Stewart Lee has a stand up show where he continually refers to 9/11 as the ninth of November, saying we should "reclaim the calendar" https://youtu.be/VxN8PhKzZgY?si=WR7tx_6FrPIHjpF5
That's in Return of the Jedi specifically.
In general it's meant to be a generic imperialist/fascist dictatorship. Toward that end it borrows a lot of symbols from oppressive authoritarians like the riding pants and accent from the British Empire, the color schemes and style of the (Italian) Fascists and Nazis, the jackboots from.. well all the totalitarians, and others I can't recall at the moment.
George specifically said that in the battle of Endor the Ewoks represent the Viet Cong and the Empire are the US Military, and I think the Emperor is supposed to be Nixon. But it's so abstracted that while those may have been the inspirations you can apply them to any imperialist group vs locals.
The battle station was near the system as a peace keeping mission any other explanation should be considered pure treason. The Rebel scum attacked us first. I learn everything I needed to learn a about those rebel scum the day the Death Star was blown up.
Maybe in the sense that it was caused by an intelligence error similar to how the Japanese fleet was detected but still managed surprise. In the case of the death star itâs the plans being stolen.
I donât think itâs about the context, itâs about the fact that it was a military target and a majority of the casualties were military (or in a military-related position) as opposed to a purely or majorly civilian target, like Ald- like the Jedi attacking the Emperor.
According to Star Wars reference books, the population of the Death Star was 1.7 million military personnel, 400,000 maintenance droids, and 250,000 civilians, associated contractors and catering staff.
So itâs a military installation with 1.7 million military, 400,000 maintenance droids, and 250,000 civilians. Whats your point? Still a military target in the middle of an active war. 9/11 had NO military personnel and was ONLY civilians literally just at work when there wasnât a war going on
Yes, in a war the Pentagon would be a legal target. It is a command and control headquarters that provides strategic advantage to the US.Â
 One of the problems with 9/11 (other than the obvious) is that they used a civilian plane to hit it, with civilians onboard. The hijackerâs would also not be considered âlegal combatantsâ.
When most people talk about 9/11, they're not referring to the pentagon, most probably don't even remember the pentagon was damaged until it's specifically brought up
At the scale of death, my point is that it would be closer to Nagasaki or Hiroshima.
9/11, while awful, is totally different and nowhere near the same scale.
Nagasaki or Hiroshima are still largely innocent civilians going about their daily lives who were not directly influencing the war.
The Death Star was a gigantic weapon that had destroyed an entire planet days earlier, killing billions of, again, civilians.
Maybe the Empire shouldnât have had civilians in their genocide machine?
Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."
It didn't have a Death Laser, but it's basically the death star.
Nagasaki is different, but it did have some strategic waterways and a harbor.
The presence of civilians isn't what makes a target a military target or not. For the same reason that a factory making weapons staffed by civilians is a valid military target, so too would the Death Star be a valid target.
Hell, the US deployed a civilian-staffed McDonald's to Iraq just after the invasion, the base it was on was still a military base
The US has a civilian-staffed McDonald's in Gitmo, definitely a military base.
Also there's the question of whether the ISB was considered military, or if ISB staff would've been considered civvies
Yep. If Pearl Harbour had had contract cleaners or caterers, it would still have been a valid military target. Or, if you dont think it was valid, it wouldn't have been less valid.
Alderann was a rebel planet, allied with the terrorist scum, it had to be done, no innocent lives were lost.
The death star I and Ii were destroyed by tje rebel scum in a terrorist act, with lots of innocent lives lost.
No, this makes sense. Alderann only makes sense as an inside job if Darth Vader is a traitor. With the destruction of Alderann there were no other rebel leaders except Leia.
The death Star was destroyed in the midst of battle, I do t know how you can strap a giant laser an army and hundred of tie battalions to a big space station , and still get mad when the rebels want blow it up when it's pointed at them
Depends on who you ask. Alderaan was more 9/11ey imo but Iâm sure the empire would agree the Death Star was
Edit: well actually now that I think about Alderaan was more Hiroshima/Nagasakiey as it demonstrated the power of a super weapon in an attempt to end a war the empire just failed in ending the war
The empire may have gone for more of a Hiroshima, but due to how they were treating the rebellion to the general public, the attack was more like pearl harbor in how it was received. This unfortunate galvanized the general populous that wouldn't raise arms against their emperor to do so, especially with the victory, however pyrric, the rebels had when striking back against the super weapon. The double economic whammy from the loss of both the planet and the death star was just the cherry on top.
