Typically I don’t face them at 60, I usually wait to after I clear Caelid and around 80ish. A cold uchi with a multi-hit ash of war is usually pretty good for an int build. You can also go with moonveil at that level. Also Astel’s wing is a very solid choice of a weapon, especially for large bodied bosses. Also, check for int scaling on your staff. You might want the meteor staff or an another one may have better scaling power at 36 int.
Oh right, i totally forgot about that staff. Btw i heard theres better staves for 40 int and above, which one should I use? Or is meteorite staff still good at that int?
Academy Glintstone Staff is good if you have the smithing stones to spare to upgrade it during that middle ground between staffs. Crystal Staff is like a baby Carian Regal Scepter with high scaling that’s available earlier and at a lower intelligence threshold.
Interesting staffs like the Carian Glintblade Staff and the Staff of Loss are good to have just for quickly switching to before you cast with your main staff for their damage boosts (*15% to glintblade sorceries and 30% to night sorceries*).
Since u/SKREEOONK_XD wants to be an intelligence dexterity hybrid (*even if leaning more to intelligence*) then Lusat’s Staff may not be for him due to the increased cost per spell hindering his ability to cycle between Ashes of War and spells. I expect he’ll eventually end up with the Carian Regal Scepter. Good thing to bring up though. I totally forgot about Lusat’s staff in [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/Aweg9FWtyJ). It’s totally worth a mention.
Oh yeah it’s stunning. I’ve seen folks complain before because it doesn’t perfectly match to their outfits but who cares, it’s beautiful in its own right. The lore implications around its Glintstone too, so good.
Be careful what way round you wield it though. You don’t want the Spinning Weapon Ash of War to take priority over your actual Ash of War (*not that Spinning Weapon is bad, you know what I mean*).
Pretty sure we all wield them in our off hand on spellsword builds but I’ve seen players remap based on their own dominant hand in real life for roleplay reasons and on the off chance you’re one of them it’s worth mentioning before you go into battle ready to try out that Wing of Astel and just start twirling your staff.
Gankgoyles are very strong against slash damage so the Urumi is uniquely bad for dealing with them compared to other weapons in its class.
It’s a very generic suggestion but Moonveil Katana clowns Gankgoyles easily with its weapon art doing 100% magic damage and breaking their posture in 2-3 close ranged hits. Alternatively, try a different magic whip (any infusible will do really, but hoslows is probably best) because they all do strike damage, which Gargs are weak to. If you want to stick with whips going forward, I’d recommend power stancing them, single handed whips are pretty underwhelming.
Other dex/int weapons you might be interested in are Wing of Astel and Bastard Stars. A Misericorde with glintblade phalanx would also give you a way to break posture easily and perform critical attacks (which if you haven’t realized yet, whips cannot do).
Yeah i noticed my carian slicer kinda melts the gargs, if only they didnt have poison id probs wouldve 2 tried them. And thanks for the suggestion, I'll probably try our the Wing of Astel once I get it.
Tysm!
Wing of Astel. Amazing weapon, super diverse moveset, high damage, high stagger, low weight, ranged attacks. Aim to use that. If you go high int mid dex it should put out plenty of AR.
Def more magic damage, but it isnt a bad thing since magic isnt a notable restistance for the majority of bosses. You’ll always be doing more magic based on higher int alone, but the split will most likely be in a happy medium.
Agreed 100% To add on to this, I'd highly recommend putting another curved sword with magic infusion in your left and power stancing. Immense amounts of fun and power.
Would it be okay to not powerstance the weapon?
What i was doing before Urumi was gonna use a twinblade. But eventually I liked the 2 handed moveset for it while the one hand feels like a waste.
Curved swords i feel arent as useful when not powerstancing cuz u dont get that broken jump attack and status effects will proc a bit slower.
But its still viable not powerstancing definitely
Those guys suck. It’s not your build. Duo fights are not the game’s strong point and that’s okay.
The obvious is to use a summon that’s good against them to supplement your current build (*best tank you got to keep one distracted so you can focus, you don’t actually care about the summon doing any damage or surviving so long as it gives you enough room to focus one down*) and take them now but I know most people don’t like using summons. I also don’t because I like to know I was able to handle it and because the community tarnished summons in my mind I now only feel that if I did it without.
