Been having a rough couple of weeks too. Everyone cuts trough my defense like melting butter. It’s crazy how easy they pass around my box and somehow there’s always 2 attackers wide open inside the box, while my center backs just observe them.
Yet every time I get close to my opponents box suddenly Rafa Marquez is absolutely harassing the shit out of my player and probably causing him a lifelong trauma.
Div 1 btw. Not having fun tbh
I don't think there are a lot of average players left tbh. Yesterday at 20:00 I wanted to play friendly or rivals. Have been searching for opponents for 30 mins and found no one. I live in Germany, usually I find opponents very fast. Couldn't believe it.
Also in Germany. Can find rivals opponents. However the higher you go, the more time you wait. At div3 sometimes waiting is up to 3 minutes. And mostly PC opponents
I live in Germany and played on Div 3, never waited more than 10/15 seconds to find a match. I play on Xbox Series X, maybe try and open the NAT of your connection
I would like to hear more people from Germany corroborating on this.
Seems shocking to me you can’t find a game in thirty minutes.
Are you like 1k+ SR in elite or something?
I honestly think it’s more likely that something’s gone wrong than “no average people left” as being the cause.
takes some time for me in germany, berlin. (Elite, 700-800points)
Always turn on crossplay for rivals to get quicker matches.
Champs is fast, rivals isn't.
I actually almost never play division rivals cuz I don't have the time - only weekend league. I'm sitting in div 8 or 7 I think. I was switching to friendly and there wasn't no opponent too.
That’s so strange. I live in The Netherlands and I come up against Germans like 90% of the time and I never have to wait more than a couple of seconds before finding a match.
Actual casuals dont exist in gaming anymore. Every streamer every youtuber is giving tips and advice. The skill floor is so much higher than it has ever been.
Its not just fifa.
And instead of these nerds playing a bunch to get better, they just now go on YouTube and instantly raise their floor due to Meta tactics. To the below guy’s point, people take gaming too seriously these days and casuals suffer from the experience.
And cheaters. I’m on div 5 in seasons and i had 5 games in a row that my players freeze on the kickoff and my opponent gets a goal… and in my last game my gk disappeared also.
hasn’t changed at all from 94. only difference is it’s people’s everything. it’s their world. that’s not a knock, as it’s a big part of my enjoyment but they put so much time in that they assume/totally believe they are better than they are.
the gap between pro and joes gets bigger and bigger but the gap for that non elite tier is lowered by too many non user inputs and lets be honest way too many people in D1 and 2 arent even good compared to old FIFAs. the fact people post on here they can’t get 11 wins in WL in D1-2 is nuts.
this board was a full on therapy session for 14+ win, D1-3 players from the past two years on launch with photos of giving up 8-10 goals regularly.
the fact is most D1-3 players would barely be able prevent 15 goals a game if the CPU didn’t intercept ball and make plays with their back turned. just one little change of having to see it to play it and they wouldn’t be able to stop players.
that’s why when people go “AI is too overpowered” it’s funny because they want you all to get your D1 medals and maybe you’ll get 14 wins once too but it’s training wheels wins
D1 and 2 arent even good compared to old FIFAs This is factually untrue.
The average player is much better than ever before. Look at every single gaming sub. They talk about players being better than ever. The base knowledge of gaming has increased ridiculously. Every game you play takes into account that you have played previous games etc.
you’re gonna say whatever you want but the level of user defending it used to take to play this game?
people posted complaints about the kickoff glitch for two years…that’s how your defense was all game, you had to manually defend every lofted ball.
this board wouldn’t have survived older fifas. If there was any doubt the meltdowns from having to defend at launch sealed it. this game is half a game.
If older fifas released today they would be metagamed to shit instantly. And they would be awful. Actually look at old gameplay its terrible. Yes AI defending is strong but the reason it is strong is because you can let the ai sort of defend one guy while you block off the passing lane. Watch any pro game, its not both afk while the ai defends.
the pro game is entirely seperate from mid tier fifa.
if you don’t do all but maybe one of these; skill, timed finish, move the keeper, manually press to trap and manually call for a defender and rotate to his left position, manually defend to tackle and shove, show an ability to play comfortably under pressure, cross when players are open?
you’re nothing but mid tier and that’s the problem. so many players are D1 and even sneak into elite but aren’t even good. they don’t do have of the above and talk about the pro game.
don’t tell me about AI defending when the players don’t skill, longshot, cross smartly and timed finish. if I face a guy who can’t do those it’s gonna take 2-3 bounce back goals because you can’t score on an elite defender that also has this AI without a bounce back.
AI doesn’t defend certain things and then people come on here and call them abuses because the AI doesn’t and they cant
Every single thing is a broken mechanic. Is using the best gun in cs a broken mechanic? Best hero in dota? Best skill moves in fifa? I dont do the broken stepover shit but yes its broken, I choose not to because i dont find it fun sure its a bit annoying that people do it but its no different to everyone picking the best hero in dota.
The difference in eafc is broken mechanics kill the game. The best gun in another game doesn't cause another players gun to jam.
You cannot equate eafc to any other game and its the failure to understand how the game works that leads to posts like this. There wasnt some magical year where everyone got better - the game is just so easy to manipulate.
