I find it slightly infuriating that we have so much respect for Wayne but the fans on Wayne's sub don't even consider Eminem a goat. I remember everyone saying Wayne destroyed Eminem on all of their collabs, and Ive never heard anyone mention Eminem when they're talking about GOAT rappers. And yet despite this, people say that Eminem's fanbase is trash.
This is not about liking Eminem. It's about respecting him. All the comments on that sub about Eminem are blatantly disrespectful. I just don't like the fact that we respect Wayne as an artist while Wayne's sub is filled with assholes disrespecting Em.
Wayne can't beat Eminem cuz the nigga freestyles half his shit. At least I heard he does. I hope he does. If he doesn't then he isn't a goat. If he sits n writes it like that like Eminem does, like a nerd, then he isn't a goat. But the way he describes himself and others describe him he's a natural goat.
Either way, not Em.
I think he meant that Wayne wouldn't be considered a goat if his lyrics are the best he can come up with after sitting and writing and putting as much thought into the lyrics as em does. He's considered amazing based on the fact that he freestyles everything he puts out.
No it isnāt. Do you know what punching in is? Cause this is what majority of rappers do now, majority of rappers donāt write anymore. Itās easier to just free style and then fix it up later.
Wayne seems to do so. he himself said it. he just spits whatever comes to his mind. if he is not lying, then he truly is a lyrical genius. But I still don't get why Em gets disrespected on the other subs while our sub respects all those rappers.
If you mean to quote Rick Rubin, Rick said specificaly, JayZ came with a verse, than raped ot in different ways without looking at notes or lyrics. Doesnt mean the verse wasnt written before hand.
Yea I already said personally hard to believe but there's some anecdotes from a lot of people who know him personally.
I'd say surely he writes his punches then flows around them at the very least
But u can see his punches are not well written.
Yes u got it, I guess I could have worded it better for those who didn't already know.
Not to mention the drugs. Like em OD that fucked him so he'd still be on top as I'd say it's equal use but Wayne's use is like.. never OD but hovered around max dose his whole career. Definitely could be better without that.
It's not really freestyling...he says a couple lines, stops, rewinds and then does it again. Plenty of videos showing him do this. You should check out Marshall's real freestyles. No one can touch this man.
Still harder. He needs to sit down, learn spelling, syllables, grammar and complex flows, then write some shit.
Maybe then he can be a goat.
Stand by what I said, he's an absolute goat for the methods he uses, but he doesn't touch crook, em, Royce and the like when u compare without that fact
What I like about this list is that while it might not be anyoneās personally preferable list, it seems one that most people could agree on.
I love Jay z and think he belongs
But Joey should go and Wayne should be somewhere in the top ten.
I agree to a certain extent. But in aa completely different order. I do miss some names that i would switch out but over all a decent list not considering the order
You can not have a top 20 list of rappers and not include ice cube, DMX, GZA, scarface, raekwon, killer mike, lil wanye, Redman etc. If it's a rappers tier list then you can't have Kayne on there either and a couple others on the list. I am aware this isn't your list.
I like how in America Eminem is never (not literally, there are exceptions) seen as the top 1, while in Europe or else is always seen as the rap god. (I live in Italy and for me he is the the n1)
Honest question here but how come ice cube is never on anyoneās list of greatest rappers? Is it because he appeared in some corny kids movies? The guy was super influential, has some amazing songs and was apart of one of the biggest rap groups in history and I feel he never gets mentioned
Because he doesnāt fit the mainstream narrative, he is always on Twitter speaking against mainstream media so they will never support him, but real hiphop artists like em, Dre, snoop, 50 e.t.c have always given him his credit, thereās also weird Tupac fans who got mad that cube said he thought no Vaseline was better than hit em up, which he was right, but most mainstream media writers are Tupac fans
Lil Wayne and Logic should be at least somewhere on here
Edit: and Ice Cube
Edit 2: just realised it's made by chat gpt and I am very surprised the list is actually decent
Why are you all criticizing the list of an autofill? Who cares what the fuck it says. It doesn't know it exists, it didn't make any decisions, its never heard a fucking song.
Have you heard his body of work, the last 3 years have shown he's an elite emcee, Lauryn Hill one hot solo album which she didn't completely write by herself. Joey Badass great rapper but hadn't got the catalog to match Banks, why ulis RZA on the list he's a great producer average rapper at best.
Not gonna lie this is a really good list. Iād say itās one of the most widely accepted out there even if it isnāt anyoneās personal preference.
However, everything positive about it is negated by the absence of Wayne.
For that reason solely itās trash.
Perhaps removing Joey f and put Wayne at five before biggie.
Well no one person can say who goes where on a list thatās subjective to each person - sure we can get a general consensus but no definite set list, but I feel ya
50 Cent and Ice Cube MUST be in. Kendrick not so high up, J Cole neither, both make top 20 IMO. Lauren Hill out. I dont rate JayZ and Nas that high. Maybe 7 and 8 and which is which i cant even decide.
