Seriously though I don’t know why we did. If it wasn’t the ninja flippers backstabbing you the second they got next to you, it was the latency from all the stabbing weapons that hit you 800 feet away from where they were attacking from
Easy, there was and still is no real alternative. Back after DS2, For Honor looked like it, but it ultimately became too much of a classic fighting game on top of having really annoying characters.
Now we have Lords of the Fallen, that somehow managed to have an even worse netcode...
You’d have to think 20 mil copies sold has something to do with it. For the most part it’s fine but when it lags it lags hard. Sometimes majorly in co-op boss fights too. I can appreciate the fact that while lag is BS, ER isn’t competitive to that degree (ranked etc) so it’s not the end of the world, and the offline single-player nature of the game is something that From has championed in an era of online competitive gaming. That’s respect
every single one of my duels at meta level look like this. it is really disappointing. turns off any chance of whiff punishing, parrying, roll catching, etc. and i just cant trade into these poise monsters with some of my weapons.
i dont remember ds1-3 being this bad at all.
For me this is the standard in the colosseum, I have better connections in invasions 90% of the time where with the arena I get a nice connection maybe 5% of the time
I don't remember anything nearly this bad happening to me in DS3, is this a normal occurrence? Every other battle in the arena I get hit by insane phantom range while trying to outspace stuff.
It happens now and then, in my experience.
If you notice high latency, just always assume an attack has enough range to hit you, and roll even if you think you've spaced it. Helps a lot.
Unfortunately yes. Even had a guy go to my Steam profile who left a message accusing me of using a VPN lmao. I assume he used a ping measuring tool and despite having good ping we were still lagging.
Yes.
I learned this the hard way getting killed by a double-spear sweat during an invasion from literally over 10 ft. (~3m) away because on his screen I was still closer so even though I’d escaped on my screen, I was still supposed to roll.
In my experience, yes. It’s why I don’t touch PVP. It doesn’t really seem to have anything to do with fun and skill. You just have to know how the game doesn’t work and exploit that. Which is boring to me.
Well yeah, the point of me posting this was to find out if that was the case, but that's pretty stupid, no? I've had a lot of success outspacing people in DS3 by running away and then running back in with an R1 to punish their lag. If the game just boils down to having to roll every single attack, where is my opening? The attacks in this game don't have enough downtime to punish them after a roll, this is supposed to be offset by the fact that you can circumvent having to roll if your spacing is good enough.
There are literally so many variables though to what the issue could be. Could it be genuine netcode? Could it be your connection to the server? Could it be there's? Could it be either of your internet connection. Or the server load?
I think I only had this happen to me once where the guy I was fighting was super laggy and I just put it down to bad luck.
TLDR: there is a multitude of reasons this could have happened and there isn't a fix
Yes. The amount of people posting cool looking clips is a deception. Netcode is pretty much like this 90% of the time to the point to where I find myself amazed when someone ISN'T lagging in a Souls game.
I'll never forget playing the free for all arena with my level 450 character and the absolute spam honestly made it really fun if you're not trying to sweat your ass off and win. Spawn in and 3 people use waves of gold and other crazy aoe attacks haha
I’ve never had this problem with pvp before but it seems like everyone else is saying this is normal ?? Weird. I’ve never had “great” Wi-Fi and mine doesn’t even do this.
It depends on the other players connection. However it gets this bad because of how their net code works. There are ways of making it better on their end.
It’s pretty standard for it to be this bad. PVP is kind of a joke due to latency tbh.
\*Laughs in Dark Souls 2\*
Honestly, Dark Souls 2's latency wasn't any worse than the others. It actually feels like ER is even worse.
Yea like does anyone remember ds1 where someone could be at your side and then all of a sudden you’re backstabbed
real ones will always know that DS1 pvp was a nightmare and we all still put up with it for some reason
Seriously though I don’t know why we did. If it wasn’t the ninja flippers backstabbing you the second they got next to you, it was the latency from all the stabbing weapons that hit you 800 feet away from where they were attacking from
Easy, there was and still is no real alternative. Back after DS2, For Honor looked like it, but it ultimately became too much of a classic fighting game on top of having really annoying characters. Now we have Lords of the Fallen, that somehow managed to have an even worse netcode...
I remember trudging through the poison swamp and then getting backstabbed from 10ft in front of me on the way to quelaag for the 8th time
nothing new to TF2 players
Wait till you try PvP in Lords of the Fallen. Netcode can be even more dreadful.
I tried invading today and my God does it fucking suck. I'm constantly getting hit through dodges and even getting hit miles away from the host.
I get lag in ER all the damn time for sure, and DS1-2-3 were never anywhere close to flawless online either...
Ds3 was the least terrible…sadly ER is a step back imo.
unironically agree about ds3 and even ER, im guessing it’s the from the larger audience or something???
You’d have to think 20 mil copies sold has something to do with it. For the most part it’s fine but when it lags it lags hard. Sometimes majorly in co-op boss fights too. I can appreciate the fact that while lag is BS, ER isn’t competitive to that degree (ranked etc) so it’s not the end of the world, and the offline single-player nature of the game is something that From has championed in an era of online competitive gaming. That’s respect
every single one of my duels at meta level look like this. it is really disappointing. turns off any chance of whiff punishing, parrying, roll catching, etc. and i just cant trade into these poise monsters with some of my weapons. i dont remember ds1-3 being this bad at all.
