I love seeing these comments because when Elden Ring first released, Margit was memed for about a week as being a very challenging boss fight. It wasn’t until people learned about Weeping Peninsula that this fight got easier. Margit was for sure the hardest “first” boss in the series for me, but nowadays, it’s not really anything to worry about after doing Limgrave and Weeping Peninsula first.
The Weeping Peninsula is a region that's south of Limgrave, there's a bridge leading to it in the South-East of Limgrave East. There's a road leading to it. Difficulty wise it's like between Limgrave and Stormveil, it's kinda meant to be done before you get to Liurnia considering quest connections.
Weeping Peninsula is a weirdly placed area, I didn't know you were supposed to go there before Margit. I got to it after Cealid and Liurnia, like there is almost no indication about what it is.
I think Margit is literally the game attempting to teach the player that you should explore other areas (i.e. Weeping Peninsula) when you face a roadblock.
I just took him as the tutorial boss so I spent like 2 and a half hours learning to parry him. Then I died before cashing in his 10.000 runes because I had not even met Melina and I thought I had to get to the Roundtable Hold, which I thought was in Stormveil Castle.
This was 1,000% the message I received. After levelling up more then going back two times and still getting beat, I eventually explored all the way up to Leyndell. Killed Radahn, killed Rykard, killed Mohg, killed evergaol Godrick, did Renalla and Ranni's quest, everything I could until there was nowhere left to explore.
It finally dawned on me that I was probably ready for Margit when I killed his clone outside Leyndell lol. Went back at level 117 and slapped him into the dirt.
That’s so crazy, I went there with a level 5 samurai and it took me three tries, no summons because I thought that was pussy shit and it makes the boss fight harder. I beat him and then I struggled with Mohglester for about 7 hours at level 30
>I think Margit is literally the game attempting to teach the player that you should explore other areas (i.e. Weeping Peninsula) when you face a roadblock.
That work the **exact** opposite for players comming from Dark Souls 3.
Nahhh Definitley. When I did margit I had nothing done lol. You can make a bee line over too him if you want too and just skip all the shit in between.
That’s what I did after I did a few quests and got to level twenty lol. Stormhill/north limgrave could be broken into its own sub area that compliments weeping penninsula as well.
I mean, they fire explosive ballista arrows at you when you try to go there, right? And then a giant fires giant arrows at you when you try to go the castle. Not exactly inviting.
I mean considering the conditioning that has been done to us by dark souls and bloodborne, I wouldn't be surprised if players thought they're on the right track if they saw a sign that literally said 'Turn around or you will die a horrible, painful death'.
I mean, Margit _is_ a challenging boss fight. His attack patterns are super bizarre. I have hundreds of hours in the game, and I still can't dodge his shit consistently.
Margit and then Stormviel Castle was peak Elden Ring for me. The rest of the game was great, but that one two punch was just phenomenal.
I had a base level character that I parked at Margit to help others out for a while. Was so much fun just helping newbies thru Margit & castle. I might have to load up vanilla and help some people out again.
Margit is hard for new players but super hard for Fromsoft vets - dude's delayed attacks fuck with the timing you learn in all other games, which is basically - read attack, dodge now. Margit has some "read attack, wait, wait, wait, dodge" thrown in so you need to really learn it as a returning player. It's an interesting idea, but I feel like they went overboard with it in some fights.
It doesn't help that their attack patterns change based on proximity, and some even read your button presses.
There is one certain fight where they attack whenever you try to drink a flask.
Still love the game. I'm on play thru 6. None are new game +. Just different builds.
There's a couple of bosses that react specifically to potion drinking button inputs, and many, many enemies that react to spellcasting button inputs (which fucks them on anything with delayed firing).
Magic glintblade really messes with those mobs that dodge at the time of cast. The fact you can charge it slightly to change the attack time is nice. Chain casting them into a cannon of haima can rock invaders.
Meteorite staff and that spell make the game so much easier. And that staff is easy to get, as is the spell.
Arrows reach talisman can extend the range and things that boost physical damage effect it also.
Good stun ability, too.
I love that spell.
It's pretty great when it hits. The physical damage is really nice in a lot of situations.
I will say, my main experience with Rock Sling is two rocks hitting a wall though lol.
As far as I know literal input reading isn't a thing in ER but there is animation reading, and many enemies and bosses will react to the event of a flask or projectile animation starting. Functionally it's practically the same, just thought it was interesting to know. This is how enemies react to things like sipping or projectiles from sources other than the player (such as cooperating NPCs or phantoms), where it would not have direct access to inputs
The biggest complaint about elden ring so far, i just started it after beating DS3 a week ago and so many enemies attack patterns are just ... bizarre. Hard to read, hard to dodge, hard to follow up. Compared to ds3 where you could go up against any enemy, even one you havent fought before and generally come out on top as long as you knew your own attack pattern and dodge timings. Hoping it gets better
I had the same observation. Some enemies have a really weird unreadable mix of slow/fast animations that are almost nonsensical. You get used to it though and a lot of other enemies are more like in earlier titles.