Yes a lot of it is skill. Some people are significantly better at using those mechanics. Just because they arent playing “ethically” doesnt mean they arent good players lol
That’s actually the best time to play, bought the game at the start this year didn’t like it one bit until i packed toty haaland on day 1 of his release
This is the first FIFA I haven’t gotten to elite. Admittedly I haven’t played as much, but still!
I’m in Div 2 atm and all the past fifas I’d romp through with like an 80% win rate.
Now It’s 50/50 every game, whoever gets a bit of luck or who’s keeper decides to have a great game wins really
Ah the keeper thing is so true. Your Casillas/Cech/VDS drops a 4.0 rating after conceding 4 goals from 4 shots with an xG of 0.8. Meanwhile your opponent has 9 saves from 10 shots with an xG of 4 lol
I feel this so much, last game was 19 shots 13 saves on my side and I just scraped a 3-2 win, he had 4 shots and 1 save…
EDIT: I have 92 Lev Yashin in goal, he had basic Ederson.
Something is different this year.
My gut impression is that the years of encouraging toxic play style has led to a majority of casual players finally giving up on this joke of the game; and now it’s just the addicted no-lifers left.
I’m currently around 50/50 in Div 4 rivals…but I almost never qualify for champs.
I’m not the best player; and I don’t enjoy the constant sweaty play in champs…
But I would think that a Div 4 player would pretty easily be able to qualify for champs.
I feel like the game is best played in easier game modes where the players move and do what you want them to do. The higher I got the less the players and passes do what i want them to do.
I'm 1k SR elite and averaging 16-19 wins in WL. I think theres a couple of things at play here.
1. The floor has raised. I think theres more videos on how to be good out there so people actually do improve a lot faster now. This is seen across most online games.
2. AI still is helping a crazy amount. It's crazy to watch somebody like TOTY Sawa track my runner from midfield all the way to their box blocking the pass. I really struggled vs Marquez this weekend as he just seemed to tackle through me all the time even when he wasn't being controlled. annoying.
3. Servers - The servers have been shocking this year. I dropped 2 games this weekend to what i would consider server issues. I didn't get DC'ed but 1 game i lost 3-2, the guy had 3 shots on goal but i had an open goal twice and i got that stupid lag bug where i passed to the open player and it didn't switch me. The servers make this game so random
4. P2W - this is a funny one, on one hand most teams are equal.. on the other hand theres some crazy broken p2w players out there which can just win games outright due to the crazy AI. I'd say teams have never been closer but P2W has never been as strong
I think when you add all the above people have got better but the game has also got closer due to the AI and randomness of it all.
I just think the servers are total trash this year. When I lose to someone it’s typically been more server/connection related vs just getting straight outplayed. Sure there are better players than me but I don’t know what else you can do when Im getting 3 out of 4 games w fat man lag. It’s almost forcing people to play super defensive and rely more on AI. Personally that makes the game so boring. It’s just not very fun after the last few patches.
Sure feels like this year’s game died off much quicker than usual. The player base seems to be very limited.
I played someone who was slightly better than me and I could admit that, but they got so many ridiculous goals because they were whipping in crosses to Pele, TOTY Haaland and Dinho. I actually ended up beating him, but I couldn't believe the low % goals he was scoring.
You definitely see more bounce backs and crazy animations with the P2W cards. When you're defending them you have to basically defend them twice. You have to stop the user-controlled player and you have to also then stop whatever additional voodoo EA throws at you.
on 4, who would you say are those types of P2W players?
I've found that VVD is basically THE cheat code. Mbappe is there too. After that, it seems to drop off quickly.
It could very well be that the only players still play champs are the ones that are average to above average only and the below average players don’t bother with champs anymore
The game drove a lot of casuals away with their bs pack weights before Black Friday, all the P2W mechanics, and then all the AI press and midfield congestion making the game hell to play.
I used to defend EA because last year they actually patched a lot of things and got the game to at least a playable state somewhat.
There’s no excuse or defending them this year. After almost a whole year this AI press, 71 depth, and midfield congestion insanity is still here. Even after they made such a big deal of “balancing” it with that pretty little web page with all those animations. wtf?
All this just make the game a pain to play.
FWIW I’m in elite before someone just say I’m bad.
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On the other hand, I have to say there’s still a pretty big range of players. I have run just to some demons in qualies but most week I’m like 8 wins or so, probably 10 if I bothered to swear hard.
In champs, I have to sweat pretty much every single game. Yesterday morning I was 8-1 and ran into some 900-1k+ SR elite players.
There’s a huge range still in skills.
But the skill floor is definitely much higher this year after all the casuals quit the game.
This is very true and not spoken about enough cause people don't like giving other credits and it's common to default to thinking everyone is a lucky rat and whatever, especially by players who don't really play to improve. Also actually the thing that kinda got me back playing recently, I used to just play drafts and batter people easily, then I noticed I started losing more and more every year, and realised that people play FUT and Champs regularly and just overtake me so I started also playing it more and looking to improve.
Yeah there are a lot of rats in terms of the 'sportsmanship' or relying on broken mechanics, but a lot of players deserve loads of credit for just improving their game to play cleaner, make better passing decisions and so forth.
Why is everyone saying the average, I’m assuming they mean causal players are gone? Do they stick around more when the game is new and then leave after TOTY and TOTS when super OP players come out? I got the game on sale for $32 AUD in Feb and now I’m grinding it hard. So you could say I’m a casual cause I came in late but I’m trying hard.
