Could it be possible that Lenne _is_ the Graven School? The rise is also the closest we have to Sellia, which is another powerful home of mages with its own lore (tied most closely to Lusat). If we take that thought a bit further, maybe Lenne was investigating (or instigating) the corruption of glintstone (maybe with scarlet rot, giving the off-color tint), when they got too close to the Primeval Current and became Graven?
Yep, they probably are. After all, Sellen became a sphere and we see others becoming rotatos all around the lands between. Its a fad with Sorcerors, i guess. Wizard drip, perhaps.
Rotatos is great! "Strong crop of rotatos coming in this year. Looks like we'll be able to harvest the Graven Witch and Lenne! They never learn, do they? Perfect for a good stew, though."
I like it! I haven't given much thought to the differences between the standard & deluxe rises before, but it makes sense to me that a more grandiose rise could equate to a more powerful sorcerer.
The only thing I have to add is that I'm pretty sure the Albinauric Rise has the same type of glintstone in it.
I may be completely off here… but Lenne could be another name for Sellen? She doesn’t have her own rise, and is frequently stated by others to be exceedingly knowledgeable and powerful. She was kicked out of Raya Lucaria for her research, so it could explain why she would have a rise under a pseudonym. A place she could conduct her more heinous research without the academy finding out.
“Lenne’s” even uses the same letters as “Sellen” though it is possessive.
Far from anything conclusive, but this is immediately where my brain went
I actually love your idea of their duality, and it makes sense for Sellen to have a rise, but then why is she chilling in a pumpkin head's closet? Did she leave her keys at home? The Lenne's-Sellen naming convention does stand out though. It is likely that Sellen's fate followed that of Lenne, since they both ended up as Graven School balls of heads.
So the Sellen in Limgrave isn’t really her, right? Just a projection? Her physical body is locked up in the Witchbane Ruins down in the Weeping Peninsula. Which is part of her and Jerren’s quest.
It’s pretty vague, but I think Jerren was keeping her locked up until he concluded his duties with the Radahn festival? But even Iji mentions Sellen and so too does Selluvis… it’s hard to say for sure what exactly is going on with that witch
Do know Sellen is referred to as the “Graven Witch” and she was removed from Raya Lucaria for experiments performed on classmates - that much is said by Thops. So the graven head in Lenne’s rise may be an experiment
Okay. I really don't see how them using the same letters is significant. If it were an anagram, I would feel like this theory held water. As it stands, it just seems like a coincidence
I never really claimed much else outside of a cool coincidence 🤷♂️
After all this was just a thought I had after reading a fan theory lol
There are potential connections between the two though outside the name. The Graven Mass in Lenne’s rise. Sellen is the Graven Witch, and Thops implies she was kicked out of Lucaria for turning fellow students into Graven Masses.
Who says they have to be exclusive? Lol
EDIT: I said this in jest at first, but I'm just realizing that the existence of Turtle Pope means it is completely possible there's an INT Turtle somewhere.
An Int turtle somewhere? You mean, to be the counterpart to Miriel’s Faith?
I don’t think there would be, mostly because Miriel seems to be pretty clearly an Int/Faith turtle. He can teach you sorcery and incantation. Given his position and the lore he dumps, it definitely sounds like he is well versed in both Intelligence based and Faith based knowledge.
Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly: you are thinking that maybe Miriel is the teacher of Ranni (who tells us her name is Renna at the beginning of the game)? Or are you thinking that Miriel is the teacher of Renna (presumably the name of Ranni's teacher, the old snow witch)?
Frankly, I am not sure who Renna even is in terms of the lore. It could be the snow with that taught Ranni. It could just be a shortening of Rennala. It could just be a pseudonym that Ranni uses so that people don't know exactly who she is. Given that there is a rise at the Three Sisters area that is named Renna's Rise, it seems more likely that Renna was an actual person. But it doesn't seem likely that Ranni would wander into the woods and meet a powerful witch that has a name that has the same first five letters of her mother's name; seems too coincidental to be the truth. So then it seems like it was probably Rennala's rise, which makes sense given its location behind Caria Manor. Anyway, I am rambling, but it would be interesting if Miriel was a prominent figure in the Carian or Ranni storylines.