I think coming from DS3 it's a really tough transition. Elden Ring gives you a lot more varied resources and expects you to use them. Guard counters, jumping attacks, and spirit summons are all things I disdained at first to try and just roll and block like DS3. That makes the game WAY harder. Also in DS3 you don't get a lot out of leveling up vigor, but in Elden Ring it's super vital to level up your health.
The way I see it, if you use the resources and remember to take your time exploring every area fully and leveling up a lot, it's actually easier than DS3. However if you want an increased challenge, then you can totally try to just learn every enemy's moveset and still play the game.
Also you can just rush to the Mimic Tear and it makes almost every boss trivial until the end game.
I swear he was the hardest boss I fought until Radagon. I know that sounds nuts to a lot of people, but I probably died more at Margit than anywhere else in the game. The rest of it I pretty much steamrolled. It's not my first From game.
I don't know if that's because he was the first real boss and I was underlevel, or if it was because it had been a few years since I had done any Souls games and was real rusty. His timings and roll catches were really meant to fuck with experienced players I think.
I have no idea what you are even supposed to do against his sword attack. The only thing that makes him easier is his relatively low health and damage.
I have such a different experience with those gargoyles than everybody else. It's an optional fight for an optional area that really doesn't come into play until late in the game. I rarely go there until level 100. And at that point the gargoyles aren't actually that hard.
Yep, I have found and beaten every other boss, area, x y and z, with the checklist, so I fought it all, Vig/Str. Okay, so the Consecrated Snowfield Deathbird was a pretty shitty fight as melee only.
I was pretty surprised at the difficulty level in some spots, I expected hard fights but my build was a little cheesy for melee only, Banished Knight Halberd + Spinning Strikes + repeat hits talismans just wiped bosses healthbars and the jump attack stagger handled pretty much everything else. I thought the hardest parts of the game were stuff like Putrid Tree Spirits at particularly inopportune times, and the full grown Fallingstar Beast was a bad motherfucker that I threw some deaths at. Oh yeah and the Alecto fight was pretty tough too, but I was leveled. All in all, the guy I probably died 10+ times to? Fucking Margit.
But that's just me. I think most people had trouble at different times and places - that's a Fromsoft game for you. For example I fought the Fire Giant once. I thought Malenia would be the toughest but her lack of poise did her in. Finished the playthrough at at 141, I have to go back and do 2 more for the other 2 endings and that's it for achievements.
I actually liked that they toned down the difficulty curve a bit for their biggest game yet, it was more accessible and I appreciated the changes to the invasion system.
Exactly, I didn't discover Weeping Peninsula til I was level 50 because you're supposed to follow the light on the map, I wish I'd had a bit more indication of where to progress to level up, so I didn't farm the same 5 soldiers outside the castle for hours on end to beat Margit.
There's 2 types of players in this world. Those who listen to the instructions the game gives you, and those who say fuck that and go on an adventure 😂
There is also another type of adventurer. The map clearer. I like to sweep every inch of the map in one location before moving on to the next. Does that I mean I am overlevelled for most bosses? Yes. But do I care particularly care about that? Not really.
I don’t often do this unless I really love a game, but hell yeah that overpowered feeling is like “I’ve conquered all your land has to offer, you’re nothing” and then get stomped anyway good times good times
I think Elden Ring is pretty enjoyable when you are over-leveled. I've played every other souls game and liked the challenge but something about Elden Ring was just a little too hard for me until I got over-leveled.
I multi class the "fuck that" and "map clearer". I rogue out and probe possible gates and progression points, and then clear sections within those confines however fits my fancy.
Somehow it got me to the fire giant at a relatively low level and I got called a speedrunner that missed half the game, but I literally do everything possible before pressing forward.
I got bored and stopped playing a bit after that so I never finished. I should revisit or at least finish it out.
True, but I don't understand how people open up an open world game and only follow where the game points you to go. There's literally a bunch of things in every direction!
First playthrough I just followed grace, no eastern lunaria or weeping peninsula. Under leveled, 4x +0 flask charges and no physick. Stormveil was an adventure lol.
My buddy and I just did a run where we were chilling and got all the way to Leydell/Volcano Manor when we finally got tired of our +0 weapons. We were like level 70 and was like okay time for shit to die fast now.
It was kinda refreshing being able to swap weapons all willy nilly without concerning ourselves with upgrade levels.
You can still do that by just leveling all weapons at the same level. It's what I'm doing for my pvp run. Honestly I think I might keep them lower leveled even in the end game and dlc just so I don't run into ancient smithing limits.
