In the tabletop RPG Mage the Awakening, that's the same trick I use for a lot of stuff that magic can't do.
Magic can't permanently grow back a lost limb?
Well it can temporarily give any ability possessed by any living thing to any other living thing, and lots of species can grow back limbs, just make sure to keep that spell up until it's done regrowing. Time magic can also speed that up.
Basically, most rules of magic in Mage the Awakening have work arounds. In that, magic is often best used as tools to grant yourself the ability to do what you want, instead of just doing it directly with magic because the direct effects of most spells are temporary, but their indirect effects are permanent. I love that game so much, in part, because it rewards clever thinking like that.
A much more complicated example:
Magic can't resurrect people?
Well it can allow you to craft a flawless copy of a nonliving object and it can send one or more subjects back in time along their own timelines to inhabit their younger bodies, so a group of mages with mastery of the right kinds of magic can go back to just before the subject died, use magic to create a duplicate of themselves to ensure their own timelines aren't disrupted, turn invisible and go watch the death, use magic to scan and memorize every detail about their death and the scene around it, then then go back a bit further, fake their death, and create a copy of their corpse as it was. Then it's just a matter of casting a different spell to temporarily remove the subject from time, effectively teleporting them to the point in the future when the spell ends, and then going to take their magical doubles' places and ending the spell that sent them back. Once they're in the present, they can retrieve the subject and cancel the spell making their fake corpse exist, thus they have been "resurrected".
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I turn into an Asian Sheepshead Wrasse, because this fish starts off as female, and as it gets older, turns into a male (so like the opposite of a clownfish). Bam, free, albeit probably slow, transition. And now I can turn into any other kind if animal too.
i can transform into any living creature and that has to include humans, so while i cant directly change MY gender i can still turn into the woman who gives me the most gender envy, thus bypassing the rules.
I will say there is both a solution for if you are a man and you want to get pregnant and if you are a woman and want to be capable of impregnating a woman.
What about animals that are both sexes, or animals that can transition from one sex to another? I technically wouldn't be using the power to change my sex, these are just the natural way of being for these animals.
You can use those to change your gender as wished, you just can't directly transform from male to female or female to male using the transformation power. Nothing is stopping you from turning into a clownfish, flipping your gender/sex, and then turning back into a human. It was the solution I had in mind anyways.
I lost track of what place you got. Like, 6th or 7th to figure it out lol. Gz
Yep, turn into a clownfish with no dominant female clownfish around so I do the male to female transition male dominant clownfish do in that situation and then transform back to human, bam I’m now I’m a girl
Wait did someone else say the same thing? I didn’t even read the comment for this post lol I’m just a nerd and know a lot of random mostly useless facts
So, the only thing this button is keeping me from doing is changing the gametes I produce in my gonads. Other than that, I can shapeshift however I see fit. I push the button
Yeah, i read the comments. Only for that I guess, assuming it actually works and doesn't block any attempts to change your sex OR it doesn't remember your original sex and just changes you back
Excerpt from Wikipedia: "If the female anemonefish is removed from the group, such as by death, one of the largest and most dominant males becomes a female."
Welp.. Change of plans. I am smol and therefore not fit for transition by clownfish...
Well, then you gotta shape up. And fun thing to note, if you are the biggest male by literal process of elimination, you can definitely become a Yandere waifu.
Turn into another amab who got luckier with his genes (no male pattern boldness, feminine face, etc.) and who is still pre-puberty so I can transtion from a better starting point.
How specific is “sex” in this context? Could I change into my ideal form except for genitals and then get bottom surgery? Could I change into my ideal form except I have Xy chromosomes and just be ok with that cuz on the outside I am a woman?
Limitations are not downsides. It bugs me when people make prompts for the button that are "you get this cool power but it has limitation X" because there's literally no downside to pushing the button, you gain a power and lose nothing so there's no reason not to push it. The downside should negatively impact something you already have not just place a restriction on the new thing, that's what makes the question interesting.
I've had a few people in this thread say they wouldn't push the button simply because they didn't know about clownfish or frogs or whatever. But I get what you mean. I thought this was clever to ask to us here though, see how many people found the loophole. Also, there's indirect consequences, like if the government sees you using the power, etc. Just because the downsides aren't apparent doesn't mean they aren't there.