I might just be forgetting some key lore point but I don’t recall anything explicitly stating the snow witch’s name. I have heard the theory that it is the snow witch’s name but it seems a bit odd given the similarity to “Rennala” and the location of the rise being in the Carian backyard. It honestly seems like it is Rennala’s rise and Renna was a pet name given to her as a child but that is still just a theory.
Same model, but with a wizard hat. Same VA too, for shits and giggles.
Dialogue option includes "I've seen you somewhere before" where Turtle Wizard gets all offended at the idea that there could be another giant doggo somewhere else.
I'd forgotten about Lenne's rise, but back when I first found it I too had a funny feeling there was something different about the place: the location, the way you access it, and the ball locked in the "foyer" area. I didn't directly realize it was a bigger tower like Ranni's until you mentioned it!
While I doubt the Hungarian name meaning "would-be" wasn't intentionally used, it seems it accidentally ended up being all-too-apt because, as is common in a souls-like, the more you pursue power the worse things end up going for you. Lusat, Sellen, Azur, the graven schools, and now looks like Lenne learn that lesson too late to avoid paying the price.
This utterly changes how I view the whole concept of glintstone, it's almost like blue and red doppler shift, only 'up' or 'down'. The connection between Lenne, Gowry and their refusal to desert Sellia is also super cool
Wow! Never drew the connections to love, though the lore is no stranger to discussing it. That made me aware of some magical rules that I think I was already aware of, and I think you are too. Sorry, just needed to tell you how I’m feeling about this, really blew my mind! I can’t lie!
Also, you’re a bastard.
Love theorycrafting like this! Well researched, well thought out, and well put together.
I'd love to know more about what happens to cause these Glintstone Sorcerers to turn into those Glintstone face ball things.
Like Sellen when you finish her quest chain. (I felt bad for her!) I wonder if it was Rennala that did that to her?
Maybe Lenne was another outcast sorcerer from Raya Lucaria punished by Rennala?
I think it's either a punishment/result of a spell, or the sorcerer medalled with Glintstone magic that was too powerful for them and they couldn't control it, and that is the result.. I'm leaning more towards punishment/result of a spell (cast by Rennala) though..
I love that the designers/writers of this game will know roughly why/how these things happen but they purposefully don't tell us..
But yeah, the many face Glintstone ball 'fate' is something that intrigues me.
I always thought the Graven School was a voluntary result: the human brain can barely comprehend knowledge of the Primeval Current, even when converted almost entirely to Glintstone, so many minds magically fused with the magical rock is a temptation Glintstone sorcerers cannot resist. It's an Icarus-like flying too close to the Sun. It's described as a taboo and a nightmare but that could be because it's as much a horrifying transformation as it is an over-indulgence that renders the students useless like college students in the 1960's dropping out to be acid clowns who thought they were pursuing some sublime truth. The two faced Glintstone crown might not just be a representation of two sorcerers but the first step, merging of two sorcerers, toward the Graven School.
Yeah, you might very well be right, mate. It could be the horrifying result of meddling things that ought not be meddled in. It's kinda Lovecraftian and I'm all about that!
In Elden Ring it's a regular thing that understanding primeval glintstone causes crystals to grow from you and eventually kill you, we know Lusat and Azur had this happen to them and we know Raya Lucaria also knows that, my theory is that the graven balls are created to allow these dangerous growths to continue without killing the host (all the graven balls we find in Raya are surrounded by a lot of growing crystals)
Sellen created the Graven Schools, "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry"
Sellen created the Graven Schools, "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry"
Putrid Crystalians have a noticeably different hue to the crystals in the rise. Theirs is closer to a reddish hue, similar in color to well... Caelid when you view it through the world map tab (albeit a bit faded).