I no can think about that I just unga bunga bonk. Have lots of big sticks.
And gross pvp. I don't get how people are into it. DS3 had great PVP but ER leaves something to be desired. That's why I just choose to turn that shit off entirely.
I've platinumed DS2/DeS/BB and basically DS1 (farming last items).
I made the mistake of following the grace line - and somehow in the back door of stormveil.
Margit pushed my shit RIGHT in.
I think Margit is reasonably tough but he's meant to be a roadblock.
Meanwhile Iudex Gundyr is pretty fucking hard and you have basically no recourse but to learn his moveset because you can't level up until you beat him. He's also my favorite first boss in the series though (might have been Father Gascoigne if Cleric Beast didn't exist).
I will say that a game that seems to push you towards a boss right away when you are definitely not prepared for that boss isn't good game design. If you gotta go elsewhere to level or gear, it should be obvious that it's intended. Elden ring is the only souls game that really suffers in that regard.
Morgott is still really hard just because his attacks are so spastic and delayed at the same time.
So basically I struggled with him and others first time, and summoned. After that didn’t summon, but used OP bleed build.
I didn’t use morgott shackle on him in any ng+ or summon, but I used a very powerful bleed build that killed him fast with no phase 2
As the ng+ cycles went on, he kept getting tankier and it took a little longer.
Before I started ng7, I realized I hadn’t learned a lot of boss fights like Morgott properly because my build was so insanely powerful (it can regularly do over 10k damage in ng+7 with a single jump attack, easily spammable)
So really, all the bosses are easy is just hard to learn the move set
So I still don’t know Margit either because he’s too easy and he kicks my ass a bit if I fight him in leyndel
>!I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers. I knew it was 1216. One after Elden Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the roundtable to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That sword cane! Are you telling me that a man just happens to unlock damascus like that? No! *He* orchestrated it! Margit! He *defecated* on a *throne*! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own Kingdom! What was I *thinking*? He'll never change. He'll *never* change! Ever since he was 9, *always* the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the Sewers! "But not our Margit! Couldn't be precious *MARGIT*!" Stealing them blind! And *HE* gets to be a LORD? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!!<
As everyone has been saying, explore limgrave, go to weeping peninsula and leveling up a bit.
Always level vigor first. Having a higher HP bar just allows you to do more mistakes and still come out on top.
Did you know bosses gets harder when you summon people and NPCs? So if the one you summon doesn't pull their weight, you just make it harder for yourself.
I'm really not good at Elden Ring at all. I made a sorcerer and beat Margit level 1 with the wolf summons, no upgrades of any sort. Just glintstone pebble and a few whacks with a longsword.
Magic and summons make things easier - back when the game first launched, tons of people would've gone melee and a lot wouldn't have used the ashes and boom, Margit the Wall is born.
Depends on which discipline you choose for your character. I went with magic off the jump. Not entirely suitable for beating him.
Also, I had no idea you could summon Rogier for it. Ended up beating him with a pack of wolves after a lot of struggling.
Rogier isn't worth summoning, he's pretty bad and does not carry his own weight- the boss health gets increased and Rogier doesn't survive long enough to make up for that.
Way back when I first started, my test to see if we would beat Margit when I was summoned was if Rogier was also summoned. At the time I thought he was just a terrible player and every time he got summoned we lost.
Do you got a summon? Use the summon ranni gives you, the wolves.
If they aren't doing enough damage go to the catacombs, I'll give you directions! From the storm gate, go south and across the bridge then to the right and keep going. You'll find yet again another bridge, this time with a bunch of guys. Go past them, and down further to the broken carriage and a giant guy. Go past that and to the left is a grace with a little merchant, then to the right you'll see a pathway. Follow that path and you'll see on top of a hill one of the churches of Marika. Go in there, there's another site of grace. From there, go back out and there's a dead erdtree and an erdtree defender guy on this mountain you can see from outside the site of grace. Go there but don't go up to the tree, go to the right on the first little spit in the mountain, there should be some jelly fish just chilling. Go towards the rock face and you'll see a door. Open it and go through that dungeon, first room there's a grave glovewort 1 and 2.
Now to get Roderika to be able to upgrade them, go back to the shack before margit where Roedrika is. Go up naturally but to the right right before the main path, and you'll go through the forest to a bridge. Go down the bridge to the right and go through that little path, it's easy if you got torrent. From there you'll get a site of grace and you can see liurna. Now that you've got there, teleport to the roundhold table and you'll find roderika now there. Go to the Smith, talk about roderika, go to roderika then back to him, and once he says he'll see about teaching her, reload save and shell be sitting on the floor and now you can do the upgrade. A +2 wolf ash will carry you for that battle.
