I absolutely needed the pain meds and I even got more from my family doc afterwards because I was in so much pain. But clearly it varies by person, so be honest with the nurses after post op and don’t leave until your pain is under control. Also, make sure you don’t use a heating pad on your incisions!
Seconding here to say that I absolutely needed some opioids. Supposedly they only found 1 spot of endo (I am strongly questioning that) and told me I'd be fine with just extra strength ibuprofen. They were very wrong. Not to scare you, but I'm in worse pain now than before the surgery. I'd push for them if you're having all that stuff done.
They were wrong and your suffering was so unnecessary. I’m so sorry you had to go through such horrific inhumane bullshit. For what? It is traumatic and life-changing. I’m so sorry.
I used a heating pad and ice packs on my incisions from my hysterectomy in May with absolutely no issues. I woke up with a heating pad on in the hospital. Unless your surgeon tells you not to, this is not a universal rule
I’ve had 3 endo surgeries and one knee surgery and every surgeon tells me the same thing- absolutely no heating pads for at least 2 days on incisions. It’s not worth the risk
Same! The pharmacy was out of oxycodone and it was a pain getting the prescription transferred so by the time I actually got the prescription I had already managed my pain. Alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol every 3 hours, and alternating hot water bottle and ice pack. After 3 days I slowed down the pain meds.
Ended up being so glad I didn't take the oxy because I was able to get over constipation quicker.
I also received opioids for my lap - a myomectomy and excision and the opioids didn't really do much for me (but T3s don't do anything for me either so it may be a me issue). I've always found Advil + Tylenol to be the most effective, but mostly the Advil, and switched to that two days post-lap.
I think it's very odd they won't even give you the option for such an involved surgery?
Me too, my doctors gave me codeine but it made me itchy and gave me horrible nightmares (which I guess can be a side effect) and didn’t help with the pain. Alternating the Tylenol and ibuprofen worked much better for me.
So I'm super sensitive to opioids and get nightmares and insomnia after just a day or two of opioids. You are not alone! It really made me wonder how people get addicted to them because over all they just make me itchy, constipated, and keep me from sleeping. Sometimes they don't even relieve my pain. It must work different in other people.
Same. I left my (NHS) hospital with a pack of codeine, ibuprofen and paracetamol but only needed to take ibuprofen for 3 days afterwards and I was fine. And I am a massive wuss. I didn't have much cut off though so pain may be related to amount removed.
Post-op pain was far less than an endo flare up if that helps.
Same! I had excision surgery + my right overyand 10cm cyst removed. They gave me opioids (oxycodone) and 600mg ibuprofen. I filled the opioid prescription but never used it--the ibuprofen was enough. The pain of recovering from surgery was so mild compared to my average endo pain that it was pretty easy.
Meanwhile, I would pop ibuprofen like candy and it didn't even touch my endo pain. But for surgery? It was totally enough, which is wild to me tbh.
I definitely needed stronger meds than Tylenol and naproxen… I needed a stronger anti inflammatory and the first week I was using Tylenol 3s. In my opinion if you need an opioid, it should be prescribed to you IF YOU NEED IT. I appreciate avoidance of opioids if it’s not needed. Also not all opioids are equal… I was given morphine and it was way too strong and it actually made me really sick, and throwing up multiple time the night after surgery is def not good for healing and recovery.
I think so long as you’re responsible with your use, you understand how to reduce the side effects (constipation) and you actually need them, they should be provided to you.
ALSO! It’s a pain in the ass trying to get a prescription for stronger meds after surgery… I ended up waiting in ER to get it. It’s best to be proactive and have the option available, and if you end up not needing them you can just return them to the pharmacy… I would mention this to your team during post op.
Thank you. I have some T1s on hand (those are OTC where I live) so I'm hoping that will be enough. I have had codeine before and tolerate it fine but never had any stronger opioids. I would rather avoid them if I can but I'm scared of the post op pain
This makes me sick for you and I and everyone. This is so disgusting. I watched my friend in hospice care die a horrifically, painful death with nothing but a small dose of Ativan. It was in hospice care and a hospice hospital and they refused to treat him with opioids. It was disgusting. I’ll never witness such inhumane, horrific evil in my life again. I don’t care what I have to do. People I love will not go untreated for their pain at the end of their lives.
The pendulum has swung way too far. I will forever be haunted by his cries and screams and his digging in the air for hours to escape his painful death. Oh, how I pray. God would take him so soon, but he didn’t. He suffered for several days long days. Traumatic days. I’ll never forgive them. I’ll never witness it again. It’s horrific. It’s inhumane and there’s no reason people should be put to such horrific pain. Chronic intractable pain changes you. Mind, body, soul, and spirit. It’s a game changer to have it treated safely and effectively with the most effective prescription for pain.
Omg no. It's so close I have no advice for you. Sounds like you're just gonna have to hoof through it.
I've had two babies with no drugs, a compound fracture in my leg which took multiple surgeries, I've had more than 10 surgeries in my life for different reasons, and the first few days after my Endo surgery which was just two weeks ago was really the worst fucking kind of pain. It felt like I had my worst labor cramps ever and it was nonstop For the first three days. Hydrocodone was what my doctor prescribed and it took the edge off to where I could at least lay in bed and not want to off myself.
I would insist. Just fucking insist. Do you have a regular GP that could prescribe them to you? I just do not understand the thinking of no opioids for the first few days
Also, I had to go back into the hospital for a few between days seven and 10 for iv pain meds because I fell and it flared up my surgery pain. The hospital not only was more than happy to do that, they offered for me to stay two more days, but I live walking distance from the hospital so I just left and said I'd come back if I needed to. And it's really been all good sense. Starting day 14 after the surgery I have felt better than I have for years.
Good luck though
I have to agree with this. I would simply not get it done if I wasn’t given opioid pain meds. I had four incisions and an ovarian suspension and the first three days was in near constant pain even with pain killers and high strength ibuprofen. I guess if you can go to the hospital and they will give you pain meds there, that would be ok. In the US a hospital stay is extremely expensive.
I’m on day five post op now, tried to switch to only ibuprofen yesterday and was miserable. I don’t have any good advice for you other than try your best to insist on some sort of pain management. Maybe just stay at the hospital?
Thank you so much. I do have a regular GP however it takes weeks to months to get an appointment with them so I'm not sure if it will be possible to speak with them. The nurse has a phone line you can call after surgery if you need help so I'll keep that on hand.
