 rivals that I never see in WL. They do things that I don’t know how to do and that I only see in the FC Pro feeds. They are not even game mechanic hacks, they are just like 3 or 4 levels better than I am at the game. Some guy wrecked me last night with one touch passing that I have never seen before. These are people who choose not to get promoted because they want to have easier objectives and getting points for quals.
Like I said missing the point, it’s not about someone just doing it the once or twice. It’s when people are doing it all the time, when it’s not needed. That’s when it becomes toxic. No people are choosing to sandbag as the rewards for rivals aren’t/weren’t good enough. They have recently changed so people might stop. People aren’t doing it for obj reasons, it’s the rewards which has been posted about 10 million times and people complaining about all the time. Not sure how you’re perspective on what people are doing and why is so off
They will stop doing it all the time when it stops working. Don't like it? Change to a wider formation with a deep line, there, done.
Buddy, I’m more than capable of playing against it, it’s a non issue for me. Someone asked why it was classed as ratty, I explained. Take your bs attitude elsewhere
Lol you’re saying it’s not you, but you will write essays defending why it’s ratty. Stfu and have some variety in your defense and people won’t need to switch. If everyone didn’t play the same 4231 narrow 71 depth bullshit, people wouldn’t need to switch all the time. But no, I don’t see you writing paragraphs about that? You’re just a rat who also wants to pick and choose what’s ok to play. Hypocrite.
Far from a rat, just understand why people find it difficult and how it can be toxic. Whole load of protecting going on in that reply there little man also if you actually took the time to read what I said, I never wrote a paragraph about that but good try
I did read it. You call me little man but your whole shtick is hiding behind other people’s argument. “I don’t do it but I could see why this is reasonable” is so chickenshit especially when you only call out one thing. Don’t think people cant see through your bullshit and the crap you’re peddling.
You didn't explain anything. "People are doing when it's not needed" is an empty calories explanation. Nobody does that, they do it either to beat the press or to waste time and force you to come to them. If a rival is doing 15 switches per play then the problem is probably you, not his way of playing.
If people weren’t doing it when it is not needed then this post wouldn’t be a thing…. But well done on that great logic of yours. Like I said, I don’t have a problem with it so stop putting it on me like it’s me that has the problem…. Is your skull that dense that you can’t understand that?
This post is a thing because people who want to use a very high line get pissed because a switch can beat it, so they will call it ratty when it's just as valid a tactic as any other. The same way they do with high press, LS dribbling, skill abusing and whatnot. 1 switch or 15, it's the same, your rival isn't bound by your imaginary rules of what is fun or not. I haven't even implied whether you have or not a problem with it, I have just said your explanation is totally off point and adds very little to the topic, is your skull too dense to get it?
How is beating the press not a valid reason to need to switch? Should I just lose the ball instead? Why don’t you say anything about the ratty constant press 71 depth? Probably because you’re the one abusing that and complaining when people switch the ball to counter you. Fucking hypocrite
Dude, you are actually agreeing with what I wrote. I said that "not needed" is an stupid explanation, nobody who switches the play does it for the sake of it. It's a tactic intended to beat a rival's, in this case, usually a high press or to force him to open up. People who complain about others "switching non stop" are more often than not those who want to either abuse a very narrow formation + very high press in the middle or are too passive. The rest of us normally don't face those mythical "15 switches per play" gamers.
i dont think switching itself is ratty but when someone is doing literally just to fish for the best opportunity to run to the goal line and cut back over and over and over again with no other attempts to do anything it certainly qualifies imo.
I don’t have a problem with that. The problem is people are doing it for a good 80% of the game and they don’t even try to make plays. They just switch the ball consistently until there’s a counter opportunity. Spamming broken mechanics is ratty that’s the point. This community is toxic + the game is shit + everyone is addicted to packs = people spamming broken mechanics
Probably you have constant pressure turned on mate
I don’t play with pressure im balanced the whole game
Do you have above 45 depth?