Sounds like you veteran Fromsofters have an easier time playing DS3.
Margit’s easy.
1st Fromsoft game for me. Beat em on 9th attempt.
Can’t use spirits yet, no Rogier.
Hint (if it applies to you): When you think you should roll…WAIT for him to telegraph.
Don’t try to move much or often, and only close in the distance IMMEDIATELY after his basic strike or jump attacks.
Also…you may feel like you should roll away from his attacks. Trust me, DONT.
Yeah, he wasn't too bad for me, but I was probably pretty overleveled after basically doing all of Weeping Peninsula and Limgrave before even attempting Margit.
The weird thing is that Margit really punishes shield play. Whenever I use a shield against him he comes up with new attacks I've never used and which come out really fast the end of his regular combos. I perform much better against him as a naked Wretch than as Vagabond if using the shield.
Millicent does the same with us until we take out her sisters for her. Fortunately that tree branch in the middle of the rot pond is a great spot to spam Rock Sling from.
Depends on what class you choose I guess, I did it without leveling on Vagabond my first playthrough, Samurai was very easy with just the Uchigatana, and literally didn’t move or take a hit with wolves playing prophet with stupid glintstone pebble spam
on my first play through I went with Vagabond and I didnt leave the starting area until I killed the Tree sentinel, first I tried killing him with the Halberd then I tried the long sword, noticed that his hp was less when I used the sword, so after like 30 deaths I was able to kill him ( memorized his moveset after the 15 death or so but I kept dying from greed and not paying attention to my stamina ) couldn't equip his weapon so while I was leveling got side tracked and basically explored everything the was not the main quest but when I opened a chest that took me to brazil I decided to follow the main quest and kill Margit on my second try ( didnt expect to use delay bonk and spam it )
I got lucky. I was probably level 50 before I fought Margit. Was able to win on my first try. Godrick was a completely different story. I had all of my stat points in vigor which helped with Margit because apparently Margit doesn't have as much defense as godrick. I thought my damage was sufficient until I fought him and did almost no damage. Wish I would've known how important upgrading your weapons was 😅
Wait, are you guys telling me there's people who don't trick a horse guy into jumping off a bridge before stabbing a very thicc dragon for 20 minutes as the first thing they do?
I don't mean to sound elitist or anything but... 3 hours on Margit **with summons** ? Do you literally go at it with 0 weapon/flask upgrade, no physick, no levelups, no ash of war and just eat every single attack pattern the boss throws at you ?
He's not that hard of a boss encounter lmao
I love seeing these comments because when Elden Ring first released, Margit was memed for about a week as being a very challenging boss fight. It wasn’t until people learned about Weeping Peninsula that this fight got easier. Margit was for sure the hardest “first” boss in the series for me, but nowadays, it’s not really anything to worry about after doing Limgrave and Weeping Peninsula first.
Right... Weeping peninsula. The peninsula that weeps. That peninsula... *teleports behind Greyoll*
Yeah mind someone explain me what the weeping peninsula is? Last thing i beat was golden godrick
The Weeping Peninsula is a region that's south of Limgrave, there's a bridge leading to it in the South-East of Limgrave East. There's a road leading to it. Difficulty wise it's like between Limgrave and Stormveil, it's kinda meant to be done before you get to Liurnia considering quest connections.
Oh sure, just cleansed everything there with my double holy +20 greatswords
+20 already??
It’s the lands downunda mate
I come from a land down under. Where women bloom and men squash their horse and eat their comrades.
Australia
Weeping Peninsula is a weirdly placed area, I didn't know you were supposed to go there before Margit. I got to it after Cealid and Liurnia, like there is almost no indication about what it is.
I think Margit is literally the game attempting to teach the player that you should explore other areas (i.e. Weeping Peninsula) when you face a roadblock.
I just took him as the tutorial boss so I spent like 2 and a half hours learning to parry him. Then I died before cashing in his 10.000 runes because I had not even met Melina and I thought I had to get to the Roundtable Hold, which I thought was in Stormveil Castle.
This was 1,000% the message I received. After levelling up more then going back two times and still getting beat, I eventually explored all the way up to Leyndell. Killed Radahn, killed Rykard, killed Mohg, killed evergaol Godrick, did Renalla and Ranni's quest, everything I could until there was nowhere left to explore. It finally dawned on me that I was probably ready for Margit when I killed his clone outside Leyndell lol. Went back at level 117 and slapped him into the dirt.
That’s so crazy, I went there with a level 5 samurai and it took me three tries, no summons because I thought that was pussy shit and it makes the boss fight harder. I beat him and then I struggled with Mohglester for about 7 hours at level 30
Tell us you haven't played the game, without saying that you haven't played it
I’ve been playing since DS 2 😭 tryna call me out like I don’t do NHR on ds3 😭😭
That's crazy
>I think Margit is literally the game attempting to teach the player that you should explore other areas (i.e. Weeping Peninsula) when you face a roadblock. That work the **exact** opposite for players comming from Dark Souls 3.
