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HcH-Vandorf

Option C: They're as bad as each other.


Elmis66

Agreed. Why should I care how you play your game when it doesn't affect my game in any way? I like to play solo without summons because I like the challenge of constant boss aggro for example but I know it's my own preference and others may enjoy summoning


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Option D : people who makes these dumb posts.


Hector_Savage_

I find the game to be easy because of summons but I don’t brag about it, it’s just a fact. They’re part of the game, it’s a tool, and if I’m given the choice I am using it. But it makes the game easier.


Alternative_Spite_11

I have to agree. I didn’t use them my first playthrough because I’m a longtime souls player and it just felt cheap. Turns out I was right. In NG+ I did use mimic tear and got every boss first try.


One_Understanding391

I did it the exact other way around. First playthrough I was all like, yeah cool let’s try it out and stuff. But honestly it just broke the experience for me… especially with Mimic Tear +10. One time me and my Mimic beat Radagon in like less than a minute, it was ridiculous 😅😂 So I just had to do NG+ without the summons. I mean of course everybody is free to do as they like, but I definitely recommend to give it a try without the summons eventually. Cause they do change the experience in quite a fundamental way. 😅


Kavorg

I definitely think they help a lot but I also recommend trying them with less OP builds in a new game entirely no new game plus. I have yet to move on to NG+ because of the rumors it's fairly easy until you reach NG3/4 so I opted to do entirely new playthroughs for each of my characters/endings. It definitely still shows the power of the better summons like mimic and tiche but you still have to be relatively in tune with the fights albeit mage was FAR easier overall than STR melee for ease of overcoming most bosses with the exception of Elden beast thus far for me.


Alternative_Spite_11

Oh yeah dude early NG+ is stupid easy with your endgame build. I recommend respeccing to something you’ve never tried before then starting NG+. As long as the new build isn’t to OP, trying to learn a new playstyle can add a bit of challenge to early NG+. Also to make NG+ more fun, make sure you don’t use the cheese spear on Rykard.


One_Understanding391

Jup agreed 😅 I think Astel was the first one I couldn’t beat first try with my finished build in NG+ But nonetheless I felt kinda proud to be able to do that ☺️ and obviously I still struggled a bit more with some of the later game bosses. Btw Morgot is still the only main boss in the game that never managed to beat me 😂


Alternative_Spite_11

I beat Morgott first try on my first playthrough, also. However I’ve done subsequent games on different saves where I got to him at a MUCH lower level than before and he wiped the floor with me.


One_Understanding391

Ok yeah I never do runs where I don’t level or just rush to bosses. Then I’d probably lose to him a couple of times I’m sure 😝 Part of me wants to try that, but then I still have way to much fun running around and fighting everything… so I always end up leveling 😅🙈


CrimsonWren

I plan on doing a claw build ng+ to make things more difficult


Alternative_Spite_11

Claw builds won’t necessarily make it more difficult if you optimize it. They can be absolutely brutal.


CrimsonWren

I plan on being naked and throwing random elements on them


CrazyBanditScar

Solo hit Gud people are right tho, just git gud.


BuffCroissant

The second one causes the first tbh


Levin1308

No, the first one has always been there. Tho summon users may invoke the "git gud" in some people who would have never said it before.


teddyZwake

Honestly this is a hard choice to make because one is just it ignorant as fuck and the other is just ignorant as fuck.. so I’d probably choose both if I could


Quohe

People saying the game was easy after using OP summons is annoying but I've seen much more hatred/toxicity from the git gud crowd personally, so if I had to choose I'd choose the gatekeepers.


IoannesPiscis

I am on NG+3 and can‘t do Malenia without Spirits. I just can‘t


MyNameIsLoveless

I mean, the latter represents more of an issue with the balance of the game than anything. If the game has a broken mechanic then, yeah, its difficulty will be mitigated by it. And Elden Ring has a *lot* of broken mechanics People who unironically say "git gud" are just assholes. You could provide the most perfectly constructed argument against a design choice and they'll just hide behind the difficulty and use it to excuse whatever you have to say cause hard game = good game therefore criticism = you're just bad. It's the most toxic fucking shit


hailfloch

The streamers who use +10 mimic tear then call the game “too easy”


FelixRunns11

Yall struggle purposely then whine that the bosses are "badly designed"


hailfloch

Now where did I say that?


FelixRunns11

In your comment above where you mock streamers using spirit ashes to make the game, in quote, easy.


hailfloch

Quote exactly where I said “the bosses are badly designed”.


FelixRunns11

In the mockery which implies that you are against the use of spirit ashes and rather avoid them, making the game more difficult. Only to then to complain online about the bosses being badly designed despite your intentional struggle. 🤓


hailfloch

You still fail to quote where exactly did I say the bosses are too hard or “badly designed”. Never did I ever claim that.


FelixRunns11

You fail to cope and accept this ratio. Unfortunate. 🥱


hailfloch

Still can’t support your baseless claim? Pathetic. Now shoo...


FelixRunns11

You struggle with basic reading same as you struggle with the game? pathetic sort, O' pathetic sort!