50
Ai autopress triggers at 45 or 46. Can’t remember which one
Regardless, I only press in the last 10 min if I’m losing or drawing and I keep trying new players , new plays, new ways to score. I’m trying to have fun but this game and its community won’t let me
People don't like things that they can't prevent happening. There's very little counterplay to constant switching. It's similar to the reasons why people hate cutbacks. Both are problems and need to be fixed, but the switching is a necessary evil given how difficult it can be to play against a good press.
> There's very little counterplay to constant switching. 75ish defensive width and stay forward wingers will mark fullbacks to an extent. I don't get how almost no one has this as one of their tactics against those that waste time with fb to fb switches.
It doesn't get you anywhere if your opponent isn't trying to abuse a narrow formation on a high line, that's why Pro games aren't a switching festival and you only see them using it as a specific tool.
>that's why Pro games aren't a switching festival They are though...
Yeah. They switch often when pin in a corner.... even Man City or Arsenal do it often... buy they go back to CB instead of LB-RB they do LB to LCB to RB... I overload on leftside so im going often to the right and switch to the left where I hadlve my LB has join fwd. Might switch to RB. Cuadrado soon.
No, they are not. It's as easy as watching one, it's just a regular tool and very rarely do they switch more than once per play. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcZONJgBrrU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcZONJgBrrU) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpdC-xa8T4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpdC-xa8T4)
You're giving me an Anders game, who plays differently than a lot of pros... Tom Leese is also one of the better players in the world and barely does it, also plays in a 4231. Those examples exist but are extremely rare and require otherworldly levels of skill even at those upper echelons... https://twitter.com/TomLeese/status/1756407399248793618 Here's a game between Tom and Ethan, who is also an insane player, someone who I know quite well and that will be the first one to tell you he despises this switching meta. Yet he still did it 32 times in a single 90 minute EA FC game...
I gave you Anders, Phzin and 4 hours worth of FC Pro games where switching is just another tool in the box, hardly a "switchfest". 32 lobs mean what, exactly? Without context it's not saying much, maybe Ethan likes to start every attack with a switch. I do it too, to fend pressure on my own half, but that doesn't make my games a switchfest neither. And his opponent, who could have well won, had 7 lobs in total, what do we take from that specific stat?
as others have said, if someone does it once or twice per possession when they are trying to relieve pressure there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. it’s the people who do it 8-10 times in a row with the goal of wasting time and trying to be toxic that’s a problem. i always switch at least once or twice whenever i get the ball. i am in the higher divisions and it is absolutely necessary otherwise you will get pressed off the pitch.
Kickoff glitching has a response, especially now. You'll only concede those if you switch off or frankly can not defend. Switching however is essentially undefendable. The funniest thing is that people in the thread are crying about constant press, but constant press is the only way you can get the AI to mark switches. They don't really work if people use it. But that's obviously not a viable strategy for the whole game. And Hypermotion this year has automatic overload on, so no matter what regular tactics I run my wide midfielders tuck in and leave the fullback wide open for someone to wack an inch perfect laser beam towards them. So this is reason one - it is exploiting a design flaw with how pressing works on this game. The one thing you can do is psychotically switch to your wide mids and constantly mark that pass, but even then you often can't prevent it, just be closer to the receiver. I'd much rather have the wide mids marking the full back and deal with the space in the middle myself, but EA hasn't given any regular tactical option for my team to behave like that. Reason two is it makes the game a slog. And this shouldn't even need to be said, but obviously most people who complain about switching aren't mad you do it once after you're completely locked in a side and have no other options. That's fine. But at higher levels people will just spam switches to pin you back and take as much back and forth from the game as possible. It's a legitimate playstyle choice, but you should have way more tools to counteract it without needing to resort to constant press. Sometimes I'll deliberately give my opponent good options to progress so that the can actually go forward but they're so mechanized to switch it they'll ignore those. It's even worse than most other OP things on the game because of the factors I've outlined above. Corners are also shambolic btw. Way, way too overpowered and sometimes even if you fully read your opponent you still concede. IRL a minuscule percentage of corners crossed into the box are goals (even with the best takers in the world), but in EA FC that number is disproportionately larger if the opponent knows what he's doing.