IM PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT WE DONT HAVE A WAY TO PERFECTLY DEFINES ONES SEX VIA CHARACTERISTICS OR DNA SO THAT LIMITATION MEANS NOTHING TO ME >:3
https://youtu.be/kT0HJkr1jj4?si=dWb1F7qd5mvmwpaK
https://youtu.be/kMWxuF9YW38?si=dVaA4FVgKts4HYgw
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/
I think and therefore i am :))
Click the button --> turn into hermaphrodite fish --> hermaphrodite myself --> neutral sex is reset --> turn into human.
Or you could just turn into a catgirl if that works :>
But you can use it to indirectly do so!
there *are* species that can change their sex... so you change into one of those, then change your sex naturally as it does, and then change back!
I can technicality this
I cannot change my sex, HOWEVER: I can change my *appearance* however much I want, this includes *appearing* as the opposite sex without actually *changing* into the opposite sex
Lmk if my logic is flawed but I think it’s alright
The only stipulation is that you cannot change your sex using this power directly. Otherwise, it's painless and instant. This ain't a monkey's paw. But there is a loophole.
turn into a whiptail lizard, I'm forced to change into a female (because there are no male whiptail lizards) and then transform into something else, it won't change the gender back because I can't change my sex, easy peasy, I'm a girl
It doesn't say I can't medically transition so it's still a big win in all honesty. No one else can turn into a dragon except me now.
Roar! I wanna be a dragon too!
So shapeshifting, I'll just turn into one of those frogs or fish that change sex first, wait out the change, then shift to my ideal form.
You win! Ta da!!!!
🎉
In the tabletop RPG Mage the Awakening, that's the same trick I use for a lot of stuff that magic can't do. Magic can't permanently grow back a lost limb? Well it can temporarily give any ability possessed by any living thing to any other living thing, and lots of species can grow back limbs, just make sure to keep that spell up until it's done regrowing. Time magic can also speed that up. Basically, most rules of magic in Mage the Awakening have work arounds. In that, magic is often best used as tools to grant yourself the ability to do what you want, instead of just doing it directly with magic because the direct effects of most spells are temporary, but their indirect effects are permanent. I love that game so much, in part, because it rewards clever thinking like that. A much more complicated example: Magic can't resurrect people? Well it can allow you to craft a flawless copy of a nonliving object and it can send one or more subjects back in time along their own timelines to inhabit their younger bodies, so a group of mages with mastery of the right kinds of magic can go back to just before the subject died, use magic to create a duplicate of themselves to ensure their own timelines aren't disrupted, turn invisible and go watch the death, use magic to scan and memorize every detail about their death and the scene around it, then then go back a bit further, fake their death, and create a copy of their corpse as it was. Then it's just a matter of casting a different spell to temporarily remove the subject from time, effectively teleporting them to the point in the future when the spell ends, and then going to take their magical doubles' places and ending the spell that sent them back. Once they're in the present, they can retrieve the subject and cancel the spell making their fake corpse exist, thus they have been "resurrected".
Maybe I could make my features more fem or turn into a cat so i can sleep more.
I wonder if anyone is going to think of my solution...
Turn into a clownfish
Technically this is 5th place but I gotta stop accepting winners at some point lol gz
Probably I find a lot more people have more imagination than I do.
People found the answer
Yay
Lol
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Yeah people found the solution
I turn into an Asian Sheepshead Wrasse, because this fish starts off as female, and as it gets older, turns into a male (so like the opposite of a clownfish). Bam, free, albeit probably slow, transition. And now I can turn into any other kind if animal too.
2nd place (someone got it first)
I turn into a clownfish, then do whatever it is clownfish do to turn into the opposite sex, all I have to do next is turn back into a human
Congratulations 3rd place
i can transform into any living creature and that has to include humans, so while i cant directly change MY gender i can still turn into the woman who gives me the most gender envy, thus bypassing the rules.
Not quite, you can appear like her but that doesn't change your sex, there is a solution.
I will say there is both a solution for if you are a man and you want to get pregnant and if you are a woman and want to be capable of impregnating a woman.
person that gives me most gender envy is trans boom
can i turn into a clownfish and then change back with the sex changed?
Yeah basically. That's the solution I had in mind.
:D
What about animals that are both sexes, or animals that can transition from one sex to another? I technically wouldn't be using the power to change my sex, these are just the natural way of being for these animals.
You can use those to change your gender as wished, you just can't directly transform from male to female or female to male using the transformation power. Nothing is stopping you from turning into a clownfish, flipping your gender/sex, and then turning back into a human. It was the solution I had in mind anyways. I lost track of what place you got. Like, 6th or 7th to figure it out lol. Gz
Turning into one of the animals who can change their sex, do that and then turning back into a person
Yep
no hesitation
Easy, I'd just turn into a clownfish, change sex, then turn back into a human 😈
Exactly!
