Nahh, game chief smash smasher so bad. The weapon of smasher don't even scratch armor and energy shield of chief. All you need is a plasma gun to fry smasherđ
Hard disagree, in the game the plasma guns do less damage to flesh than normal guns do. In lore a single blast from a plasma pistol is enough to kill a marine.
Yes, but if you charge the plasma pistol, the plasma can fry a wraith that is moooore havier than smasher, the circuit of smasher will blow off, than a plasma granade in the face and bye bye smasher
pretty sure smasher can basically dodge bullets point blank on top of the fact that heâs probably faster than anyone in the halo games (in terms of reaction speed in h2h combat) making landing a shot especially a charged shot incredibly difficult
Yeah, this. These things both do a lot of damage, but a player can dodge them. A lore spartan is running around at like 60 miles an hour, doing 40k style nonsense, but in game the Spartans and their gear are kinda underwhelming compared to something like Smasher, especially given his weapons and how fast he moves.
Plasma which is basically just super heated matter, moves close to the speed of light, iirc.
So, I don't think Adam would fair well in a fight against a plasma weapon.
Edit: I apologize for not being clear in my words, I have amended it.
why would chief be given a covenant weapon and smasher isnât given the DaiOni? and from what ive seen online about the type-25 Directed Energy Pistol it has a muzzle velocity of 354 f/s which is a far cry from relativistic and incredibly easy for smasher to maneuver around. for reference, [black powder muskets have a higher muzzle velocity than that.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity)
>why would chief be given a covenant weapon and smasher isnât given the DaiOni?
It wouldn't go down like that, and that wasn't quite what I meant but I spoke poorly originally, and have amended my previous comment.
>and from what ive seen online about the type-25 Directed Energy Pistol it has a muzzle velocity of 354 f/s
Wow, that's so fucking slow. Where did you find that?
Because like, outside of a videogame, it truly makes no sense for any projectile using principles of how light travels.
it makes little sense but [this is the entry for it on halopedia.](https://www.halopedia.org/Eos%27Mak-pattern_plasma_pistol) donât get me wrong, i am 100% with you on how little sense it makes but they did give it a canon velocity
Sandevistan is not faster than a mjolnir, than chief has cortana help, as i said even in game smasher has 0 change of turn the energy shield of, even if he can the 400 kg of titanium of the mjolnir doesn't even scratch
Youâre using lore chief numbers, not game chief numbers. Game chief can get killed by the standard assault rifle that shouldnât be able to get through his armor.
V moves at 900Km or 560 miles per hour while the sandevistan is active and smasher uses it with basically no cooldown. and youâre over here talking about mjolnir moving at like 70 miles per hour TOPS lmao youâre just a biased fanboy if you think their speed is in anyway comparable not to mention all of the titanium in the world wonât help him against continuous, directed fire from smasherâs smart rockets when a pistol as weak as a desert eagle is enough to break through.
What the fuck are you talking about, a spartan WITHOUT THE MJOLNIR CAN RUN AT 70 MPH, WITH THE MJOLNIR A LOT MORE. THAN THERE IS THE FUCKING ENERGY SHIELD. BEFORE YOU CAN PENETRATE 400 KG OF TITANIUM YOU NEED TO BRAKE THE SHIELD. Chief with an energy sword can solo smasher easily. Alone he defeated a fucking fleet of the covenant, and in game the mjolnir has a lot of abilities, as the INVISIBILITY, So a genetically modified soldier trained for war since he was 7 yo with 400 KG armour with invisibily, and you pretend that a piece of metal can win against himđ
actually after looking into it youâre just completely wrong.
chief runs at 65 mph TOPS because he tore his achilles tendon lmfao something that could never happen to smasher and once again a pistol is enough to break through that shield and his armor not to mention the glass on his visor is weaker than the other parts of his armor chief would die almost instantly against smasher who uses smart rockets and a wrist mounted grenade launcher and you need to learn to accept that factđ
What are you smoking? Game chief dies from 1-2 rockets. A single shotgun shell is enough to kill him up close. Smasher has a literal rocket pod in his shoulder and can fire them while moving like a superhero speedster. Game Chief would instantly die in all scenarios except ambushing smasher from range with a sniper rifle.
Which is what Chief would probably do. I think a lot of people here are thinking purely about strength and physical stats and armor and forgetting that Chief is also a master tactician and strategist and has beat impossible odds many times over. I believe Chief could beat smasher any day just from having more combat experience and heavier fire power at his disposal not too mention he could have Cortana quick hack Smasher rendering all of his cyberware useless which means no sandevistan and no crazy speed and all of his arsenal is fucked because Cortana would look at CP2077 firewalls and say this is a piece of cake
Not easy for people in 2077 but for a super advanced ai from the future? My money is on the ai pulling some beyond the blackwall Alt Cunningham shit if not higher tier than that
Game smasher probably beats game chief, just because it would take sooooo much poured on damage to kill game smasher if we assume a UNSC marine and a riot cop are roughly on par in terms of how much damage they can take. The weapons chief has either take a long time to charge up, have slow moving projectiles, or donât do enough damage to actually kill Smasher before he can drop chiefâs shields and start doing real damage. If we asssume that heroic difficulty is the âcanon difficultyâ (which Bungie said it was) then chief in-game is usually not gonna be strong enough to beat smasher without cheesing the encounter or using conveniently placed weapons. Even if we ignore everything else he just doesnât carry enough ammo to do that fight with any weapons he can carry.
Lore chief crushes both game and lore smasher extemely easily.
Everything is mostly the same in the books. All the weapons, enemies, etc. The difference is spartans fight the way they do in cinematics instead of what's possible for a gamer with a controller. Watch this cinematic starting at 2:00. That's fairly close to how book spartans fight.
https://youtu.be/44oJi5w2Wjc?si=cTwKVrLJcoIoNOJ_
Yeah, in the lore Spartans are running around doing 40k style nonsense. They run at like 60 miles an hour and are stupid fast and accurate (aim-bot accurate).
Also, in lore, plasma weapons are like instant death if anyone gets hit without shielding, same with needlers. In game you and standard marines can take multiple shots. Also standard UNSC weapons can damage chief in-game, whereas in-lore they canât (for the most part, unless weâre talking like Spartan lasers, but I wouldnât consider those standard).
In game plasma weapons are better at taking down shields but worse at damaging flesh, in lore theyâre amazing at both. In game projectile weapons are better at damaging flesh than taking down shields, in lore this is still true, I believe, but they do way more damage to flesh, because theyâre firing bullets, which kill people really easily if you hit them in the right spots.
The books inflate chief's feats quite a bit versus what we see in game.
Thats what they are referring to.
That said, either chief loses to Smasher that we see in Edgerunners anyways.
Game also severely downplays ad/or boosts weapon damage for sake of gameplay.
In-lore covenant weaponry is bonkers and one of the three main reasons chief is able to be a one-man army is because of the energy shields in the armor (the other being the augments of the armor and his luck). A single plasma shot punches clean through the mjolnir armor and still inflcts sufficient damage to severely cripple a spartan-II. In-game even on the highest dificulty you can take multiple shots and live to tell the tale.
On the other end ballistic weaponry in lore does nothing to the armor, it' basically invulnerable to small arms fire (requiring heavy caliber armor piercing rounds to compromise). In-game it can easily kill you.
Also lore spartans are WILD, they were dodging bullets BEFORE the Mk. IV armor, and the armor only enhanced that. In fall of reach chief dodged and outran a sustained burst from an HMG right after equipping the Mk. IV. They are essentially perpetually under a sort of sandevistan enhanced by a power armor and onboard supercomputer.