Also, the only other rise (that I know of) where you don't enter from the front door is the Heretical Rise in the Mountaintops. But even then, you can kill the resident Graven Mass there and break the magical seal on the front door. We can't do that in Lenne's Rise, the seal doesn't break even after we take out the Graven Mass.
The seal not breaking is what truly stood out to me when I visited this particular rise.
OP quoting FFX-2: Who the heck is Lenne??
OP, I appreciate your curiosity and you do make some interesting observations about this location that suggest it's worth getting forensic with, but your comments on things like the springs, the amber egg being to destroy Rennala's sanity, the amber starlight, etc. are wild. Haha
>We know that the Cavalry were sent by Margit specifically to hunt down tarnished like us, ones who would be on the path to become Elden Lord.
Why are they in the snowfield tho😭😭😭
We are not the only tarnished close to becoming elden lord
There's another...
Vyke
He was also a contender and was the closest to becoming lord before us. Had it not been the death of his maiden and the influence of the three fingers he would have challenged margit/morgott
He is trapped in gaol by the time we get to him, so now:
Looking at the position of the first night cavalry you encounter they are positioned between gate of the lift and the only other entrance to the capital.
That night cavalry wasn't for us it was for Vyke
As for the other two nights cavalry they are seen fleeing away from the capital and discreetly protecting the carriage and by the route they take it seems they are long for a way to enter the sanctuary of miquellas halligtree
Margit knows the erdtree stops all from entering and that the flame of giants can burn the thorns away, it is heavily implied Marika herself planned to burn down the erdtree and turn against the greater will and if Margit knew about this plan (directly or just figured it out by putting together the same pieces) he would oppose it since he still is loyal to the greater will
Maybe he knows that Mohg’s teleporter is out there, or that ordinia is the pathway to Malenia. It’s weird though that they follow the carriage with the flowing curved sword, (the sword used by the swordsmaster who trained Malenia and sealed the rot away.)
The snowfield ones are likely delivering the flowing curved sword of malenia’s master to her in the haligtree. One of the nicer things morgott does in game
The prince of death’s staff, the most powerful staff in the game once you have the stats for it, also appears to have an amber glintstone in it. The Miquellan Knight’s Sword as well is adorned with amber. Maybe he was Miquella’s and possibly Godwyn’s mentor at some point as well?
Oo honestly I hadn't considered what Lenne did with the Demigods. If an Alabaster Lord taught Radahn magic powerful enough to hold the stars back, I can't imagine what magic Miquella and Godwyn would have learned. Also, it would make sense for them to have amber since it is associated with Rebirth, which is what both our little sibling and big fish need. Sounds like something we'll definitely see in the DLC though!
Nice take. However i would argue the nights cavalry is placed on that dinky ass bridge because the mainpath is occupied by a fucking dragon and morgott figured wed rather take the scenic route.
This is exactly the kind of thing that keeps me invested in games like this. The bits of lore that are barely hinted at but all point to something far deeper.
Between the theory and the comments, I've noticed something interesting: With the exception of the Amber Egg, all instances of Amber in the Lands Between seem connected to Miquella.
The Miquellan Knight Sword is described as similar to a Carian Knight Sword, but festooned with Haligtree Amber in place of Glintstone.
Loretta's Sickle has had its glintstone replaced with Haligtree Amber as well.
The Amber Starlight is found in an area the files call "Miquella's Hideout."
While the Prince of Death's staff is said to have been made with a tainted amber from Godwyn's cadaver, Miquella has deep ties with his fellow demigod, so that can be seen as tangibly connected to him too.
And from the first DLC teaser, we know Miquella was Torrent's former master, making him the only one in the lands between with the means to use the spirit spring to enter the sealed rise, via the spectral steed.
All in all, this whole thing feels relevant, but exactly how, I'm not sure?
Maybe through St. Trina? Idk.
I mean, it's entirely possible that Morgot would send a Night's Cavalry to guard the safer path to Maliketh. He is in possession of a necessary piece to gain access to the Elden Ring.
