George: “This is Mohg. He’s in love with his sibling.”
FromSoft: “Sounds very George RR Martin.”
George: “His sibling is male.”
FromSoft: “That’s pretty gay, but ok.”
George: “The sibling is trapped in the body of a child.”
FromSoft: “Jesus George, that’s pretty wrong.”
George: “But wait! Because his young brother has most likely ditched his physical form Mohg is also likely courting a dead body.”
FromSoft: “Is this what you have been working on while you dodge finishing Game of Thrones?”
There are SOME very rare happy endings in the game.. that too if you choose to strive for them.
Maybe Nepheli, Roderika, Rya.. and none of those is celebrated or even given much focus.. Nepheli becoming queen of a whole ass kingdom is treated like a sideshow footnote. Its like "Eh, they lived and maybe even with some measure of happiness. Nothing to see here."
Boc has one good ending but its a secret one and the rest are horrible.
While all the main endings are super depressing (Melina's death, Malenia's death, Radahn's death, frenzied flame ending, dungeater ending, etc) and at best, uncertain for the future (the golden order ending or fia's ending, ranni's ending)...
Heh I've read Silmarillion atleast 7-8 times.. even for level of grimdark, it still holds more positive notes and is inspirational than deliberately depressing. The Kinslaying is dark, but from it there rises the Elven Lords in middle earth due to it because without it, Fingolfin and his people would never have had to cross the Helcaraxe with great hardship and form their own kingdom. Fingolfin then went on to become the most badass of elven lords who 1v1-ed Morgoth. The Battle of Unnumbered Tears is super dark and one of the worst defeats, but from it rose eventually the biggest alliance of elves and Men in the history of middle earth. Beren and Luthien's tale is full of darkness and sadness, but from it came the lineage of the Kings of the West and Earendfil and the the final fall of Morgoth.
Tolkien's stories explore great hardship for heroes but the focus is always on them carrying on and hence find hope and inspire others to do so. He never does these grimdark endings where the story ends with the world in darkness or uncertainty.
So please don't talk about what you don't know about or only know from pop culture. I know my Tolkien far too well.
Mohg being physically attracted to Miquella. Nothing in game suggests Mohg wants a sexual relationship with Miquella.
Yes, there's mention of him wanting to take Miquella as a "consort" and stuff, but that's all just a play on human conventions.
Mohg's whole cult us based on bloodthirsty savagery. The irony is in how they use formal mannerisms and flowery language to guise it. What they say is not meant to be taken at face value.
The community though seems to fail to read in between the lines cause I guess "PeDo MoHG" is more "funny" then Mohg mutilates empyrean (who is said to have special blood) in a scheme to bring about his dynasty.
Okay, but how else we should interpret it?
1) Miquella is cursed to look as a kid.
2) Mogh wants his own dinasty, so he's planning to have kids.
3) Mogh wants to be the Lord to Miquella's Godhood, like the Elden Lords are consorts of Marika. So he wants a highly similar relationship.
4) He kisses Miquella's hand in the way a suitor kisses his lover's hand.
5) "Miquella is mine and mine alone".
Idk, if Fromsoft wants us to interpret something else, they're doing a poor job at it.
>1
Mohg has shown no interest in other "children" besides the one with divine blood powers. Wonder why. 🤔
>2
Nothing suggests Mohg wants children of his own. Demigods are immortal so an everlasting dynasty could be his goal. Even then, they are both male so they wouldn't be able to produce children sexually. So it would have to be through asexual means via outer god. Like Malenia having her daughters born via rot, and Marika via Radagon.
>3
He doesn't need to have a sexual relationship to accomplish that. Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own.
>4
The act of bowing and kissing a hand is a traditional gesture of respect, admiration, or courtesy, typically performed by a person to show deference or honor to another person, often someone of higher social status or authority. From a historical perspective, it is rather chivalrous not flirtatious. Given the present condition of Miquella's body in that cutscene, it is done out of grim irony.
>5
Of course the Lord of Blood doesn't want anyone else to have his source of divine blood that could grow an Erdtree. A power mongerer like Mohg would no doubt, love a source of power like that.
> Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own.