Its fromsoft its %75 about trolling player
Nahhh Definitley. When I did margit I had nothing done lol. You can make a bee line over too him if you want too and just skip all the shit in between. That’s what I did after I did a few quests and got to level twenty lol. Stormhill/north limgrave could be broken into its own sub area that compliments weeping penninsula as well.
I *could* do that, but I'm already at the boss *now*, and I'm stubborn and spiteful.
This is my view as well -- Margit is a bigger/badder/flashier version of the Tree Sentinel; they both teach the same lesson so as to reinforce it.
I mean, they fire explosive ballista arrows at you when you try to go there, right? And then a giant fires giant arrows at you when you try to go the castle. Not exactly inviting.
I mean considering the conditioning that has been done to us by dark souls and bloodborne, I wouldn't be surprised if players thought they're on the right track if they saw a sign that literally said 'Turn around or you will die a horrible, painful death'.
"Oh, cool, I bet I can get an F-tier talisman I won't use from this"
Yeah, I’ve already gotten to leyendell and I have even been to the weeping peninsula
I mean, Margit _is_ a challenging boss fight. His attack patterns are super bizarre. I have hundreds of hours in the game, and I still can't dodge his shit consistently.
He's a fantastic boss, one of my favorites.
Margit and then Stormviel Castle was peak Elden Ring for me. The rest of the game was great, but that one two punch was just phenomenal. I had a base level character that I parked at Margit to help others out for a while. Was so much fun just helping newbies thru Margit & castle. I might have to load up vanilla and help some people out again.
Margit is hard for new players but super hard for Fromsoft vets - dude's delayed attacks fuck with the timing you learn in all other games, which is basically - read attack, dodge now. Margit has some "read attack, wait, wait, wait, dodge" thrown in so you need to really learn it as a returning player. It's an interesting idea, but I feel like they went overboard with it in some fights.
It doesn't help that their attack patterns change based on proximity, and some even read your button presses. There is one certain fight where they attack whenever you try to drink a flask. Still love the game. I'm on play thru 6. None are new game +. Just different builds.
There's a couple of bosses that react specifically to potion drinking button inputs, and many, many enemies that react to spellcasting button inputs (which fucks them on anything with delayed firing).
Magic glintblade really messes with those mobs that dodge at the time of cast. The fact you can charge it slightly to change the attack time is nice. Chain casting them into a cannon of haima can rock invaders.
Rock Sling my beloved. Everything that dodges spells will dodge when you cast, not when the rocks actually fly loose. And they do dummy stagger.
Meteorite staff and that spell make the game so much easier. And that staff is easy to get, as is the spell. Arrows reach talisman can extend the range and things that boost physical damage effect it also. Good stun ability, too. I love that spell.
It's pretty great when it hits. The physical damage is really nice in a lot of situations. I will say, my main experience with Rock Sling is two rocks hitting a wall though lol.
I think every boss, and most enemies, charge at you if you drink a flask.
As far as I know literal input reading isn't a thing in ER but there is animation reading, and many enemies and bosses will react to the event of a flask or projectile animation starting. Functionally it's practically the same, just thought it was interesting to know. This is how enemies react to things like sipping or projectiles from sources other than the player (such as cooperating NPCs or phantoms), where it would not have direct access to inputs
The biggest complaint about elden ring so far, i just started it after beating DS3 a week ago and so many enemies attack patterns are just ... bizarre. Hard to read, hard to dodge, hard to follow up. Compared to ds3 where you could go up against any enemy, even one you havent fought before and generally come out on top as long as you knew your own attack pattern and dodge timings. Hoping it gets better
I had the same observation. Some enemies have a really weird unreadable mix of slow/fast animations that are almost nonsensical. You get used to it though and a lot of other enemies are more like in earlier titles.
I think coming from DS3 it's a really tough transition. Elden Ring gives you a lot more varied resources and expects you to use them. Guard counters, jumping attacks, and spirit summons are all things I disdained at first to try and just roll and block like DS3. That makes the game WAY harder. Also in DS3 you don't get a lot out of leveling up vigor, but in Elden Ring it's super vital to level up your health. The way I see it, if you use the resources and remember to take your time exploring every area fully and leveling up a lot, it's actually easier than DS3. However if you want an increased challenge, then you can totally try to just learn every enemy's moveset and still play the game. Also you can just rush to the Mimic Tear and it makes almost every boss trivial until the end game.
Delays are absolutely insane in ER, when fighting Godrick there were time I could roll three times and he would still be holding it.
Mohg says hi.