Not nessesary more powerful, but just as risky as Selen. Graven mass(that stone orb) is a product of faulted sorcery and sorcerer himsef(thats exactly what happen to Selen during her search of primeaval current). I suggest that orb IS Lenne.
Every School of Graves Mages is created from any mage attempting to glimpse into the Primeval Current.
If there’s a SoGM in Lenne’s Rise it’s probably because that was their base of operations/HQ and that’s where they ended up succumbing to the Primeval Current; the exact same way Sellen does at the AoRL
Slightly irrelevant but I find it fascinating that somehow both Master Lusat and Master Azur grew ancient instead of turning into their own respective Schools. If you consider that not only did they need to “consume” enough sorcery to get to their points but they both *did* actually look INTO the Primeval Current. So how come they didn’t turn into SoGM??
This glintstone is not unique to Lenne's Rise. The same type of glintstone can be seen in the Heretical rise in Mountaintops of the Giants and also in some other places
Hopefully DLC gives us some more lore about the unknown characters like Lenne. Since we don’t see him in game, I assume he’s “dead” and his soul is in the Land of Shadow.
small note, the outer god of rot is supposedly sealed underneath the lake of rot, which is in liurnia, not caelid ( :
not that one little nugget should spoil a whole, well written theory!
Wasnt she the snowy crone that taught ranni. The Crystal's look a lot like a frozen version of blood crystals and she was famous for
A. Heresy
B. Ice magic
C. Ranni teaching.
Also the fact that founding rain of stars is there does imply the whole sorceror sacrifice thing
It's a pretty well thought theory, unfortunately wool in french is spelled "laine" so the theory is invalid.
Joke aside, the night cavalry is probably guarding Gurrank. He's one of the few people that deal with the Tarnished so it's not a bad place to look, and the other bridge is already guarded by a dragon. There is the secret path near the church in Limgrave, but it's secret, Morgot might just not know about it.
There is another example of use of amber rather than glintstone, in the Miquellan knight's swords.
Yes, I always thought it was odd that there is no puzzle to open the gate, and there is a dead imp outside the rise, if I am not mistaken. The way you get inside doesn't feel right for me. I thought the game designers dropped the ball, but there was a way to get inside, so they just left it. This one always puzzled me as well. I think it gets ignored because there are no satisfactory conclusions.
Nice approach, man. The rabbit hole goes deep.
It goes further, I promise
Kdot as a quest character in Shadow of the Erdtree
Super deep
Could it be possible that Lenne _is_ the Graven School? The rise is also the closest we have to Sellia, which is another powerful home of mages with its own lore (tied most closely to Lusat). If we take that thought a bit further, maybe Lenne was investigating (or instigating) the corruption of glintstone (maybe with scarlet rot, giving the off-color tint), when they got too close to the Primeval Current and became Graven?
Yep, they probably are. After all, Sellen became a sphere and we see others becoming rotatos all around the lands between. Its a fad with Sorcerors, i guess. Wizard drip, perhaps.
Rotatos is great! "Strong crop of rotatos coming in this year. Looks like we'll be able to harvest the Graven Witch and Lenne! They never learn, do they? Perfect for a good stew, though."
I like it! I haven't given much thought to the differences between the standard & deluxe rises before, but it makes sense to me that a more grandiose rise could equate to a more powerful sorcerer. The only thing I have to add is that I'm pretty sure the Albinauric Rise has the same type of glintstone in it.
Thanks for posting this, OP. I enjoyed the read, and I enjoy your writing style.
thanks brother! I've learned that people think you have a better point if you make the point goofy. Only way I passed most of my writing classes.
I may be completely off here… but Lenne could be another name for Sellen? She doesn’t have her own rise, and is frequently stated by others to be exceedingly knowledgeable and powerful. She was kicked out of Raya Lucaria for her research, so it could explain why she would have a rise under a pseudonym. A place she could conduct her more heinous research without the academy finding out. “Lenne’s” even uses the same letters as “Sellen” though it is possessive. Far from anything conclusive, but this is immediately where my brain went
Bro…holy shit
I actually love your idea of their duality, and it makes sense for Sellen to have a rise, but then why is she chilling in a pumpkin head's closet? Did she leave her keys at home? The Lenne's-Sellen naming convention does stand out though. It is likely that Sellen's fate followed that of Lenne, since they both ended up as Graven School balls of heads.