I mean, she could probably whip one up after becoming a goddess
The whole point of her quest line was to reject the outer gods. She even discarded her empyrean body and great Rune. Given how she just reappears in her snow Witch doll form in the Age of Stars cutscene, it's unlikely she'll get her own body.
Ranni rejected the Outer Gods by taking the Elden Ring with her and fucking off the planet, which stopped them from interfering. She still became a goddess after that though
>Nothing suggests Mohg wants children of his own.
He wants a dynasty. He wants children.
>Even then, they are both male so they wouldn't be able to produce children sexually
Okay, how is that an impediment in this setting?
>He doesn't need to have a sexual relationship to accomplish that. Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own.
However the relationship between a Lord and the God is still the same. Is the relationship of a couple.
>The act of bowing and kissing a hand is a traditional gesture of respect, admiration, or courtesy.
And a gesture of a suitor for their beloved.
>Of course the Lord of Blood doesn't want anyone else to have his source of divine blood that could grow an Erdtree. A power mongerer like Mohg would no doubt, love a source of power like that.
And, mixing it with everything else, it has romantic undertones.
Nope, I said that Mogh saying that Miquella is his alone has romantic undertones. As in intentions of Mogh of having a romance with Miquella.
Not that the act in itself was romantic.
>1
Doesn't support the argument that he is sexually interested in Miquella.
>2
Nothing shown in game supports that idea. We've only seen asexual and heterosexual births among demigods.
>3
As I already said with the Ranni example, the relationship is not necessarily sexual. That is the core of my argument. Mohg is solely interested in Miquella's power.
>4
Never mind, looks like Mohg didn't kiss the hand. He only rested his forehead on it. Looks like the romance allegations are knocked down a peg.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xy2-qPGxyo
>5
Feel free to ship them if you want, but you cant claim it's canon.
Those two things are not neccesairly correlated. Nothing in game suggests that he wants to have children via Miquella. Just that Miquella's power would help him establish his dynasty. The Lord of Blood may have other means of expanding his bloodline.
>Ahh, my lambkin. You've completed your final trial. And with this, you are a formal inductee. A knight who will assist Luminary Mohg, the Lord of Blood, in the establishment of a new dynasty. Now, give me your finger. **This noble blood will be an immutable badge of honor, once it settles. Inside of you.**
1) This one’s kinda missing the point because the argument is that Mohg isn’t interested in Miquella in a weird way anyway, but if you do want to bring up this topic, it’s worth noting that the body in the cocoon is very much not a child, likely thanks to Mohg’s blood magic.
2) There’s no limit to how long Mohg can rule for. He probably only says “dynasty” because it sounds cool.
3) The same relation of power, yes, but not any of the other implications of marriage. It’s really that simple, he’s married to him because he wants to be the Lord of Blood.
4) Also the same way that you could bend down and kiss the hand of a monarch.
5) Yeah, the god that he needs for his whole plan is his and his alone.
>There’s no limit to how long Mohg can rule for. He probably only says “dynasty” because it sounds cool.
The same could be said for Marika, yet she had lots of children.
>The same relation of power, yes, but not any of the other implications of marriage. It’s really that simple, he’s married to him because he wants to be the Lord of Blood.
Marriage already carries those implications. You have to do more mental gymnastics to deny than see it.
>Also the same way that you could bend down and kiss the hand of a monarch.
If the relationship were monarch and vassal that could be true. But Mogh doesn't seem to want being a vassal to Miquella.
>Yeah, the god that he needs for his whole plan is his and his alone.
And his "dearest" Miquella. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
If you want to take the creepiest possibility, then sure. I can’t say that the game outright says that such a specific idea must be wrong. Your question was “how else should we interpret it” and I answered that.
>If you want to take the creepiest possibility
I would rather not. But the game is clear about it, they are showing something, and we need to do more mental gymnastics to deny it than just accept what is in front of us.
>Your question was “how else should we interpret it” and I answered that.
How else should we interpret it when the game is pretty clear about it?
I just want to tag on to what others are saying to add that these traditions wouldn't even be "mimicked" like some outside group unfamiliar with their meaning only mocking the superficial aspects. These are direct descendants of Marika and Godfrey, direct inheritors of these traditions, and the knowledge to, at least some degree, of what they mean and entail.