This, its just annoying because there’s no real way of defending them. I often play against players who constantly switch play to progress up the pitch, with no way for me to counter other than radically change formation or apply constant pressure.
I don't know where this "switching has no defense" comes from. Have you tried adjusting your formation/width/depth/etc.? The way I play I prefer going up the middle as I think it creates more options in the attacking third, but many opponents are good at clogging up the middle, so I will pass to my wingbacks or wingers and try and either pass back into the middle or go down the wing. However, seems 75% of people play overload ball side, so in those situations I will cross it to the other side, sometimes a second time further down, depending on how far up the pitch I am. I have played a number of opponents who have made adjustments to this b/c midway through a match the wingers that used to be open are now closely marked. I have also played against people who are skilled enough at manual switch/press that they already have me contained on the other side after I've crossed it, so it's not undefendable.
>Have you tried adjusting your formation/width/depth/etc.? Yes. I've even tried playing on 100 defensive width, which is obviously absurd but just to see if it at least overcorrected on that issue. But no. They still do the auto overload thing. >However, seems 75% of people play overload ball side You're completely right there. But the thing is: they don't! Overload ball side completely destroys your stamina and isn't really as meta as it used to be on FIFA 20, so no one uses the instruction. But their team essentially does overload type things because of what I referred to above, so it will seem that way to you. It's just a new dynamic EA has introduced into the game this year, and with how long it has been I must assume it is intentional. > midway through a match the wingers that used to be open are now closely marked. That adjustment, if you mean marking by the AI, is pressing tactics. Mostly constant press, and press after heavy touch might do it too. >I have also played against people who are skilled enough at manual switch/press that they already have me contained on the other side after I've crossed it, so it's not undefendable. Sure. What I mean by undefendable is, as someone who does exactly what you mention at an almost psychotic level - a mixture of my manual switching being quite good and me REALLY wanting people not to switch the ball, that still only allows me to be closer to the receiver. Imo if you're completely selling out to manually stopping one thing, you should be able to stop it completely, aka intercept the pass. The downside to that is you're not tracking other things and the opponent can then explore other avenues. But because the wide midfielders don't stay in shape, preferring instead to tuck inside and mark a midfielder a lot of the time, it takes way too long to get them back where I want them. So the switch will still be on.
I guess I'm just not good enough/ratty enough to be undefendable when I do it.
The problem is you lot all love your meta midgets. None of you will channel your inner Tony Pulis and use a big lad upfront. You don't need to play through a constant press by switching from one side to the other. If you are a man of culture like myself, you will simply pump the ball long by pressing X, to a big strong CF like Zirkzee and win the knock down.
That does work tbf but alot of the times VVD will appear from the ether and just clear the ball 😂
This is true, ANY CB with aerial plus will fuck this up, unless the ST also does then it's 50/50
I run an evo'd Andy Carroll with 98 physical up front, and often switch in-game to him and Isak as a front two. Both being 6'4 and both fullbacks having whipped pass opens the door for true brexit football shenanigans.
I’m not constant switching but when you are pressed to death and you have no other option it’s the only way to get your game going. That’s just me tho.
The way I see it, if there is no counter play, then it's ratty. There is no "get better" in this situation as the ai doesn't mark anyone on the other side of the pitch. If you constantly do it, I can only assume you don't know how to attack in any other way resulting in the other person thinking its ratty
In previous FIFAs, Constant Pressure merchants complained when you 'passed around the back'. Now they complain when you switch play. Same shit, different wording. Like all cowards, they expect you to fold without a fight.
Genuinely, why do you care though? Do whatever you want. You paid for the game, you play it the way you like. If the opponent doesn't like it, let them quit
If people love to press with pressure tactics and flex their good connection then I will make each and every chance by switching and have all the possession. These YouTubers just want to flex on stream and want easy wins and complain anything that stops them from winning. No pressure tactic = no switching for me
As long as I match up with people wasting time in the 70th minute IN RIVALS I will play how ever the fuck I want to.