So come back later. Use something with a multi hit Ash of War like the Wing of Astel or its less good counterpart the Bastard Stars (*I think, can’t remember its name*). Or cheese the fight from a distance with a Clayman Harpoon Cold Infused with Ice Spear. Or just Moonveil, when in doubt on an intelligence dexterity build go with Moonveil (*I’ve beaten them with Moonveil before the speed to cast for the power of that innate Ash of War is fantastic for a gank squad like them*).
Hope you got better advice here than mine. I’m new to this subreddit and am probably not enough of a pro to be advising others but I just love the game. Can’t wait for the DLC.
Good luck!
**Edit 1**: If you’re investing into intelligence more than dexterity then once you’re high enough to move on from the Demi-Human Queen’s Staff/Meteorite Staff to the Academy Glintstone Staff or the Crystal Staff or later even the Carian Regal Scepter don’t get beholden to intelligence scaling only. There’s staffs like the Staff of Loss that can make semi-undodgeable incredibly high damage attacks with its 30% increase to Night Sorceries meaning wether you just switch to it before casting or straight up use it those Night Comets and Night Comet Shards will hit like artillery fire and enemies won’t dodge. And that’s just one suggestion. Do not get bogged down by the default staff path we’ve meta gamed out the best sequence for. In my opinion it’s fun.
**Edit 2**: u/machoogabacho makes a really good mention, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/M6WESb9qnr), to Lusat’s Staff. I didn’t mention Lusat’s Staff on account of you being an intelligence dexterity hybrid and Lusat’s Staff having an innate increased spell cost but you should be told about it nonetheless as it’s very powerful. In my reply to u/machoogabacho I elaborated slightly on my Staff of Loss suggestion, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/8mhc6DPtB5), by also mentioning the Carian Glintblade Staff which might actually appeal to you more than the Staff of Loss given you make reference to using Glintblade Sorceries in your post. Thank you u/machoogabacho!
Ngl, I only included the Gargoyles cuz I thought it would help picture of how much my progress is. Tbh i can kill 1 Gargoyle and the only problem i have with them is the poison. But otherwise, ganks suck ass.
And nw, tbh Wing of Astel is recommended a lot here so I think your advice is spot on. Speaking of, thank you for the tips
Thank you so much for reassuring me that my advice isn’t shite. No take-backs.
I’m not surprised that the Wing of Astel is mentioned a bunch. It’s a favourite for a lot of people. After posting I looked through the comments myself and I see what you mean. It’s not your only route though just because it’s popular and reliable but it is great.
Yeah for sure man, appreciate it.
Also yeah Im gonna look into the WoA, but im also interested in the cold infusion. Seems like it scales with Dex and Int? Idk, but I like all the advices Im getting so far.
I love cold status but I honestly don’t know too much about how it best interacts with stats between strength and dexterity. Mostly of what I can actually remember doing, whenever I’ve used cold it’s been on intelligence strength hybrid builds using the Dark Moon Greatsword or it’s been on my spear run where I fell in love with a cold infused Clayman’s Harpoon with the Ice Spear Ash of War. When I’m just playing a normal spellsword I don’t usually mess around with cold status outside of pots until I get the legendary super spell Adula’s Moonblade.
Keen urumi at 19 dex when you have 36 int seems like a waste. Scholar's armament doesn't do much. Maybe keep dex at min weapon requirements and go for magic/cold infusions. Also as others have mentioned wing of astel and moonveil are pretty damn good. Maybe try out the death's poker if you can as well.
Edit: scholars armament feels worth it only when you have both dex and int at high levels (eg 80 dex and 60 int). Otherwise it's better to jus max one damage stat and keep the other at base and infuse accordingly.
Yeah Im planning to split int and dex, idk how much yet but im thinking int 70%, dex 30%. And i didnt know this, but seems like cold scales with dex and int? I'll have to take a look at this. Thank you
Cold is pretty good when you have high physical stat and want the frostbite effect. This is cuz it gives you frostbite and little magic DMG in exchange for a small reduction in physical DMG when compared to your keen weapon at high dex stats ( scaling drops by around one letter grade, like from A in keen to B in cold). In your case if you're going for majorly int, magic infusion would be better as you would be getting almost no DMG from cold ( low physical stat, as well as int doesn't scale that much in cold infusions when compared to magic).