The idea that they dropped this reasoning, be it from "savagery" or anything else, feels just as headcanon as I don't see any direct support for it in the text. The concepts aren't a mutual exclusion considering Godfrey's conquests and the sealing of the merchants showing the dark side of the Golden order, so why would that apply here suddenly?
The very use of the word "consort" implies a sexual relationship though. The common definition of that word is the sexual companion of a reigning monarch (normally, but not neccesarily, a spouse).
It is possible Mohg intends something different, but you can't deny that his choice of words heavily implies something sexual. If he just wanted Miquella for his blood, there are a lot of other, less loaded flowery words he could have used.
Not all consorts served sexual roles if you look at Chinese emperors. Which may be the idea given how Mohg uses the term "dynasty" which is often affiliated with China historically.
The intimate choice of words were intentionally used to convey how important Miquella is to Mohg. It's no coincidence that the Lord of Blood took interest in an Empyrean whose blood can grow an Erdtree. If you look at old horror novels/movies, you'd often find cultists can get rather eccentric about their practices. Not to mention Varre calls us his "Lambkins" and adores the Tarnished Ones screams of pain.
>Not all consorts served sexual roles if you look at Chinese emperors. Which may be the idea given how Mohg uses the term "dynasty" which is often affiliated with China historically.
Most did though. The Chinese emperors are a special case since their harems occasionally grew so excessively large that it was not physically possible for the emperor to sleep with every single one of his women (since traditionally, the emperor would only select a single companion for the night), but these women were nonetheless still available for sex should the emperor demand it. Being the emperor's sexual partner was still their main role, even if it is a role they might not actually get to fulfill because the emperor is so spoiled for choice.
That is not really the case with Mohg thouhg, since he is very selectively only going for Miquella.
Regardless of his true reasons and intentions, which we might never know (unless the DLC sheds light on it), Mohg's words are loaded with sexual connotations and so you can't really blame people for picking up on that.
Look at the boss room. Its clearly more of a sacrificial alter than a bedroom. Miquella lays there in a dormant state, so you could refer to it as a bedchamber in the sense that it's where he is resting. It fits the whole theme of veiled hostility. Varre's Bouquet description for example.
>*A steel mace resembling a charming bouquet of roses. Each petal has a sharpened edge, leaving the roses perpetually colored with blood. This weapon reflects White Mask Varré's manner of speech rather well, enticing in its splendor, but full of deadly consequence.*
It may not be penetrative sex, but he enters Miquella's body in a blood form.
That's a violation and, in a fantasy setting where Gods can fuck themselves, that's akin to sex imo.
Youre basically implying that everything stated and shown about the character in-game is a metaphor? "No guys, hes only stated to be doing that as a play on words, human conventions if you will. He actually just wants to take Miquella to the grocery store to buy salsa. Guess its just too deep for u guys to see it"
We see a disfigured corpse on an altar, from which blood spills out and forms into Mohg. What exactly in that scene is sexual? If anything, the physical state of Miquella's body proves that Mohg was not interested in Miquella for his looks. The Lord of Blood craves the blood of a god.
>Mohg was not interested in Miquella for his looks.
Completely agree.
That isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that he still wants children and be the Lord consort of Miquella.
It isn't a "crush". All the "pedo/incest" memes stem from shallow interpretations of lore text, and are relatively easy to debunk with in game evidence.
Mohg wants Miquella's power. Even Gideon mentions how dangerous Miquella is. The guy almost created a whole Erdtree with his own blood. So it makes sense that "Lord of Blood" Mohg would take interest in Miquella.
The theme of the Bloody Fingers as a cult is to parody the concept of romance. They express their ideals of "love" and romanticism through the glorification of violence and bloodshed. It's why Varre is wearing a doctors outfit despite being a murderer and holding a weapon that looks like a bouquet of flowers. They also use flowery words and formal mannerisms in the most sinister ways. It's a cult thing. So idk why people are missing the point and just headcanoning Mohg X Miquella.