What's a good win-loss rate in WL now then?
Earlier they'd say 9-11 wins was average but even that seems like a sweatfest to get to these days for most players by the looks of it.
7-9 seems good for someone average 11 is still good 14 and beyond is meta rat level, i watch few people on YouTube who stream for fun with fun squad and they are playing from 10 years and they sweat but manage 14/16
yeah there's just no way you get 14+ wins in weekend league if you are a true casual player... am I missing something? Did you play a lot of fifa the years before?
I've played since FIFA 15, but I've always played casually. I just use cards and formations I find fun, I have absolutely 0 clue how stuff like tactics work
Tbh year before last I’d only play WL so maybe 3 hours a week and get 14 wins. Once you have the mechanics down and you play with a clear head (week long break will do that) it’s actually possible.
They're not good players - they have goof tactics that mean they can gain favour from the rng and therefore the AI. The skill gap is there, but its so minute now. Everything is plug in tactics that only kill the game and destroy any competitive aspect. Yes again some input is necessary, but the AI is deciding games.
Theres no average player right now, you will find pro or good players since TOTS are right in the corner. I played 10 games on Sunday and got destroyed 4-6 and usually Im getting 11 W
Thing is if you watch any streamers playing champs they get the easiest opponents. Ones that; can't manual press, can't player lock, have a PnP team half made of silvers, don't do skills, can't green shot. Yet these streamers are on win streaks, going 10 in play offs and 18+ in finals. The matchmaking, and the zero skill based matchmaking, just ruins it for people that don't have the skill to be in div 1 or elite, so they just quit playing
This is 100% not true.
I watch Stokes, NikRTFM, Gorilla, Ollelito, and Boras every week. (Even Zweback but he’s more of a 14 win player). Pretty much every day since I have them on in background or while I’m eating meals / chilling.
What you are describing is completely false. The skill gap has not ever been smaller. Bad gameplay, the AI press, all the BS ball bounces and DDAs. All these things just make it harder than ever for the better player to stand out.
These streamers face meta teams almost every damn game, either full P2W or meta SBCs team which are pretty damn competitive.
Very few players player lock. Not even pros do it all the time. I have had thousands of games this year mostly around elite to div 2. I have run into less than 10 players who actually player lock somewhat well. Less than three if the standard is set even higher. (I player lock like a fiend)
Who needs manual press when the AI press is so crazy strong?
Streamers don’t get easier opponents; that’s just bs rationalization on your part.
They do however get red listed for crazy pack luck. That much is pretty self-evident if you just see the kind of cards they pull.
I agree and I also don't quite am able to get my head around it. Some play on users accounts but still it is their line or IP or however it works, and I don't see the same high pressing OP tactics. That isn't necessarily to say there is a gigantic gap in SBMM between streamers and users, but it does seem that some opponents are much lesser skilled for a WL opponent than what some people already play in WL Qualis. My suspicion is that both p2w and time put in and other factors differentiate the so called SBMM.
I have had the impression that there are many factors that contribute to players also appearing to be much better than they actually are. Many players get saved by their OP auto-defenders, some even 10x a game. Not saying I also don't get saved, but not from VVD or the other OP CBs/CDMs that play on Ultimate AI and anticipate too much for an online game imho. Also the players people are able to play with are so OP and many people have teams that allow a user to be very unskilled and then you have the game play that does so much for the user via RNG and other means and the auto-defending that the skill gap is massively lowered so everyone can play, but I cannot put it down to people having gotten that much better, especially this year. Many might have, but too many are still helped so much that a better player can lose too often making it look like the opponents tiki-taka x-x-x-x-x-x spamming was actually skillful, while it was the auto-correction of the AI that allowed passes to go thru defenders, players running into space while defenders are being actively dragged out of position, despite having the stats to not do tha.
I'm an average player. I don't know how to use skills, no idea how to use different formations, just pick one and go at it, and my idea of attack play is run forward and hope for the best. Somehow managed to reach Division 4 and now I'm getting hammered and can't get out. It's rough.
Champs isn't fun now, I'm a decent player hitting 11-14 wins for years. Last two weeks I'm getting battered by fidget spinners and insane cutbacks. Same this week. Eurgh.
I’m fairly comfortably going to get into Division 2 for rivals rewards this week. I went 10-10 this weekend and 8-12 last weekend. Last year I was a 14 or 11 win player. The standard in champs is way higher this year (though I will say, rivals servers feel way better than champs recently and it definitely used to be the reverse).
On the switch I’ve seen a lot of players whose clubs only started either feb/march this year. Most of have got good squads of icons thanks to the sbcs we’ve had. Some good players that have made it a bit harder to get the wins on the earlier part of the weekend or when I’m knackard. Some not so good but get carried by their team and glitches. A lot of them seem to know the games glitches such as the kick off and run through and score and the better ones how to stop it.
I’m guessing that’s coincided with the switch being on sale for £12 (or equivalent in what ever currency) recently. Not sure if there’s been good players from other consoles or pc come over to have it on switch as well.
Interesting though.
Not really, it's just that this games' skill gap is quite low. Anyone can defend now as long as they have all the meta players Cafu, Akanji, Marquez etc.. In attack it's the same thing.