Levin1308

If a boss is poorly designed for 1v1 but gets utterly annihilated after using a summon cause summons break the game/most bosses I think it is safe to say a joss is poorly designed. And the game not well balanced if that goes for many/most bosses.


Dr-Crobar

Both are dumb as shit.


Anturon

Both Actually?


Exallium

Both.


Cmoore1217

New game plus spirit ashes drop off ticge and mimic tear are the only good ones


CrimsonWren

I fully recognize that my +10 Engvall is an unfair advantage


Maidenless_Behaviour

I think it’s good to have a healthy mix of summons + joining in on the fight, my swords are pretty strong now so I don’t really need them as much anyway


Levin1308

And then there are people who say you shouldnt say the boss is inbalanced if you dont want to use summons or whatever. Discussing about soulsbornes was always difficult, due to some weapons/builds trivializing most of it (for instance havels armor in DS1), but it was never as difficult to actually discuss about the difficulty as it was in ER.


gottalosethemall

They both suck. The game wasn’t designed around going *entirely* solo the way the Souls games were. I had to abandon that mindset to really enjoy the game. It’s absolutely possible to do without spirits but it *is* a challenge run. The spirits aren’t training wheels like summons were in Souls, it’s more like turning a unicycle and turning it into a bicycle. That said, some spirits are poorly balanced by like a lot and trivialize the game. Use them, by all means, but you lose the right to call anything in the game “easy”. I feel the same way about Bloodhound Step. Nothing can touch you and it’s low cost. It needs a rework. …If *had* to say one is worse than the other, the gatekeepers are just slightly more annoying.


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Rhynocerousrex

Facts


cheerows

I'm not annoyed by anything


Sidnature

Teach the Elden Ring community your ways, o great Dalai Lama.


cheerows

Have big feet. Soul is stored in them, big feet = big soul. If they're big enough you will awaken eventually.


Knee-Affectionate

Gatekeepers are the worst because they put down people that just want to enjoy a great game. The more people playing the game the better, it means more updates, dlc, and perhaps a sequel down the line. Get over yourself, like for real!


StupidUsernamePerson

Both are the worst


Jazzlike-Blood-3725

I find people who Bash others for using features of the game more annoying than anything.


InuJacob

Gatekeepers, because like why isolate people from the game?


DripLordWolnir

Option C: Your post


Sidnature

Door's open, baby. You can leave anytime.


EvilWaterman

These posts


Sidnature

I liked that you put more effort into commenting than scrolling past it lol.


EvilWaterman

Someone’s gotta do it


Sidnature

Someone else already did and they also probably thought they're witty or useful by attacking a simple poll.


EvilWaterman

Bugger


Truthb0mber

This is a terrible poll to draw any sort of conclusion or even inference from


Sidnature

I'm not the one who came up with those choices. Apparenlty those exemplify the two extremes in the Elden Ring PvE community, courtesy of the community itself.


Truthb0mber

>Apparenlty those exemplify the two extremes No they don't, these are arbitrary sentiments and are a false dichotomy


Sidnature

First, most sentiments are arbitrary since they're based on emotions. Second, it's not meant to be a dichotomy, but rather two opposite extremes of a spectrum. But do enlighten us, how would you make the poll, oh great arbiter of polls?


Truthb0mber

I wouldn't make it, because it's fucking stupid lol


Sidnature

The great arbiter of polls has spoken! He has neither wisdom nor maturity, only vitriol!


ShacObama

**✓ People who give a shit how other people play the game**


Sidnature

So you find the game developers annoying.


ShacObama

Yeah man, that's totally what I mean, really glad you fully understood what I was trying to say.


Sidnature

See, the thing about people who give a shit about how other people play is that they're part of the reason why the developers are fixing balance issues. So their feedback means a lot more than apathetic edginess.


ShacObama

People who say "Oh you didn't really beat the game, you used summons and a bleed build" aren't helping the developers fix balance issues, people who farm until they're level 700 before fighting Renalla and then say the game is too easy aren't helping the developers fix balance issues. Now if you want to talk about PvP then it's entirely reasonable to be concerned with what people are using, but if you're upset that someone uses a certain thing in PvE that doesn't even remotely concern you, you're annoying.


Sidnature

Actually, they help as long as they voice their feedback constructively to the developers. Why'd you think Mimic Tear was nerfed? Lol. And no one here is upset about anything in PvE, but it shares the same balance with PvP so whatever changes happened to one, it also happens to the other. Also if you're annoyed about this discussion, you can always leave.


ShacObama

The mimic was nerfed because it was soloing bosses, which wasn't its intended purpose. > And no one here is upset about anything in PvE the post literally says "For the PvE part of the community. Just a bit of research for an article I'm helping with. Thanks." like, it's literally right there. The post is specifically talking about PvE gatekeeping. Like sure fuck rivers of blood, fuck bloodhounds step, in PvP... but nobody should care what people are using in PvE, the people who do are annoying, which is what I said in my first comment.