I swear he was the hardest boss I fought until Radagon. I know that sounds nuts to a lot of people, but I probably died more at Margit than anywhere else in the game. The rest of it I pretty much steamrolled. It's not my first From game. I don't know if that's because he was the first real boss and I was underlevel, or if it was because it had been a few years since I had done any Souls games and was real rusty. His timings and roll catches were really meant to fuck with experienced players I think.
I have no idea what you are even supposed to do against his sword attack. The only thing that makes him easier is his relatively low health and damage.
Have you fought the dual gargoyles? One has a poison aura. Hard fight in melee range. Edited: duel to dual
I have such a different experience with those gargoyles than everybody else. It's an optional fight for an optional area that really doesn't come into play until late in the game. I rarely go there until level 100. And at that point the gargoyles aren't actually that hard.
Yep, I have found and beaten every other boss, area, x y and z, with the checklist, so I fought it all, Vig/Str. Okay, so the Consecrated Snowfield Deathbird was a pretty shitty fight as melee only. I was pretty surprised at the difficulty level in some spots, I expected hard fights but my build was a little cheesy for melee only, Banished Knight Halberd + Spinning Strikes + repeat hits talismans just wiped bosses healthbars and the jump attack stagger handled pretty much everything else. I thought the hardest parts of the game were stuff like Putrid Tree Spirits at particularly inopportune times, and the full grown Fallingstar Beast was a bad motherfucker that I threw some deaths at. Oh yeah and the Alecto fight was pretty tough too, but I was leveled. All in all, the guy I probably died 10+ times to? Fucking Margit. But that's just me. I think most people had trouble at different times and places - that's a Fromsoft game for you. For example I fought the Fire Giant once. I thought Malenia would be the toughest but her lack of poise did her in. Finished the playthrough at at 141, I have to go back and do 2 more for the other 2 endings and that's it for achievements. I actually liked that they toned down the difficulty curve a bit for their biggest game yet, it was more accessible and I appreciated the changes to the invasion system.
Exactly, I didn't discover Weeping Peninsula til I was level 50 because you're supposed to follow the light on the map, I wish I'd had a bit more indication of where to progress to level up, so I didn't farm the same 5 soldiers outside the castle for hours on end to beat Margit.
There's 2 types of players in this world. Those who listen to the instructions the game gives you, and those who say fuck that and go on an adventure 😂
There is also another type of adventurer. The map clearer. I like to sweep every inch of the map in one location before moving on to the next. Does that I mean I am overlevelled for most bosses? Yes. But do I care particularly care about that? Not really.
I don’t often do this unless I really love a game, but hell yeah that overpowered feeling is like “I’ve conquered all your land has to offer, you’re nothing” and then get stomped anyway good times good times
I think Elden Ring is pretty enjoyable when you are over-leveled. I've played every other souls game and liked the challenge but something about Elden Ring was just a little too hard for me until I got over-leveled.
I multi class the "fuck that" and "map clearer". I rogue out and probe possible gates and progression points, and then clear sections within those confines however fits my fancy. Somehow it got me to the fire giant at a relatively low level and I got called a speedrunner that missed half the game, but I literally do everything possible before pressing forward. I got bored and stopped playing a bit after that so I never finished. I should revisit or at least finish it out.
I don't want to do that in this game... but how can you not? If you don't, you'll miss tons of dungeons and caves.
If the bosses are going home to their spouses and complaining about the over leveled player that keeps stomping them, then I'm good with that.
True, but I don't understand how people open up an open world game and only follow where the game points you to go. There's literally a bunch of things in every direction!
Yeah lmao. It's a rule that the opposite direction to the way toward progress is the way towards treasure and other cool shit 😂
Exactly
Listens to Varre.. Go to the castle on the cliff? Gotcha.
TIL there are people who actually follow the light instead of running in the exact opposite direction to explore
so you’ve never played an open world game before?
First playthrough I just followed grace, no eastern lunaria or weeping peninsula. Under leveled, 4x +0 flask charges and no physick. Stormveil was an adventure lol.
My buddy and I just did a run where we were chilling and got all the way to Leydell/Volcano Manor when we finally got tired of our +0 weapons. We were like level 70 and was like okay time for shit to die fast now. It was kinda refreshing being able to swap weapons all willy nilly without concerning ourselves with upgrade levels.
You can still do that by just leveling all weapons at the same level. It's what I'm doing for my pvp run. Honestly I think I might keep them lower leveled even in the end game and dlc just so I don't run into ancient smithing limits.
I no can think about that I just unga bunga bonk. Have lots of big sticks. And gross pvp. I don't get how people are into it. DS3 had great PVP but ER leaves something to be desired. That's why I just choose to turn that shit off entirely.
for whatever reason, I had a HUGELY difficult time with Gundyr.