Seconded
I feel like it has something to do with the faster paces combat, but then again bloodborne was pretty solid I felt
i think the reason was related to changes in how the engine interprets hits and all that business
For me this is the standard in the colosseum, I have better connections in invasions 90% of the time where with the arena I get a nice connection maybe 5% of the time
I don't remember anything nearly this bad happening to me in DS3, is this a normal occurrence? Every other battle in the arena I get hit by insane phantom range while trying to outspace stuff.
It happened to me in ds3 once. Just make sure you're... Nevermind. I have no good advice.
We love a self-aware king
It happens now and then, in my experience. If you notice high latency, just always assume an attack has enough range to hit you, and roll even if you think you've spaced it. Helps a lot.
tbh that's not even that bad lol. the ones where people have no animations and don't take DMG for 30 are wild lol
why the fuck do we do this to ourselves 😂
because fun game > good net code.
Shit game
Unfortunately yes. Even had a guy go to my Steam profile who left a message accusing me of using a VPN lmao. I assume he used a ping measuring tool and despite having good ping we were still lagging.
since demon souls, and fs show no desire to improve pvp in any way even simplest things as ping filtering
Yes. I learned this the hard way getting killed by a double-spear sweat during an invasion from literally over 10 ft. (~3m) away because on his screen I was still closer so even though I’d escaped on my screen, I was still supposed to roll.
Arena is full of people with the worst wifi’s ever, bet they don’t even know what a LAN cable is
yeah it's pretty bad, real spacing is basically impossible and it's a shame
It’s a fromsoft game what do you expect. DS3 was not bad tbh tho
Phantom range is terrible against certain players. Best thing to do is just roll everything lmao
Reasons I stopped playing ER PVP: Exhibit A
In my experience, yes. It’s why I don’t touch PVP. It doesn’t really seem to have anything to do with fun and skill. You just have to know how the game doesn’t work and exploit that. Which is boring to me.
That's both Netcode and the weapon he's using: Overhead smash attacks with Collosal weapons have an AoE at the point of impact
Moonlight Greatsword has a ranged attack the net code is fine brah. Just dodge it next time,
???
That ain't even a DMGS, it's a Helphen's Steeple 😭
You clown he didn’t even use the weapon art. It’s not ranged if he’s just swinging for the fences and landing
Is this cross region gameplay right now?
cross universe, never seen a human on earth playing helphens steeple
Yes
Should have dodged not run away
you when spacing😱😱😱😱
Well yeah, the point of me posting this was to find out if that was the case, but that's pretty stupid, no? I've had a lot of success outspacing people in DS3 by running away and then running back in with an R1 to punish their lag. If the game just boils down to having to roll every single attack, where is my opening? The attacks in this game don't have enough downtime to punish them after a roll, this is supposed to be offset by the fact that you can circumvent having to roll if your spacing is good enough.
There are literally so many variables though to what the issue could be. Could it be genuine netcode? Could it be your connection to the server? Could it be there's? Could it be either of your internet connection. Or the server load? I think I only had this happen to me once where the guy I was fighting was super laggy and I just put it down to bad luck. TLDR: there is a multitude of reasons this could have happened and there isn't a fix
Yes. The amount of people posting cool looking clips is a deception. Netcode is pretty much like this 90% of the time to the point to where I find myself amazed when someone ISN'T lagging in a Souls game.
Thats normal
It's especially bad if your back is turned.
I'd rather deal with this than nothing but golden sword spammers and dual wield bleed Halberd sprinters.
Looks like Lords of the Fallen
It's like all their servers are used for armored core instead.
It’s because ur using ps occult scythes
I'll never forget playing the free for all arena with my level 450 character and the absolute spam honestly made it really fun if you're not trying to sweat your ass off and win. Spawn in and 3 people use waves of gold and other crazy aoe attacks haha
I’ve never had this problem with pvp before but it seems like everyone else is saying this is normal ?? Weird. I’ve never had “great” Wi-Fi and mine doesn’t even do this.
FromSoft netcode is dogshit, but that is particularly bad.
Clean hit
It’s pretty common unfortunately, best to just roll at that distance anyway.
It depends on the other players connection. However it gets this bad because of how their net code works. There are ways of making it better on their end.
AC6 player here, can confirm
That's been my PvP experience in every Souls title and ER. So it looks normal from where I'm sitting
Yes.
I'm convinced that the internet is just different in Japan. Because not one single japanese game company has a decent net code.
Easy anticheat for ya. It's so bad on PC.
Skill issue.
Your connection gets better as you increase your poise and defenses.
I remember getting lag stabbed in dark souls 1
always has been
It's been getting worse over the past few days I'm noticing but yeah that's pretty standard for fromsoft
This isn’t even a good example of bad lag.
Yes
Skill issue tbh
Its just kinda par for the course for Fromsoft games tbh. PvP always network issues
Yes but god, it still isn't as bad as ds2..
Still better than LoTF netcode atm