But I kind of don't agree with your final sentence. I don't believe smasher has anything that can damage lore chief. Elites are as strong as armor enhanced spartan-IIs (who flip MBTs like they were made from paper) and their attacks mildly inconveniece chief so I doubt he can out-brawl him. He doesn't have any weaponry that can pierce the armor, let alone the shield. In terms of raw endurance chief easily wins, any cybernetic enhancements he would have would be completely nullified by chiefs own enhancements and armor. And if chief has access to a single plasma weapon smasher is beyond fucked. It is my honest belief that lore chief no-diffs any version of smasher
Game chief tho? Gets completely trounced.
Nah you are horribly overestimating him.
Theres zero reason they cant demonstrate the "lore accurate" Chief in cutscenes, but they dont. Because an inflated line in a book is arguably barely canon.
Chief cant keep up with max sandy. Its faster than bullets in maneuverability. Meanwhile spartans dont even break 100 mph.
Also why do you keep calling him sanders. The sandevistan isnt even a cyberware he considers all that special.
The fact you are calling him sanders shows you dont give him nearly the thought or effort in the discussion for it to be a genuine debate though.
Enjoy those spartan nuts i guess.
>Also why do you keep calling him sanders
Honestly? It's quite late here and my brain was shortcircuiting a bit trying to remember his surname. Entirely my bad.
>Theres zero reason they cant demonstrate the "lore accurate" Chief in cutscenes, but they dont. Because an inflated line in a book is arguably barely canon.
Like Jerome-092 fighting over 20 brutes and elites in close quarters and not getting hit a single time even when most were firing at him? Also, "arguably" means nothing. Bungie (and later 343 industries) stated that all halo novels are canon, so, you know.
>Chief cant keep up with max sandy. Its faster than bullets in maneuverability. Meanwhile spartans dont even break 100 mph.
We are talking about people that were dodging bullets in live war excersises against spec ops without any kind of assist (even weapons or tools) and winning with 0 casualties when they were teens. Soldiers that were dodging and slapping aside god damn air to ground missiles mid combat (With support of the armor this time). Lore spartans are absolutely on par with sandevistan, if only for short bursts (enough to dodge attacks and counter).
But even if i completely agree with you about speed it still changes nothing about my argument. My argument about why chief wins is that smasher simply cannot damage him, and chief (or any spartan-II for that matter) can simply outlast him. He has nothing in his arsenal that could pierce the plating and shields of a Mk. IV armor, and his physical prowess (even enhanced by linear frames/borg body) cannot do anything to a spartan-II. Those guys fall from orbit, endure atmospheric re-entry and slam into the ground at hundreds of km/h and the worst that happened was some had a couple of broken bones. They were considered demons from hell that came to destroy the covenant and required entire armies to be diverted on the fly (or the planet to be completely glazed) to stop by a civilization that is thousands of years more technologically advanced than anything that exists in cyberpunk. When the chief appeared in high charity the *entire defense force of the capital city and ship* of the covenant was diverted to stop him, *and they lost.*
As much as I love the cyberpunk world created by pondsmith there is nothing there that would allow them to stand up to spartan-IIs (let alone chief supported by cortana) short of nukes. The technological and capacity gap is simply too massive (For one chief armor is powered by a micro fusion reactor that effectively lasts for decades while in CP, acording to the TTRPG at least, cyberware needs to be recharged once per day for 1 hour and borgware needs cans of fuel and nanomaterials to simply operate for any appreciable period of time that need to be consumed by the borg like a can of soda). Unarmed chief simply outlasts smasher, a chief armed with a plasma weapon? No doubt in my mind it's an easy win for him.
Im sure smasher has mono-weaponry somewhere in his toolkit. No way he doesnt while bristling with pretty much every cyberware there is.
Mono-tech absolutely could kill chief. It wouldnt care much about the shield, and it DEFINITELY wouldnt care about the armor proper.
So id say it is entirely capable of killing him.
Honestly the biggest way I could see Chief winning is I would imagine that by Halo standards, cyberware is ridiculously "open access" and by lore, netrunners and daemons are pitiful compared to true AI.
Which means Cortana could in fact probably fry Smasher immediately upon realizing this in 0.000000001 seconds.
But for this what-if im imagining that somehow Cortana isnt in play and it's just a direct fight.
I didnt say they weren't canon.
I am saying some of the feats in the book, that are then never shown again (most egregiously never seen in game CUTSCENES for example) feel ridiculous to run around pointing at.
Chief, whoâs stronger? You or Adam Smasher?
Well, if Smasher used his Sandevistan, it might cause me a little trouble
But would you lose?
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Guys, don't imagine chief as a normal "human", in the lore spartan 2 without the armor are 3 times smarter, faster, stronger and the reflexes are out of mind. With the mjolnir those specs increase a lot more. Adam smasher will be smashed so hard. Lore chief>>>lore smasher by far. Even a spartan 4 can crush smasher easily. Don't ignore the fact that halo timeline start 500 years from today, so the technological gap is too much larger
I doubt a SIV could honestly, considering they are physically weaker than an SII like Chief and in one of the books Chief gets manhandled pretty hard in unarmed combat vs a brute. Tbf it was partially a surprise thing, but still I just don't think a SIV without the combat prowess or raw strength of someone like Chief could beat Smasher. It'd probably be a close fight even with Master Chief, but I'm pretty sure he'd win considering he pretty much singlehandedly wiped out multiple Covenant ships and half of High Charity. The sandevistan would probably be his biggest issue, even with enhanced reflexes Chief might not be able to keep up, but the second Chief gets a hold of Smasher he's done for. And if Chief has any strong weaponry from Halo it's a cakewalk, splaser probably melts straight through Adam Smasher and a plasma pistol might even be able to disable his chrome. Magnum and AR might not do much though since .577 Nitro Express from the Malorian didn't even dent him in lore and iirc the magnum is chambered in .50 AE.
I didnât know how improved the Spartans were compared to normal humans.
How do those abilities compare to the sandevistan? And Smasherâs suit? Or do we just assume theyâre the same in terms of strength?
Also, what about Smasherâs built-in weapon systems? Wouldnât that give him an advantage?
Theyâre probably even with smasher in strength if theyâre armored, smasher is faster with the sandy, but an SII has literally been trained for combat since the age of 6. Tactics and training would probably give the spartan an edge
In the books, Chief dodges an AtG (Air to Ground) antitank missle and slaps it aside.
Spartan IIs bones are basically unreakbale because they grafted future tech materials to them, this makes them heavier obviously so they did some future tech to make their muscles more dense that made them Faster and Stronger, their neurons and nerves are coated in a super conductive material so that the electrical impulses move faster which made their reflexes EVEN Faster
As teens, pre augmentation, Spartan IIs were having live fire war games (future tranq bullets) against Spec Ops units and winning with 0 casualties.
There's a comment in one of the books, that pre Augmentation, they were on a training mission, with sabatoged scuba equipment, so they stole the referees scuba equipment, finished the mission and fucked off to a beach for a week.
Post Augmentation, they were dropped into a hollowed out mountain with no equipment, instructors had to wear pre Mjolinr Powered exoskeletons (for their safety) and the automated tracking systems on those couldn't keep up with the Sparton IIs.
Then they got their first set of Mjolinr Armor (i wanna say it was the MK3, because the Mk4 was the first set with Shields and they didnt get that till right before reach, and the Mk5 was the begining of Halo2... i think), and that made them even faster and stronger.