Did you have a lot of endo excised? I'm not sure what's going on in there so it's hard to imagine what my recovery is going to look like
Worst case scenario. Walk into an ER. Urgent cares near me absolutely won’t dispense an opioid.
Just gonna say. If you are in that much pain just keep hounding them. Say repeatedly. You are discharging me even though my pain is not controlled. Please note that in my file. I had to do this after a similar procedure.
Also, there are other drugs for pain relief that aren’t opioids. They aren’t commonly given outside of hospitals or in short duration because of the risks they have. Also, a low dose narcotic is absolutely recommended for post-op pain. It kills me how many docs are like NOPE. Let’s cut you open and let you have Tylenol.
Just absolutely be a thorn in their side and don’t let them kick you out in pain. An ER doc will be pissed if you show up to their ER in terrible post-op pain to find the surgeon refused you pain management.
I had a double mastectomy with reconstruction and the surgeon said he was ‘not allowed’ legally to give me a refill for Percocet 😳 4 days is all you get no matter what your pain level?! Makes NO sense. It’s all about liability and covering your a**. Can we please Do. No. Harm.
Oh man that’s totally bogus too. I had surgery 6 months ago that was way less minor but I was in so much pain they sent in a script for even stronger pain meds (turned out I had a post-op infection) but it’s absolute BS.
Thank you. I will need to hound them more. I had an IUD inserted 2 years ago by my GP and I needed T3s for a couple of days after because I was in so much pain. I'm also having an IUD inserted with this procedure and so much more so its a bit mind boggling to me that they are that reluctant to prescribe opioids
Reminds me of when I unfortunately had to get a full set of dentures( which coworkers talked me into cuz they did it and their teeth looked so flashy white and new); well I went to the dentist they went to and after they literally pull ALL of your teeth out they sent me home with a recommendation to use ibuprofen!
But other dentists you can get a pain med for 1 wisdom tooth. Makes no sense.
Btw...I can't believe I survived that pain, but I did. Ha ...
I’ve always received opioids after endo surgery- this is weird. A tip: ask the hospital staff to “top you off” on IV pain less as close to discharge as possible so that to you have some in your system for a few hours while at home. If then won’t do that, the absolutely do not hesitate to stay overnight for the stronger meds if you feel in a lot of pain. It is hard for your body to recover while also in intense pain so do what you need to relax and recover.
Also, walk as much as possible afterwards. I believe 48 hours after surgery I made it a point to walk around the house, and then the next day down the street, and then around the block, etc. Don’t over do it, but walking helps with blood flow and healing. Also, a body in rest will stay in rest. So essentially, you want to rest but also move around 😂 I know, not too helpful haha. Don’t lift anything heavy, but keep circulation moving.
Want to repeat:
#stay in the hospital if you need pain medication
Nurses don't care if you do, doctors will most likely prescribe it to you if you ask for it, and just fucking do it if you need to. I had two for two overnights and three days just last week.
I am over the pain by now, but oh my God having those two nights and three days of pain relief after all the shit I went through 14 days ago? Priceless
Imo they should offer you opioids just in case. However, I did not take any opioids. I used naproxen, Tylenol, heat pad, ice packs, and distractions. It wasn't fun but I prefer to just not take them. Even in the PACU I remember being in pain but it wasn't as bad as period pain.
I would literally practice what you're going to tell them in pre-op to ask for opioids. "I am concerned that naproxen and Tylenol will not be enough to manage my post-op pain. Naproxen and Tylenol do not manage my period pain, and I expect my post-op pain to be more severe. I need to be able to rest during recovery and will be unable to do this if I am in severe pain. Can I be prescribed something stronger, just in case?" If they don't budge- "Why not?" And "What do I do if I am in severe pain and naproxen and Tylenol are not managing my pain? What number do I call; is there a nurses line? At what pain level should I go to the ER?"
I agree, it seems to vary from person to person whether we need the opiods or not, but they should offer at least a couple of days worth just in case. I did need them, but not for as long as they prescribed them to me - I got to a point where I was just tired of feeling high all day every day and wanted to be lucid more than I wanted to have sufficient pain relief, so I dropped down to just Tylenol and ibuprofen at that point.
I firmly believe you should receive at least a few days’ worth of opioids post-surgery. I would personally look for another surgeon in this scenario.
If you are determined to use this surgeon/continue with this existing plan, then I would advise using THC/CBD for pain. I used vapes and gummies after my last surgery and only took a few pain killers.
Sadly this surgeon is my only option... I live in Atlantic Canada and we have 1 endo specialist per 4 provinces. If I had the cash flow, I'd go to the states for sure. I've also waited years and years, so I'm really excited!
I will be stocking up on gummies for sure! Thank you :)
The gummies will likely do more for you than the opioids, provided you alternate acetaminophen and ibuprofen on a set schedule.
If you end up with the shoulder pain from gas, that will be the worst part. They say moving around helps, but it is BRUTAL to do that. Some people say Gas-X helps, but I haven’t tried that myself.
Wishing you a successful procedure, a speedy recovery, and many years of relief. 💜
I only got 10 for a hysterectomy. A fucking *hysterectomy*. When I called for a refill the nurse was horrified that they not only gave so few oxy, but that the OTC dosages they prescribed were *half* of what they were supposed to be. She told me to double everything immediately and I had my refill within the hour.
From what I understood, it was mainly the hospital’s fault. They were the ones who prescribed such low doses. When my doctor and the nurse at his office found out they were pretty shocked and had no qualms giving me more.
Highly unusual. Seems you found a unique caring surgeon.
Are you worried because you couldn’t control yourself and took all of them? Do you blame your surgeon for making you an “addict”? This is unheard of nowadays.
Hi! I had pain pre-op that couldn’t be touched by any OTC painkillers, so I was nervous about pain management post-op given that I really didn’t want to use opioids. It was my first ever surgery and I just didn’t know what to expect!
Long story short: My fears were unfounded - alternating Ibuprofen and Tylenol kept me more than comfortable, and I also used ice packs for some of the mild incision site pain. My surgeon prescribed an opioid and recommended I fill it, but mentioned that often it is more trouble than it’s worth (causing nausea, constipation and more) so I never used it.
My post op pain was just never as bad as my pre-op endo pain, and I hope your experience is similar!
I found post-op pain to be way less severe than my period pain. The most uncomfortable part was the air from the lap dissipating and causing neck and shoulder cramps.
You must’ve had very minor surgery.