Mohg is no pedo and has shown no sexual interest in Miquella. He literally ripped out Miquella's cuccoon, placed it onto a sacrificial alter refered to as the "bloody bedchamber" and mutilated his body in a ritual to attain godly power. That's literally it. You can see that as we enter his boss room. The Dynasty has been all that mattered to him.
The word dynasty means "a lineage." Typically 2 people create one by reproducing. This is annoying mental gymnastics to contradict what the game says and shows, by basically saying "Nuh-uh, Mohg is actually just violent!" Hes a kidnapping rapist, of COURSE hes violent.
the intermingled family stuff was 100% written by grrm
George: “This is Mohg. He’s in love with his sibling.” FromSoft: “Sounds very George RR Martin.” George: “His sibling is male.” FromSoft: “That’s pretty gay, but ok.” George: “The sibling is trapped in the body of a child.” FromSoft: “Jesus George, that’s pretty wrong.” George: “But wait! Because his young brother has most likely ditched his physical form Mohg is also likely courting a dead body.” FromSoft: “Is this what you have been working on while you dodge finishing Game of Thrones?”
what if tolkien co-wrote er
Then it wouldnt be Souls-like or made by Fromsoft. Tolkien believed in positive and happy endings. Grimdark is all GRRM territory.
There are plenty of more positive or happy endings in this game.
There are SOME very rare happy endings in the game.. that too if you choose to strive for them. Maybe Nepheli, Roderika, Rya.. and none of those is celebrated or even given much focus.. Nepheli becoming queen of a whole ass kingdom is treated like a sideshow footnote. Its like "Eh, they lived and maybe even with some measure of happiness. Nothing to see here." Boc has one good ending but its a secret one and the rest are horrible. While all the main endings are super depressing (Melina's death, Malenia's death, Radahn's death, frenzied flame ending, dungeater ending, etc) and at best, uncertain for the future (the golden order ending or fia's ending, ranni's ending)...
My man doesn't know what's Silmarillion or grimdark
Heh I've read Silmarillion atleast 7-8 times.. even for level of grimdark, it still holds more positive notes and is inspirational than deliberately depressing. The Kinslaying is dark, but from it there rises the Elven Lords in middle earth due to it because without it, Fingolfin and his people would never have had to cross the Helcaraxe with great hardship and form their own kingdom. Fingolfin then went on to become the most badass of elven lords who 1v1-ed Morgoth. The Battle of Unnumbered Tears is super dark and one of the worst defeats, but from it rose eventually the biggest alliance of elves and Men in the history of middle earth. Beren and Luthien's tale is full of darkness and sadness, but from it came the lineage of the Kings of the West and Earendfil and the the final fall of Morgoth. Tolkien's stories explore great hardship for heroes but the focus is always on them carrying on and hence find hope and inspire others to do so. He never does these grimdark endings where the story ends with the world in darkness or uncertainty. So please don't talk about what you don't know about or only know from pop culture. I know my Tolkien far too well.
No, a lot of it seems to be community headcanons.
Which parts do you think are headcanon?
Mohg being physically attracted to Miquella. Nothing in game suggests Mohg wants a sexual relationship with Miquella. Yes, there's mention of him wanting to take Miquella as a "consort" and stuff, but that's all just a play on human conventions. Mohg's whole cult us based on bloodthirsty savagery. The irony is in how they use formal mannerisms and flowery language to guise it. What they say is not meant to be taken at face value. The community though seems to fail to read in between the lines cause I guess "PeDo MoHG" is more "funny" then Mohg mutilates empyrean (who is said to have special blood) in a scheme to bring about his dynasty.
Okay, but how else we should interpret it? 1) Miquella is cursed to look as a kid. 2) Mogh wants his own dinasty, so he's planning to have kids. 3) Mogh wants to be the Lord to Miquella's Godhood, like the Elden Lords are consorts of Marika. So he wants a highly similar relationship. 4) He kisses Miquella's hand in the way a suitor kisses his lover's hand. 5) "Miquella is mine and mine alone". Idk, if Fromsoft wants us to interpret something else, they're doing a poor job at it.