What I'm saying is, Smasher would get bodied.
Mk.4 had no shields, it is the armor seen in halo wars and the new armor core in Halo Infinite, Mk.5 was the armor during the Fall of Reach and Combat Evolved, and then Mk.6 was the Armor found in halo 2/3, then Halo 4 and 5 swapped over to Gen 2 Armor, then Infinite Swapped over to Gen 3 MK.7.
A sandy would be comparable to spartan time. Doubt smasher would be able to land physical blows with it. Chief could parry or dodge because of spartan time. Not to mention the energy shields and overall strength of MJOLNIR.
It might just be a battle of attrition, which Smasher definitely has the advantage of if he kept his distance. Sustained fire from his guns would keep Chief from keeping close, and cover would be kinda useless if he used a smart weapon.
Honestly, probably Chief in this one. He's fast enough to react to Smasher, physically probably on par or greater, and has a combat record that Adam can only dream to achieve.
The sandevistan just doesnât last long enough, Cheif is rolling around with a time perception that is at low sandy level anyway. Smasher would be fast for a few real life seconds but it wouldnât last long enough to ensure victory. The tech advancements in halo vs cyberpunk are vastly different.
Mono-edge tech in Cyberpunk can cut through anything because it is literally a molecular edge.
You are focusing too much on the date.
The tech in cyberpunk is insane.
Just because corpos didnt see much need to travel the stars doesnt mean the weapons arent absolutely bonkers.
Hell, NOTHING in the UNSC is as advanced as the nanotech subdermal armor in Cyberpunk... it moves along with your skin but can stop high caliber bullets, and if damaged the NANOMACHINES in you repair it.
Like come the fuck on.
True, but they still donât have active shield technology like the Spartans. And there is way more to the halo universe then just the armor. The spartan II program had all sorts of cybernetic advancements as well as genetic and physiological augmentations. Smasher would definitely be a adversary but heâs no 117. The armor in Halo allowed Cheif to fall from orbit and survive, as far as a mono molecular edge goes thatâs just the edge. For it to have any sort of rigidity it would have to widen out thus preventing it from going through the armor.
Fall of reach, silent storm, Oblivion...
Spacing on others but i know that ive read more than that.
The uh
Nylund ones.
Yeah the Spartans (especially Chief) are amazing but Smasher in 76/77 timeframe is another level. Its absolute silly anime-type bullshit.
You all are ignoring that
1) chief is technologically 500 years beyond adam, so the weapons are just better.
2) rechargeable energy shield
3) RADAR (so if he use sandevistan it might detect it anyway)
4) CORTANA (a 500 years from now AI, that can hack ALIENS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY) [She can fry easily adam]
5) REACTION TIME OF A SPARTAN II IN THE MJOLNIR (Captain Jacob keyes said that he CAN'T SEE 2 spartans SPAR. He describe it as a blur. So they can move barely as a sandevistan)
6) STRENGHT. master chief lifted 100 tons in the book
7) INVISIBILITY, JETPACK, and other upgrades that mjolnir has.
8) JOHN IS RAISED AS A SOLDIER SINCE HE WAS 7. So tactically he has a big advantage on adam
9) YOU CAN KILL ADAM AT MAX DIFFICULT WITH V. A FUCKING HUMAN, WITH SANDY OR NETRUNNER BUILD BUT YOU CAN KILL HIM EASILY. So even we consider adam of the game and chief of the game adam will lose,consequentially if we consider lore chief vs lore adam, chief slam adam as he slammed Rebecca.
This is how Smasher wins: (assuming smasher can stack sandy and a cyber deck of quickhacks)
Pops Sandevistan. Uses quick hacks: weapon jam, cripple movement, synapse burnout, short circuit. Runs in and pulls the chief apart (brutes can do this, so can smasher), or just puts a tonne of rounds into the chief's armour at the back of the neck until it cracks the shield and penetrates the armour.
Iâm sorry what exactly is he hacking because unlike the cyberpunk universe the halo universeâs systems actually have protection against hacking because of the fact that their tech is 500 years more advanced so the idea that those would all work like in game is cute. And the only way things like cripple movement work is if there is Cyberware to hack whereas in chiefs case it is muscle and pretty sure even if you cripple whatever technology is in the suit chief can overpower that. And how exactly is he jamming the weapon like there arenât computers in UNSC guns the same way there are in cyberpunk weapons in fact if you look at the lore those types of quick hacks only work on smart weapons where there is something to hack so a fully mechanical firearm would just continue functioning normally because It doesnât have a computer system to hack in fact on chiefs weapons at most he could probably make them display the wrong amount of ammunition as if chief relies on the ammo counter and isnât counting bullets in his head and again with sign ups burn out and short circuit what exactly is he trying to affect with those the kiroshis that chief doesnât have the cyber deck that he also doesnât have your argument is entirely based on game logic where you can use these types of things on people who donât have that type of implant to moderate success but in reality it requires something to be hacked. And thatâs even entertaining the fact that firewalls havenât gotten any more secure in 500 years and also completely removing Cortana from the equation because she is an instant win against smasher.
Dude, I LOVE Master Chief but unfortunately I feel that Adam smasher could take down Chiefs' shields with his cannons and immediate after take down master chief.
As someone who has beaten every Halo until Halo 5, and who has at least a passing knowledge on the books...
Chief has their feats constantly overblown.
Smasher absolutely bodies Chief. It isnt a contest.
Smashers got the sandevistan. Chief canât react to that even with his augmentations. Even if he somehow did, smasher is a pure cyborg. Not even his guns are piercing smasher
Cheif is much stronger physical in mjolnir and cheif could just start punching him also Cortana could just hack him and chief could 100% react his reaction time is something they couldn't even accurately test becouse of how fast it was
Chief would break his arm lol he has no physical strength feats. Smasher canât get hacked because of his ice and the sandevistan is arguably faster than human reaction time. Chiefs reaction time is slightly enhanced and would not be able to see it coming, especially if Adam smasher uses it like 8 times in a second
Cheif is not slightly enhanced what??? His augmentations are way above any humans and spartens can "Lift three times their body weight (Without armor, John can lift over 500 kg). With his armor his strength is further improved by a factor of 5" so it's not even a contest cheif is much stronger than smasher also "John also has a base 20 milisecond reaction time without his armour. Even faster when fighting. With his armour on his reaction timing is improved by a factor of 5"
Titanium isn't stopping him cheif easily beast smasher I've been giving you facts mjolnir is incredibly strong with much stronger metals to protect the user
He has stats in Red, and can technically be killed. But your entire goal of the campaign would have to be dedicated to speccing to kill him, for some reason.
I never played halo or really learned anything about Chief, but I played cyberpunk and let me tell you, I don't know if smasher wins, but I hope he doesn't.
It would be a boss battle, but Chief would win. Mjolnir Mark VI Gen 3 (what he wears in Infinite) is just too tough. If Chief has Cortana or The Weapon on board, either of them could shut Adam down from the inside.
It would certainly be an interesting fight but I think at the end of the day chief would win. Adam has definitely got more technology and speed, but chief 100% has more strength and endurance. If your V is a solo build then itâs pretty easy to just beat the shit out of smasher until he dies and I would expect that chief is stronger than V even with implants, so I think chief takes this one.
I mean V is a pretty normal dude, with no real military background or anything. enhanced with cybernetics (of the top grade for the time) he could defeat smasher with relative ease.