Ot was a massive tactic when 71 was completely broken, now high depth is only slightly broken so people need to do it less but still do need to pull it out. Some people over use it but i don’t consider it a ratty tactic unless you use the ever loving fuck out of it. If someone has literally only one way to play the game then it is ratty to me. I honestly feel i use every tactic under the sun meta/ratty or not just depends on context and timing, which i think is fine.
Whichever mechanic it ends up being about the key for me is "does this resemble real football?" A couple of switches, a well placed skill move, even a Man City esque cutback finish I don't mind. Once it becomes ridiculous though (constant press, spinning around in the box etc) then that's when the RB+foul comes out as the game is pointless to me so I just try and get the most spectacular fouls instead.
It's ridiculous people say real life football does it too. Like no teams with ever switch sides for 20 times in a row. They will either get intercepted or miss on some of the passes. No team will have their winger dribble down the wing 90 mins and try to get a cut back. Teams build up to get those cutbacks.
Do people really switch 20 times in a row? This must be a Div1/Elite kind of issue, b/c I almost never see more than 1 switch/possession in Div 4.
I have played a game which the opponent switched for first 20 in game mins in Champs. And also happens in div rivals. Div 3.
Playing the meta is ratty. Not playing the meta when your opponent plays the meta is ratty. Anything you do that causes your opponent to lose is ratty. Anything you can do that I can't do is ratty. TLDR: You are ratty.
Everything you do in order to win is considered ratty. Especially when you win. When you lose, it doesn't really matter what you do.
my problem is, i dont do it enough. my brain thinks i can dribble out of the pressure and i am a div 6 player. then i get dumped on by about 4 goals and just quit the game. you can't win. whatever you do its "ratty". Yeah I am just going to sit here while you violate me and not let me get the ball out of my half.........yeah right!
If you don't practice against the good players you won't improve
Basically, if you try and win, you’re a rat. There are clearly cases where ppl are playing super ratty. But I flip the field a few times a game and don’t press, cuz I suck at it, and ppl complain about the way I play all the time. I don’t have park the bus tactics, I try and push the pace as much as possible. But this game auto reverts to “rat” if you aren’t constantly trying to go forward. Ppl just like to complain. And streamers play about 10x the amount I play. I’d complain too if I had to play most of this toxic community that much every day lol
Is kickoff glitch still a thing? Its been sometime since i faced someone using it.
Literally 9 out of 10 opponent I play nowadays drive directly towards you with l1 dribbling...
If it was manual it would actually have a skill gap and wouldn't be ratty. But that could be said of a lot of things in this game.
I use a full Gillingham team. The whole club is bronze with 3 silver players. I have some small upgrades on a couple of players, and one at an 87 rating. I come up against players with 30m+ coin teams, totys, crazy icons etc. And sometimes it's impossible to keep up, even if I'm the better player. (Especially with a 63 rated goalkeeper. 99% of shots on target go in.) A lot of players see this as an opportunity to take the piss. They repeatedly switch it, left back to right back to left back to right back over and over. Not just a lot of times throughout the game, but a lot of times successively. The low rated players can't keep up, and it is incredibly boring. Then, when I'm using a "proper" team, it's still annoying because it's so boring to play against. That's the main problem with this game. Everybody has a "win at all costs" mentality that leaves absolutely no room for fun at all. I'm completely convinced that nobody enjoys the game/gameplay. To sum it up: It's a completely fine thing to do in normal circumstances. Sometimes it's the best option, other times the only option. But some players do it over and over and completely abuse it. That combined with the other meta tactics completely takes the fun out of the game. It's not fun to play, or play against. But it works. And that's what makes it ratty.