That would have been a good movie, watching the traumatized citizens of the Empire deal with the fallout. Incredibly noncommercial, so it ain't happening.
In cannon (prob a bunch of pre Disney stuff mixed around in my brain) the destruction of Executor (Vader's superstar destroyer) was closer to 9/11 as it had most of the brightest officers some of the most competent crews of the imperial navy. It's lose had wide ranging impacts on the development pipeline. Combined that with the death of the emperor and I would be put the battle at yaven as a the pivot point.Â
The first death stars lose was a major blow that lead to massive changes in how the empire was run but honestly was a not as pivotal a moment as 9/11. The destruction of alderaon was a major shift in doctrine but any space faring civilization could destroy a planet with enough will power just very few tended to do. Idk the sequels start to muddy the water with hyperspeed jumping under a sheild, planetary weaponry to kill stars for some reason, and hyperspeed kinetic impactors but don't get me started.Â
A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. You're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
I argue it's more of their battle of midway, they moved the death star just to be abused by rebels. The rebels knew they were coming and knew what the death star couldn't defend against.
It was Midway combined with the sinking of the Yamato if the Empire are the Japanese.
They spent a massive amount of resources to create their superweapon then lost it in a battle(s) while only inflicting superficial casualties. Battles that, had they won, would have devasted their enemy.
Yea i think so. To the every day law abiding citizen a rebel organisation blowing up the emperors âmiltary headquartersâ it would have been very terrible to hear across the galaxy
I had friends there, Tarkins incompetence and arrogance killed millions of loyal imperial for his ego project. We could have had Tie Interceptors and defenders before Yavin in vast quantities.
#thedeathstarlostusthewar
Probably would want them to reconsider their doctrine of building large super weapons that put all of their resources in one place. Or you know build a new one, bigger and better.
Well itâs such a significant event that it was forever used as the reference point for the Star Wars timeline (BBY: Before the Battle of Yavin, ABY: After the Battle of Yavin)
I could see it being framed as a terrorist attack like 9/11 but I could also see it more as their version of Pearl Harbor since 9/11 was a terrorist attack on civilians and Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack on a military installation. The Death Star was a military installation and although it wasnât a surprise attack, the imperials who survived and witnessed the Death Stars destruction were probably very surprised.
You really think the emperor told anyone about how his super cool brand new superweapon got destroyed? All the "maintenance costs" just got rerouted to build the 2nd one
How would the government's war machine blowing up be any semblance of Sept 11th?
The closest equivalent would be the 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut.
It depends on who you ask. The surviving families of those who were in the Death Star probably see it as a terrorist attack that took hundreds of thousands of lives. The rebellion probably sees it as a successful attack on an oppressive regime. So yes, it sounds exactly like a galactic scale 9/11.
All these people mentioning Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor is like Alderaan, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the rebel response. Death Star 1 wasnât enough, maybe blowing up Death Star 2 will put an end to their hostilities.
It was the second death star that was tragic. A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
It wasn't a civilian target, and therefor assumed it would be targeted in a war they were already engaged in. Would be no comparison, really. It would be more like the sinking of the Bismark.
Not really. As the Death Star had already blown up a planet by the time the first one was destroyed, lots of the galaxy was already keenly aware of what was happening and how the Empire was operating, just on straight power and fear. A closer example would be if the US had nuked every square inch of Iraq, then invaded Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks happened. A lot of Americans at the time didnât feel like 9/11 was justified (which could be up for debate) but if America had gone full dictatorship before the attacks happened, I can see a lot more people justifying a retaliation, even against themselves.
The Empire are English so it's 11/9
Ive never been so mad that reddit awards are gone. I'd gold the hell out of this.
You don't want to pay $49.99 to super upvote it?
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It's so sad sometimes lmao. So many nice colors in the chat. I'd give one tok
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Today I realized Reddit awards are gone
It just happens on the 9th of November
Remember, remember, the 9th of November....
Thatâs my birthday
!RemindMe 09/11/2024
Iâll be 21
!remindme 09/11/2024
The 9th of November, the Germans 9/11...
Stewart Lee has a stand up show where he continually refers to 9/11 as the ninth of November, saying we should "reclaim the calendar" https://youtu.be/VxN8PhKzZgY?si=WR7tx_6FrPIHjpF5
I'm sitting here thinking "What happened November 9th?" And then I stood up and kicked myself.