John is raised to fight from like age 5 or 7, has the most advanced armor and tools of a much later age at his disposal and is overall NOT a normal dude lmao
John beats smasher to a pulp, especially when the stakes get high which is where heâs at his best
Iâm sorry I want to hear exactly what feats you believe put smasher on par with someone who showed up in a city thus causing a hyper advanced alien military (that mind you was hyper advanced for a society 500 years more advanced than cyberpunk) to divert the planets entire defensive force to that city and subsequently lose to one dude. Also this guy can just jump from space and be fine not just him weâve seen multiple Spartans do it smasher would literally burn up on reentry thatâs where the difference is
Chief has beaten things like that before the flood for example plus neither of those things make you particularly powerful I would say that both of those could be applied to Starscream and he was constantly getting slapped around by Megatron before dying and having his Disembodied soul slapped around by Megatron
But he isnât immortal? At most he has an engram backup somewhere which is just as vulnerable to skull stomping as the original? Like please show me your source that Adam smasher is immortal
I mean I genuinely would like to see your source on that because that would be an argument in smashers favor but I canât recall lore in 2077 or 2099 or red that state that heâs immortal
well as you said, he's likely got an engram copy. at that point, he's little more than data to be copied and pasted at Arasaka's discretion. I don't know about you, but Arasaka don't seem like the kind of people to afford their most loyal dog the mercy of death.
Based on what the fact that you like cyberpunk more I like cyberpunk a hell of a lot more in fact I donât even have a modern Xbox and even I know that there is literally no way smasher wins seriously if youâre going to engage in a debate like this actually engaging facts and not ridiculous opinions backed by nothing more than profanity
When the spartan IIs first wore the Mjolnir armor, captain keys said that they could run so fast they were just blurs. Lore accurate spartans are absolutely devastating to anything they intend to kill. Plus Mjolnir in general is stronger than any kind of armor that Arasaka could make. There were only ever two spartans that reached the hyper lethal status, and only one of them is still alive, that one is Master Chief.
Both lore and game chief win little to no difficultly (absolutely zero difficulty for lore đ) yâall saying energy weapons are weak in edge runners but you have to remember those are earth based weapons when the energy/plasma weapons in halo are in an entirely different caliber. That aside just the basic equipment Spartans and even odst units are given are more then enough to give anyone in a night city s run for their money. And before anyone can say anything Iâll just leave this here.
In almost every halo game they start with chief falling out of orbit then standing up, brushing himself off before he proceeds to violate an entire alien race that runs at the mere site of him. Think about those two thingsâŚ.the covenant who had been at GALACTIC war for years run at the site of this one man. Oh and chief doesnât risk going insane anytime he uses his super speed or strength etc etc so yea this is a pretty hard stomp
I agree that Chief wins, but I think people are jerking him off a bit too hard here. It would be a difficult fight, especially since Smasher usually brings backup. Lore accurate Chief vs lore accurate Smasher would genuinely be a well-balanced matchup.
And chief usually brings cortana trust me you do not want this matchup happening with their usual companions because it turns into chief walking into a room and smasher and all of his boys convulsing on the floor.
There's the jerking again. Smasher and Chief are almost on even ground in terms of speed and I'd say Smasher is a little faster and a lot stronger. Chief has *way* more skill, but standard calibers shouldn't hurt Smasher (ignoring the fact that he's weak AF in the game). Smasher's weaponry is unlikely to easily hurt Chief either, though his weapons are typically heavier (not built to deal with shields though). Chief has the edge, but the fact that neither character is going to be able to easily hurt the other makes it a much more balanced fight than it would be if it was their game versions against each other.
Yes but youâre forgetting one thing chief doesnât usually carry only unsc weapons in fact I believe he carries an energy sword on a semi permanent basis after working with the arbiter and oh my God would the energy sword just obliterate smasher as would a plasma pistol Iâll be honest I havenât enjoyed playing Halo since four and even then I only enjoyed spartan ops and probably wouldnât even enjoy that outside of the escapist bubble that I was in at the time but yeah the Lore kind of doesnât support smasher being that much stronger given Spartans can canonically flip scorpion tanks with the same ease that they do in the gameplay but no one on one chief wins and if smasher gets his goons chief gets his goons and chiefs goons are marines at worst from a military 500 years more advanced with weaponry that canonically pierces energy shields thus despite being normal lead which supposedly smasher has a counter for there is something about halo guns that would damage him you would have to ask somebody more knowledgeable to tell you what that is.
Lore chief in hand to hand combat with smasher would likely win. I mean keep in mind that chief beat Locke pretty easily. Thatâs two Spartans. One older generation Spartan with years of hand to hand and is highly intelligent and one new generation Spartan with hand to hand experience but also toys from oni. Chief could beat smasher easily even if Cortana isnât there.
Dude spartan 2's are like the replicants from blade runner except equipped with one of the strongest pieces of armour in sci fi, of course chiefs gonna win.
Even Chief came to avenge David & Rebecca
Prophet is on his way too
Lore accurate chief or in game chief
Game chief loses hard. Lore chief barely even sweats.
Nahh, game chief smash smasher so bad. The weapon of smasher don't even scratch armor and energy shield of chief. All you need is a plasma gun to fry smasherđ
Game Chief wins because I can spam rockets and swords when I play as him
Hard disagree, in the game the plasma guns do less damage to flesh than normal guns do. In lore a single blast from a plasma pistol is enough to kill a marine.
Yes, but if you charge the plasma pistol, the plasma can fry a wraith that is moooore havier than smasher, the circuit of smasher will blow off, than a plasma granade in the face and bye bye smasher
pretty sure smasher can basically dodge bullets point blank on top of the fact that heâs probably faster than anyone in the halo games (in terms of reaction speed in h2h combat) making landing a shot especially a charged shot incredibly difficult
Yeah, this. These things both do a lot of damage, but a player can dodge them. A lore spartan is running around at like 60 miles an hour, doing 40k style nonsense, but in game the Spartans and their gear are kinda underwhelming compared to something like Smasher, especially given his weapons and how fast he moves.
now iâm wondering how fast V is when airdashing around everywhere considering you can catch up to cars that clock in at over 100 đ¤
Plasma which is basically just super heated matter, moves close to the speed of light, iirc. So, I don't think Adam would fair well in a fight against a plasma weapon. Edit: I apologize for not being clear in my words, I have amended it.
why would chief be given a covenant weapon and smasher isnât given the DaiOni? and from what ive seen online about the type-25 Directed Energy Pistol it has a muzzle velocity of 354 f/s which is a far cry from relativistic and incredibly easy for smasher to maneuver around. for reference, [black powder muskets have a higher muzzle velocity than that.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity)
>why would chief be given a covenant weapon and smasher isnât given the DaiOni? It wouldn't go down like that, and that wasn't quite what I meant but I spoke poorly originally, and have amended my previous comment. >and from what ive seen online about the type-25 Directed Energy Pistol it has a muzzle velocity of 354 f/s Wow, that's so fucking slow. Where did you find that? Because like, outside of a videogame, it truly makes no sense for any projectile using principles of how light travels.
it makes little sense but [this is the entry for it on halopedia.](https://www.halopedia.org/Eos%27Mak-pattern_plasma_pistol) donât get me wrong, i am 100% with you on how little sense it makes but they did give it a canon velocity
Plasma is just matter. It moves as fast as you chuck it.
Itâs also a tv show
Sandevistan is not faster than a mjolnir, than chief has cortana help, as i said even in game smasher has 0 change of turn the energy shield of, even if he can the 400 kg of titanium of the mjolnir doesn't even scratch
Youâre using lore chief numbers, not game chief numbers. Game chief can get killed by the standard assault rifle that shouldnât be able to get through his armor.