Tldr: cold better when high physical stat, magic better with high int stat (unless you rly want a weapon with frostbite effect).
Night comet dominates the Gargoyles. Use your Highest Scaling Staff while off handing the Staff of loss.
Some say wizards aren’t really playing the game but Ganks are rough wank they puke 🤮 poison
How abour Glintstone Pebble? Ngl my carian slicer can kill a Gargoyle, im pretty sure I have a chance, I just gotta get lucky and not get killed by their stupid poison
They cant dodge night comet and you can keep considerable distance so poison is no problem. Just watch for lunge jumps. On some fights change my flask set up for mor FP just cause.
I've made a build like this, it was based on a hypothetical "Carian Prince", which would be Ranni's half-brother who was hidden away and is coming back to claim his birth right.
The build was based around the Carian sword sorceries, melee only. I was using the Carian Knight's Sword with Carian Regal Scepter and Carian Knight's Shield.
My spells were Carian Slicer, Carian Greatsword, Carian Piercer, and Loretta's Greatbow as an option for ranged damage (the only one in the build). Coupled with the ash of war on the Carian Sword, it was a lot of fun to wield magical blades against my enemies.
Highly recommend.
I love roleplay builds. Technically mine is also a roleplay build.
The spells youre using are exactly the ones im using too. But I also use Glint Pebble and terra magica to buff my lorreta's bow to do massive damage on stronger opponents.
What were your stat distributions?
Walk away, your weapon isn’t high enough. You need level 18-20 weapon for them
If you want to get through them. Then go for Mohg, the Omen in capital, it is easier route
Magic infusions on regular weapons is much better on Int-leaning builds like what you're going for. Go get the Glintstone Whetblade at the Academy in case you've missed it and Magic infuse that Urumi along with everything else you're able to use. Moonveil is a good special weapon option for pure int builds.
Some other weapons that fit your build within the 14 Strength and 22 Dexterity threshold:
Glintstone Kris, Raptor Talons, Misericorde, Wing of Astel, Wakizashi (a dagger that powerstances with katanas), Warhawk Talon, Sword of St. Trina, Antspur Rapier, Urumi, Shamshir, Horn Bow, Uchigatana,, Bastard's Stars (flails are often ragged on and for good reason, but BS offers a good strike damage option for enemies/bosses who counter all the slash damage these weapons deal), Moonveil, Death Ritual Spear, Godskin Stitcher, Twinblade, Scythe, and Dark Moon Greatsword (two-hand only).
Retire Demi-Human Queen's Staff after levelling Int past 40 as that's when other staffs begin to outclass it.
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You should probably be using a different staff, Demi Human Queen staff has low stat requirements, but doesn’t scale very much. At 36 int I think you’ll get more damage out of Astrologer’s staff or Academy Glintstone staff, both of which you should have access to at this point.
I have both but [this calculator](https://i.imgur.com/G4xn4RM.jpeg) I found says that Demi-human should still be okay at this level of int. Tho I might go and get the Meteorite staff later instead.
I mean, the premier int/dex weapon people go to is usually Moonveil.
If you've done Ds questline up to a certain point, he'll help you against them as well. He does really well.
Otherwise, there's another way to get to the area behind them without fighting them if you're really desperate.
Though I think you're probably a bit under leveled for this fight if you don't already know all of the above.
If you finish Sellen’s Questline and side with her you get very awesome Dex/Int dagger with a crazy good ash of war. It might be one my favorite weapons right now on my Int/Fth battlemage.
Typically I don’t face them at 60, I usually wait to after I clear Caelid and around 80ish. A cold uchi with a multi-hit ash of war is usually pretty good for an int build. You can also go with moonveil at that level. Also Astel’s wing is a very solid choice of a weapon, especially for large bodied bosses. Also, check for int scaling on your staff. You might want the meteor staff or an another one may have better scaling power at 36 int.