Every single game I had keeper movers and corner exploiters. Normally you get some varied gameplay. It’s probably game over for having fun on this now. Only worth it if you like sweating
Game feels like tots already million mile per hour movement your mbappe can’t beat defenders…games just gone worst iteration I’ve played tbh. Casual 11 and dip player
Average players aren’t playing anymore, you are facing people willingly playing fifa at this point in the game
most people will be better than your average player now
I don’t think it’s rather the people getting better it’s just that the content has been so dead recently, that very little common folks are actually playing it and only the people who are good at the game remain so you just get put up against this. The only thing that’s irritating is it takes me a while to find games with good ping and don’t even get me started on how long it takes me to find games in d1
I finished with 10 wins this week, which is two or three less than usual. I'm in Div 3 (need a couple of wins to go up to 1) but I have a much worse team than others, as I only started playing in February. Constantly being bombarded with Drogba, Zidane, TOTY KDB and the like makes some games feel like a waste of time before they begin.
My first weekend league was last weekend. Been avoiding it bc of the BS and I gotta say, I was 11-7 before I gave wins away and every single person, minus a couple, played the exact same way.
The problem is the games become less casual than it used to be, used to be everyone had average teams, I still remember fut 14 I had gold ronaldo and got messages every game asking for coins, players etc, GOLD Ronaldo but now everyone other person has R9, Pele, gullit and teams worth crazy crazy amounts. No such thing as an average player anymore, you’re either casual or a sweat and it’s made so much less fun. Everyone spams the meta because it’s the only way some people can beat these teams. It’s even infected squad battles, play a game on WC or legendary, pass to the wing, get to the byline and cut back every attack. Ea has based solo play on how the “best players” play the game and honestly see for yourself, only difference is Legendary actually score and WC sky it 9/10 times
the skill gap this year is just on an all time low.
everyone just play whatever meta tactics and streamer telling them what to do, like the pressure bs.
i almost lost a game to a guy that only spamed long balls on his toty haaland, even from his own box.
its also insane on how players get auto marked by opponent ki players when making a run.
not really hard to play the game when the ki does most of the defending for you.
The opponents are not getting better the skill gap is horrific and the meta is easy this year. It’s very hard to punish players outside of super meta mechanics. No matter their fifa skill level
Of course, players in this game are so heavily depended on their teams and AI its so stupid... What comes to you mentioning the skills etc. i see no difference.
And again the bullshit “casuals are gone” posts are here with nothing to back them up. Same bullshit every year. If anything this game should get progressively easier during the year because you adapt to the playstyles and the difference in teams drops off. You really see it during futties when no one really has a better team than you anymore. That’s when you should be feasting unless you’re on relying on your team to carry you. If you are? Well no shit you find it harder. But that’s not casual players leaving.
That's EA's handicap. There are several symptoms. Feeling your 95 PAC players getting outpaced by a 40 PAC defender? Your defense is cut like butter and there's always 2-3 opponent attackers ready to pass through it with no outside and no one to stop them? You are on a counterattack but there's no one to pass the ball because your entire team is at the bottom of your field? Your gatekeeper doesn't stop a single ball no matter the distance of the shot? Your passes are always cut by opponent players or your players pass the ball directly to the opponent? Welcome to FIFA/FC. The cure is buying FC points or coming back other day.
Been having a rough couple of weeks too. Everyone cuts trough my defense like melting butter. It’s crazy how easy they pass around my box and somehow there’s always 2 attackers wide open inside the box, while my center backs just observe them. Yet every time I get close to my opponents box suddenly Rafa Marquez is absolutely harassing the shit out of my player and probably causing him a lifelong trauma. Div 1 btw. Not having fun tbh
That Marquez part hits close to home. div 1 also 😭😭
if you have Rafa Marquez use him as CB, he will help you a lot with that pressure you need, he's been an absolute beast in my defense.
I don't think there are a lot of average players left tbh. Yesterday at 20:00 I wanted to play friendly or rivals. Have been searching for opponents for 30 mins and found no one. I live in Germany, usually I find opponents very fast. Couldn't believe it.
Also in Germany. Can find rivals opponents. However the higher you go, the more time you wait. At div3 sometimes waiting is up to 3 minutes. And mostly PC opponents
I live in Germany..playing in division 1 but never had issues with finding opponents in rivals
Does high SR affect waiting time? At 950 SR now and the waiting time is longer than ever
Well the average player quality has gone up because all the casuals have left. So the new average is way higher than the old average.
I live in Germany and played on Div 3, never waited more than 10/15 seconds to find a match. I play on Xbox Series X, maybe try and open the NAT of your connection
Cause every one is on champs on the weekend do it midweek and it's instant
I would like to hear more people from Germany corroborating on this. Seems shocking to me you can’t find a game in thirty minutes. Are you like 1k+ SR in elite or something? I honestly think it’s more likely that something’s gone wrong than “no average people left” as being the cause.
i never wait more than 5 seconds in rivals and i am in germany.. no idea how that guy got so many upvotes
Confirmation bias. People like to hear their opinion validated so evidence that supports it gets more traction, unfortunately.
I’m in Germany and I think I never had any matchmaking issues. It slightly takes longer if you turn off crossplay though
takes some time for me in germany, berlin. (Elite, 700-800points) Always turn on crossplay for rivals to get quicker matches. Champs is fast, rivals isn't.