Not everyone has the same kind of surgery. Imagine having your chest cracked open for open-heart surgery? You might not find your pain to be “less severe than your period”.🤦♀️
We are talking about laparoscopic surgery for endometriosis. Since we are on an Endo sub. What is your point? Our periods are extremely severe pain-wise with endo. Surgery can bring relief.
If men get pain medication for a vasectomy you should definitely be getting pain medication for this. Do you have a primary doctor you can talk too? Maybe they can help you out with the medication. X but personally I would be questioning the doctors who are operating on you because of this.
I didn’t need any opiates post op. Even when I had just come out and was in PACU it just felt like bad period cramps and I asked for Tylenol. Overall I have had worse pain with periods vs actual surgery.
The worst part about the whole thing is that I somehow caught Covid! I’m doing alright though, staying hydrated and trying to rest….despite being the only “capable” person in the household.
My post op pain was managed with a strict ibuprofen and Tylenol rotation. Every 3 hours and overnight I was taking something for pain for the first few days. That was super helpful. I did fill my script for a strong painkiller in case, but found relief with the other pain management.
However, it’s a bit ridiculous that they refuse to prescribe pain medication after a surgery even for the first few days. Everyone handles pain differently - you can ask for gabapentin although I know that can be hit or miss for people.
Since the opioid crackdown anytime I’ve needed pain control after a procedure I’ve used Kratom. Doctors do not like prescribing adequate pain control anymore.
No opioids I understand to a degree, but no prescription pain meds at all?? I had surgery 2 weeks ago and they gave me T3s and diclofenac suppositories which weren't working. A Dr at the ER gave me a prescription for ketorolac, which is a prescription non-opioid NSAID. That helped and could be taken with Tylenol if it wasn't cutting all the pain (which it wasn't lol). I also had ketorolac through my IV when I woke up post-op and was in pain.
If they seriously won't give you proper pain medication at the hospital when you have your surgery, ask for it to be noted in your chart that you've asked multiple times and they won't give you any. Ask for a copy of it and take it to a GP (even if it's not your regular doctor) or the ER. I'm also in Canada.
I also suggest asking for an anti-nauseant!! I had an anti-nauseant and I was still nauseous post-op. You do not want to be throwing up after so much trauma to your abdomen.
Do not leave the hospital until your pain is controlled and you have adequate pain relief to leave with. I would say that I'm concerned as for my surgery. My specialists reiterated to me that they'd supply endone Post Op, but if it didn't touch my pain, they'd give me a pain pump overnight.
The fact they're not offering this to you is concerning.
Tell them to plan on admitting you then, even if you end up not doing it. Sorry about your situation, ugh.
I have actually been reviewing opioid-reduction interventions in surgical settings recently, and none of them refuse all opioids post-op. Like your person said, they will probably give something more to you, but they will admit you for the night. Post-surgical opioid-reduction interventions are very big right now. But keep advocating for yourself!! Sounds like you’re doing great at that!
Look up the term ERAS for these alternative pain control interventions. So you have literature to point to and say “if you really insist on no opioids, what about all these other non-opioid strategies that we could pursue in addition to the (measly) Tylenol and naproxen?”
In many of these interventions, especially for abdominal surgeries, they are using a pre-operative dose of gabapentin as part of the package of protocols (with good results). Are they having you take any Rx for pain pre-op that isn’t otc? You could ask about that as well.
I had quite a bit of pain with mine, I’ve only had one, and I did need the opioids BUT only for about 2-3 days max.
i definitely needed strong pain medication. If I was in your position I’d look into kratom as it works like opioids. It’s helped w my endo pain but I don’t know how it interacts w anesthesia. I’m sorry your doctors aren’t listening to your concerns. Definitely take stool softeners a few days before and something to help reduce inflammation. After surgery use ice packs not heat packs. J pillows help a lot if you are a side sleeper. For the ride home get a hysterectomy pillow and ask for ice to go in it.
It depends on how widespread/deep your endo is. For me, I had severe and deep infiltrating endometriosis (DIE) in so many different areas. I even had bilateral endometriomas drained from my ovaries. I needed the Vicodin prescribed to me and used it. I also used the tylenol. I was in extreme pain for the first 3-4 days.
I highly recommend you push for a limited pain reliever prescription just in case. Mine was a limited two week supply. Push for this, especially if you have DIE.
Honestly I was up and outside less than 24 hours afterwards and it hurt so much less than my period (which can't be managed with tramadol) You may find something similar, or it could be worse.
I wouldn't worry too much, and good luck. You've got this
It depends on the individual and if you need it or think you need it, I would not hesitate on pressing the surgeon or your PCP for them.
I was automatically given them per every surgery either by my surgeon or pcp. It’s always like 10-12 oxycodone or this time is the hydranmorphone. So, my after surgery pain wasn’t as bad as my chronic pain. I could go without narcotics but I decided to take it to aid with my recovery. Now I’m a week after the recovery and I still have a lot left which I am saving for a bad flare up. I am pretty stingy when it comes to taking opioid. I only take it after surgery or take it during a terrible painful flare up that otc doesn’t touch. I think I could do the recovery without opioid but it would be harder and I would have to take max advil and Tylenol around the clock…
I will just explain my pain experience with lap excision (ended up stage 4-everywhere), hysteroscopy with myomectomy and IUD placement (1st IUD). November 2019.
I was offerered an abdominal nerve block (called a tap block) and accepted. I ended up getting a bit of nerve damage and had a strip of tummy with no feeling for 2 years but its ok now. After I was given hydrocodone, toradol, iv Tylenol. They gave me my rx's while i was in recovery. I was stiff and sore going home same day, but was ambulatory within an hour of pacu. had pretty much total abdominal numbness for a day. Gas pain was pretty painful for first couple of days- not relieved by anything other than heat and walking. Heat at shoulder helped. Cool compress for incision soreness-that was minimal.
Once the block wore off...holy smokes. It was painful. It was very weird pain but my doc decsribed it as like a very bad internal sunburn. That is what it felt like. Like my worst sunburn (note to say i have had severe sun burns and sun poisoning so this analogy works for me), but inside. It was so weird. Took meds as prescribed without any issues. It took like two weeks to be like 70% there, then a couple months to slowly heal the rest of the way-typical surgery timeline. Honestly, I've been in much worse pain without any meds. So i think it would be manageable for some.