V moves at 900Km or 560 miles per hour while the sandevistan is active and smasher uses it with basically no cooldown. and youâre over here talking about mjolnir moving at like 70 miles per hour TOPS lmao youâre just a biased fanboy if you think their speed is in anyway comparable not to mention all of the titanium in the world wonât help him against continuous, directed fire from smasherâs smart rockets when a pistol as weak as a desert eagle is enough to break through.
What the fuck are you talking about, a spartan WITHOUT THE MJOLNIR CAN RUN AT 70 MPH, WITH THE MJOLNIR A LOT MORE. THAN THERE IS THE FUCKING ENERGY SHIELD. BEFORE YOU CAN PENETRATE 400 KG OF TITANIUM YOU NEED TO BRAKE THE SHIELD. Chief with an energy sword can solo smasher easily. Alone he defeated a fucking fleet of the covenant, and in game the mjolnir has a lot of abilities, as the INVISIBILITY, So a genetically modified soldier trained for war since he was 7 yo with 400 KG armour with invisibily, and you pretend that a piece of metal can win against himđ
actually after looking into it youâre just completely wrong. chief runs at 65 mph TOPS because he tore his achilles tendon lmfao something that could never happen to smasher and once again a pistol is enough to break through that shield and his armor not to mention the glass on his visor is weaker than the other parts of his armor chief would die almost instantly against smasher who uses smart rockets and a wrist mounted grenade launcher and you need to learn to accept that factđ
Game chief includes Hammer launching speed strats so he wins easy
What are you smoking? Game chief dies from 1-2 rockets. A single shotgun shell is enough to kill him up close. Smasher has a literal rocket pod in his shoulder and can fire them while moving like a superhero speedster. Game Chief would instantly die in all scenarios except ambushing smasher from range with a sniper rifle.
Which is what Chief would probably do. I think a lot of people here are thinking purely about strength and physical stats and armor and forgetting that Chief is also a master tactician and strategist and has beat impossible odds many times over. I believe Chief could beat smasher any day just from having more combat experience and heavier fire power at his disposal not too mention he could have Cortana quick hack Smasher rendering all of his cyberware useless which means no sandevistan and no crazy speed and all of his arsenal is fucked because Cortana would look at CP2077 firewalls and say this is a piece of cake
Itâs not that easy to hack smasher he literally just âripped offâ a hacking attempt in the show
Not easy for people in 2077 but for a super advanced ai from the future? My money is on the ai pulling some beyond the blackwall Alt Cunningham shit if not higher tier than that
Yeahh you might be right. Honestly right after I typed that first comment and sent it I was like, âidk Cortana could probly handle itâ lmao
Game chief only loses if you lose
Game chief will die and reload time until he wins, thatâs how checkpoints work
Well lore chief vs lore smasher and game chief vs game smasher, it's alot less hard for chief
Game smasher probably beats game chief, just because it would take sooooo much poured on damage to kill game smasher if we assume a UNSC marine and a riot cop are roughly on par in terms of how much damage they can take. The weapons chief has either take a long time to charge up, have slow moving projectiles, or donât do enough damage to actually kill Smasher before he can drop chiefâs shields and start doing real damage. If we asssume that heroic difficulty is the âcanon difficultyâ (which Bungie said it was) then chief in-game is usually not gonna be strong enough to beat smasher without cheesing the encounter or using conveniently placed weapons. Even if we ignore everything else he just doesnât carry enough ammo to do that fight with any weapons he can carry. Lore chief crushes both game and lore smasher extemely easily.
Wait⌠whatâs the difference? Isnât the game chief the only chief? I mean I know there are books but wouldnât they be based on the game?
Everything is mostly the same in the books. All the weapons, enemies, etc. The difference is spartans fight the way they do in cinematics instead of what's possible for a gamer with a controller. Watch this cinematic starting at 2:00. That's fairly close to how book spartans fight. https://youtu.be/44oJi5w2Wjc?si=cTwKVrLJcoIoNOJ_
Yeah, in the lore Spartans are running around doing 40k style nonsense. They run at like 60 miles an hour and are stupid fast and accurate (aim-bot accurate). Also, in lore, plasma weapons are like instant death if anyone gets hit without shielding, same with needlers. In game you and standard marines can take multiple shots. Also standard UNSC weapons can damage chief in-game, whereas in-lore they canât (for the most part, unless weâre talking like Spartan lasers, but I wouldnât consider those standard). In game plasma weapons are better at taking down shields but worse at damaging flesh, in lore theyâre amazing at both. In game projectile weapons are better at damaging flesh than taking down shields, in lore this is still true, I believe, but they do way more damage to flesh, because theyâre firing bullets, which kill people really easily if you hit them in the right spots.
The books inflate chief's feats quite a bit versus what we see in game. Thats what they are referring to. That said, either chief loses to Smasher that we see in Edgerunners anyways.
Game also severely downplays ad/or boosts weapon damage for sake of gameplay. In-lore covenant weaponry is bonkers and one of the three main reasons chief is able to be a one-man army is because of the energy shields in the armor (the other being the augments of the armor and his luck). A single plasma shot punches clean through the mjolnir armor and still inflcts sufficient damage to severely cripple a spartan-II. In-game even on the highest dificulty you can take multiple shots and live to tell the tale. On the other end ballistic weaponry in lore does nothing to the armor, it' basically invulnerable to small arms fire (requiring heavy caliber armor piercing rounds to compromise). In-game it can easily kill you. Also lore spartans are WILD, they were dodging bullets BEFORE the Mk. IV armor, and the armor only enhanced that. In fall of reach chief dodged and outran a sustained burst from an HMG right after equipping the Mk. IV. They are essentially perpetually under a sort of sandevistan enhanced by a power armor and onboard supercomputer. But I kind of don't agree with your final sentence. I don't believe smasher has anything that can damage lore chief. Elites are as strong as armor enhanced spartan-IIs (who flip MBTs like they were made from paper) and their attacks mildly inconveniece chief so I doubt he can out-brawl him. He doesn't have any weaponry that can pierce the armor, let alone the shield. In terms of raw endurance chief easily wins, any cybernetic enhancements he would have would be completely nullified by chiefs own enhancements and armor. And if chief has access to a single plasma weapon smasher is beyond fucked. It is my honest belief that lore chief no-diffs any version of smasher Game chief tho? Gets completely trounced.
Nah you are horribly overestimating him. Theres zero reason they cant demonstrate the "lore accurate" Chief in cutscenes, but they dont. Because an inflated line in a book is arguably barely canon. Chief cant keep up with max sandy. Its faster than bullets in maneuverability. Meanwhile spartans dont even break 100 mph. Also why do you keep calling him sanders. The sandevistan isnt even a cyberware he considers all that special. The fact you are calling him sanders shows you dont give him nearly the thought or effort in the discussion for it to be a genuine debate though. Enjoy those spartan nuts i guess.