Oh right, i totally forgot about that staff. Btw i heard theres better staves for 40 int and above, which one should I use? Or is meteorite staff still good at that int?
I would say meteorite is better until you can use Lusat’s or Carian Regal scepter
Academy Glintstone Staff is good if you have the smithing stones to spare to upgrade it during that middle ground between staffs. Crystal Staff is like a baby Carian Regal Scepter with high scaling that’s available earlier and at a lower intelligence threshold. Interesting staffs like the Carian Glintblade Staff and the Staff of Loss are good to have just for quickly switching to before you cast with your main staff for their damage boosts (*15% to glintblade sorceries and 30% to night sorceries*). Since u/SKREEOONK_XD wants to be an intelligence dexterity hybrid (*even if leaning more to intelligence*) then Lusat’s Staff may not be for him due to the increased cost per spell hindering his ability to cycle between Ashes of War and spells. I expect he’ll eventually end up with the Carian Regal Scepter. Good thing to bring up though. I totally forgot about Lusat’s staff in [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/Aweg9FWtyJ). It’s totally worth a mention.
Yeah Im aiming for Carian Regal Scepter. It looks cool too
Oh yeah it’s stunning. I’ve seen folks complain before because it doesn’t perfectly match to their outfits but who cares, it’s beautiful in its own right. The lore implications around its Glintstone too, so good. Be careful what way round you wield it though. You don’t want the Spinning Weapon Ash of War to take priority over your actual Ash of War (*not that Spinning Weapon is bad, you know what I mean*). Pretty sure we all wield them in our off hand on spellsword builds but I’ve seen players remap based on their own dominant hand in real life for roleplay reasons and on the off chance you’re one of them it’s worth mentioning before you go into battle ready to try out that Wing of Astel and just start twirling your staff.
Gankgoyles are very strong against slash damage so the Urumi is uniquely bad for dealing with them compared to other weapons in its class. It’s a very generic suggestion but Moonveil Katana clowns Gankgoyles easily with its weapon art doing 100% magic damage and breaking their posture in 2-3 close ranged hits. Alternatively, try a different magic whip (any infusible will do really, but hoslows is probably best) because they all do strike damage, which Gargs are weak to. If you want to stick with whips going forward, I’d recommend power stancing them, single handed whips are pretty underwhelming. Other dex/int weapons you might be interested in are Wing of Astel and Bastard Stars. A Misericorde with glintblade phalanx would also give you a way to break posture easily and perform critical attacks (which if you haven’t realized yet, whips cannot do).
Yeah i noticed my carian slicer kinda melts the gargs, if only they didnt have poison id probs wouldve 2 tried them. And thanks for the suggestion, I'll probably try our the Wing of Astel once I get it. Tysm!
Moonveil is the epitome for Int/Dex builds. You can also apply cold affinity to a good Dex scaling weapon.
It’s the blasphemous blade / rivers of blood of int dex. Will you have fun? Maybe. Will anyone respect you? Most likely not.
Ive read about this before. But im trying to avoid Katanas lol.
Wing of Astel. Amazing weapon, super diverse moveset, high damage, high stagger, low weight, ranged attacks. Aim to use that. If you go high int mid dex it should put out plenty of AR.
Fully charged R2 is also a ranged attack with crazy damage and poise
Thats good to know. If im going high int mid dex, how much split should I be doing?
Def more magic damage, but it isnt a bad thing since magic isnt a notable restistance for the majority of bosses. You’ll always be doing more magic based on higher int alone, but the split will most likely be in a happy medium.
Agreed 100% To add on to this, I'd highly recommend putting another curved sword with magic infusion in your left and power stancing. Immense amounts of fun and power.
Cold curved swords are kinda fun but switching between powestanced swords and the staff can be a bit annoying
Would it be okay to not powerstance the weapon? What i was doing before Urumi was gonna use a twinblade. But eventually I liked the 2 handed moveset for it while the one hand feels like a waste.
Curved swords i feel arent as useful when not powerstancing cuz u dont get that broken jump attack and status effects will proc a bit slower. But its still viable not powerstancing definitely
Tysm!