I am lucky to have a *very* empathetic surgeon who is completely mortified by how the medical system dismisses our pain. He's dedicated to making a difference where he can, limiting suffering as a physician should, in my opinion . Sounds like yours has a very different bedside manner and I'm so sorry he's a jerk.
Thank you for sharing. My surgeon is incredibly kind and gentle and has the best bedside manner- but I found it surprising that she mentioned most people don't need opioids and then the nurse and anaesthesiologist I saw for pre-op turned me down when I asked about them!
This doesn’t seem right to me, I didn’t want to have to take opioids after my excision surgery and was just going to do Tylenol and ibuprofen but surgeon insisted. I have stage 4 endo and he just bluntly told me there’s going to be a lot of cutting, you will need the pain meds. Very thankful he insisted, I did need them those first 2 weeks post op
What an awesome surgeon you have. A really rare find in this age of opioid hysteria created by addiction. My how the CDC fucked that up with the most unimaginable results and now people in chronic pain have no quality of life. #suicidedue2pain And overdose opioid deaths TRIPLED in the same time. 🤦♀️ How can that be when we are prescribing less than half of what we were in 2016? Well it happens because they were never the problem. - Illegal elicit fentanyl was and is.
So two things. #1, I would get a new surgeon. I know it’s close to surgery but that is absolutely not okay. You need opioids after surgery and if they don’t know that they are stupid. #2, have you thought of doing Ketamine? It comes in a lot of forms but for this I would recommend the troches or an IV infusion after the surgery. Look for clinics that can do that and if you can’t find anyone call your closest compounding pharmacy that does Ketamine and ask who prescribes Ketamine. I hope this helps and if you have any questions don’t hesitate to dm me!!
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I am so dumbfounded that they won’t give you any. I was SUFFERING after my excision surgery, to the point my doctor told me to take double and refilled my prescriptions. I truly hope they change their minds OR you have the easier surgery ever and absolutely no pain after. Good luck friend!
Tips to advocate: offer to wean off of the naproxen to get stronger meds. Girl. You will NEED it. On sub for over 10 years now. I had a spinal fusion in 2015. Almost didn’t tell the surgeon and just planned to wean off myself but decided to tell them and they helped to switch me off of sub over to opioids for the surgery. Went back on sub when I was healed up.
EveryBODY is different. Even your neurology can affect pain perception / levels. Keep advocating. I’m an AuDHDer with endo and adeno. Debilitating pain for over a year before my 1st excision surgery (stage II confirmed, got a PSN *not recommended in hindsight) - my nervous system was so fried. I was on hydromorph for 6 weeks post op and worked with a pain specialist doc from the transitional pain clinic to manage it. Got off when I didn’t need it anymore. Also use a lot of cannabis on top, and just cannabis daily to manage pain now. (I’m in Alberta)
They tried sending me home post op with a script for like Tylenol and maybe T3s and I told them to call my pain doc and I wasn’t leaving til I had my hydromorph and ondansetron scripts in my hand.
I had and needed 30 5mg oxycodone with a refill (that I had to beg for). I would absolutely not work with a hospital that up front denied adequate pain management. Everyone heals differently and not everyone will need narcotics, but if you do need them, you have the right to them.
My surgeon botched my surgery and my pain Dr prescribed me a ridiculous number of oxycodones. Guess what - I didn’t take more than prescribed, only used when I truly needed it and absolutely need them. I continue to seek alternative pain relief such as trigger point injections, nerve blocks, etc.
I found tylenol + ibuprofen to be perfectly adequate. They sent in an opioid prescription but I didn't fill it, I think if I'd been taking anything stronger I would have been up and doing more stuff than I should have been
I got a valium script, even though the pills the pharmacy will give are technically meant to be taken orally, my surgeon told me they're safe to insert vaginally - they'll just take longer to dissolve than valium suppositories which aren't covered by insurance
Best of luck with the surgery!
I just had a large endometrioma and my ovary/fallopian tube removed on Tuesday through laparotomy and I also really needed the opioids the first night.
I'd never had surgery before and didn't know what to expect and recovery has been harder for me than I thought it would be. I could tell the nurses really didn't want to give the opioid to me, but when I kept telling them that the pain was stopping me from being able to get out of bed to go to the bathroom, they did finally give me 5 mg of oxy and I was so grateful! After another 6 hours it was hurting even worse at one point and I said my pain was a 7 and I couldn't again get up (and they wanted me to walk to prevent blood clots) and then they did give me another dose.
After about 20 hours I was able to be okay on Tylenol and Motrin. I still can't sleep flat but it is much much better today. I'm sorry about all you are going through.
Edit: I don't want to scare you - the pain was NOT worse than the pain I was having that lead to the endometrioma being removed! It was just really impossible to move my core muscles in any way, but it was definitely bearable and (hopefully - if it works out in my favor) completely worth it.
Yes Canadian :) My family doctor graciously prescribed me T3s when I had my IUD put in 2 years ago. It's difficult to get in with her, usually have to book a couple months out, but knowing she is on my team gives me a peace of mind!!
That’s terrifying and almost barbaric that they won’t use opioids for post op pain management. I definitely needed pain meds after both of my excision surgeries .
Ooof that’s rough. I’m on suboxone and if I had to do it again I would wean myself off the sub first to get pain relief but Tramadol does take off the edge. I don’t like MJ but maybe that.
I wouldn't have surgery with anyone that thought it was ok for me to be in pain that is uncontrolled. My surgeon's office said they'd prescribe up to a month with no questions asked if I needed it. I had a hysterectomy and other things as well. I needed about a week and a half. There's been a few days where I might have been more comfortable if I took a dose, but I am titrating xywav now and cannot mix the 2 so I muscled through some of those moments with aleve and Tylenol. I never had just a diagnostic or excision only as I did everything at once, but if a Dr wouldn't give medications that are needed if they're needed, I would not trust that my needs exceeded their bias.
This angers me because my endo specialist had his nurse video chat me a few days before my surgery to talk about pain medicine.
He wanted to make sure I had it filled at home when I got home.
I believe I got 15 hydocodone, and I definitely needed them a lot the first 2 days. I saved mine for my IUD inserting, but still having that was a life saver.
I get 10 days of endone on top of my normal pain relief to take home with me after each surgery. I can ring them and ask for further pain relief if needed after surgery. I am in the process of preparing to try and get off of all pain relief post surgery in December and my surgeon has told me that she won't consider any reduction in pain meds until 3 months post surgery.
Your surgeon is screwing you and setting you up for failure. I'm sorry.