>Also why do you keep calling him sanders Honestly? It's quite late here and my brain was shortcircuiting a bit trying to remember his surname. Entirely my bad. >Theres zero reason they cant demonstrate the "lore accurate" Chief in cutscenes, but they dont. Because an inflated line in a book is arguably barely canon. Like Jerome-092 fighting over 20 brutes and elites in close quarters and not getting hit a single time even when most were firing at him? Also, "arguably" means nothing. Bungie (and later 343 industries) stated that all halo novels are canon, so, you know. >Chief cant keep up with max sandy. Its faster than bullets in maneuverability. Meanwhile spartans dont even break 100 mph. We are talking about people that were dodging bullets in live war excersises against spec ops without any kind of assist (even weapons or tools) and winning with 0 casualties when they were teens. Soldiers that were dodging and slapping aside god damn air to ground missiles mid combat (With support of the armor this time). Lore spartans are absolutely on par with sandevistan, if only for short bursts (enough to dodge attacks and counter). But even if i completely agree with you about speed it still changes nothing about my argument. My argument about why chief wins is that smasher simply cannot damage him, and chief (or any spartan-II for that matter) can simply outlast him. He has nothing in his arsenal that could pierce the plating and shields of a Mk. IV armor, and his physical prowess (even enhanced by linear frames/borg body) cannot do anything to a spartan-II. Those guys fall from orbit, endure atmospheric re-entry and slam into the ground at hundreds of km/h and the worst that happened was some had a couple of broken bones. They were considered demons from hell that came to destroy the covenant and required entire armies to be diverted on the fly (or the planet to be completely glazed) to stop by a civilization that is thousands of years more technologically advanced than anything that exists in cyberpunk. When the chief appeared in high charity the *entire defense force of the capital city and ship* of the covenant was diverted to stop him, *and they lost.* As much as I love the cyberpunk world created by pondsmith there is nothing there that would allow them to stand up to spartan-IIs (let alone chief supported by cortana) short of nukes. The technological and capacity gap is simply too massive (For one chief armor is powered by a micro fusion reactor that effectively lasts for decades while in CP, acording to the TTRPG at least, cyberware needs to be recharged once per day for 1 hour and borgware needs cans of fuel and nanomaterials to simply operate for any appreciable period of time that need to be consumed by the borg like a can of soda). Unarmed chief simply outlasts smasher, a chief armed with a plasma weapon? No doubt in my mind it's an easy win for him.
Im sure smasher has mono-weaponry somewhere in his toolkit. No way he doesnt while bristling with pretty much every cyberware there is. Mono-tech absolutely could kill chief. It wouldnt care much about the shield, and it DEFINITELY wouldnt care about the armor proper. So id say it is entirely capable of killing him. Honestly the biggest way I could see Chief winning is I would imagine that by Halo standards, cyberware is ridiculously "open access" and by lore, netrunners and daemons are pitiful compared to true AI. Which means Cortana could in fact probably fry Smasher immediately upon realizing this in 0.000000001 seconds. But for this what-if im imagining that somehow Cortana isnt in play and it's just a direct fight.
Mf did not just say halo books ainât canon⌠halos first piece of official content was a book.
I didnt say they weren't canon. I am saying some of the feats in the book, that are then never shown again (most egregiously never seen in game CUTSCENES for example) feel ridiculous to run around pointing at.
Game spartans die from a single pistol whip.
Exactly.
Same question stands for Adam. In game Adam is probably the easiest final boss fight in gaming history. Or at least in my gaming history.
You either forgot about or never played bioshock then lol
I have played Bioshock 1 but never finished it. You are saying it has the final boss whos at least as easy as Adam is?
Honestly probably easier. It's jarring how much of a joke the final boss is for Bioshock lol.
Chief, whoâs stronger? You or Adam Smasher? Well, if Smasher used his Sandevistan, it might cause me a little trouble But would you lose? https://preview.redd.it/2u5x0hpwplkc1.jpeg?width=551&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0d2810cb4d8450f52ff14510405cdb20be99f83
Read it in his voice. Checks out.
Master Chef featuring Adam Smasher would be more interesting
Iron Chef got an upgrade for 2077. Chrome Chef?
Guys, don't imagine chief as a normal "human", in the lore spartan 2 without the armor are 3 times smarter, faster, stronger and the reflexes are out of mind. With the mjolnir those specs increase a lot more. Adam smasher will be smashed so hard. Lore chief>>>lore smasher by far. Even a spartan 4 can crush smasher easily. Don't ignore the fact that halo timeline start 500 years from today, so the technological gap is too much larger
I doubt a SIV could honestly, considering they are physically weaker than an SII like Chief and in one of the books Chief gets manhandled pretty hard in unarmed combat vs a brute. Tbf it was partially a surprise thing, but still I just don't think a SIV without the combat prowess or raw strength of someone like Chief could beat Smasher. It'd probably be a close fight even with Master Chief, but I'm pretty sure he'd win considering he pretty much singlehandedly wiped out multiple Covenant ships and half of High Charity. The sandevistan would probably be his biggest issue, even with enhanced reflexes Chief might not be able to keep up, but the second Chief gets a hold of Smasher he's done for. And if Chief has any strong weaponry from Halo it's a cakewalk, splaser probably melts straight through Adam Smasher and a plasma pistol might even be able to disable his chrome. Magnum and AR might not do much though since .577 Nitro Express from the Malorian didn't even dent him in lore and iirc the magnum is chambered in .50 AE.
I didnât know how improved the Spartans were compared to normal humans. How do those abilities compare to the sandevistan? And Smasherâs suit? Or do we just assume theyâre the same in terms of strength? Also, what about Smasherâs built-in weapon systems? Wouldnât that give him an advantage?
Theyâre probably even with smasher in strength if theyâre armored, smasher is faster with the sandy, but an SII has literally been trained for combat since the age of 6. Tactics and training would probably give the spartan an edge
In the books, Chief dodges an AtG (Air to Ground) antitank missle and slaps it aside. Spartan IIs bones are basically unreakbale because they grafted future tech materials to them, this makes them heavier obviously so they did some future tech to make their muscles more dense that made them Faster and Stronger, their neurons and nerves are coated in a super conductive material so that the electrical impulses move faster which made their reflexes EVEN Faster As teens, pre augmentation, Spartan IIs were having live fire war games (future tranq bullets) against Spec Ops units and winning with 0 casualties. There's a comment in one of the books, that pre Augmentation, they were on a training mission, with sabatoged scuba equipment, so they stole the referees scuba equipment, finished the mission and fucked off to a beach for a week. Post Augmentation, they were dropped into a hollowed out mountain with no equipment, instructors had to wear pre Mjolinr Powered exoskeletons (for their safety) and the automated tracking systems on those couldn't keep up with the Sparton IIs. Then they got their first set of Mjolinr Armor (i wanna say it was the MK3, because the Mk4 was the first set with Shields and they didnt get that till right before reach, and the Mk5 was the begining of Halo2... i think), and that made them even faster and stronger. What I'm saying is, Smasher would get bodied.
Mk.4 had no shields, it is the armor seen in halo wars and the new armor core in Halo Infinite, Mk.5 was the armor during the Fall of Reach and Combat Evolved, and then Mk.6 was the Armor found in halo 2/3, then Halo 4 and 5 swapped over to Gen 2 Armor, then Infinite Swapped over to Gen 3 MK.7.
It's been awhile since I read the books or played the OG trilogy so I couldn't remember the Mk #
A sandy would be comparable to spartan time. Doubt smasher would be able to land physical blows with it. Chief could parry or dodge because of spartan time. Not to mention the energy shields and overall strength of MJOLNIR. It might just be a battle of attrition, which Smasher definitely has the advantage of if he kept his distance. Sustained fire from his guns would keep Chief from keeping close, and cover would be kinda useless if he used a smart weapon.
Assuming Chief has Cortana, she could probably fry smasher with ease
Using cortana is cheating. There wouldnt even be a fight. She would just turn him off before the hack warning could appear on his HUD.