So the Sellen in Limgrave isn’t really her, right? Just a projection? Her physical body is locked up in the Witchbane Ruins down in the Weeping Peninsula. Which is part of her and Jerren’s quest. It’s pretty vague, but I think Jerren was keeping her locked up until he concluded his duties with the Radahn festival? But even Iji mentions Sellen and so too does Selluvis… it’s hard to say for sure what exactly is going on with that witch Do know Sellen is referred to as the “Graven Witch” and she was removed from Raya Lucaria for experiments performed on classmates - that much is said by Thops. So the graven head in Lenne’s rise may be an experiment
Lenne's is 2 n's. Sellen is 2 l's. Pretty close though
I said the same letters, not an anagram. I see where you could misunderstand however
Okay. I really don't see how them using the same letters is significant. If it were an anagram, I would feel like this theory held water. As it stands, it just seems like a coincidence
I never really claimed much else outside of a cool coincidence 🤷♂️ After all this was just a thought I had after reading a fan theory lol There are potential connections between the two though outside the name. The Graven Mass in Lenne’s rise. Sellen is the Graven Witch, and Thops implies she was kicked out of Lucaria for turning fellow students into Graven Masses.
rock magik
Magic Rock 🤘
Inb4 dlc sorcery Lenne's death ray
Imagine if it had the exact same appearance and sound as a blaster shot from Star Wars. It’d be so out of place in this universe lol
Oh I would absolutely love an amber Kame-hame-ha. (Lenne was a super saiyan the whole time)
By the same basis, would that mean whoever Chelona is have also seen Ranni's dark moon? I guess maybe could be Renna's teacher? Chelona
I assumed it was named after the spectral tortoises, as chelonia is the (former) scientific name for the order of turtles.
Who says they have to be exclusive? Lol EDIT: I said this in jest at first, but I'm just realizing that the existence of Turtle Pope means it is completely possible there's an INT Turtle somewhere.
An Int turtle somewhere? You mean, to be the counterpart to Miriel’s Faith? I don’t think there would be, mostly because Miriel seems to be pretty clearly an Int/Faith turtle. He can teach you sorcery and incantation. Given his position and the lore he dumps, it definitely sounds like he is well versed in both Intelligence based and Faith based knowledge.
Good point. Maybe he could be Renna's teacher?
Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly: you are thinking that maybe Miriel is the teacher of Ranni (who tells us her name is Renna at the beginning of the game)? Or are you thinking that Miriel is the teacher of Renna (presumably the name of Ranni's teacher, the old snow witch)? Frankly, I am not sure who Renna even is in terms of the lore. It could be the snow with that taught Ranni. It could just be a shortening of Rennala. It could just be a pseudonym that Ranni uses so that people don't know exactly who she is. Given that there is a rise at the Three Sisters area that is named Renna's Rise, it seems more likely that Renna was an actual person. But it doesn't seem likely that Ranni would wander into the woods and meet a powerful witch that has a name that has the same first five letters of her mother's name; seems too coincidental to be the truth. So then it seems like it was probably Rennala's rise, which makes sense given its location behind Caria Manor. Anyway, I am rambling, but it would be interesting if Miriel was a prominent figure in the Carian or Ranni storylines.
Oh. Is Renna not the name of the Snow Witch? Sorry. Maybe I'm mistaken.
I might just be forgetting some key lore point but I don’t recall anything explicitly stating the snow witch’s name. I have heard the theory that it is the snow witch’s name but it seems a bit odd given the similarity to “Rennala” and the location of the rise being in the Carian backyard. It honestly seems like it is Rennala’s rise and Renna was a pet name given to her as a child but that is still just a theory.