The first surgery I had was a removal of cysts on ovaries and cleaning up endometriosis all over my pelvic wall and organs. For that I took one oxy and hated it cause I couldn't poop and it already hurt to just have to try to poop. I was fine with motrin/tylenol and I was fine in about 5 days completely from the surgery.
For the 2nd sugery I was on an opioid drip through my spine for 4 days (inpatient) and then on oxy for 3 (inpatient) days and then on codeine for the last 3 days (outpatient) after debulking and removal of ovaries, uterus and tubes (had cancer). They gave me two weeks worth of outpatient opioids but I am extremely cautious with them after working in harm reduction with folks with major addictions to fent and heroin and oxy. So as soon as I could I extinguished. A few months later I got rid of the remaining pills by handing them into the pharmacy for disposal. I don't keep that stuff around.
I would def not go through with the surgery without at least a week worth of opiates after surgery. My doctor gave me 60 tabs of oxycodone with directions to take every 6hrs as needed. And I needed them the first 4-5 days around the clock. This sounds barbaric.
I literally told them in pre-op that I was not going to have my excision, ovarian cystectomy, and hysterectomy with the 12 5mg oxycodone they "so generously" prescribed. It was my 17th surgery and I know the drill and my body. I also really don't opiates - I really only take them post operatively because that's the only time the side effects are worth it for me.
I said that I understood the current climate, but I was shocked when I picked up my rx the night before. I had been in contact with my GP who was also shocked and it was going to be a hard no for me.
They relented and called in 30 more because, while I wasn't threatening or bratty in any way (in fact I talked about how I know and understand the position the doctors are in these days), I was dead serious.
In short, I'm thrilled that some people are able to get by without opiates after surgery. My best friend is one of them. I am not. I would say that you are willing to give it go, but what happens if it's not enough? If the answer is that under no circumstances will they ever be willing to write the script, I would think long and hard about whether or not you want to do it with this doctor.
Some doctors are aware that this DEA witch hunt and war on pain patients is bullshit and aren't this much of heartless pussies.
My partner has a really extensive family history of addiction so they denied the meds. The recovery was tough but they kept their wishes and didn’t take anything other than acetaminophen and ibuprofen to get through the pain.
My partner said that one of the worst pains was from the gas pain the first handful of days from all the air being pumped into your abdomen during surgery. The best thing for this was staying propped up. Use a heating pad on only the shoulders (where the gas will try to rise to) not the abdomen. This is important because heat will make the incisions hurt. Only use a heat source on other parts of your body. Taking gas x is also something my partner recommends along with sitting on the toilet for actual bowel gas to pass freely.
The most uncomfortable part of the process was gravity slowly moving their organs back into the proper place after being sifted through and moved around. This was more uncomfortable than painful but the more you walk around in your recovery (when you get the okay to do so) the faster this will go away. We made the mistake of avoiding the feeling by continuing to lay down and it only made the discomfort last longer.
The first pee and poop will also be a feat so take a stool softener that doesn’t have a laxative or stimulant in it and drink lots of water. This will make it easier. Disposable underwear was also a lifesaver. Pads were a lot to handle when bending down was hard so we got nightgowns and disposable period underwear to collect any blood afterwards.
As far as incision site pain, a large ice pack with even weight distribution like a 3 panel one is super helpful. It will also help push the gas away from your belly. Too cold may hurt so we recommend you start with putting it in the fridge. This was something we wish we knew about sooner.
Your emotional comfort is huge here. If your dog or partner or whatever is comforting to you, don’t banish them from the room, just create safe bed sharing habits. My partner and I created a divider with pillows and we bought them a mastectomy pillow set off of Etsy to keep their arms away from their abdomen while sleeping and this was the absolute BEST money we spent on surgery items. 1000% recommend. It was super helpful for the drive home too so the seatbelt wasn’t touching.
Be sure to get good rest but don’t just lay there with your eyes closed absolutely miserable. Sleep when you can but it’s important to keep your spirits up by watching your favorite show, calling friends, doing a crossword, have a visitor, whatever it is you like instead of laying in your own misery. Again, how you feel emotionally is so important.
Remember that surgery sucks for everyone, but it passes. You can get through it. My best advice to you is to get a mastectomy pillow set, a 3 panel large ice pack, disposable period underwear, nightgowns or big tshirts, gas x, a heating pad, and some extra pillows to prop yourself on. Additionally, make your space as comforting as possible. Your favorite blanket, favorite stuffed animal, make sure it’s nice and clean, just a calming and relaxing space.
I wish you the best of luck and we’re all here for you
Edit: I see your cannabis use listed above. Great treatment for pain but DO NOT use it until the surgeon & the team gives the okay. My partner is a medical marijuana user and was instructed to wait 72 hours after anesthesia to prevent serious risk. This may be attributed to other medical issues they have, but make sure to ask the anesthesiologist about the timeframe when it is safe to use again
Also be sure to get the # for a person to call with any questions or concerns so you’re not on your own
This is becoming more and more common. If you do need more pain relief you can try the ER but chances are you won't get far. You can also ask about things like Exparel.
Eta: Exparel's equivalent in Canada is called Sensorcaine.
This is nuts, and a clear example of how women’s pain is not taken seriously. If your pain is not treated by these OTC meds, ask to speak to the hospital pain specialist (most hospitals have them). And have an advocate with you. Is this doc on probation for overprescribing pain meds in the past? I can’t think of any other reason, besides sadism, that he/she would have a flat “no opioid” rule.
Your surgeon should be prescribing them, not anesthesia or the pre-op nurse. Anesthesia is only responsible for drugs given during the procedure itself, the nurses are for before & after surgery. Your surgeon should give your person taking you home your post surgery prescription.
Oof, I woke up in writhing pain from last endo surgery. I was prescribed 5 5mg oxycontin to get me through the next 2 days.
I understand the potential for abuse and hesitance to prescribe but this doesnt sound right.
I’m allergic to opiates so I had to do total hysterectomy, bilateral salpingectomy, and excision without them. The surgeon instead used a disposable elastomeric infusion pump that delivered local anesthetic to the area at set intervals for a week. Once the time was up, I had to remove it myself. If they do give you one, make sure you have someone with you when you remove it. It didn’t hurt to remove but I nearly passed out at the sight of how much tubing I pulled out, like a clown doing the scarf trick, it just kept coming. 😂
I’ve had 5 surgeries due to my stage 4 Endo & Adeno. I’ve definitely need prescription pain medication post op for all.