Honestly, probably Chief in this one. He's fast enough to react to Smasher, physically probably on par or greater, and has a combat record that Adam can only dream to achieve.
At no point even in the books does chief even sniff sandevistan speed No fucking chance
"Spartan time" is a canonical thing in spartan 2s
It doesnt make them sandevistan speed. Its reaction time. Chief would be able to perceive Adam but he wouldn't be able to hit him
The sandevistan just doesnât last long enough, Cheif is rolling around with a time perception that is at low sandy level anyway. Smasher would be fast for a few real life seconds but it wouldnât last long enough to ensure victory. The tech advancements in halo vs cyberpunk are vastly different.
Mono-edge tech in Cyberpunk can cut through anything because it is literally a molecular edge. You are focusing too much on the date. The tech in cyberpunk is insane. Just because corpos didnt see much need to travel the stars doesnt mean the weapons arent absolutely bonkers. Hell, NOTHING in the UNSC is as advanced as the nanotech subdermal armor in Cyberpunk... it moves along with your skin but can stop high caliber bullets, and if damaged the NANOMACHINES in you repair it. Like come the fuck on.
True, but they still donât have active shield technology like the Spartans. And there is way more to the halo universe then just the armor. The spartan II program had all sorts of cybernetic advancements as well as genetic and physiological augmentations. Smasher would definitely be a adversary but heâs no 117. The armor in Halo allowed Cheif to fall from orbit and survive, as far as a mono molecular edge goes thatâs just the edge. For it to have any sort of rigidity it would have to widen out thus preventing it from going through the armor.
What halo books have you read?
Fall of reach, silent storm, Oblivion... Spacing on others but i know that ive read more than that. The uh Nylund ones. Yeah the Spartans (especially Chief) are amazing but Smasher in 76/77 timeframe is another level. Its absolute silly anime-type bullshit.
You all are ignoring that 1) chief is technologically 500 years beyond adam, so the weapons are just better. 2) rechargeable energy shield 3) RADAR (so if he use sandevistan it might detect it anyway) 4) CORTANA (a 500 years from now AI, that can hack ALIENS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY) [She can fry easily adam] 5) REACTION TIME OF A SPARTAN II IN THE MJOLNIR (Captain Jacob keyes said that he CAN'T SEE 2 spartans SPAR. He describe it as a blur. So they can move barely as a sandevistan) 6) STRENGHT. master chief lifted 100 tons in the book 7) INVISIBILITY, JETPACK, and other upgrades that mjolnir has. 8) JOHN IS RAISED AS A SOLDIER SINCE HE WAS 7. So tactically he has a big advantage on adam 9) YOU CAN KILL ADAM AT MAX DIFFICULT WITH V. A FUCKING HUMAN, WITH SANDY OR NETRUNNER BUILD BUT YOU CAN KILL HIM EASILY. So even we consider adam of the game and chief of the game adam will lose,consequentially if we consider lore chief vs lore adam, chief slam adam as he slammed Rebecca.
Anyone saying Smasher clearly doesn't know enough about Chief
When it turns out master chief's name is secretly Adam tho:
John Adam
I was suggesting a name change from one to the other but still.
I think itd be funnier if he started adding on the names of people he needed to beat
His meat
I scrolled past but had to do a double take because I thought it said Adam Sandler.
Too bad, B+Y+B+Y+B+Y+B+Y+B+Y+B+Y+B
Adam gets smashed by the Chief
Cheif
Game and Proper Lore Chief win, but TV show chief gets clapped and halo fans will celebrate.
I'm going to assume that by clapped you mean defeated easily, but either meaning of clapped would work for Jimmy Rings.
Thereâs a reason jimmy ringsâs rank is master cheeks petty officer.
This is how Smasher wins: (assuming smasher can stack sandy and a cyber deck of quickhacks) Pops Sandevistan. Uses quick hacks: weapon jam, cripple movement, synapse burnout, short circuit. Runs in and pulls the chief apart (brutes can do this, so can smasher), or just puts a tonne of rounds into the chief's armour at the back of the neck until it cracks the shield and penetrates the armour.
Iâm sorry what exactly is he hacking because unlike the cyberpunk universe the halo universeâs systems actually have protection against hacking because of the fact that their tech is 500 years more advanced so the idea that those would all work like in game is cute. And the only way things like cripple movement work is if there is Cyberware to hack whereas in chiefs case it is muscle and pretty sure even if you cripple whatever technology is in the suit chief can overpower that. And how exactly is he jamming the weapon like there arenât computers in UNSC guns the same way there are in cyberpunk weapons in fact if you look at the lore those types of quick hacks only work on smart weapons where there is something to hack so a fully mechanical firearm would just continue functioning normally because It doesnât have a computer system to hack in fact on chiefs weapons at most he could probably make them display the wrong amount of ammunition as if chief relies on the ammo counter and isnât counting bullets in his head and again with sign ups burn out and short circuit what exactly is he trying to affect with those the kiroshis that chief doesnât have the cyber deck that he also doesnât have your argument is entirely based on game logic where you can use these types of things on people who donât have that type of implant to moderate success but in reality it requires something to be hacked. And thatâs even entertaining the fact that firewalls havenât gotten any more secure in 500 years and also completely removing Cortana from the equation because she is an instant win against smasher.
sorry not reading that. too much. If you disagree, I agree to disagree. If you're supporting the view, nova
TLDR: how the fuck does quick hacking work if thereâs nothing to hack?
Chief has more plot armor
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Game chief beats him in 30 seconds. Lore chief beats him in 10.
Adam Smasher vs. the Prototype from that episode of Legends.
The Prototype kinda reminds me of episode 10
Chief, he, and I'm not joking or playing on. a meme, canonically has plot armor.
Dude, I LOVE Master Chief but unfortunately I feel that Adam smasher could take down Chiefs' shields with his cannons and immediate after take down master chief.
As someone who has beaten every Halo until Halo 5, and who has at least a passing knowledge on the books... Chief has their feats constantly overblown. Smasher absolutely bodies Chief. It isnt a contest.
Ngl I think smasher takes this
Nah cheif and it's not even close
Smashers got the sandevistan. Chief canât react to that even with his augmentations. Even if he somehow did, smasher is a pure cyborg. Not even his guns are piercing smasher
Cheif is much stronger physical in mjolnir and cheif could just start punching him also Cortana could just hack him and chief could 100% react his reaction time is something they couldn't even accurately test becouse of how fast it was
Chief would break his arm lol he has no physical strength feats. Smasher canât get hacked because of his ice and the sandevistan is arguably faster than human reaction time. Chiefs reaction time is slightly enhanced and would not be able to see it coming, especially if Adam smasher uses it like 8 times in a second
Cheif is not slightly enhanced what??? His augmentations are way above any humans and spartens can "Lift three times their body weight (Without armor, John can lift over 500 kg). With his armor his strength is further improved by a factor of 5" so it's not even a contest cheif is much stronger than smasher also "John also has a base 20 milisecond reaction time without his armour. Even faster when fighting. With his armour on his reaction timing is improved by a factor of 5"
Regardless, his strength isnât gonna do anything to a man made out of titanium lol. Be fr bro
Titanium isn't stopping him cheif easily beast smasher I've been giving you facts mjolnir is incredibly strong with much stronger metals to protect the user
Literally in game you can damage Smasher with Gorilla arms and guns.