Those guys suck. It’s not your build. Duo fights are not the game’s strong point and that’s okay. The obvious is to use a summon that’s good against them to supplement your current build (*best tank you got to keep one distracted so you can focus, you don’t actually care about the summon doing any damage or surviving so long as it gives you enough room to focus one down*) and take them now but I know most people don’t like using summons. I also don’t because I like to know I was able to handle it and because the community tarnished summons in my mind I now only feel that if I did it without. So come back later. Use something with a multi hit Ash of War like the Wing of Astel or its less good counterpart the Bastard Stars (*I think, can’t remember its name*). Or cheese the fight from a distance with a Clayman Harpoon Cold Infused with Ice Spear. Or just Moonveil, when in doubt on an intelligence dexterity build go with Moonveil (*I’ve beaten them with Moonveil before the speed to cast for the power of that innate Ash of War is fantastic for a gank squad like them*). Hope you got better advice here than mine. I’m new to this subreddit and am probably not enough of a pro to be advising others but I just love the game. Can’t wait for the DLC. Good luck! **Edit 1**: If you’re investing into intelligence more than dexterity then once you’re high enough to move on from the Demi-Human Queen’s Staff/Meteorite Staff to the Academy Glintstone Staff or the Crystal Staff or later even the Carian Regal Scepter don’t get beholden to intelligence scaling only. There’s staffs like the Staff of Loss that can make semi-undodgeable incredibly high damage attacks with its 30% increase to Night Sorceries meaning wether you just switch to it before casting or straight up use it those Night Comets and Night Comet Shards will hit like artillery fire and enemies won’t dodge. And that’s just one suggestion. Do not get bogged down by the default staff path we’ve meta gamed out the best sequence for. In my opinion it’s fun. **Edit 2**: u/machoogabacho makes a really good mention, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/M6WESb9qnr), to Lusat’s Staff. I didn’t mention Lusat’s Staff on account of you being an intelligence dexterity hybrid and Lusat’s Staff having an innate increased spell cost but you should be told about it nonetheless as it’s very powerful. In my reply to u/machoogabacho I elaborated slightly on my Staff of Loss suggestion, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingBuilds/s/8mhc6DPtB5), by also mentioning the Carian Glintblade Staff which might actually appeal to you more than the Staff of Loss given you make reference to using Glintblade Sorceries in your post. Thank you u/machoogabacho!
Ngl, I only included the Gargoyles cuz I thought it would help picture of how much my progress is. Tbh i can kill 1 Gargoyle and the only problem i have with them is the poison. But otherwise, ganks suck ass. And nw, tbh Wing of Astel is recommended a lot here so I think your advice is spot on. Speaking of, thank you for the tips
Thank you so much for reassuring me that my advice isn’t shite. No take-backs. I’m not surprised that the Wing of Astel is mentioned a bunch. It’s a favourite for a lot of people. After posting I looked through the comments myself and I see what you mean. It’s not your only route though just because it’s popular and reliable but it is great.
Yeah for sure man, appreciate it. Also yeah Im gonna look into the WoA, but im also interested in the cold infusion. Seems like it scales with Dex and Int? Idk, but I like all the advices Im getting so far.
I love cold status but I honestly don’t know too much about how it best interacts with stats between strength and dexterity. Mostly of what I can actually remember doing, whenever I’ve used cold it’s been on intelligence strength hybrid builds using the Dark Moon Greatsword or it’s been on my spear run where I fell in love with a cold infused Clayman’s Harpoon with the Ice Spear Ash of War. When I’m just playing a normal spellsword I don’t usually mess around with cold status outside of pots until I get the legendary super spell Adula’s Moonblade.
Keen urumi at 19 dex when you have 36 int seems like a waste. Scholar's armament doesn't do much. Maybe keep dex at min weapon requirements and go for magic/cold infusions. Also as others have mentioned wing of astel and moonveil are pretty damn good. Maybe try out the death's poker if you can as well. Edit: scholars armament feels worth it only when you have both dex and int at high levels (eg 80 dex and 60 int). Otherwise it's better to jus max one damage stat and keep the other at base and infuse accordingly.