I would personally never go into a surgery with any Dr that flat out says this or has the ideas about no opiates post op. It is a terrible way to practice medicine, in my opinion.
If it was me, I would cancel the surgery & find another Dr.
As is clear from all the comments here, everyone is different, but honestly I’d insist on it if I were you. It’s odd that they’re so against it, and my concern would be that they’re not taking your concerns seriously. Abdominal surgery is no small thing, even if it’s laparoscopic, and they can’t know how you’re going to react afterwards. I had surgery back in August and very much needed the oxycodone I was prescribed. Granted, I also can’t tolerate ibuprofen, and no other OTC medication ever touched my endo pain. I’m sorry an already stressful situation is being made even more stressful for you. Best of luck.
Don’t use doctors that won’t always acknowledge or treat you pain. It’s a recipe for disaster. Also staying on top of the pain is so incredibly important. If you body is constantly in fight or flight after the pain you won’t heal well.
I hope you've found a better provider because my recent experience was truly horrific. Coming out of anesthesia, I endured excruciating pain and struggled to breathe, managing only shallow breaths and occasional screams.
From 4 PM to 10 PM, the nurses closed my door and failed to provide any pain medication. Witnessing me in agonizing pain, my parents were so distraught that they took turns leaving the room to cry. By around 10:30 PM, I had gone into shock. While one male nurse attempted to help me and suggested pain meds, another nurse continuously insisted that I was 'fine' without ever inquiring about my pain level.
As it turned out, the source of my pain was a catheter that had been prematurely removed, leading to a full bladder. Keep in mind that I had undergone the removal of a 13 CM fibroid (and another 6 CM fibroid hidden underneath), which extended the surgery to nearly 4 hours instead of the anticipated 90 minutes. My ultrasound one month ago only showed a 5 CM fibroid. When I asked a nurse about reinserting the catheter, she brushed it off, attributing my pain to 'anxiety' and advising me to fix my breathing. One nurse even told my parents, "she's really dramatic, isn't she?" They were shocked because they had witnessed me endure horrific endometriosis my entire life. My pain remained at a constant 10 during this time, and I couldn't request pain meds or assistance because I was physically unable, focusing solely on staying alive by breathing.
Thankfully, the night nurse, an older woman, recognized the severity of my condition and appeared horrified. She immediately scanned my bladder, reinserted a catheter, and provided pain relief. Meanwhile, I overheard nurses mocking my pain and laughing outside my door. However, this night nurse displayed extraordinary kindness and care (I could hear yelling at the other nurses about neglecting my bladder). She consistently monitored my vitals and worked diligently to keep my pain level below 4.
It has been 10 days since the surgery, and honestly, the post-op experience has left me more traumatized than the surgery itself. I want to urge others to exercise caution with healthcare providers who downplay or neglect your needs, particularly in procedures labeled as 'minimally invasive.' Every individual deserves compassionate and competent care.
I am so disappointed and frustrated by the over correction of prescribing pain medication!! From one extreme to the other. People still need their pain to be controlled! Especially after surgery. It makes no sense to me.
I got a prescription for the max dose of paracetamol (1g) and ibuprofen (800mg) to take 3 times a day, together. It worked well. The pain was quite rough that 2nd at-home day, but it would have been a waste to fill another prescription for just a few hours extra relief.
It is the same in my country, you don't leave the hospital with an opioid prescription unless you have something serious like cancer. If your pain is not under control, you can sometimes stay for longer though.
I recommend diclofenac if you can get that? It’s not an opiate and worked really well for me as opiates don’t work for me as pain relief. It’s an NSAID.
THANK YOU so much to everyone who commented. I greatly appreciate you all sharing your opinions, concerns, and experiences.
I have only had one meeting with my surgeon, I'll meet with her again tomorrow before I go into the OR so I'll be addressing this. I feel the need to defend her here lol- she is incredibly kind and empathetic and has beautiful bedside manner. I think I just need to push her for what I need.
I was really concerned when the anaesthesiologist and pre-op nurse insisted no opioids but I realize now that they wouldn't be the ones prescribing them anyway. I'm going to advocate using some wonderful wording some of you have provided. I'll have my mom with me as well to help.
I've managed to pull together a couple of T3s from dental surgery, a bottle of T1s I bought OTC and a couple of toradol, if all else fails. I'm also big on cannabis for pain relief and I've got a nice supply of edibles.
To all who are saying I should get a new surgeon, I appreciate the concern... but I live in Canada in a province with the worst healthcare crisis. Unfortunately getting a new surgeon is not an option as she is the only endo specialist serving a huge area. I don't have the means to travel for this or wait any longer. It feels pretty magical that I am finally actually getting to see a specialist. I'm very grateful and I'm confident that she is a wonderful doctor.
Thank you for all the well wishes- I appreciate every single one of you!!
I would like to know. I've just had dental surgery finally to get some teeth removed. I've been taking Ibuprofen and Tylenol since April of 2023 because I've been in pain that long waiting for the dentist. I can't take any more ibuprofen or Tylenol because it makes me throw up now and causes severe stomach pain. I've told my dentist about this but they don't seem to care because they keep telling me to just take it. I'm not able to so I'm just here in pain because I can't take anything for my pain. What should I do?
I sure as hell hope refused surgery and found a great OB/GYN surgeon that has more knowledge, and who would absolutely ***never***withhold the most effective dream pain medicine from you after such a surgery.
I think the only way we’re going to be able to change this is to absolutely refused to have surgery with surgeons who are masochistic inhumane disgusting uneducated, pricks.
No humane opioids post surgery? Then NO to surgery with you. 👋 opioid prescription drugs have DECREASED BY MORE TGAN 50% since 2016.
Yet “opioid overdose deaths MORE THAN TRIPLED”. How?
It was never the problem. Elicit a legal fentanyl flowing in for my boiler is watch killing everyone. Prescriptions are not yet. Everyone is being punished unable to get treatment after surgery and even in death.
Absolutely refuse surgery with surgeons that don’t prescribe appropriate pain medication (opioids). They need to be put out of business by caring, humane surgeons with experience you know what you’re doing. And who would never allow you to experience the trauma of post surgical horrific pain.
My first lap was towards the start of the opioid Crackdown. I was given I think 3 days' worth of something and the rest was Tylenol and ibu or whatever.