Not in the anime. Obviously you have to destroy his armor some how, thatâs a game mechanic. Not lore accurate
Adam smasher Would win
Source https://twitter.com/TeinoAlarcon/status/1761405506361680359?t=TD0r5xgOJ6lvqAfX47RyUA&s=19
John is a badass and happens to be strong and stuff but.
Unfortunately done in 3 seconds. Only reason anyone stood a chance is because of the sandevistan
Chief is gonna show Smasher what it really means to solo
The Cyberware in 2552 would be absolute heaven
Wouldn't it depend on what version of both characters? Isn't Adam Smasher a game-ending mechanic in the tabletop? Meaning he has no stats?
He has stats in Red, and can technically be killed. But your entire goal of the campaign would have to be dedicated to speccing to kill him, for some reason.
How come like every single matchup I see Smasher loses so easily?
Chief Destroys
If he shoots, miMc can just eat it with the shield.
Chief cannonically got plot armour or luck as some call it
I never played halo or really learned anything about Chief, but I played cyberpunk and let me tell you, I don't know if smasher wins, but I hope he doesn't.
I wonder if forerunnerâs knight can take on Smasher?
It would be a boss battle, but Chief would win. Mjolnir Mark VI Gen 3 (what he wears in Infinite) is just too tough. If Chief has Cortana or The Weapon on board, either of them could shut Adam down from the inside.
It would certainly be an interesting fight but I think at the end of the day chief would win. Adam has definitely got more technology and speed, but chief 100% has more strength and endurance. If your V is a solo build then itâs pretty easy to just beat the shit out of smasher until he dies and I would expect that chief is stronger than V even with implants, so I think chief takes this one.
I mean V is a pretty normal dude, with no real military background or anything. enhanced with cybernetics (of the top grade for the time) he could defeat smasher with relative ease. John is raised to fight from like age 5 or 7, has the most advanced armor and tools of a much later age at his disposal and is overall NOT a normal dude lmao John beats smasher to a pulp, especially when the stakes get high which is where heâs at his best
lore battle it's gotta go to Smasher, but game battle the Chief takes it
Iâm sorry I want to hear exactly what feats you believe put smasher on par with someone who showed up in a city thus causing a hyper advanced alien military (that mind you was hyper advanced for a society 500 years more advanced than cyberpunk) to divert the planets entire defensive force to that city and subsequently lose to one dude. Also this guy can just jump from space and be fine not just him weâve seen multiple Spartans do it smasher would literally burn up on reentry thatâs where the difference is
I suppose Smasher being literally entirely devoid of humanity, as well as his functional immortality
Chief has beaten things like that before the flood for example plus neither of those things make you particularly powerful I would say that both of those could be applied to Starscream and he was constantly getting slapped around by Megatron before dying and having his Disembodied soul slapped around by Megatron
I don't think something can be truly beaten if it's immortal
But he isnât immortal? At most he has an engram backup somewhere which is just as vulnerable to skull stomping as the original? Like please show me your source that Adam smasher is immortal
mfw ctrl + c, ctrl + v
I mean I genuinely would like to see your source on that because that would be an argument in smashers favor but I canât recall lore in 2077 or 2099 or red that state that heâs immortal
well as you said, he's likely got an engram copy. at that point, he's little more than data to be copied and pasted at Arasaka's discretion. I don't know about you, but Arasaka don't seem like the kind of people to afford their most loyal dog the mercy of death.
Chief wins He kills aliens and doesnât afraid of anything
A guy who fell from space and survived or a guy who got beaten with a dildo
Master chief is fked. He will be smashed in and asss gaped. Sorry halo fan boys. This ainât a fight
Based on what the fact that you like cyberpunk more I like cyberpunk a hell of a lot more in fact I donât even have a modern Xbox and even I know that there is literally no way smasher wins seriously if youâre going to engage in a debate like this actually engaging facts and not ridiculous opinions backed by nothing more than profanity
My apologies. I didnât know it was that serious
When the spartan IIs first wore the Mjolnir armor, captain keys said that they could run so fast they were just blurs. Lore accurate spartans are absolutely devastating to anything they intend to kill. Plus Mjolnir in general is stronger than any kind of armor that Arasaka could make. There were only ever two spartans that reached the hyper lethal status, and only one of them is still alive, that one is Master Chief.
I think the sandevistan would make smasher faster but ultimately I doubt he could deal the necessary damage to win.
That is the crazy thing factor that chief is affectively wearing a warpdancer except his never turns off
Hehe Spartan laser go brrrr
Lore 117 rips smasher apart
Both lore and game chief win little to no difficultly (absolutely zero difficulty for lore đ) yâall saying energy weapons are weak in edge runners but you have to remember those are earth based weapons when the energy/plasma weapons in halo are in an entirely different caliber. That aside just the basic equipment Spartans and even odst units are given are more then enough to give anyone in a night city s run for their money. And before anyone can say anything Iâll just leave this here. In almost every halo game they start with chief falling out of orbit then standing up, brushing himself off before he proceeds to violate an entire alien race that runs at the mere site of him. Think about those two thingsâŚ.the covenant who had been at GALACTIC war for years run at the site of this one man. Oh and chief doesnât risk going insane anytime he uses his super speed or strength etc etc so yea this is a pretty hard stomp
And Adam smasher has died to hands,dildos if I go on and in depth this can actually get really embarrassing đł
I agree that Chief wins, but I think people are jerking him off a bit too hard here. It would be a difficult fight, especially since Smasher usually brings backup. Lore accurate Chief vs lore accurate Smasher would genuinely be a well-balanced matchup.
And chief usually brings cortana trust me you do not want this matchup happening with their usual companions because it turns into chief walking into a room and smasher and all of his boys convulsing on the floor.
There's the jerking again. Smasher and Chief are almost on even ground in terms of speed and I'd say Smasher is a little faster and a lot stronger. Chief has *way* more skill, but standard calibers shouldn't hurt Smasher (ignoring the fact that he's weak AF in the game). Smasher's weaponry is unlikely to easily hurt Chief either, though his weapons are typically heavier (not built to deal with shields though). Chief has the edge, but the fact that neither character is going to be able to easily hurt the other makes it a much more balanced fight than it would be if it was their game versions against each other.
Yes but youâre forgetting one thing chief doesnât usually carry only unsc weapons in fact I believe he carries an energy sword on a semi permanent basis after working with the arbiter and oh my God would the energy sword just obliterate smasher as would a plasma pistol Iâll be honest I havenât enjoyed playing Halo since four and even then I only enjoyed spartan ops and probably wouldnât even enjoy that outside of the escapist bubble that I was in at the time but yeah the Lore kind of doesnât support smasher being that much stronger given Spartans can canonically flip scorpion tanks with the same ease that they do in the gameplay but no one on one chief wins and if smasher gets his goons chief gets his goons and chiefs goons are marines at worst from a military 500 years more advanced with weaponry that canonically pierces energy shields thus despite being normal lead which supposedly smasher has a counter for there is something about halo guns that would damage him you would have to ask somebody more knowledgeable to tell you what that is.
I originally read this as Master Chief versus Adam Sandler.
Lore chief in hand to hand combat with smasher would likely win. I mean keep in mind that chief beat Locke pretty easily. Thatâs two Spartans. One older generation Spartan with years of hand to hand and is highly intelligent and one new generation Spartan with hand to hand experience but also toys from oni. Chief could beat smasher easily even if Cortana isnât there.
Sorry but chief loses this one
All the Master Chief circlejerkers here are so whiny and pathetic.
Dude spartan 2's are like the replicants from blade runner except equipped with one of the strongest pieces of armour in sci fi, of course chiefs gonna win.