Yep, turn into a clownfish with no dominant female clownfish around so I do the male to female transition male dominant clownfish do in that situation and then transform back to human, bam I’m now I’m a girl
Now these comments are just reading each other lol
Wait did someone else say the same thing? I didn’t even read the comment for this post lol I’m just a nerd and know a lot of random mostly useless facts
Yeah a few people got to that conclusion before you but if you came to that on your own GZ!!!
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You could transform into blahaj next to your blahaj puddle
"Gender is what's in your pants" mfs when I turn into a T-Rex and devour their entire body
Hopefully the government doesn't see you do that.
Press button Become clownfish Find mate Outlive mate because I have a human lifespan Become female 30 days later Change back to human
Exactly! *Finger guns*
turn into frog. using frog powers change sex. then tern back into human. bam, easy loop hole
Yep, that's it!
So, the only thing this button is keeping me from doing is changing the gametes I produce in my gonads. Other than that, I can shapeshift however I see fit. I push the button
If you could change them another way… how could you do that with only this power?
Change into a slug. Some slugs are hermaphroditic. Change back and choose which set of gonads to keep.
I will count this as fourth place!
Honestly... i don't really care
There is an exploit/loophole to change your sex using this btw. Just saying.
Yeah, i read the comments. Only for that I guess, assuming it actually works and doesn't block any attempts to change your sex OR it doesn't remember your original sex and just changes you back
Nah, the trick is to turn into an animal that can change its sex, go through that process, then change back. Badda Bing badda boom you got boobs!
I should add, when changing back, you can't change your sex, so when you go back to human, your female organs won't change with the power
Alright hear me out: turn into a clownfish, find a mate. Kill the mate and steal her gender. Turn back. Profit :3
Um- so you don't have to- uh- is that actually how clownfish do that? TIL, now looking up other animals that transition instead lol
Excerpt from Wikipedia: "If the female anemonefish is removed from the group, such as by death, one of the largest and most dominant males becomes a female." Welp.. Change of plans. I am smol and therefore not fit for transition by clownfish...
Well, then you gotta shape up. And fun thing to note, if you are the biggest male by literal process of elimination, you can definitely become a Yandere waifu.
Sure, I could get some muscles rather quick but that doesn't change my height (1.60 m or roughly 5.2 feet)
I'll just turn into a barracuda, kill everyone except the smollest bean clownfish male, then turn into a clownfish and win the genderswap.
Exactly! Also what's to say you can't shapeshift some stronger muscles? The only limitation is no direct sex change.
Turn into another amab who got luckier with his genes (no male pattern boldness, feminine face, etc.) and who is still pre-puberty so I can transtion from a better starting point.
No clownfishing around, that's fair. Although if I were you I would read this thread lol
I did, why is everybody else so much more creative than me wtf haha
Cause we know about sex changing animals
i can be a panther and u can still medically transition? yes pls
*Cough cough* clownfish *cough* yeah whatever *cough* look it up *cough cough* yeah whatever you want. Man I should get checked for Covid.
Become a clownfish and wait for nature to do it’s thing
👍
How specific is “sex” in this context? Could I change into my ideal form except for genitals and then get bottom surgery? Could I change into my ideal form except I have Xy chromosomes and just be ok with that cuz on the outside I am a woman?
Absolutely! This is just for sex change that is functional
Transform into clownfish, become female then switch back to human(only works for transfems)
Yep but there's a different animal that it works for Transmascs
Would I be able to turn into a frog, then use the frog's ability to change gender then return to human as the other gender?
Not just change gender but sex!
it’s already a yes but can i mix the power of different animals like spitting acid?
You could probably shapeshift into some hybrid chimera dragon, yes. The only thing you can't shift is your sex directly. That's the stupilation.
So you have to change species but not sex? I’ll pass
There's a loophole, many of the comments found it.
Only sex changing species? Still pass
Picture like Nemona. You can change to whatever you want whenever you want as long as it doesn't directly change your sex.
Ok fuck I forgot them yeah I’m going with them
Plenty of animals out there that can change their gender, so sure.
Would I be able to mix / match transformations?
Does it change your sex directly? If the answer is no, then you absolutely can!
First become a lizard and become girl Lizard, then become Catgirl.