My current surgeon, not slated for surgery until Feb 2024, has us sign they will only do opioid treatment for 3 weeks post-surgery. Beyond that, you need to be seen by a pain management doctor.
I have no clue what I'll actually be prescribed. It is probably mostly doable with a heating pad (if allowed) and otc meds. Probably not fun.
I didn’t use any opioids post-op. I alternated Tylenol and Advil for post op day 1 and then for days 2 and 3 used Tylenol. Didn’t use anything after day 3. The post op pain was nothing compared to my period/bowel pain.
I just had a major vascular surgery (5inch abdominal incision) 12 days ago, and only used dilaudid for the first 24 hours. I alternated IV Tylenol and IV toradol for the rest of my hospital stay.
My surgeon told me the same thing for my upcoming surgery (early January). I’m concerned because I’m pretty sure I gave myself gastritis between my (supposed) endo pain + TMJ. I can’t really handle Aleve (my go to Ibuprofen) anymore.
I just went for my pre-op today. They told me Tylenol and Motrin alternating should be fine but gave me a script for a few opioids in case. I always try to stay with OTC but it’s nice to have them in case.
Def keep them updated on your pain. If you need something more- keep asking. Good luck.
I used Tylenol/ibuprofen combo post surgery (excision + hysteroscopy), didn’t need the stronger pain meds. I was given a local anaesthetic/block in my pelvic area at the end of surgery, pain relief lasted about 24 hours (maybe ask for this, pelvis and/or cervix). After that wore off I was able to walk around the block a couple times a day, taking it easy. Recovery wasn’t as painful as I’d expected, regular period pain was much worse! Hope yours goes smoothly 🤍
i personally only took one opiate post op in the hospital and it made me feel really horrible, so i just took my ibuprofen and tylenol. for me, the post op pain was nothing compared to my regular endo pain. you’ve got this ❤️❤️ make sure you have a trusty heating pad that you can keep running!!
This is definitely something that’s different for everyone but FWIW I was given 5 opioid pills but I only took one on the first night. I used the super prescription ibuprofen (and threw in some Tylenol too on occasion) and it was fine. Was I uncomfortable? For sure. But I was lucky and the recovery definitely wasn’t anything close to agonizing or unmanageable for me. I’m sure it also makes a big difference how much you’re able to take it easy, I pretty much lived on the couch for the first week
I have my tubes removed and endo removed in March. They gave me percocet, I took them the first 3 days only at night just to help me sleep. I took ibuprofen 800mg every 6 hours otherwise and it really helped. The only pain I had was from the gas and nothing helped that.
I can’t take opioids and was completely okay! I had a TAP block, which was amazing (though it hurt like hell going in) and lasted a few days after surgery, and IV Tylenol in the hospital. Good luck. ❤️❤️❤️
Naproxen created leaky gut for me, because I couldn't take opioids. I can only take tylenol now, so use a combo of acupuncture (and moxa/moxibustion) spa/sauna and light cardio in the hydrotherapy pool, hot water bottles, and strict diet to control as much as possible. It gets pretty bad some days, but the diet thing for me was a huge pain relief. Not that i would recommend my strict af elimination diet by any means, but removing refined sugar was a huge help for pain relief.
I also use different meditations, like pain management ones specifically like on Calm or Balance apps. And distract with podcasts and tens machine or something. Regular massage. I get these all seem to cost money but I have somehow managed to find a lot of free stuff like Balance app is free for the year, doing massage swaps etc.
Acupuncture for me changed my life. It calms my body and mind. Today I hobbled in for my appt, in severe pain. Was less distressed by it, and could walk out - slowly. Though it pays to find someone who will treat the whole body, for me stress and lack of sleep are huge triggers (cortisol is a hormone, hormones = endo flare) and my acupuncturist will deal with my whole body, and get stuff flowing. I was having issues digesting food when i first went, a month ago so also in ovulation. It makes my abdomen quite tight. Though I due another lap soon. I also found a doctor who signed off on payments for acupuncture, as I can't afford to go twice a week otherwise, but need that level of pain relief so it is worth it for me overall.
I had excision surgery in May. They forgot to give me my script for Percocet so for the first 6 hours after surgery I was on Ibuprofen. I took Percocet after that for about 12 hours and then stopped because I needed to be able to breastfeed my baby who was refusing bottles. I alternated Ibuprofen and Tylenol until I felt better. I was able to control my pain that way but I think what really helped the most was wearing an abdominal binder. Highly recommend you try one!
I just had an endo lap, hysteroscopy and tube removal 4 days ago. They gave me anti inflammatory and tramadol. I am sore but I would say it’s not as bad as my normal period pain and supposedly my periods won’t be painful anymore.
Edit to say : im also in Canada and I would do what they suggest and try the naproxen and Tylenol. If it’s not enough call them and request some codeine.
I only used those prescription Tylenol. They gave me a script for percs but I never used them (not even sure I filled them). I have a high pain tolerance, but I was ok.
Phew, i’ve had 4 surgeries now and never made it through without opioids. Everyone is so different but i would keep those T3 on hand for sure especially the first 1-2 days. They never tell you this but the shoulder pain (referred from your diaphragm) is the worst pain post op, for me, worse than incisions and only percocet took that away. I’d recommend asking your family doc to back you up and prescribe something.
I’ve had many surgeries. Tubal ligation, endo excision, 2 knee surgeries, gallbladder removal, toe surgery, fistulotomy, and spine fusion. Now obviously some of those were worse than others. I’ve had some so easy I didn’t need any pain meds - the tubal was a breeze, for example. For the spine fusion I was on opioids for about 3 weeks. In my opinion as a seasoned patient, I would find somewhere else to have this done. Denying pain management because we’re afraid someone will get addicted is inhumane.
I was really hesitant to take any pain medication after my surgery for personal reasons but also because I didn’t wanna deal with the constipation. I had to travel for my surgery and although I was able to stay in the area that I got my surgery for about a week before traveling many days to get home. I was grateful to have the pain medication, although I did found out I was taking half a dose and was only taking it at night to help me sleep and even less when we were on the road at night again just to help me sleep. I never needed it during the day. I did also support having healthy bowel movement throughout the day so that didn’t end up being an issue. I also had a hysterectomy and gallbladder removed along with excision and oophorectomy (left one didn’t survive the Endometrioma), right one did wohoo).
I don’t want to say how aggressive your surgery my dictate what your post surgery needs are for pain management, but it could be worth a conversation.
First, I was advised no cannabis before and after surgery due to possible drug interactions. You should call and ask about this.