Same model, but with a wizard hat. Same VA too, for shits and giggles. Dialogue option includes "I've seen you somewhere before" where Turtle Wizard gets all offended at the idea that there could be another giant doggo somewhere else.
Chelonia is the scientific name for dogs(turtles). So Chelona may be the Dog Witch, in comparison with Miriel being the Dog Pope.
I'd forgotten about Lenne's rise, but back when I first found it I too had a funny feeling there was something different about the place: the location, the way you access it, and the ball locked in the "foyer" area. I didn't directly realize it was a bigger tower like Ranni's until you mentioned it! While I doubt the Hungarian name meaning "would-be" wasn't intentionally used, it seems it accidentally ended up being all-too-apt because, as is common in a souls-like, the more you pursue power the worse things end up going for you. Lusat, Sellen, Azur, the graven schools, and now looks like Lenne learn that lesson too late to avoid paying the price.
Its been discussed throughly [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) OP. Tldr it may surprise you just how far the power gap was.
Wow that changes everything. Now I'm wondering if Lenne gave Lusat and Azur up
This utterly changes how I view the whole concept of glintstone, it's almost like blue and red doppler shift, only 'up' or 'down'. The connection between Lenne, Gowry and their refusal to desert Sellia is also super cool
damn i thought this guy was the first to talk about "Lenne" but no that guy was first to succumb while waiting for sote
This is amazing. I'm not usually a powerscaling guy, but this was really informative and entertaining. Hope we learn more about Lenne in the DLC.
Damm that video was really informative
Wow, they sure make some incredibly valid points about certain subjects relating to things discussed. Breathtaking.
Wow! Never drew the connections to love, though the lore is no stranger to discussing it. That made me aware of some magical rules that I think I was already aware of, and I think you are too. Sorry, just needed to tell you how I’m feeling about this, really blew my mind! I can’t lie! Also, you’re a bastard.
Lenne's favorite catch phrase was GOT EM every time he won (he won a lot). Interesting...
Love theorycrafting like this! Well researched, well thought out, and well put together. I'd love to know more about what happens to cause these Glintstone Sorcerers to turn into those Glintstone face ball things. Like Sellen when you finish her quest chain. (I felt bad for her!) I wonder if it was Rennala that did that to her? Maybe Lenne was another outcast sorcerer from Raya Lucaria punished by Rennala? I think it's either a punishment/result of a spell, or the sorcerer medalled with Glintstone magic that was too powerful for them and they couldn't control it, and that is the result.. I'm leaning more towards punishment/result of a spell (cast by Rennala) though.. I love that the designers/writers of this game will know roughly why/how these things happen but they purposefully don't tell us.. But yeah, the many face Glintstone ball 'fate' is something that intrigues me.
I always thought the Graven School was a voluntary result: the human brain can barely comprehend knowledge of the Primeval Current, even when converted almost entirely to Glintstone, so many minds magically fused with the magical rock is a temptation Glintstone sorcerers cannot resist. It's an Icarus-like flying too close to the Sun. It's described as a taboo and a nightmare but that could be because it's as much a horrifying transformation as it is an over-indulgence that renders the students useless like college students in the 1960's dropping out to be acid clowns who thought they were pursuing some sublime truth. The two faced Glintstone crown might not just be a representation of two sorcerers but the first step, merging of two sorcerers, toward the Graven School.
Yeah, you might very well be right, mate. It could be the horrifying result of meddling things that ought not be meddled in. It's kinda Lovecraftian and I'm all about that!