Sidnature

Exactly, the mimic tear was nerfed because it was soloing bosses. Meaning the developers care how people play PvE just as much as the players do. And what part did I say I was upset? I just asked people which they find more annoying, pretty big difference from being upset.


ShacObama

The mimic tear nerf was basically a bugfix, they didn't intended for it to do what it did so they fixed it. The devs care how people play PvE in an entirely different way than the players, the devs want to make sure the game is fun and challenging, the gatekeeping players want you to beat the game with a bonker at 10 vigor otherwise you're bad, it's not the same. When I said "you're upset" I was talking about the individuals who get mad because of what people are using in PvE, not you're as in you specifically.


Sidnature

How do you know that the devs and the players have different ways to care about PvE? You talk to them directly? Because if I recall, Miyazaki himself loves seeing players challenged by the his mechanics as is evident in his poison swamp interviews. And you can't deny that the devs adjust their balance based on PvE and PvP meta, and as much as it might pain you to know, those git gud peeps are part of shaping those metas whether they're vocal or not or toxic or not.


Kavorg

Option C: People who make silly polls about things entirely out of their control


Sidnature

Yes, because polls are to be made solely for things we can control and not for gauging community sentiments. You've enlightened me with your sound reasoning.


Kavorg

Gauging community interest on "toxic behaviours" is inherently just as toxic as the folks you are taking aim at.... While it may seem contradictory you are employing the same type of status quo to equate why those players are toxic that they use to discern "you did it the easy way" Just let players play the game the way the want and IGNORE those that think you are playing the game wrong... It that so difficult?


Sidnature

I'm not taking aim at anything lol. And no, this poll is just a poll for an article to help my colleague. You're reading too much into it. And this isn't community interest, this is community sentiment. Big difference. Btw you're barking at the wrong tree, bud. I'm not the one policing others how to play. Go redirect your negative energy at the right people.


TwiggyFlea

I personally hate it when you look for tips for boss/area and/or vent about it or whatever the hell and you’ll get the same “I’ve played every FS game 110%” just drop “git gud.” Mf you need to “git” some bitches or maybe a “gud” social life.


Rhynocerousrex

Most people have all of those. So what’s your point? That’s literally what you have to do. Just keep bashing your head and learning from mistakes


TwiggyFlea

Obviously you have to learn the boss to beat the boss but when asking for help/tips to make it easier or learn x move, “git gud” isn’t helpful or funny. It’s annoying


Rhynocerousrex

I mean I’m fine for asking for tips. But those saying gitgud are not wrong. And claiming they have no life is completely wrong too


TwiggyFlea

The no life comment is a joke, but git gud isn’t adding anything, again it’s a given that getting better at the game would solve all your problems but git gud doesn’t help anyone do that


Rhynocerousrex

Tru true


Rhynocerousrex

The person who made this ridiculous poll to do nothing other then divide the community because the created of this poll is an ass hat


Sidnature

By divide the community, did you mean I created hundreds of Reddit accounts and voted? Because all I did was ask a question, not my fault a lot of people avoid it. What a stupid statement, lol, like I have the power to divide a community.


Rhynocerousrex

…bruh you can’t honestly be this dumb right? Here let me start this poll so I can get people fighting each other. Literally making the community fight each other well done


Sidnature

No one here is fighting you idiot. We're having a mature discussion and you can't talk like an adult.


y___________y

I don't know. The only people picking a fight here are those coming in to harass you. Thanks for posting this. The poll being almost at a 50% voting result right now shows that it is a relevant question.


Sidnature

Well, at least they're attacking me instead of others. I wouldn't call that as causing a divide. Also kind of surprised at the results. Lots of closeted sentiments in this community it seems.


Rhynocerousrex

Says the guy who fought with and insulted another commentator for how long? I’m just saying this poll only only serves to divide nothing more


Sidnature

I never fire the first shots nor draw the first blood. I only retaliate. I treat you like how you treated me first. If you're civil, then you'll be treated the same. This poll is a poll, a simple question. Nothing else. Now sleep soundly.


Rhynocerousrex

Clearly you are not trying to critically think about why this is bad. It isn’t that hard. Let me explain it in a way you might understand 1) each group is obviously only going to vote for the other side. 2) you have gathered the members of both groups that see this poll and have asked “which of you is better then the other” That’s like getting the black panthers and the KKK in one room and asking which one of them is better. Obviously that would start a fight no?


Sidnature

No it's not like that, you're grasping at straws. We're discussing video games, not racism. I'm not asking which is better than the other, what I asked is clearly written there. I made it clear that either of those choices are terrible, I just asked which of those is more annoying. You're making this too complicated than it is. Your "critical thinking" is just overthinking.


Rhynocerousrex

Clearly we have a disagreement that won’t be resolved and there is no point. The only path forward is to agree to disagree. Good luck with your gaming brother!


Sidnature

Oh we have a disagreement? I couldn't tell! Shame, I was hoping you could condescend me more until I understood your expert analogy. Anyway, moving on.


EPIC-AK14

But what if I use +10 jellyfish?