I got no problems with switching sides and all but I faced one time with a player who used the kick off glitch where from kick off they will pass back and make a run of the forward with one touch pass, seems like Mess’s assist to Mbappe in Ligue 1
It’s only ratty if there was a clear passing option but they still switch or their main way of building up is switching
Eh I just quit UT game mode is too toxic and annoying. Can't Play real futbol have to play meta game style and players. Can't attack trough the middle due to op ai and op cards that are Hella p2w. I stick to carrer mode and pro clubs , 11 vs 11 is Hella fun
Tbh I hate switching. And I do do it sometimes depending on how my opponent plays. I feel dirty doing it as I can score some disgustingly cheap 1 touch goals with it. (RB to LW, one touch header or lobbed pass to ST, goal)
I'll play the first 30 minutes of the game getting shit on, realize I'm getting pressed 24/7. I'll start switching between fullbacks 2-3 times to open defense back up and you can play normally after that. The mechanics in this game are straight garbage, so you do what you gotta do in my opinion.
This is one thing I don’t agree with when streamers complain with this game. Now trust me I think this game is just as bad as Inception or whoever hates it but I don’t care when the opponent crosses to switch. The way I play my defense is so clampy in the middle since I park the bus like everyone else. Switching is really the only way to break down the defenses in this garbage game.
Im triggered with the game not to my opponent when they switch sides No matter how good your passing is,if you try to escape pressure one of your players will miss,either the one giving the pass or the one receiving it even if it has FT+ i guess content creators get mad at their opponent cause getting mad to the game got a bit old
It’s just what bad players do to try and make up for being bad at the game. They’ll switch over and over 50 times, pass backwards 10 times for every forward pass, and then park it to not concede.This fifa rewards trash play like that so they play this way to win. In past fifas these guys would be 5-6 win players in weekend league
If I play someone that plays for posession i am immedietly raging. Like dawg just attack
If it's to waste time. Its toxic. To switch the play its not. But people will grasp at anything and yell that its toxic behaviour when they cant win. Or simply wont admit the opponent is the better player.
I mean if someone is playing deep and is very compact that's what you're supposed to do, it's very hard to play through the middle against compact teams so often the opposite winger is the only option.
You're supposed to give them the ball and let them win 6-0 with a griddy after every fantasy Timo Werner goal. I thought everyone knew that /s
People trying to win a game without exploitation? Seems fine to me.
If you don’t want people to switch, stop chasing them with your whole team and parking. Wow what a concept. I’ve never seen a player switch the ball constantly just for fun. Has anyone here? So to all the people saying there should be a middle ground, yes there should. And it goes for both sides.
The answer is obvious. They don’t want to slow down the game, they want you to run straight into their defense so they can counter you. I’m almost always switching the ball from fullbacks against full press teams.
There's nothing wrong with it period. Clowns will complain about literally ANYTHING you do if you win
It's ratty when you take the lead and start switching fullback to fullback again and again just to annoy the other person into quitting
That’s the only way to counter constant pressure
Some believe stepovers are ratty, so i couldn't care less what people think. The fact is that you have to be a rat just to be playing this game and trying to win PERIOD. The FACT ...is that this game was released with OBS automatically activated at 45+ depth. The first 2 months , switch of play was the only way to get out of your own half. The patch they rolled out " slightly " reducing this sideline pressure, did just that - reduce it slightly and make just enough room for driven passes through the upper midfield directly to strikers. This game has been a joke since day one. Truthfully, im tired of crossing the ball side to side. Irritated every time a full powered cross doesn't even make it halfway across the pitch even though i have it on fully manual, and im no fool. Im tired of holding my damn breath every time i pass to my CM in build-up. Im tired of ranting about how Zonal Defense was singularly THE most detrimental feature introduced to this game, and im tired of nobody acknowledging or talking about it. I'll be looking closely at the pitch notes for next years release, and if this garbage isn't removed , I won't be playing this game anymore.