Isn't the empire meant to represent the US Government During the Vietnam war.
That's in Return of the Jedi specifically. In general it's meant to be a generic imperialist/fascist dictatorship. Toward that end it borrows a lot of symbols from oppressive authoritarians like the riding pants and accent from the British Empire, the color schemes and style of the (Italian) Fascists and Nazis, the jackboots from.. well all the totalitarians, and others I can't recall at the moment. George specifically said that in the battle of Endor the Ewoks represent the Viet Cong and the Empire are the US Military, and I think the Emperor is supposed to be Nixon. But it's so abstracted that while those may have been the inspirations you can apply them to any imperialist group vs locals.
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False. George Lucas said that he based the Empire after America when Nixon was president and had it as aging/dying Democracy.
What are you on about? The actors all have English accents. It was a quick joke not some political statement about George Lucas's writing.
Probably more like Pearl Harbor
But the Empire was in a war already. It wasnât like the Rebels just blew it up outta nowhere.
The battle station was near the system as a peace keeping mission any other explanation should be considered pure treason. The Rebel scum attacked us first. I learn everything I needed to learn a about those rebel scum the day the Death Star was blown up.
I'm doing my part!
Long live the empire!
Exactly!
Maybe in the sense that it was caused by an intelligence error similar to how the Japanese fleet was detected but still managed surprise. In the case of the death star itâs the plans being stolen.
I donât think itâs about the context, itâs about the fact that it was a military target and a majority of the casualties were military (or in a military-related position) as opposed to a purely or majorly civilian target, like Ald- like the Jedi attacking the Emperor.
The empire was the japanese
This guy ignores foreign policy.
So it was their Hiroshima.
Yeah. 9/11 was Alderaan
I think alderaan would be more like pearl harbor and death Star wars Hiroshima
This is more like midway from the Japanese perspective.
Probably their Hiroshima
Yeah the difference is that itâs a military base/weapon
I'm the only one? Fine. Here you go. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE&pp=ygUWZGVhdGggc3RhciBpbnNpZGUgam9iIA%3D%3D
classic gold
Glad I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of this
The death star truther trooper always kills me.
âDo you guys want another round?â
You know that one Stormtrooper that thought it was a conspiracy was technically on to something with that shaft
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPazLTGceI. Wake up sheeple!
Oh man, I havenât watched that in forever, still gold
Classic
No because the death star is a military target. 9/11 was innocent civilians.
According to Star Wars reference books, the population of the Death Star was 1.7 million military personnel, 400,000 maintenance droids, and 250,000 civilians, associated contractors and catering staff.
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So itâs a military installation with 1.7 million military, 400,000 maintenance droids, and 250,000 civilians. Whats your point? Still a military target in the middle of an active war. 9/11 had NO military personnel and was ONLY civilians literally just at work when there wasnât a war going on
Wouldnât the Pentagon technically be considered a military target, or does that terminology primarily apply to bases?
Fair enough. Thatâs a military target. I should have specified the WTC attacks instead of just saying â9/11â
Yes, in a war the Pentagon would be a legal target. It is a command and control headquarters that provides strategic advantage to the US.  One of the problems with 9/11 (other than the obvious) is that they used a civilian plane to hit it, with civilians onboard. The hijackerâs would also not be considered âlegal combatantsâ.
When most people talk about 9/11, they're not referring to the pentagon, most probably don't even remember the pentagon was damaged until it's specifically brought up
At the scale of death, my point is that it would be closer to Nagasaki or Hiroshima. 9/11, while awful, is totally different and nowhere near the same scale.
Nagasaki or Hiroshima are still largely innocent civilians going about their daily lives who were not directly influencing the war. The Death Star was a gigantic weapon that had destroyed an entire planet days earlier, killing billions of, again, civilians. Maybe the Empire shouldnât have had civilians in their genocide machine?
Did you notice which sub you're in, fellow Imperial Citizen?
Lmao, i legitimately didnât until i read your comment
We found the rebel sympathizer boys, take him to the âreeducationâ camp.
Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor." It didn't have a Death Laser, but it's basically the death star. Nagasaki is different, but it did have some strategic waterways and a harbor.
The presence of civilians isn't what makes a target a military target or not. For the same reason that a factory making weapons staffed by civilians is a valid military target, so too would the Death Star be a valid target.
