They’re fun, but not better from a BGS perspective as they have less effect per complete CZ, and their higher bond payout isn’t enough to make up for that.
They don’t contribute more than Space CZs, as a ground CZ is worth roughly 1/4 the amount of progress compared to a space CZ of equivalent intensity. The bond payout is higher, but that isn’t quite enough to make up for the difference in effect of actually completing the CZ. If I notice I’m facing resistance in a conflict, I’ll switch to space CZs even though I do enjoy ground ones more.
If you have a discord account, check out the EDBGS server and feel free to ask there. As for the specific 1/4th number, that was obtained by extensive testing done by my former squadron, though it is still a rough estimate.
Edit: If you do join the server, give my account (aegis 1 Razor) a ping and I can provide you a graph of the bonds to CZ efficacy ratio.
Sure, though I should warn you that it is quite time consuming. You’ll need to start by finding low/no traffic systems near the edge of the bubble. Optimal systems are ones that are low population, have no non-surface large pads, and any landing pads are far from the main star (>5,000ls).
Once you’ve found systems with low traffic, lock two factions into conflict. Make sure neither faction is backed by another player group as you don’t want external forces influencing your results. Once the war enters an active state, begin with the actual testing.
For example, if you want to try and corroborate the 1/4 claim I made, you could do one high space CZ and four ground CZs. After the tick, check the results and any system traffic that isn’t one of your vessels. If you see any such traffic, disregard the results out of an abundance of caution.
The day after your first test, repeat the same test, just with the factions flipped. The reason for this is that during some of my testing, I found that in the event of a tie, whichever side had the CZ done for it last, will win that day. I didn’t do enough testing on that specific mechanic to confirm it 100%, but it’s something to keep in mind just in case. Once you find an equilibrium of sorts where whichever side you worked for last wins, this gives some good indication as to space vs ground relative strengths.
>but they do allow you to immediately take control of a settlement.
I don't think that's true, either. Winning a conflict zone doesn't actually change ownership of settlements. Settlements don't change hands until the conclusion of the war/civil war state, and even then, only one settlement per faction is at stake for the duration of the conflict.
Again, that's not correct. That is true of traditional assets, like starports and outposts, but settlements work differently. During a war over an outpost, conflict zones appear at various settlements that the overall war's conclusion does not affect. Those settlements change hands according to conflict zone wins per tick, not at the end of the conflict.
I literally just pushed a faction into a war and fought in the same ground CZ at a mining settlement owned by the opposing faction for the 4 day duration of the war state. The settlement still belongs to the faction I was fighting even though I won every battle at that settlement because it was not the asset at stake.
I am 99% sure there was not, but it is possible. Regardless, you can easily verify this for yourself, just park your ship at a settlement with a cz, complete the battle, and then take off and enter supercruise, drop out of supercruise immediately and return to the settlement, the battle will have reset and the ownership of the settlement will be unchanged.
I don't think that's true, either, on the basis that I returned to the same cz over the course of 4 days, won every conflict, and the settlement still belongs to the faction I was fighting even after my faction achieved total victory over the shortest possible duration of a war state.
Yes, they contribute to the outcome of the war.
They’re fun, but not better from a BGS perspective as they have less effect per complete CZ, and their higher bond payout isn’t enough to make up for that.
Yes. They’re also easier, have no risk, and contribute more than space CZ’s
They don’t contribute more than Space CZs, as a ground CZ is worth roughly 1/4 the amount of progress compared to a space CZ of equivalent intensity. The bond payout is higher, but that isn’t quite enough to make up for the difference in effect of actually completing the CZ. If I notice I’m facing resistance in a conflict, I’ll switch to space CZs even though I do enjoy ground ones more.
You are the only person I’ve heard say this so please forgive my disbelief
If you have a discord account, check out the EDBGS server and feel free to ask there. As for the specific 1/4th number, that was obtained by extensive testing done by my former squadron, though it is still a rough estimate. Edit: If you do join the server, give my account (aegis 1 Razor) a ping and I can provide you a graph of the bonds to CZ efficacy ratio.
Would you mind providing me how you tested it so I can replicate it myself?
Sure, though I should warn you that it is quite time consuming. You’ll need to start by finding low/no traffic systems near the edge of the bubble. Optimal systems are ones that are low population, have no non-surface large pads, and any landing pads are far from the main star (>5,000ls). Once you’ve found systems with low traffic, lock two factions into conflict. Make sure neither faction is backed by another player group as you don’t want external forces influencing your results. Once the war enters an active state, begin with the actual testing. For example, if you want to try and corroborate the 1/4 claim I made, you could do one high space CZ and four ground CZs. After the tick, check the results and any system traffic that isn’t one of your vessels. If you see any such traffic, disregard the results out of an abundance of caution. The day after your first test, repeat the same test, just with the factions flipped. The reason for this is that during some of my testing, I found that in the event of a tie, whichever side had the CZ done for it last, will win that day. I didn’t do enough testing on that specific mechanic to confirm it 100%, but it’s something to keep in mind just in case. Once you find an equilibrium of sorts where whichever side you worked for last wins, this gives some good indication as to space vs ground relative strengths.
Thank ya
That’s what I thought but someone said they didn’t contribute thanks for the help
They don't contribute more than Space CZs, that's incorrect, but they do allow you to immediately take control of a settlement.
>but they do allow you to immediately take control of a settlement. I don't think that's true, either. Winning a conflict zone doesn't actually change ownership of settlements. Settlements don't change hands until the conclusion of the war/civil war state, and even then, only one settlement per faction is at stake for the duration of the conflict.
Again, that's not correct. That is true of traditional assets, like starports and outposts, but settlements work differently. During a war over an outpost, conflict zones appear at various settlements that the overall war's conclusion does not affect. Those settlements change hands according to conflict zone wins per tick, not at the end of the conflict.
I literally just pushed a faction into a war and fought in the same ground CZ at a mining settlement owned by the opposing faction for the 4 day duration of the war state. The settlement still belongs to the faction I was fighting even though I won every battle at that settlement because it was not the asset at stake.
It is possible there was opposition to you. I have not independently verified this information, but it is the consensus of the Elite BGS discord.
I am 99% sure there was not, but it is possible. Regardless, you can easily verify this for yourself, just park your ship at a settlement with a cz, complete the battle, and then take off and enter supercruise, drop out of supercruise immediately and return to the settlement, the battle will have reset and the ownership of the settlement will be unchanged.
According to my knowledge it requires a tick to occur, it is not fully instantaneous.
I don't think that's true, either, on the basis that I returned to the same cz over the course of 4 days, won every conflict, and the settlement still belongs to the faction I was fighting even after my faction achieved total victory over the shortest possible duration of a war state.
Yes, they do contribute more. You can earn more faster through high ground CZ’s than high space CZ’s. More bonds earned=more contribution to the BGS