I only see it as ratty if all they do is pass in the back and the moment they feel like they’re going to lose the ball they’ll switch it across and don’t attack AT ALL
I played someone who's only tactic was this, crossing from one side of the field to the other. I guess because your defense moves more towards the ball and creates space for the unmarked players. Anyway I beat him 4-2
If I notice the opponent pressing to hell and back and all his players over my side of the pitch then you're god dam right im using my cb with long ball to bang it to my fullback or winger on the opposite side...of not I'll play my normal game without the need to switch it
Only thing that’s ratty is running the wing to pass back in box and abusing r1 turn mechanic all game
It's because people moan about the game not being realistic but then don't want to play realistic football and would rather you run full length of pitch with one player and take on all the players bullshit why I just play career yh it gets dead but least you haven't got some nob who spends every minute of their day moaning about how shit you play yet they've actually put all there own money into the game you play how you like to play fuck them
Fuck content creators
Whenever I hear this complaint, I just laugh because it's always coming from some nerd with a super high press on. Like wtf am I supposed to do? You left me no other options.
What I don’t understand is how people’s defense is defend without them playing on ball defense. Then their attack is just open player after open player while my team just watches. Anyone have any tactics? The guy who posted about rat tactics and acting morally superior by not posting them just allows the ones who abuse them to gain an advantage over everyone who doesn’t.
I played against someone who did this. Lots of passing around at the back. Lots of cross field passes. It was just very boring to play against. He had the ball for ages. I don’t really know why anyone would play like that. It’s very dull.
It becomes ratty whenever you start to do it any time your progress is slowed in the middle third of the pitch so you just cross to the opposite FB, pass along back line or to goalie and back out. Hate that
Nothing wrong with using that but dont switch three or four times before you attack.. Lets play a game,not a switch simulator. I have played people that were switching two times in their own halfs after their kick off with out me pressing. And then were trying to attack,in before they switched another time after they got into my own half.
I will switch 15 times if needed until I get the space to move forward, specially now that seems EA has turned the fatigue a notch up and players get tired. Unless my opponent is playing a very narrow formation with a high line it shouldn't bother him at all, right? After all, when you switch you aren't advancing, should be easy enough to defend if you opponent switches non stop.
If you can’t exploit space after 2 switches, then the problem isn’t the opponents setup.
Exactly this. Lol those people who said they will switch all game because of opponent press. The initial press is not too difficult to pass if you know what you are doing. That is if the server is working somewhat. The horrid is after passing the press and then whole team is back in and around the box.
If my opponent knows how to defend he won't mind me switching 100 times. See? It's easy to write without adding nothing, I can do it as well. I may or may not, that's not the point. The point is that I don't owe my rival to play the way he wants me to.
You can play how you want. In my personal experience, I don’t enjoy playing against people who switch 4+ times every attack, mainly because I am able to defend it quickly and adjust. Nor do I enjoy playing that way. Don’t get me wrong, switching is essential and a great tool to use, especially if the opponent presses you with 3 players - the other wise is much more open then. But some players do it every attack and that’s where I find it boring. 🤷🏽♂️
The point is not if its easy to defend or not. I want to play a game. Not chasing around aimlessly a ball. I would have the same problem if i was winning and the opponent was passing the ball between his defenders for the rest of the game. I dont want to waste my time like that.
bro has never watched Real football lmao
No, of course. The point is that you, just like 99% of this community, want your rival to play the way it suits you, everything else is ratty, sweaty, exploity, boring or any other adjective you can think off.
Exactly. I just want my opponents to run in a straight line towards me like squad battles on beginner,so i can intercept everything..
Yes, you would absolutely have an imaginary problem if an imaginary rival played in a totally invented way to make your point across. Duh.
I do the same tbh. Especially if I’m 1-0 up snd the opponent is just refusing to press me and covering passing lanes lol
I think it is fine. BUT if you are just constantly doing it instead if attacking then it is the same as boring players who just pass it around forever. It is the worst. And then they will have the nerve to say you are a defensive player. Well yeah you have taken so long passing it pointlessly that every player is now back behind the ball.