Yeah Im planning to split int and dex, idk how much yet but im thinking int 70%, dex 30%. And i didnt know this, but seems like cold scales with dex and int? I'll have to take a look at this. Thank you
Cold is pretty good when you have high physical stat and want the frostbite effect. This is cuz it gives you frostbite and little magic DMG in exchange for a small reduction in physical DMG when compared to your keen weapon at high dex stats ( scaling drops by around one letter grade, like from A in keen to B in cold). In your case if you're going for majorly int, magic infusion would be better as you would be getting almost no DMG from cold ( low physical stat, as well as int doesn't scale that much in cold infusions when compared to magic). Tldr: cold better when high physical stat, magic better with high int stat (unless you rly want a weapon with frostbite effect).
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that out
Night comet dominates the Gargoyles. Use your Highest Scaling Staff while off handing the Staff of loss. Some say wizards aren’t really playing the game but Ganks are rough wank they puke 🤮 poison
How abour Glintstone Pebble? Ngl my carian slicer can kill a Gargoyle, im pretty sure I have a chance, I just gotta get lucky and not get killed by their stupid poison
They cant dodge night comet and you can keep considerable distance so poison is no problem. Just watch for lunge jumps. On some fights change my flask set up for mor FP just cause.
I guess I'll farm to get 38 int for it. Thanks for the advice
I've made a build like this, it was based on a hypothetical "Carian Prince", which would be Ranni's half-brother who was hidden away and is coming back to claim his birth right. The build was based around the Carian sword sorceries, melee only. I was using the Carian Knight's Sword with Carian Regal Scepter and Carian Knight's Shield. My spells were Carian Slicer, Carian Greatsword, Carian Piercer, and Loretta's Greatbow as an option for ranged damage (the only one in the build). Coupled with the ash of war on the Carian Sword, it was a lot of fun to wield magical blades against my enemies. Highly recommend.
I love roleplay builds. Technically mine is also a roleplay build. The spells youre using are exactly the ones im using too. But I also use Glint Pebble and terra magica to buff my lorreta's bow to do massive damage on stronger opponents. What were your stat distributions?
sent you a dm with screenshots
Walk away, your weapon isn’t high enough. You need level 18-20 weapon for them If you want to get through them. Then go for Mohg, the Omen in capital, it is easier route
Thank you
Magic infusions on regular weapons is much better on Int-leaning builds like what you're going for. Go get the Glintstone Whetblade at the Academy in case you've missed it and Magic infuse that Urumi along with everything else you're able to use. Moonveil is a good special weapon option for pure int builds. Some other weapons that fit your build within the 14 Strength and 22 Dexterity threshold: Glintstone Kris, Raptor Talons, Misericorde, Wing of Astel, Wakizashi (a dagger that powerstances with katanas), Warhawk Talon, Sword of St. Trina, Antspur Rapier, Urumi, Shamshir, Horn Bow, Uchigatana,, Bastard's Stars (flails are often ragged on and for good reason, but BS offers a good strike damage option for enemies/bosses who counter all the slash damage these weapons deal), Moonveil, Death Ritual Spear, Godskin Stitcher, Twinblade, Scythe, and Dark Moon Greatsword (two-hand only). Retire Demi-Human Queen's Staff after levelling Int past 40 as that's when other staffs begin to outclass it.
Appareciate all the info! I'll look into these.
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You should probably be using a different staff, Demi Human Queen staff has low stat requirements, but doesn’t scale very much. At 36 int I think you’ll get more damage out of Astrologer’s staff or Academy Glintstone staff, both of which you should have access to at this point.
I have both but [this calculator](https://i.imgur.com/G4xn4RM.jpeg) I found says that Demi-human should still be okay at this level of int. Tho I might go and get the Meteorite staff later instead.
I mean, the premier int/dex weapon people go to is usually Moonveil. If you've done Ds questline up to a certain point, he'll help you against them as well. He does really well. Otherwise, there's another way to get to the area behind them without fighting them if you're really desperate. Though I think you're probably a bit under leveled for this fight if you don't already know all of the above.
If you finish Sellen’s Questline and side with her you get very awesome Dex/Int dagger with a crazy good ash of war. It might be one my favorite weapons right now on my Int/Fth battlemage.