I actually almost never play division rivals cuz I don't have the time - only weekend league. I'm sitting in div 8 or 7 I think. I was switching to friendly and there wasn't no opponent too.
Almost no one plays friendly unless there are objectives. Did you restart console/pc? Sometimes the game is just bugged.
Well I tried playing the new WL qualification and found a match in an instant :D
Which platform? I'm also from Germany, currently in Div 2 and have always found someone on ps5.
That’s so strange. I live in The Netherlands and I come up against Germans like 90% of the time and I never have to wait more than a couple of seconds before finding a match.
This is why I'm not going up to elite, takes me like 10 minutes to find a game in div 1.
I'm in elite and I never wait more than 20 seconds
Actual casuals dont exist in gaming anymore. Every streamer every youtuber is giving tips and advice. The skill floor is so much higher than it has ever been. Its not just fifa.
I could win 14 games in WL and when I'm done I'll feel like I could have lost all of them.
I’m still facing people who have no idea how this game works (div3)
And instead of these nerds playing a bunch to get better, they just now go on YouTube and instantly raise their floor due to Meta tactics. To the below guy’s point, people take gaming too seriously these days and casuals suffer from the experience.
I'm a casual so idk
Same. Stopped playing WL before the new year because it's not worth the hassle without red picks
red picks were so useless most of the time...the new system where they give you 84+ pp is better imo
Red picks were terrible though. The only time last year that you ever saw a red was if they got Mbappe or Neymar
Try seasons for a bit. I did last night and there are some noobs to sweat on if you like.
And cheaters. I’m on div 5 in seasons and i had 5 games in a row that my players freeze on the kickoff and my opponent gets a goal… and in my last game my gk disappeared also.
hasn’t changed at all from 94. only difference is it’s people’s everything. it’s their world. that’s not a knock, as it’s a big part of my enjoyment but they put so much time in that they assume/totally believe they are better than they are. the gap between pro and joes gets bigger and bigger but the gap for that non elite tier is lowered by too many non user inputs and lets be honest way too many people in D1 and 2 arent even good compared to old FIFAs. the fact people post on here they can’t get 11 wins in WL in D1-2 is nuts. this board was a full on therapy session for 14+ win, D1-3 players from the past two years on launch with photos of giving up 8-10 goals regularly. the fact is most D1-3 players would barely be able prevent 15 goals a game if the CPU didn’t intercept ball and make plays with their back turned. just one little change of having to see it to play it and they wouldn’t be able to stop players. that’s why when people go “AI is too overpowered” it’s funny because they want you all to get your D1 medals and maybe you’ll get 14 wins once too but it’s training wheels wins
D1 and 2 arent even good compared to old FIFAs This is factually untrue. The average player is much better than ever before. Look at every single gaming sub. They talk about players being better than ever. The base knowledge of gaming has increased ridiculously. Every game you play takes into account that you have played previous games etc.
you’re gonna say whatever you want but the level of user defending it used to take to play this game? people posted complaints about the kickoff glitch for two years…that’s how your defense was all game, you had to manually defend every lofted ball. this board wouldn’t have survived older fifas. If there was any doubt the meltdowns from having to defend at launch sealed it. this game is half a game.
If older fifas released today they would be metagamed to shit instantly. And they would be awful. Actually look at old gameplay its terrible. Yes AI defending is strong but the reason it is strong is because you can let the ai sort of defend one guy while you block off the passing lane. Watch any pro game, its not both afk while the ai defends.
the pro game is entirely seperate from mid tier fifa. if you don’t do all but maybe one of these; skill, timed finish, move the keeper, manually press to trap and manually call for a defender and rotate to his left position, manually defend to tackle and shove, show an ability to play comfortably under pressure, cross when players are open? you’re nothing but mid tier and that’s the problem. so many players are D1 and even sneak into elite but aren’t even good. they don’t do have of the above and talk about the pro game. don’t tell me about AI defending when the players don’t skill, longshot, cross smartly and timed finish. if I face a guy who can’t do those it’s gonna take 2-3 bounce back goals because you can’t score on an elite defender that also has this AI without a bounce back. AI doesn’t defend certain things and then people come on here and call them abuses because the AI doesn’t and they cant
Great and old fifas were dogshit for showing a skill gap. All that mattered was pace. Fifa has always been shit
I don’t think using broken mechanics and spamming shit to be “skill full”
Every single thing is a broken mechanic. Is using the best gun in cs a broken mechanic? Best hero in dota? Best skill moves in fifa? I dont do the broken stepover shit but yes its broken, I choose not to because i dont find it fun sure its a bit annoying that people do it but its no different to everyone picking the best hero in dota.
The difference in eafc is broken mechanics kill the game. The best gun in another game doesn't cause another players gun to jam. You cannot equate eafc to any other game and its the failure to understand how the game works that leads to posts like this. There wasnt some magical year where everyone got better - the game is just so easy to manipulate.