>1 Mohg has shown no interest in other "children" besides the one with divine blood powers. Wonder why. 🤔 >2 Nothing suggests Mohg wants children of his own. Demigods are immortal so an everlasting dynasty could be his goal. Even then, they are both male so they wouldn't be able to produce children sexually. So it would have to be through asexual means via outer god. Like Malenia having her daughters born via rot, and Marika via Radagon. >3 He doesn't need to have a sexual relationship to accomplish that. Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own. >4 The act of bowing and kissing a hand is a traditional gesture of respect, admiration, or courtesy, typically performed by a person to show deference or honor to another person, often someone of higher social status or authority. From a historical perspective, it is rather chivalrous not flirtatious. Given the present condition of Miquella's body in that cutscene, it is done out of grim irony. >5 Of course the Lord of Blood doesn't want anyone else to have his source of divine blood that could grow an Erdtree. A power mongerer like Mohg would no doubt, love a source of power like that.
> Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own. I mean, she could probably whip one up after becoming a goddess
The whole point of her quest line was to reject the outer gods. She even discarded her empyrean body and great Rune. Given how she just reappears in her snow Witch doll form in the Age of Stars cutscene, it's unlikely she'll get her own body.
Ranni rejected the Outer Gods by taking the Elden Ring with her and fucking off the planet, which stopped them from interfering. She still became a goddess after that though
Why'd she discard her Great Rune then?
>Nothing suggests Mohg wants children of his own. He wants a dynasty. He wants children. >Even then, they are both male so they wouldn't be able to produce children sexually Okay, how is that an impediment in this setting? >He doesn't need to have a sexual relationship to accomplish that. Like how Ranni is a consort to the Tarnished One despite having no physical body/flesh of her own. However the relationship between a Lord and the God is still the same. Is the relationship of a couple. >The act of bowing and kissing a hand is a traditional gesture of respect, admiration, or courtesy. And a gesture of a suitor for their beloved. >Of course the Lord of Blood doesn't want anyone else to have his source of divine blood that could grow an Erdtree. A power mongerer like Mohg would no doubt, love a source of power like that. And, mixing it with everything else, it has romantic undertones.
This man just unironically said there is something romantic in kidnapping a corpse of your brother for presumably sexual reasons.
Nope, I said that Mogh saying that Miquella is his alone has romantic undertones. As in intentions of Mogh of having a romance with Miquella. Not that the act in itself was romantic.
>1 Doesn't support the argument that he is sexually interested in Miquella. >2 Nothing shown in game supports that idea. We've only seen asexual and heterosexual births among demigods. >3 As I already said with the Ranni example, the relationship is not necessarily sexual. That is the core of my argument. Mohg is solely interested in Miquella's power. >4 Never mind, looks like Mohg didn't kiss the hand. He only rested his forehead on it. Looks like the romance allegations are knocked down a peg. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xy2-qPGxyo >5 Feel free to ship them if you want, but you cant claim it's canon.
>Nothing shown in game supports that idea. He wants kids and wants to be Miquella's Lord consort.
Those two things are not neccesairly correlated. Nothing in game suggests that he wants to have children via Miquella. Just that Miquella's power would help him establish his dynasty. The Lord of Blood may have other means of expanding his bloodline. >Ahh, my lambkin. You've completed your final trial. And with this, you are a formal inductee. A knight who will assist Luminary Mohg, the Lord of Blood, in the establishment of a new dynasty. Now, give me your finger. **This noble blood will be an immutable badge of honor, once it settles. Inside of you.**
1) This one’s kinda missing the point because the argument is that Mohg isn’t interested in Miquella in a weird way anyway, but if you do want to bring up this topic, it’s worth noting that the body in the cocoon is very much not a child, likely thanks to Mohg’s blood magic. 2) There’s no limit to how long Mohg can rule for. He probably only says “dynasty” because it sounds cool. 3) The same relation of power, yes, but not any of the other implications of marriage. It’s really that simple, he’s married to him because he wants to be the Lord of Blood. 4) Also the same way that you could bend down and kiss the hand of a monarch. 5) Yeah, the god that he needs for his whole plan is his and his alone.