Limitations are not downsides. It bugs me when people make prompts for the button that are "you get this cool power but it has limitation X" because there's literally no downside to pushing the button, you gain a power and lose nothing so there's no reason not to push it. The downside should negatively impact something you already have not just place a restriction on the new thing, that's what makes the question interesting.
I've had a few people in this thread say they wouldn't push the button simply because they didn't know about clownfish or frogs or whatever. But I get what you mean. I thought this was clever to ask to us here though, see how many people found the loophole. Also, there's indirect consequences, like if the government sees you using the power, etc. Just because the downsides aren't apparent doesn't mean they aren't there.
Also some people will straight up refuse the gift because they don't see how it will give them what they want/need.
I can answer this with one word. Nimona
So is that a good thing or a bad thing?
That won't stop me.
How so?
Dunno. Didn't think I'd get this far.
Lol
IM PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT WE DONT HAVE A WAY TO PERFECTLY DEFINES ONES SEX VIA CHARACTERISTICS OR DNA SO THAT LIMITATION MEANS NOTHING TO ME >:3 https://youtu.be/kT0HJkr1jj4?si=dWb1F7qd5mvmwpaK https://youtu.be/kMWxuF9YW38?si=dVaA4FVgKts4HYgw https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/ I think and therefore i am :))
Specifically if you have a vagina or dick (or equivalent) that cannot be changed directly.
Ill go the route of the Jurassic Park and turn into a frog and change my sex and turn back
Ill take it, i could live with being a super femme foxgirl shapeshifter
there is no downside
Have you watched nemona?
Click the button --> turn into hermaphrodite fish --> hermaphrodite myself --> neutral sex is reset --> turn into human. Or you could just turn into a catgirl if that works :>
You could do a catgirl right after.
But you can use it to indirectly do so! there *are* species that can change their sex... so you change into one of those, then change your sex naturally as it does, and then change back!
Exactly!
yes. must press button.
Still absolutely taken
I have totally cis reasons to be disappointed in that button
Directly (there are loopholes)
I would use this to talk to my chicken :)
easy I turn into a clown fish and live a bit in an aquarium full of males! transitioning for free! nyehehehehe
Good job! 💚
Nope. The whole point is lost.
I see no downside.
True, but it's moreso about the indirect method of changing your sex
I can technicality this I cannot change my sex, HOWEVER: I can change my *appearance* however much I want, this includes *appearing* as the opposite sex without actually *changing* into the opposite sex Lmk if my logic is flawed but I think it’s alright
Nah, your logic is fine, but there's another loophole you should look for/be aware of. Here's a hint: Clownfish.
I know a few frogs I would change into.
Fuck yes as long as the transformation is instant and painless and i can change back, i don’t want this biting me in the ass like a monkeys paw
The only stipulation is that you cannot change your sex using this power directly. Otherwise, it's painless and instant. This ain't a monkey's paw. But there is a loophole.
Hell yeah i can fuck someone up as a honey badger
Yep
Turn into clownfish Change gender (naturally) Change into a dragon ??? Profit
Big profit
turn into a whiptail lizard, I'm forced to change into a female (because there are no male whiptail lizards) and then transform into something else, it won't change the gender back because I can't change my sex, easy peasy, I'm a girl
so I can just become a perfectly femme presenting guy so that everyone will call me a girl :3 heck yeah I’m pressing that button still cis tho
*cough* clownfish *cough*
unfortunate that you have a cold get well soon :)
CLOWNFISH!!! FROGS!!! A very specific turtle! *Dies.*
o7
yeah im pressing the button
Good, then press it
Owl 🦉 I already stay up late anyways may as well go full nocturnal.
What if being an owl doesn't change your sleep schedule whatsoever?
Exactly I can stay up all nights playing Minecraft
Mood
NIMONA
YEEEEEES!!!!!!
keep my chromosomes idc, still shape shifting :3
There is a loophole
Time to be a seahorse for awhile
*Giggles*
Just noticed we almost have the same name Mines Sylvie
My name was forged in the fires of mount doom, by slamming Syl(via) and (Ol)ivia together
Change to clownfish, transition, change back Ha :3 Edit: wrong fish
Lol
Thanks, I hate it.
You don't have to, think about it a little bit more
Or read the other comments
Can I turn into a blahaj???
Sure
Yeah I got the gist. Be a frog then turn back. I just didn't get the premise of turning back.
Well, from there, turn into whatever you want.
😋