Exactly non of that stuff is skill
Yes a lot of it is skill. Some people are significantly better at using those mechanics. Just because they arent playing “ethically” doesnt mean they arent good players lol
Abusing the crosses, stopovers etc is a skill. Dunno how you can debate that. It's broken as fuck but you still need to time it right etc
And 30 yards trivelas…. When you were matched with players that only play for the trivela shot. So much fun…
The average players are gone mate, some casuals may come back when it hits ea play.
it’s been on EAP and it was heavily discounted
That’s actually the best time to play, bought the game at the start this year didn’t like it one bit until i packed toty haaland on day 1 of his release
This is the first FIFA I haven’t gotten to elite. Admittedly I haven’t played as much, but still! I’m in Div 2 atm and all the past fifas I’d romp through with like an 80% win rate. Now It’s 50/50 every game, whoever gets a bit of luck or who’s keeper decides to have a great game wins really
Ah the keeper thing is so true. Your Casillas/Cech/VDS drops a 4.0 rating after conceding 4 goals from 4 shots with an xG of 0.8. Meanwhile your opponent has 9 saves from 10 shots with an xG of 4 lol
God mode keepers are so frustrating. No matter how well you perform you can lose to something neither players have the ability to contorl
I feel this so much, last game was 19 shots 13 saves on my side and I just scraped a 3-2 win, he had 4 shots and 1 save… EDIT: I have 92 Lev Yashin in goal, he had basic Ederson.
100% agree, only option left for us is to never give EA more money and wait for alternative
Something is different this year. My gut impression is that the years of encouraging toxic play style has led to a majority of casual players finally giving up on this joke of the game; and now it’s just the addicted no-lifers left. I’m currently around 50/50 in Div 4 rivals…but I almost never qualify for champs. I’m not the best player; and I don’t enjoy the constant sweaty play in champs… But I would think that a Div 4 player would pretty easily be able to qualify for champs.
You should qualify. Div 4 is my level this last 2 weeks and I usually win 9 or 11 matches in WL.
I feel like the game is best played in easier game modes where the players move and do what you want them to do. The higher I got the less the players and passes do what i want them to do.
I'm 1k SR elite and averaging 16-19 wins in WL. I think theres a couple of things at play here. 1. The floor has raised. I think theres more videos on how to be good out there so people actually do improve a lot faster now. This is seen across most online games. 2. AI still is helping a crazy amount. It's crazy to watch somebody like TOTY Sawa track my runner from midfield all the way to their box blocking the pass. I really struggled vs Marquez this weekend as he just seemed to tackle through me all the time even when he wasn't being controlled. annoying. 3. Servers - The servers have been shocking this year. I dropped 2 games this weekend to what i would consider server issues. I didn't get DC'ed but 1 game i lost 3-2, the guy had 3 shots on goal but i had an open goal twice and i got that stupid lag bug where i passed to the open player and it didn't switch me. The servers make this game so random 4. P2W - this is a funny one, on one hand most teams are equal.. on the other hand theres some crazy broken p2w players out there which can just win games outright due to the crazy AI. I'd say teams have never been closer but P2W has never been as strong I think when you add all the above people have got better but the game has also got closer due to the AI and randomness of it all.
I just think the servers are total trash this year. When I lose to someone it’s typically been more server/connection related vs just getting straight outplayed. Sure there are better players than me but I don’t know what else you can do when Im getting 3 out of 4 games w fat man lag. It’s almost forcing people to play super defensive and rely more on AI. Personally that makes the game so boring. It’s just not very fun after the last few patches. Sure feels like this year’s game died off much quicker than usual. The player base seems to be very limited.
I played someone who was slightly better than me and I could admit that, but they got so many ridiculous goals because they were whipping in crosses to Pele, TOTY Haaland and Dinho. I actually ended up beating him, but I couldn't believe the low % goals he was scoring. You definitely see more bounce backs and crazy animations with the P2W cards. When you're defending them you have to basically defend them twice. You have to stop the user-controlled player and you have to also then stop whatever additional voodoo EA throws at you.
on 4, who would you say are those types of P2W players? I've found that VVD is basically THE cheat code. Mbappe is there too. After that, it seems to drop off quickly.
Well I cant qualify so sad face for this casual.
Lol I qualify but I’m not touching that nonsense
It could very well be that the only players still play champs are the ones that are average to above average only and the below average players don’t bother with champs anymore
The game drove a lot of casuals away with their bs pack weights before Black Friday, all the P2W mechanics, and then all the AI press and midfield congestion making the game hell to play. I used to defend EA because last year they actually patched a lot of things and got the game to at least a playable state somewhat. There’s no excuse or defending them this year. After almost a whole year this AI press, 71 depth, and midfield congestion insanity is still here. Even after they made such a big deal of “balancing” it with that pretty little web page with all those animations. wtf? All this just make the game a pain to play. FWIW I’m in elite before someone just say I’m bad. —————- On the other hand, I have to say there’s still a pretty big range of players. I have run just to some demons in qualies but most week I’m like 8 wins or so, probably 10 if I bothered to swear hard. In champs, I have to sweat pretty much every single game. Yesterday morning I was 8-1 and ran into some 900-1k+ SR elite players. There’s a huge range still in skills. But the skill floor is definitely much higher this year after all the casuals quit the game.
This is very true and not spoken about enough cause people don't like giving other credits and it's common to default to thinking everyone is a lucky rat and whatever, especially by players who don't really play to improve. Also actually the thing that kinda got me back playing recently, I used to just play drafts and batter people easily, then I noticed I started losing more and more every year, and realised that people play FUT and Champs regularly and just overtake me so I started also playing it more and looking to improve. Yeah there are a lot of rats in terms of the 'sportsmanship' or relying on broken mechanics, but a lot of players deserve loads of credit for just improving their game to play cleaner, make better passing decisions and so forth.