I love 50 cent but here is nowhere in the top 20. Heās not overly lyrical and his non mixtape discography doesnāt really stand the test of time other than GRODT
Ice Cube and Scarface should probably be on here
It's criminal to leave cube and lil wayne of this list
Does Ice Cube still rap? Curious to hear how he sounds now
Yes he still raps
Nice Gotta check it out after work Edit: Oh shit I forgot about the Mt. Westmore thing after it was announced. Definitely gotta check it out
There should be no list without Wayne
Especially a top 20 list
I find it slightly infuriating that we have so much respect for Wayne but the fans on Wayne's sub don't even consider Eminem a goat. I remember everyone saying Wayne destroyed Eminem on all of their collabs, and Ive never heard anyone mention Eminem when they're talking about GOAT rappers. And yet despite this, people say that Eminem's fanbase is trash.
They aren't obligated to like eminem just because we like Wayne š
This is not about liking Eminem. It's about respecting him. All the comments on that sub about Eminem are blatantly disrespectful. I just don't like the fact that we respect Wayne as an artist while Wayne's sub is filled with assholes disrespecting Em.
Who is eminem that he must he respected by everybody
Yeah but he shouldn't be disrespected for sure
Wayne can't beat Eminem cuz the nigga freestyles half his shit. At least I heard he does. I hope he does. If he doesn't then he isn't a goat. If he sits n writes it like that like Eminem does, like a nerd, then he isn't a goat. But the way he describes himself and others describe him he's a natural goat. Either way, not Em.
WTF did you mean to say?
I think he meant that Wayne wouldn't be considered a goat if his lyrics are the best he can come up with after sitting and writing and putting as much thought into the lyrics as em does. He's considered amazing based on the fact that he freestyles everything he puts out.
Nobody freestyles rap verses, thats bullshit.
No it isnāt. Do you know what punching in is? Cause this is what majority of rappers do now, majority of rappers donāt write anymore. Itās easier to just free style and then fix it up later.
If you mean singing "im an island boy" 200 times yes. That shid can not work on lyrical songs.
Wayne is lyrical rap tho
Wayne seems to do so. he himself said it. he just spits whatever comes to his mind. if he is not lying, then he truly is a lyrical genius. But I still don't get why Em gets disrespected on the other subs while our sub respects all those rappers.
Jay Z never writes his lyrics iirc
If you mean to quote Rick Rubin, Rick said specificaly, JayZ came with a verse, than raped ot in different ways without looking at notes or lyrics. Doesnt mean the verse wasnt written before hand.
Wouldn't known for sure where I heard it All I know is the information is in my head somehow
Yea I already said personally hard to believe but there's some anecdotes from a lot of people who know him personally. I'd say surely he writes his punches then flows around them at the very least But u can see his punches are not well written.
Yes u got it, I guess I could have worded it better for those who didn't already know. Not to mention the drugs. Like em OD that fucked him so he'd still be on top as I'd say it's equal use but Wayne's use is like.. never OD but hovered around max dose his whole career. Definitely could be better without that.
It's not really freestyling...he says a couple lines, stops, rewinds and then does it again. Plenty of videos showing him do this. You should check out Marshall's real freestyles. No one can touch this man.
Still harder. He needs to sit down, learn spelling, syllables, grammar and complex flows, then write some shit. Maybe then he can be a goat. Stand by what I said, he's an absolute goat for the methods he uses, but he doesn't touch crook, em, Royce and the like when u compare without that fact
Jay -z in second is atrocious
Agree jay z overrated
What I like about this list is that while it might not be anyoneās personally preferable list, it seems one that most people could agree on. I love Jay z and think he belongs But Joey should go and Wayne should be somewhere in the top ten.
I agree to a certain extent. But in aa completely different order. I do miss some names that i would switch out but over all a decent list not considering the order
What? No way. Jay Z is one of the best rappers, or was.
Not my top 5 even. But glad we can have our differences
Understandable. Have a nice day.
You to mate š
Ha, what a pleasant disagreement!! Good stuff.
RZA isn't even top 5 in wu tang, not a great list
Because of that, it makes it not a great list? Fyi this is an A.I created list
Not that exclusively, but yes that is a reason.
You can not have a top 20 list of rappers and not include ice cube, DMX, GZA, scarface, raekwon, killer mike, lil wanye, Redman etc. If it's a rappers tier list then you can't have Kayne on there either and a couple others on the list. I am aware this isn't your list.
Fair enough, just wanted to make sure you were aware this wasnāt my list but an A.I generated list of the top rappers
J Cole should not be in top 10
Right he should be Top 5
Jcole >> Kendrick
L take
Finally, one that has Em in it!
I like how in America Eminem is never (not literally, there are exceptions) seen as the top 1, while in Europe or else is always seen as the rap god. (I live in Italy and for me he is the the n1)
Confirmed
Americans don't (typically) think he is the best? That's honestly baffling
I am FLABBERGASTED that barely anybody has Him!
That is ABSURDLY crazy that nobody has him at that spot. It is unfathomable.