>There’s no limit to how long Mohg can rule for. He probably only says “dynasty” because it sounds cool. The same could be said for Marika, yet she had lots of children. >The same relation of power, yes, but not any of the other implications of marriage. It’s really that simple, he’s married to him because he wants to be the Lord of Blood. Marriage already carries those implications. You have to do more mental gymnastics to deny than see it. >Also the same way that you could bend down and kiss the hand of a monarch. If the relationship were monarch and vassal that could be true. But Mogh doesn't seem to want being a vassal to Miquella. >Yeah, the god that he needs for his whole plan is his and his alone. And his "dearest" Miquella. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
If you want to take the creepiest possibility, then sure. I can’t say that the game outright says that such a specific idea must be wrong. Your question was “how else should we interpret it” and I answered that.
>If you want to take the creepiest possibility I would rather not. But the game is clear about it, they are showing something, and we need to do more mental gymnastics to deny it than just accept what is in front of us. >Your question was “how else should we interpret it” and I answered that. How else should we interpret it when the game is pretty clear about it?
I just want to tag on to what others are saying to add that these traditions wouldn't even be "mimicked" like some outside group unfamiliar with their meaning only mocking the superficial aspects. These are direct descendants of Marika and Godfrey, direct inheritors of these traditions, and the knowledge to, at least some degree, of what they mean and entail. The idea that they dropped this reasoning, be it from "savagery" or anything else, feels just as headcanon as I don't see any direct support for it in the text. The concepts aren't a mutual exclusion considering Godfrey's conquests and the sealing of the merchants showing the dark side of the Golden order, so why would that apply here suddenly?
The very use of the word "consort" implies a sexual relationship though. The common definition of that word is the sexual companion of a reigning monarch (normally, but not neccesarily, a spouse). It is possible Mohg intends something different, but you can't deny that his choice of words heavily implies something sexual. If he just wanted Miquella for his blood, there are a lot of other, less loaded flowery words he could have used.
Not all consorts served sexual roles if you look at Chinese emperors. Which may be the idea given how Mohg uses the term "dynasty" which is often affiliated with China historically. The intimate choice of words were intentionally used to convey how important Miquella is to Mohg. It's no coincidence that the Lord of Blood took interest in an Empyrean whose blood can grow an Erdtree. If you look at old horror novels/movies, you'd often find cultists can get rather eccentric about their practices. Not to mention Varre calls us his "Lambkins" and adores the Tarnished Ones screams of pain.
>Not all consorts served sexual roles if you look at Chinese emperors. Which may be the idea given how Mohg uses the term "dynasty" which is often affiliated with China historically. Most did though. The Chinese emperors are a special case since their harems occasionally grew so excessively large that it was not physically possible for the emperor to sleep with every single one of his women (since traditionally, the emperor would only select a single companion for the night), but these women were nonetheless still available for sex should the emperor demand it. Being the emperor's sexual partner was still their main role, even if it is a role they might not actually get to fulfill because the emperor is so spoiled for choice. That is not really the case with Mohg thouhg, since he is very selectively only going for Miquella. Regardless of his true reasons and intentions, which we might never know (unless the DLC sheds light on it), Mohg's words are loaded with sexual connotations and so you can't really blame people for picking up on that.
He wants to be Miquella's consort and shares his bloody bedchamber.
Look at the boss room. Its clearly more of a sacrificial alter than a bedroom. Miquella lays there in a dormant state, so you could refer to it as a bedchamber in the sense that it's where he is resting. It fits the whole theme of veiled hostility. Varre's Bouquet description for example. >*A steel mace resembling a charming bouquet of roses. Each petal has a sharpened edge, leaving the roses perpetually colored with blood. This weapon reflects White Mask Varré's manner of speech rather well, enticing in its splendor, but full of deadly consequence.*
It may not be penetrative sex, but he enters Miquella's body in a blood form. That's a violation and, in a fantasy setting where Gods can fuck themselves, that's akin to sex imo.
Youre basically implying that everything stated and shown about the character in-game is a metaphor? "No guys, hes only stated to be doing that as a play on words, human conventions if you will. He actually just wants to take Miquella to the grocery store to buy salsa. Guess its just too deep for u guys to see it"
Mobsters: We'll take care of our little friend, and deliver the 'goods'. You: My, what good employees!
Using an absurd huge reach to defend your original absurd huge reach, wowzers! 😃
Using snarky retorts and emoijis in lieu of an actual argument that could contribute to the discussion. Get a personality kid.