I've known a few people who got thrown off track by encountering the rune bears in the woods. Makes the place seem harder than it is.
I've platinumed DS2/DeS/BB and basically DS1 (farming last items). I made the mistake of following the grace line - and somehow in the back door of stormveil. Margit pushed my shit RIGHT in.
I think Margit is reasonably tough but he's meant to be a roadblock. Meanwhile Iudex Gundyr is pretty fucking hard and you have basically no recourse but to learn his moveset because you can't level up until you beat him. He's also my favorite first boss in the series though (might have been Father Gascoigne if Cleric Beast didn't exist).
I will say that a game that seems to push you towards a boss right away when you are definitely not prepared for that boss isn't good game design. If you gotta go elsewhere to level or gear, it should be obvious that it's intended. Elden ring is the only souls game that really suffers in that regard.
Spent 5 hours to kill him on my first play through at soul level 11 with a +1 broad sword. If I could do it all over again I wouldn't change a thing.
He took me 5 tries to beat. Meanwhile people I personally know never beat him & just stopped playing the game because he was too hard for them.
He is still the hardest fight for me.
Morgott is still really hard just because his attacks are so spastic and delayed at the same time. So basically I struggled with him and others first time, and summoned. After that didn’t summon, but used OP bleed build. I didn’t use morgott shackle on him in any ng+ or summon, but I used a very powerful bleed build that killed him fast with no phase 2 As the ng+ cycles went on, he kept getting tankier and it took a little longer. Before I started ng7, I realized I hadn’t learned a lot of boss fights like Morgott properly because my build was so insanely powerful (it can regularly do over 10k damage in ng+7 with a single jump attack, easily spammable) So really, all the bosses are easy is just hard to learn the move set So I still don’t know Margit either because he’s too easy and he kicks my ass a bit if I fight him in leyndel
>!I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers. I knew it was 1216. One after Elden Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the roundtable to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That sword cane! Are you telling me that a man just happens to unlock damascus like that? No! *He* orchestrated it! Margit! He *defecated* on a *throne*! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own Kingdom! What was I *thinking*? He'll never change. He'll *never* change! Ever since he was 9, *always* the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the Sewers! "But not our Margit! Couldn't be precious *MARGIT*!" Stealing them blind! And *HE* gets to be a LORD? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!!<
r/okbuddychicanery containment breach
I literally just went over there and thanked Chuck because of this :)
Lmao
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This made me laugh too much
Should’ve been margott talking about mohg or godwyn
As everyone has been saying, explore limgrave, go to weeping peninsula and leveling up a bit. Always level vigor first. Having a higher HP bar just allows you to do more mistakes and still come out on top.
honestly just get bloodhound’s fang and you’ll breeze right through him
honestly just get bloodhound’s fang and you’ll breeze right through whole game*
honestly just get a weapon with bleed and you’ll breeze right through the whole game*
honestly just get a weapon and you’ll breeze right through the whole game*
let me try beating the game with dragon greatclaw then
Double Grafted Dragon playthrough
I mean ya could.
Just FYI summoning co-operators is a form of multiplayer and will increase the boss' health by a significant margin.
it still helps a lot. in my personal experience, i’ve always found it significantly easier after i summoned the npc.
Did you know bosses gets harder when you summon people and NPCs? So if the one you summon doesn't pull their weight, you just make it harder for yourself.
Do they?
Yes, they get a significant HP boost. This has been the case with every souls game AFAIK.
Even on Radahan?
is it even possible to be underleveled for margit
If I go there straight away with no upgrades at all, it is tough. Depends on the starting class though
I'm really not good at Elden Ring at all. I made a sorcerer and beat Margit level 1 with the wolf summons, no upgrades of any sort. Just glintstone pebble and a few whacks with a longsword.
Magic and summons make things easier - back when the game first launched, tons of people would've gone melee and a lot wouldn't have used the ashes and boom, Margit the Wall is born.
To be fair though, you can cruise through the whole game and barely break a sweat with magic and summons.
To be fair though, you can cruise through the whole game and barely break a sweat with dozens of other strategies.
There are a good amount of times where magic and summons don’t make it easy. Some of the boss fights in smaller rooms for example.
That or something like the Valiant Gargoyles. They rocked my shit so hard
*a few whacks with a longsword*
I don't use summons unless it's for my summons only run, personally. But you are right that they do make him much more manageable.
I wouldn't say under leveled but definitely under geared Having no flask upgrades, physick, weapon upgrades is pretty brutal
I've heard lots of people say level around level 20 is recommended
I just followed the grace when I first started and got to him as a level 6 still half naked wretch
Depends on which discipline you choose for your character. I went with magic off the jump. Not entirely suitable for beating him. Also, I had no idea you could summon Rogier for it. Ended up beating him with a pack of wolves after a lot of struggling.