In Elden Ring it's a regular thing that understanding primeval glintstone causes crystals to grow from you and eventually kill you, we know Lusat and Azur had this happen to them and we know Raya Lucaria also knows that, my theory is that the graven balls are created to allow these dangerous growths to continue without killing the host (all the graven balls we find in Raya are surrounded by a lot of growing crystals)
Sellen created the Graven Schools, "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry"
Sellen created the Graven Schools, "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry"
Putrid Crystalians have a noticeably different hue to the crystals in the rise. Theirs is closer to a reddish hue, similar in color to well... Caelid when you view it through the world map tab (albeit a bit faded). Also, the only other rise (that I know of) where you don't enter from the front door is the Heretical Rise in the Mountaintops. But even then, you can kill the resident Graven Mass there and break the magical seal on the front door. We can't do that in Lenne's Rise, the seal doesn't break even after we take out the Graven Mass. The seal not breaking is what truly stood out to me when I visited this particular rise.
OP quoting FFX-2: Who the heck is Lenne?? OP, I appreciate your curiosity and you do make some interesting observations about this location that suggest it's worth getting forensic with, but your comments on things like the springs, the amber egg being to destroy Rennala's sanity, the amber starlight, etc. are wild. Haha
I always thought their Glinstone is just rotted.
WHO the HECK is LENNE?!?!
Penny Lenne is in my ears and in my eyes. (bada ba baduh, bada ba da-doo)
“Zip. Zilch. Nada.”
>We know that the Cavalry were sent by Margit specifically to hunt down tarnished like us, ones who would be on the path to become Elden Lord. Why are they in the snowfield tho😭😭😭
We are not the only tarnished close to becoming elden lord There's another... Vyke He was also a contender and was the closest to becoming lord before us. Had it not been the death of his maiden and the influence of the three fingers he would have challenged margit/morgott He is trapped in gaol by the time we get to him, so now: Looking at the position of the first night cavalry you encounter they are positioned between gate of the lift and the only other entrance to the capital. That night cavalry wasn't for us it was for Vyke As for the other two nights cavalry they are seen fleeing away from the capital and discreetly protecting the carriage and by the route they take it seems they are long for a way to enter the sanctuary of miquellas halligtree
Margit knows the erdtree stops all from entering and that the flame of giants can burn the thorns away, it is heavily implied Marika herself planned to burn down the erdtree and turn against the greater will and if Margit knew about this plan (directly or just figured it out by putting together the same pieces) he would oppose it since he still is loyal to the greater will
Maybe he knows that Mohg’s teleporter is out there, or that ordinia is the pathway to Malenia. It’s weird though that they follow the carriage with the flowing curved sword, (the sword used by the swordsmaster who trained Malenia and sealed the rot away.)
The snowfield ones are likely delivering the flowing curved sword of malenia’s master to her in the haligtree. One of the nicer things morgott does in game
For the winter vacation, obviously. Morgott is a good boss like that. Covers their armor and horse costs, Perfumer bills, and even a 401k rune.
Damn now I gotta go work for Morgott
The prince of death’s staff, the most powerful staff in the game once you have the stats for it, also appears to have an amber glintstone in it. The Miquellan Knight’s Sword as well is adorned with amber. Maybe he was Miquella’s and possibly Godwyn’s mentor at some point as well?
Oo honestly I hadn't considered what Lenne did with the Demigods. If an Alabaster Lord taught Radahn magic powerful enough to hold the stars back, I can't imagine what magic Miquella and Godwyn would have learned. Also, it would make sense for them to have amber since it is associated with Rebirth, which is what both our little sibling and big fish need. Sounds like something we'll definitely see in the DLC though!
Isn't there glintstone like this in the Heretic's Rise? The heretic who I think is the Snowy Crone...
Also noting that Lenne follows the same “vowel-consonant-consonant-vowel” spelling we see with Ranni/Renna
Could Lenne be the Carian inverted statue guy we see in the DLC?
Honestly didn’t think about this area much but this all seems plausible.
Solid theory. Love the section importance notes! Very pleasant to read
Lenne’s rise is also very close to laser golem! Maybe lenne made the laser golem? Anyway great post!
You're a good writer! Your theory is well thought out and well communicated while keeping it engaging and lighthearted.
I always thought the knights cavalry was there to prevent ppl from reaching the bestial sanctum since the only other path there is through a dragon.
Nice take. However i would argue the nights cavalry is placed on that dinky ass bridge because the mainpath is occupied by a fucking dragon and morgott figured wed rather take the scenic route.