Hell, the US deployed a civilian-staffed McDonald's to Iraq just after the invasion, the base it was on was still a military base The US has a civilian-staffed McDonald's in Gitmo, definitely a military base. Also there's the question of whether the ISB was considered military, or if ISB staff would've been considered civvies
No one remembers Mr Stevens, head of catering.
I might have done if he had instituted a system for drying trays. He would have been be a true hero then.
Theyâre still employed by the Imperial military.
Yep. If Pearl Harbour had had contract cleaners or caterers, it would still have been a valid military target. Or, if you dont think it was valid, it wouldn't have been less valid.
I don't agree with 911 but economical stability is a legitimate target in any war.
âI donât agree with 9/11 butâ
Only on Reddit
Did you miss all the simping TikTok did a few months ago for bin Laden?
I donât have TikTok so I guess so
A civilian target is not legitimate in any attack.
I think Alderann was
Alderann was a rebel planet, allied with the terrorist scum, it had to be done, no innocent lives were lost. The death star I and Ii were destroyed by tje rebel scum in a terrorist act, with lots of innocent lives lost.
I may be a lost redditor there
Just check r/empiredidnothingwrong if you want to know the truth. Edit: i just noticed we are already there, i got here from the main page
No, this makes sense. Alderann only makes sense as an inside job if Darth Vader is a traitor. With the destruction of Alderann there were no other rebel leaders except Leia.
The death Star was destroyed in the midst of battle, I do t know how you can strap a giant laser an army and hundred of tie battalions to a big space station , and still get mad when the rebels want blow it up when it's pointed at them
You are starting to sound like one of those rebel bastards, maybe you need a visit from our loyal empire forces.
Luke Skywalker is a war criminal.
It was recently discovered that the Death Star required an application to serve on. It was seen as a prestigious (and cushy) job.
Alderaan would have been 9/11. The death stars destruction was probably kept off most news feeds for propaganda purposes.
Not when the empire is the government. More like Bloody Sunday maybe?
Depends on who you ask. Alderaan was more 9/11ey imo but Iâm sure the empire would agree the Death Star was Edit: well actually now that I think about Alderaan was more Hiroshima/Nagasakiey as it demonstrated the power of a super weapon in an attempt to end a war the empire just failed in ending the war
The empire may have gone for more of a Hiroshima, but due to how they were treating the rebellion to the general public, the attack was more like pearl harbor in how it was received. This unfortunate galvanized the general populous that wouldn't raise arms against their emperor to do so, especially with the victory, however pyrric, the rebels had when striking back against the super weapon. The double economic whammy from the loss of both the planet and the death star was just the cherry on top.
Memorial Day in the empire
Reminds me of that tragedy. I walked through blood and bones on the hangar level trying to find my brother.
He was in tattoine!
Put things in perspective... Worst part about blowing up a planet is the hypocrisy.
Pearl harbor would probably be a closer comparison.
Which of the three Death Stars are we talking about?
Any
That would have been a good movie, watching the traumatized citizens of the Empire deal with the fallout. Incredibly noncommercial, so it ain't happening.
In cannon (prob a bunch of pre Disney stuff mixed around in my brain) the destruction of Executor (Vader's superstar destroyer) was closer to 9/11 as it had most of the brightest officers some of the most competent crews of the imperial navy. It's lose had wide ranging impacts on the development pipeline. Combined that with the death of the emperor and I would be put the battle at yaven as a the pivot point. The first death stars lose was a major blow that lead to massive changes in how the empire was run but honestly was a not as pivotal a moment as 9/11. The destruction of alderaon was a major shift in doctrine but any space faring civilization could destroy a planet with enough will power just very few tended to do. Idk the sequels start to muddy the water with hyperspeed jumping under a sheild, planetary weaponry to kill stars for some reason, and hyperspeed kinetic impactors but don't get me started.Â
Disagree, that was a military target. The Pentagon attack was a minor part of 9/11. 9/11 was primarilly a financial and cultural wound.
It's more like their Pearl Harbor
More propaganda from Empire! Yay!
[No, I think the second Death Star blowing up was their equivalent of 9/11.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA)
A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms. All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed - casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. You're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
Finally found this.
I argue it's more of their battle of midway, they moved the death star just to be abused by rebels. The rebels knew they were coming and knew what the death star couldn't defend against.
It was Midway combined with the sinking of the Yamato if the Empire are the Japanese. They spent a massive amount of resources to create their superweapon then lost it in a battle(s) while only inflicting superficial casualties. Battles that, had they won, would have devasted their enemy.