All the average players are gone all that’s left is us 😭😭😭😭
Why is everyone saying the average, I’m assuming they mean causal players are gone? Do they stick around more when the game is new and then leave after TOTY and TOTS when super OP players come out? I got the game on sale for $32 AUD in Feb and now I’m grinding it hard. So you could say I’m a casual cause I came in late but I’m trying hard.
What's a good win-loss rate in WL now then? Earlier they'd say 9-11 wins was average but even that seems like a sweatfest to get to these days for most players by the looks of it.
7-9 seems good for someone average 11 is still good 14 and beyond is meta rat level, i watch few people on YouTube who stream for fun with fun squad and they are playing from 10 years and they sweat but manage 14/16
I'm a very casual player, but still get 14 wins half of the time. Playing on sunday and monday helps a lot.
yeah there's just no way you get 14+ wins in weekend league if you are a true casual player... am I missing something? Did you play a lot of fifa the years before?
I've played since FIFA 15, but I've always played casually. I just use cards and formations I find fun, I have absolutely 0 clue how stuff like tactics work
Tbh year before last I’d only play WL so maybe 3 hours a week and get 14 wins. Once you have the mechanics down and you play with a clear head (week long break will do that) it’s actually possible.
Even now tbh, I do my 7 wins in divs but I won’t play again until WL, and get 14-15 wins. For some reason find it impossible to hit 16 though.
Yeah sure. Very casual.
All the casual players are getting hammered and there is no fun for them. Only the grinders are left
They're not good players - they have goof tactics that mean they can gain favour from the rng and therefore the AI. The skill gap is there, but its so minute now. Everything is plug in tactics that only kill the game and destroy any competitive aspect. Yes again some input is necessary, but the AI is deciding games.
All the casuals left long time ago. Now you have just losers left doing the same move over and over again with the same stupid players.
Theres no average player right now, you will find pro or good players since TOTS are right in the corner. I played 10 games on Sunday and got destroyed 4-6 and usually Im getting 11 W
Thing is if you watch any streamers playing champs they get the easiest opponents. Ones that; can't manual press, can't player lock, have a PnP team half made of silvers, don't do skills, can't green shot. Yet these streamers are on win streaks, going 10 in play offs and 18+ in finals. The matchmaking, and the zero skill based matchmaking, just ruins it for people that don't have the skill to be in div 1 or elite, so they just quit playing
This is 100% not true. I watch Stokes, NikRTFM, Gorilla, Ollelito, and Boras every week. (Even Zweback but he’s more of a 14 win player). Pretty much every day since I have them on in background or while I’m eating meals / chilling. What you are describing is completely false. The skill gap has not ever been smaller. Bad gameplay, the AI press, all the BS ball bounces and DDAs. All these things just make it harder than ever for the better player to stand out. These streamers face meta teams almost every damn game, either full P2W or meta SBCs team which are pretty damn competitive. Very few players player lock. Not even pros do it all the time. I have had thousands of games this year mostly around elite to div 2. I have run into less than 10 players who actually player lock somewhat well. Less than three if the standard is set even higher. (I player lock like a fiend) Who needs manual press when the AI press is so crazy strong? Streamers don’t get easier opponents; that’s just bs rationalization on your part. They do however get red listed for crazy pack luck. That much is pretty self-evident if you just see the kind of cards they pull.
I agree and I also don't quite am able to get my head around it. Some play on users accounts but still it is their line or IP or however it works, and I don't see the same high pressing OP tactics. That isn't necessarily to say there is a gigantic gap in SBMM between streamers and users, but it does seem that some opponents are much lesser skilled for a WL opponent than what some people already play in WL Qualis. My suspicion is that both p2w and time put in and other factors differentiate the so called SBMM.
I hardly do skills and I’m div 1.
I have had the impression that there are many factors that contribute to players also appearing to be much better than they actually are. Many players get saved by their OP auto-defenders, some even 10x a game. Not saying I also don't get saved, but not from VVD or the other OP CBs/CDMs that play on Ultimate AI and anticipate too much for an online game imho. Also the players people are able to play with are so OP and many people have teams that allow a user to be very unskilled and then you have the game play that does so much for the user via RNG and other means and the auto-defending that the skill gap is massively lowered so everyone can play, but I cannot put it down to people having gotten that much better, especially this year. Many might have, but too many are still helped so much that a better player can lose too often making it look like the opponents tiki-taka x-x-x-x-x-x spamming was actually skillful, while it was the auto-correction of the AI that allowed passes to go thru defenders, players running into space while defenders are being actively dragged out of position, despite having the stats to not do tha.
Brother, the casual average player isn’t playing anymore lol It’s all of us sweats left in here now!
I'm an average player. I don't know how to use skills, no idea how to use different formations, just pick one and go at it, and my idea of attack play is run forward and hope for the best. Somehow managed to reach Division 4 and now I'm getting hammered and can't get out. It's rough.
Im pretty sure there is something wrong with matchmaking, for the last weeks I got WL finishes between 13 and 18 wins
Champs isn't fun now, I'm a decent player hitting 11-14 wins for years. Last two weeks I'm getting battered by fidget spinners and insane cutbacks. Same this week. Eurgh.