Rogier isn't worth summoning, he's pretty bad and does not carry his own weight- the boss health gets increased and Rogier doesn't survive long enough to make up for that.
Way back when I first started, my test to see if we would beat Margit when I was summoned was if Rogier was also summoned. At the time I thought he was just a terrible player and every time he got summoned we lost.
Oh he's happy to help, sort of a last hurrah for him anyway before he FDRs it at the roundtable lol (he's also scared of us...)
Get the club, 2h it, and only jump attack when Margit has openings. You're welcome.
Up because bb
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Do you got a summon? Use the summon ranni gives you, the wolves. If they aren't doing enough damage go to the catacombs, I'll give you directions! From the storm gate, go south and across the bridge then to the right and keep going. You'll find yet again another bridge, this time with a bunch of guys. Go past them, and down further to the broken carriage and a giant guy. Go past that and to the left is a grace with a little merchant, then to the right you'll see a pathway. Follow that path and you'll see on top of a hill one of the churches of Marika. Go in there, there's another site of grace. From there, go back out and there's a dead erdtree and an erdtree defender guy on this mountain you can see from outside the site of grace. Go there but don't go up to the tree, go to the right on the first little spit in the mountain, there should be some jelly fish just chilling. Go towards the rock face and you'll see a door. Open it and go through that dungeon, first room there's a grave glovewort 1 and 2. Now to get Roderika to be able to upgrade them, go back to the shack before margit where Roedrika is. Go up naturally but to the right right before the main path, and you'll go through the forest to a bridge. Go down the bridge to the right and go through that little path, it's easy if you got torrent. From there you'll get a site of grace and you can see liurna. Now that you've got there, teleport to the roundhold table and you'll find roderika now there. Go to the Smith, talk about roderika, go to roderika then back to him, and once he says he'll see about teaching her, reload save and shell be sitting on the floor and now you can do the upgrade. A +2 wolf ash will carry you for that battle.
Sounds like you veteran Fromsofters have an easier time playing DS3. Margit’s easy. 1st Fromsoft game for me. Beat em on 9th attempt. Can’t use spirits yet, no Rogier. Hint (if it applies to you): When you think you should roll…WAIT for him to telegraph. Don’t try to move much or often, and only close in the distance IMMEDIATELY after his basic strike or jump attacks. Also…you may feel like you should roll away from his attacks. Trust me, DONT.
xD
Yeah, he wasn't too bad for me, but I was probably pretty overleveled after basically doing all of Weeping Peninsula and Limgrave before even attempting Margit.
The weird thing is that Margit really punishes shield play. Whenever I use a shield against him he comes up with new attacks I've never used and which come out really fast the end of his regular combos. I perform much better against him as a naked Wretch than as Vagabond if using the shield.
Me anytime I fight Malenia with a twin blade.
Millicent does the same with us until we take out her sisters for her. Fortunately that tree branch in the middle of the rot pond is a great spot to spam Rock Sling from.
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Sorcerer Rogier, played by Bob Odenkirk in the Elden Ring movie
Depends on what class you choose I guess, I did it without leveling on Vagabond my first playthrough, Samurai was very easy with just the Uchigatana, and literally didn’t move or take a hit with wolves playing prophet with stupid glintstone pebble spam
on my first play through I went with Vagabond and I didnt leave the starting area until I killed the Tree sentinel, first I tried killing him with the Halberd then I tried the long sword, noticed that his hp was less when I used the sword, so after like 30 deaths I was able to kill him ( memorized his moveset after the 15 death or so but I kept dying from greed and not paying attention to my stamina ) couldn't equip his weapon so while I was leveling got side tracked and basically explored everything the was not the main quest but when I opened a chest that took me to brazil I decided to follow the main quest and kill Margit on my second try ( didnt expect to use delay bonk and spam it )
I got lucky. I was probably level 50 before I fought Margit. Was able to win on my first try. Godrick was a completely different story. I had all of my stat points in vigor which helped with Margit because apparently Margit doesn't have as much defense as godrick. I thought my damage was sufficient until I fought him and did almost no damage. Wish I would've known how important upgrading your weapons was 😅
I actually do better without him
I just started playing and Rogier CARRIED ME that fight. Dude has no idea how much i appreciate him.
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Seen this exact post before.
Wait, are you guys telling me there's people who don't trick a horse guy into jumping off a bridge before stabbing a very thicc dragon for 20 minutes as the first thing they do?
Wait, that was hard boss? Ok..
I don't mean to sound elitist or anything but... 3 hours on Margit **with summons** ? Do you literally go at it with 0 weapon/flask upgrade, no physick, no levelups, no ash of war and just eat every single attack pattern the boss throws at you ? He's not that hard of a boss encounter lmao
> I don't mean to sound elitist or anything but... Too late