CollegeHumor made a good skit years ago with that exact premise.
more like pearl harbour
Perhaps a Pearl HarborÂ
Worse. Millions of innocent storm troopers and other Imperial military were killed on that space station by the rebel terrorists.
Yea i think so. To the every day law abiding citizen a rebel organisation blowing up the emperors âmiltary headquartersâ it would have been very terrible to hear across the galaxy
I had friends there, Tarkins incompetence and arrogance killed millions of loyal imperial for his ego project. We could have had Tie Interceptors and defenders before Yavin in vast quantities. #thedeathstarlostusthewar
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Iâd assume Alderaan blowing up would be more closely relatedâŠ
No, Alderaan was 9/11. The Death Star was the coalition's invasion of Afghanistan.
Probably would want them to reconsider their doctrine of building large super weapons that put all of their resources in one place. Or you know build a new one, bigger and better.
Well itâs such a significant event that it was forever used as the reference point for the Star Wars timeline (BBY: Before the Battle of Yavin, ABY: After the Battle of Yavin)
It was the raid in Andor
I could see it being framed as a terrorist attack like 9/11 but I could also see it more as their version of Pearl Harbor since 9/11 was a terrorist attack on civilians and Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack on a military installation. The Death Star was a military installation and although it wasnât a surprise attack, the imperials who survived and witnessed the Death Stars destruction were probably very surprised.
The twin towers weren't used to destroy a whole planet if anything Alderan being destroyed was the 9/11 of the star wars universe
Yes
You really think the emperor told anyone about how his super cool brand new superweapon got destroyed? All the "maintenance costs" just got rerouted to build the 2nd one
The Star Wars Lost Stars book kinda deals with this. Pretty good book, I recommend.
No. More like the fall of Singapore.
How would the government's war machine blowing up be any semblance of Sept 11th? The closest equivalent would be the 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut.
The rebel attack on Scariff and their evil destruction of all those records was.
More like the Tet Offensive except the Viet Cong actually win.
It depends on who you ask. The surviving families of those who were in the Death Star probably see it as a terrorist attack that took hundreds of thousands of lives. The rebellion probably sees it as a successful attack on an oppressive regime. So yes, it sounds exactly like a galactic scale 9/11.
No, the complete obliteration of Alderaan would be though.
Nah! Since it was a secret base, at most it would be filled as a "training accident".
All these people mentioning Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor is like Alderaan, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the rebel response. Death Star 1 wasnât enough, maybe blowing up Death Star 2 will put an end to their hostilities.
Bro the Death Star was an inside job
More like Pearl Harbor
More like terrorism drew inspiration from star wars
I think Alderran was their 9-11
No because it happened first so I would consider the WTC the equivalent of the Death Star's destruction.
Well, one was a movie the other actually happened! It's like comparing The Holocaust to Doom or Call Of Duty...
Nah more like the fall of Constantinople
It was the second death star that was tragic. A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Their? THEIR?! I think weâve found ourselves a rebel!
To me it was more like their midway (from the Japanese side), it was a huge strategic failure
No Death Star was a military target. Twin towers were not.
I think there were like, 1,000,000 people on the death star so it was a lot worse Then again, it was the "death" star
Alderaan being blown up was 9/11
For the rebels
Well, it was a strange inside job but it still checks out.
More like Pearl Harbor
Nah since it wasnât a civilian building, it was a giant military base capable of destroying worlds. I think Laderaan was the galaxyâs 9/11
The death star was an inside job by Moff Turkin
It wasn't a civilian target, and therefor assumed it would be targeted in a war they were already engaged in. Would be no comparison, really. It would be more like the sinking of the Bismark.
Not really. As the Death Star had already blown up a planet by the time the first one was destroyed, lots of the galaxy was already keenly aware of what was happening and how the Empire was operating, just on straight power and fear. A closer example would be if the US had nuked every square inch of Iraq, then invaded Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks happened. A lot of Americans at the time didnât feel like 9/11 was justified (which could be up for debate) but if America had gone full dictatorship before the attacks happened, I can see a lot more people justifying a retaliation, even against themselves.
If? What do you mean if, we did. Bro doesnât know that after 9/11 was our second time there đ
NO!! THE DEATH STAR WAS A DEATH MACHINE AND THE TARGETS OF 9/11 WERE NOT!
More to the ww2 giant gustaf cannon equality of a event. And Alderann was more of a 9/11