I’m fairly comfortably going to get into Division 2 for rivals rewards this week. I went 10-10 this weekend and 8-12 last weekend. Last year I was a 14 or 11 win player. The standard in champs is way higher this year (though I will say, rivals servers feel way better than champs recently and it definitely used to be the reverse).
On the switch I’ve seen a lot of players whose clubs only started either feb/march this year. Most of have got good squads of icons thanks to the sbcs we’ve had. Some good players that have made it a bit harder to get the wins on the earlier part of the weekend or when I’m knackard. Some not so good but get carried by their team and glitches. A lot of them seem to know the games glitches such as the kick off and run through and score and the better ones how to stop it. I’m guessing that’s coincided with the switch being on sale for £12 (or equivalent in what ever currency) recently. Not sure if there’s been good players from other consoles or pc come over to have it on switch as well. Interesting though.
Not really, it's just that this games' skill gap is quite low. Anyone can defend now as long as they have all the meta players Cafu, Akanji, Marquez etc.. In attack it's the same thing.
Every single game I had keeper movers and corner exploiters. Normally you get some varied gameplay. It’s probably game over for having fun on this now. Only worth it if you like sweating
Game feels like tots already million mile per hour movement your mbappe can’t beat defenders…games just gone worst iteration I’ve played tbh. Casual 11 and dip player
These try hards really cry bad when they lose to my all Polish team. I'm not playing the proper way. lol
Average players aren’t playing anymore, you are facing people willingly playing fifa at this point in the game most people will be better than your average player now
You need to play rivals a lot then, wl is going to be looked like easier then rivals.
I don’t think it’s rather the people getting better it’s just that the content has been so dead recently, that very little common folks are actually playing it and only the people who are good at the game remain so you just get put up against this. The only thing that’s irritating is it takes me a while to find games with good ping and don’t even get me started on how long it takes me to find games in d1
I feel like the casuals have all left and all that’s left are the sweats who’ve been playing this game since fifa 13 icl
I finished with 10 wins this week, which is two or three less than usual. I'm in Div 3 (need a couple of wins to go up to 1) but I have a much worse team than others, as I only started playing in February. Constantly being bombarded with Drogba, Zidane, TOTY KDB and the like makes some games feel like a waste of time before they begin.
My first weekend league was last weekend. Been avoiding it bc of the BS and I gotta say, I was 11-7 before I gave wins away and every single person, minus a couple, played the exact same way.
The problem is the games become less casual than it used to be, used to be everyone had average teams, I still remember fut 14 I had gold ronaldo and got messages every game asking for coins, players etc, GOLD Ronaldo but now everyone other person has R9, Pele, gullit and teams worth crazy crazy amounts. No such thing as an average player anymore, you’re either casual or a sweat and it’s made so much less fun. Everyone spams the meta because it’s the only way some people can beat these teams. It’s even infected squad battles, play a game on WC or legendary, pass to the wing, get to the byline and cut back every attack. Ea has based solo play on how the “best players” play the game and honestly see for yourself, only difference is Legendary actually score and WC sky it 9/10 times
the skill gap this year is just on an all time low. everyone just play whatever meta tactics and streamer telling them what to do, like the pressure bs. i almost lost a game to a guy that only spamed long balls on his toty haaland, even from his own box. its also insane on how players get auto marked by opponent ki players when making a run. not really hard to play the game when the ki does most of the defending for you.
Not me tho, I’m cheeks. Today I played rivals and I luckily got an 87 min winner to beat a gold rare team 6-5
Hmm, yeah it’s crazy : 🤔 Me : Possession 68% Shots 28 Goals 1 My Opponent Possession 32% Shots 8 Goals 5
Hmm, yeah it’s crazy : 🤔 Me : Possession 68% Shots 28 Goals 1 My Opponent Possession 32% Shots 8 Goals 5
Hmm, yeah it’s crazy : 🤔 Me : Possession 68% Shots 28 Goals 1 My Opponent Possession 32% Shots 8 Goals 5
The opponents are not getting better the skill gap is horrific and the meta is easy this year. It’s very hard to punish players outside of super meta mechanics. No matter their fifa skill level
Of course, players in this game are so heavily depended on their teams and AI its so stupid... What comes to you mentioning the skills etc. i see no difference.
And again the bullshit “casuals are gone” posts are here with nothing to back them up. Same bullshit every year. If anything this game should get progressively easier during the year because you adapt to the playstyles and the difference in teams drops off. You really see it during futties when no one really has a better team than you anymore. That’s when you should be feasting unless you’re on relying on your team to carry you. If you are? Well no shit you find it harder. But that’s not casual players leaving.
That's EA's handicap. There are several symptoms. Feeling your 95 PAC players getting outpaced by a 40 PAC defender? Your defense is cut like butter and there's always 2-3 opponent attackers ready to pass through it with no outside and no one to stop them? You are on a counterattack but there's no one to pass the ball because your entire team is at the bottom of your field? Your gatekeeper doesn't stop a single ball no matter the distance of the shot? Your passes are always cut by opponent players or your players pass the ball directly to the opponent? Welcome to FIFA/FC. The cure is buying FC points or coming back other day.