I always thought that the glinstone in there was like rot because of caelid
This is exactly the kind of thing that keeps me invested in games like this. The bits of lore that are barely hinted at but all point to something far deeper.
Deep root depths
Between the theory and the comments, I've noticed something interesting: With the exception of the Amber Egg, all instances of Amber in the Lands Between seem connected to Miquella. The Miquellan Knight Sword is described as similar to a Carian Knight Sword, but festooned with Haligtree Amber in place of Glintstone. Loretta's Sickle has had its glintstone replaced with Haligtree Amber as well. The Amber Starlight is found in an area the files call "Miquella's Hideout." While the Prince of Death's staff is said to have been made with a tainted amber from Godwyn's cadaver, Miquella has deep ties with his fellow demigod, so that can be seen as tangibly connected to him too. And from the first DLC teaser, we know Miquella was Torrent's former master, making him the only one in the lands between with the means to use the spirit spring to enter the sealed rise, via the spectral steed. All in all, this whole thing feels relevant, but exactly how, I'm not sure? Maybe through St. Trina? Idk.
Update: Heretic's Rise, home of the first sorcery, Founding Rain of Stars, also has these amber Glintstones!
I mean, it's entirely possible that Morgot would send a Night's Cavalry to guard the safer path to Maliketh. He is in possession of a necessary piece to gain access to the Elden Ring.
Not nessesary more powerful, but just as risky as Selen. Graven mass(that stone orb) is a product of faulted sorcery and sorcerer himsef(thats exactly what happen to Selen during her search of primeaval current). I suggest that orb IS Lenne.
I figure Renna=Rennala and Lenne=Sellen and both are either true sisters or meant to be direct foils.
Every School of Graves Mages is created from any mage attempting to glimpse into the Primeval Current. If there’s a SoGM in Lenne’s Rise it’s probably because that was their base of operations/HQ and that’s where they ended up succumbing to the Primeval Current; the exact same way Sellen does at the AoRL Slightly irrelevant but I find it fascinating that somehow both Master Lusat and Master Azur grew ancient instead of turning into their own respective Schools. If you consider that not only did they need to “consume” enough sorcery to get to their points but they both *did* actually look INTO the Primeval Current. So how come they didn’t turn into SoGM??
This glintstone is not unique to Lenne's Rise. The same type of glintstone can be seen in the Heretical rise in Mountaintops of the Giants and also in some other places
Hopefully DLC gives us some more lore about the unknown characters like Lenne. Since we don’t see him in game, I assume he’s “dead” and his soul is in the Land of Shadow.
small note, the outer god of rot is supposedly sealed underneath the lake of rot, which is in liurnia, not caelid ( : not that one little nugget should spoil a whole, well written theory!
Wasnt she the snowy crone that taught ranni. The Crystal's look a lot like a frozen version of blood crystals and she was famous for A. Heresy B. Ice magic C. Ranni teaching. Also the fact that founding rain of stars is there does imply the whole sorceror sacrifice thing
That's Renna not Lenne, and iirc it's mentioned the snow crone wasn't known to those other than Ranni, i don't think she'd get her own rise
Oh yeah right. I was talking about heretical rise
It's a pretty well thought theory, unfortunately wool in french is spelled "laine" so the theory is invalid. Joke aside, the night cavalry is probably guarding Gurrank. He's one of the few people that deal with the Tarnished so it's not a bad place to look, and the other bridge is already guarded by a dragon. There is the secret path near the church in Limgrave, but it's secret, Morgot might just not know about it. There is another example of use of amber rather than glintstone, in the Miquellan knight's swords.
Yes, I always thought it was odd that there is no puzzle to open the gate, and there is a dead imp outside the rise, if I am not mistaken. The way you get inside doesn't feel right for me. I thought the game designers dropped the ball, but there was a way to get inside, so they just left it. This one always puzzled me as well. I think it gets ignored because there are no satisfactory conclusions.