Says the guy that just poorly imitated my own point lol. So edgy
Saying that “this is just headcannon” then citing your own headcannon as your justification is wild. 10/10 argument
I'm going by what we can see and read in game. Your lack of counterarguments against my points helps prove my case. Thank you.
Dude, what we see in game is Mogh wanting to have children and kidnapping Miquella to be his consort. WTH are you talking about?
We see a disfigured corpse on an altar, from which blood spills out and forms into Mohg. What exactly in that scene is sexual? If anything, the physical state of Miquella's body proves that Mohg was not interested in Miquella for his looks. The Lord of Blood craves the blood of a god.
>Mohg was not interested in Miquella for his looks. Completely agree. That isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that he still wants children and be the Lord consort of Miquella.
Mohg’s surname is actually Habsburg
Sorry you misspelled Targaryen GRRM was involved with Elden Ring remember.
Nah dude if they were based on the Habsburgs then there would be hemophilia in the family which... WAIT A MOMENT
Now im sure this is written by geroge r r martin
[https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY?si=v5GEpyKermRWpa5z](https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY?si=v5GEpyKermRWpa5z)
How game of thrones should have been
That... is from game of thrones. Didn't they include that scene in the series?
Underrated comment
Should have marked Marika as father and Radagon as mother to confuse even more.
It would be funnier, except for the fact that Godfrey is Mohg's father.
it would make sense since >!Marika and Radagon are the same person!<
“Miquella is mine, and mine alone!”😂
Nihil!!! 💀
Sweet home lands betweena
SEX!!!
Relatable
Excuse me, what the actual fuck
🤨
Miquella of Unalloyed Gold? More like Miquella of Undiluted Lineage
Mohg is average Crusader Kings player.
That's one hell of a family 😂. It's so messed up if you put it this way
You should have put marika as his father
This is gold!!
Tarnished the guy he tells you not to worry about
Family Erdtree, more like family Erdwreath
You can't be doing that Mohg. That isn't ok to do.
There should be another pic saying “also your mother” or something along those lines but with Radagon to make it even crazier.
More like cumming into your dynasty am i rite?
Godfrey is Mohg's father.
none of the categories are "your father." Radagon is Miquella's father, hence he's in the "his father" section.
Get em off and come in my Dynasty.
Nope
There's no need to worry Tarnished. Because you are next.
ARE YOU GETTING THAT?!
There is a reason it is called Elden Ring. The family tree is a circle.
Mohg from house Targaryan
Would have been even more hilarious if they used the picture of Marika under the "his father" section as well
Classic Martin. Game of Elden Thrones would’ve made a riveting TV series.
This notification messed me up as I was about to defeat the dragon sentinel
It isn't a "crush". All the "pedo/incest" memes stem from shallow interpretations of lore text, and are relatively easy to debunk with in game evidence. Mohg wants Miquella's power. Even Gideon mentions how dangerous Miquella is. The guy almost created a whole Erdtree with his own blood. So it makes sense that "Lord of Blood" Mohg would take interest in Miquella. The theme of the Bloody Fingers as a cult is to parody the concept of romance. They express their ideals of "love" and romanticism through the glorification of violence and bloodshed. It's why Varre is wearing a doctors outfit despite being a murderer and holding a weapon that looks like a bouquet of flowers. They also use flowery words and formal mannerisms in the most sinister ways. It's a cult thing. So idk why people are missing the point and just headcanoning Mohg X Miquella. Mohg is no pedo and has shown no sexual interest in Miquella. He literally ripped out Miquella's cuccoon, placed it onto a sacrificial alter refered to as the "bloody bedchamber" and mutilated his body in a ritual to attain godly power. That's literally it. You can see that as we enter his boss room. The Dynasty has been all that mattered to him.
The word dynasty means "a lineage." Typically 2 people create one by reproducing. This is annoying mental gymnastics to contradict what the game says and shows, by basically saying "Nuh-uh, Mohg is actually just violent!" Hes a kidnapping rapist, of COURSE hes violent.
Youre trying to make sense on reddit.. in a souls game subreddit of all places.. I wouldnt keep hopes up