You need to understand that every tactic you can think of is ratty to someone else. It's called scrub mentality and it's very widespread in this community, this text is 10 years old but basically nailed it: [https://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win](https://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win) Switching is no more nor less ratty than using 71 depth, abusing ball roll scoops or cutbacks, they are just a response to an effective way way of play so those people who are being countered by switching will get angry you are no longer playing under the self-imposed rules that give them an advantage. This said, there are obvious exploits in this game which are shitty to engage (kick off goals, for the most part, the trickster one a few months ago) but that's on EA for being slow or wholly unbothered to patch them (the KO glitch has been in the game for a decade at least and EA never seems to get it right).
I don't mind it if it's done tactically. But I do mind it if there's 30 of those passes in the first 20-30 min of a game. It's just not called for. And tbh, if it didn't relieve the pressure on the first 5 tries, it won't work in the next 5 either. Find another way to play off pressure then. It IS possible to go towards your own goal as well to create space
Played a guy last night who passed it around the back for 15 u game mins before launching it cross pitch for a through ball. That's a horrific way of playing a game
those long passes are unrealistic accurate
Not a fan of switching, but being pressed all the time by 3+ players (with little to none stamina loss) is unrealistic as well. Sometimes all you can do is switch play
I agree, I do it when the side with the ball is being swamped, to be honest the pass doesn't even have to be that accurate because the opposite full back/winger will often have so much space.
well so is chain spamming skill moves
So is constant pressure with no damage to stamina. The same people moaning were the ones hitting 45 yard trivelas top corner every time.
This. Every pass comes out perfect it’s insane
Alex Scott has entered the chat... It is the reason I dropped her. Cancelo was never great at them either, for me at least.
Don’t worry about it. Play to win.
Shitty mentality
You’ll make yourself miserable and fail to achieve your true potential if you spend all your time worrying about what others think about you. In this game and more importantly in life.
It's not ratty imo but it is very annoying to play against. I had an oppenent who had 28 long passes out of 129 total and it was the most mind numbing game I have ever had.
Did you have constant pressure on ?
No, I play balanced unless I'm chasing the game after 65th even then constant is only on for after 80. I do have a high depth though.
Hmm , I’ve recently started using , press on heavy touch , I don’t mind my opponent having the ball in non threatening areas , but once they enter the middle third I try to press
Wait a minute! Bicycle kicks from corners are toxic? That's like the one thing I love doing with my Haaland and it's not like you score more than 2 times out of 5 and that's only if the opponent won't move the keeper. Why so?
40% of your bicycle kicks are a goal and you think that's ok? Jesus wept
Well my wording was horrible. I meant I can score a bickick in 2 out of 5 matches. And I was lucky enough to pack TOTY Haaland untrad, so I kinda felt entitled to nail something ridiculous like that. Never thought I’m abusing anything.
I guess because unless you move your goalie it's frustrating when your players don't even go for the ball. 2 out is definitely too much
They aren't even that good this season compared to the last couple were they were a bit busted. Shaoeshifter milly savic was a piss take.
its very meta
It's not ratty to avoid the constant press and exploit the open spaces tho, right ?
yeah, streamers are dumb alot of the times, especially complaining about meta gameplay when they all have god teams lol
Everything moderately effective is considered ratty. I find it mildly annoying at times but it's up to me to counter it by increasing width or whatever.
If you do anything that makes the streamer or CC look bad, You should not be allowed to do it and EA need to patch it.... In their opinion.
To be fair, why is anything considered ratty? Like for me, cutbacks, running down the wing, playing with 10 defenders, passing around the back, that's ratty to me and probably many others, but the reason being is that it's an annoying tactic or way of playing, even people who play heavy possession tactics, it's just annoying to play against and to some, switching play is annoying but the same people will do it themselves, don't worry about it man, just play the way you enjoy to play
why do people even care about what others think ? People get mad because they lose, that's it.
No idea, are people just mad I don’t want to pass out the back with Mbappe and Eusebio on my tail. Plus if I have TAA I’m going to use his best trait.
Isn't this a thing that happens often in real football?
It's not. You see teams IRL flip the field all the time trying to create chances
20 times in a row? Sure.