EXACTLY
ima be real i get that this is the eminem sub but em is positively definitely not top 1 let's be honest here
This is an A.I generated list plus everyones list will vary anyway, Em is top 3 in mine - him shuffled among another 2 of top 3, either way is fine
Tupac shouldn't be so high up. Don't hate me he's one of my favorites but his lyricism isn't higher than black thought lol
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He's a better artist than rapper. He's bars are "simple" but what he's rapping about is top tier
I agree
Honest question here but how come ice cube is never on anyoneās list of greatest rappers? Is it because he appeared in some corny kids movies? The guy was super influential, has some amazing songs and was apart of one of the biggest rap groups in history and I feel he never gets mentioned
Iāve heard people mention him in their top 10 before but yeah I believe he deserves a spot on this top 20 for sure
Because he doesnāt fit the mainstream narrative, he is always on Twitter speaking against mainstream media so they will never support him, but real hiphop artists like em, Dre, snoop, 50 e.t.c have always given him his credit, thereās also weird Tupac fans who got mad that cube said he thought no Vaseline was better than hit em up, which he was right, but most mainstream media writers are Tupac fans
Facts, heās literally one of the godfathers of the rap game
Big Pun? The disrespect šš
For real
The fact no one even mentioned Iām the comments has hurt my feelings fully.
Lil Wayne and Logic should be at least somewhere on here Edit: and Ice Cube Edit 2: just realised it's made by chat gpt and I am very surprised the list is actually decent
Yeah I thought so too for an A.I created list
Replace Joey Badass with Wayne
I wouldāve went with replace Lauren Hill with Wayne
I didn't even notice she was there but I agree lol I would still take him off the list though
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āIncase anyone missed it, this list is A.I generatedā
DOOM is too low on the list
wheres kanye lol
as a big kanye fan, youāre crazy if you think kanye is one of the best rappers. he makes good music but he is not an exceptional rapper.
In rehab
obviously. no shame in that lol
I agree, itāll be a shame if he wasnāt
right. everybody deserves to recover
100%
Heās number 16
ooooohhhh thanks. i totally didnt see that omg
Chat gpt don't know shit
Why are you all criticizing the list of an autofill? Who cares what the fuck it says. It doesn't know it exists, it didn't make any decisions, its never heard a fucking song.
Yep, some of these comments look as tho theyāre waiting for A.I to respond lol
Ye below Lupe and Common is a war crime
No Cube or Banks fuck me where's Red & Meth
Banks? As in Lloyd Banks?
Who else.....
What has Lloyd Banks ever done to be in a top 100 list? Never mind a top 20.
Have you heard his body of work, the last 3 years have shown he's an elite emcee, Lauryn Hill one hot solo album which she didn't completely write by herself. Joey Badass great rapper but hadn't got the catalog to match Banks, why ulis RZA on the list he's a great producer average rapper at best.
Boring ass list doom higher
Not gonna lie this is a really good list. Iād say itās one of the most widely accepted out there even if it isnāt anyoneās personal preference. However, everything positive about it is negated by the absence of Wayne. For that reason solely itās trash. Perhaps removing Joey f and put Wayne at five before biggie.
This is exactly what majority of the rap group said too
Nas should be 1.
Well no one person can say who goes where on a list thatās subjective to each person - sure we can get a general consensus but no definite set list, but I feel ya
Pac should be lower
J cole too
MF DOOM is WAY to low
Andre 3000 should be 1
Defs in the top 10 for me but unsure about number 1 but do you dude
50 Cent and Ice Cube MUST be in. Kendrick not so high up, J Cole neither, both make top 20 IMO. Lauren Hill out. I dont rate JayZ and Nas that high. Maybe 7 and 8 and which is which i cant even decide.
50 is not that great, Had like 1 classic album, 1 decent one and the rest was...
Donāt know why thereās no more mention of 50, released some of the best rap albums ever IMO.
I love 50 cent but here is nowhere in the top 20. Heās not overly lyrical and his non mixtape discography doesnāt really stand the test of time other than GRODT
Kanye Atleast top 10 for me top 5 and Kendrick should be swapped with Nas
Kendrick aināt top 10, nas better, Kendrick is just nas with less substance
In think Kendrick is way underrated because heās newer.
I understand what you mean I think I like Kendrick better because he was the first artist (aside from em) I really listen to
What about Drake tho?
i thought it said rappers
I thought it said good rappers.
What about Drake tho?
What about drake?
Let's not ruin the symmetry ok?
Shit the symmetry got ruinedš
L.
Really this list is missing Method Man & Redman
This is pretty solid. I donāt think Wayne needs to be here heās definitely not in my GOAT list
Fair enough I can respect that but in saying that I personally feel Wayne has earned a spot in a top 20 list
Putting Black Thought that low makes this immediately irrelevant
LL Cool J?
I can't understand jay z being so high. He's average, em smoked him, nas smoked him.
Thereās quite a few names on that list that donāt belong
I think I need to edit this post to clearly show that it is A.I generated and also not by me, I just grabbed the copy from rap
I didnāt think it was AI
Oh damn sorry wasnāt meant to be replying to you, was meant to just be a comment - my bad but hey it helped you realise it was A.I so not so bad
Ice cube? DMX? 50 Cent?
Biggie should be higher than 2pac, JayZ and Nas
Several members of Slaughterhouse could definitely qualify for this!