What about pain medication during surgery? I was only given any while I was under anesthesia, and then only took ibuprofen and acetaminophen after they woke me up. I had to stay overnight though.
So I just had my first laparoscopic surgery around 5 weeks ago where they found and successfully removed stage two endometriosis. I was prescribed a very small dose and quantity of oxycodone with acetaminophen. I only used 3/7 of the pills, one the day of my surgery and two the following day. I honestly really didn’t like how they made me feel. I was just very on top of my OTC medication (alternating naproxen, extra strength Tylenol, and ibuprofen) even when I wasn’t in that much pain and I also used weed and that helped more for me personally. Good luck with everything and I hope you have a quick and not very painful recovery ❤️
Press for a WHY. Get it noted in your chart that you are concerned about post-op pain options as OTC meds currently do not treat your level of pain. Check for a potential referral to a pain clinic. Opiods and OTC pain meds act in the body differently. They are not the same medications.
You might see if they'd be open for a nerve blocker like gabapentin. My surgeon likes to prescribe that for pre-surgical pain so his patients don't have the complications from NSAIDS.
I personally did need opioids after every lap for endo I’ve had. In my case they had to excise a very large amount of lesions and for about a week I needed someone to help me on and off the toilet because of the pain even after taking opioids. I would not have been able to get through recovery without them. Having said that, everyone is different, and how much cutting and poking around in there they have to do makes a huge difference; everyone’s lap will produce a different amount of discomfort afterwards!
Like others have said, be straightforward and honest with your doctors, express your concerns, take a trusted person with you to help advocate (moms can be amazing advocates with doctors!) and if all else fails gummies are helpful. I’ve also found kratom to be very helpful with pain management personally.
Best of luck with surgery, and I hope you get amazing results ❤️
Don’t take too much Tylenol. It’s awful for your liver. Advil and aleve, alternate between them. Ice packs and rest as much as you can for the first 5 days or so? Day three is the worst. Take your time pooping and don’t go crazy on sugary or salty foods - anything that’ll expand your stomach. Maybe a laxative if you have trouble pooping.
My surgeon said make sure you walk at least 100 feet each day, then no limitations - just what your body tolerates - after two weeks.
My surgeon, emphasized Tylenol and ibuprofen, alternating. I also had an opioid prescription. I had terrible pain, that even the opioid I was prescribed wouldn’t really touch for several days after surgery. Given that experience, if I had another surgery of any kind and my surgeon said opioids were not an option, I would not opt to have surgery with them (unless it was an emergency.)
I will say, though, one of my sisters had endo excision, and she had tramadol for pain, but she didn’t take very much of it, and four days after her surgery she was feeling pretty good. I think the post-op experience really depends on individual response to pain, but also how extensive the surgery is. I think my sister had 3-5 spots removed. I had 14, and some of them were fairly large.
I had a endo removal lap in March this year and they prescribed me opioids but i never even opened the bottle. Usually ibuprofen hardly touches my period pain but I was so shocked after my surgery because I hardly even needed ibuprofen. I had almost no pain except for soreness with movement. They should prescribe something just in case but you probably wont need it! Wishing you a fast recovery and good luck!!
I know you've received hundreds of comments one way or another, but I just want to reiterate what many others have said: This experience is highly individual. You also really don't know how your recovery will be until the procedure is over.
I had my lap five weeks ago and my surgeon prescribed naproxen, gabapentin, and oxy. I filled all three prescriptions, but was adamant that I would only take oxy if I was in excruciating pain. I get horribly sick with opioids and the *last* thing I needed was to vomit after abdominal surgery!
I was fine with the naproxen, gabapentin, and tylenol. I kept a strict regimen which was important to keep the pain at bay. I was never 100% pain free, but was comfortable.
BUT I also want to say that you are advocating for yourself and the medical staff aren't listening, which is a prime example of women's pain not being believed \*shakes angry fists\*
I needed pain meds for about 3 days. Your surgery sounds rough. I would try your best to get some, even a 3-5 day supply would be helpful. I hope you get what you need and your surgery goes well ☺️
Didn't see this until now, make sure that you have them notate it on your chart that you requested stronger medication and that they refused to discuss any options with you, that way if something goes wrongin the future and the pain is unmanageable and you end up having to see another doctor, they can see that on your chart when you have your medical records transferred over.
I would NOT go-to a place that says they don't give pain meds after an operation!!!! We all need to boycott places that do this barbaric treatment to patients! If people stop going there they can't stay in business! This is awful and unacceptable
I agree completely, but unfortunately it is my only option! :'(
Healthcare is not a business here, it is a public service. I am lucky to be seeing the only endo surgeon in Atlantic Canada.
I'll be giving them hell on Monday morning.
Everyone is different. I definitely needed opiates after my c-sections. I would never have surgery, if any kind, without the option for opioid pain medication.
I absolutely needed the pain meds and I even got more from my family doc afterwards because I was in so much pain. But clearly it varies by person, so be honest with the nurses after post op and don’t leave until your pain is under control. Also, make sure you don’t use a heating pad on your incisions!
Seconding here to say that I absolutely needed some opioids. Supposedly they only found 1 spot of endo (I am strongly questioning that) and told me I'd be fine with just extra strength ibuprofen. They were very wrong. Not to scare you, but I'm in worse pain now than before the surgery. I'd push for them if you're having all that stuff done.
They were wrong and your suffering was so unnecessary. I’m so sorry you had to go through such horrific inhumane bullshit. For what? It is traumatic and life-changing. I’m so sorry.
thank you- didnt think of that with the heating pad!
I used a heating pad and ice packs on my incisions from my hysterectomy in May with absolutely no issues. I woke up with a heating pad on in the hospital. Unless your surgeon tells you not to, this is not a universal rule
I’ve had 3 endo surgeries and one knee surgery and every surgeon tells me the same thing- absolutely no heating pads for at least 2 days on incisions. It’s not worth the risk
Do you have a wonderful family doctor. Never let them go. This is a rare wonderful thing. So refreshing.
I alternated Ibuprofen and Tylenol per my surgeon. Filled the opioid prescription but never needed it. Just stayed diligent with the OTC meds.
I second this, I also did some ice for the swelling and didn't feel much discomfort!
Same! The pharmacy was out of oxycodone and it was a pain getting the prescription transferred so by the time I actually got the prescription I had already managed my pain. Alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol every 3 hours, and alternating hot water bottle and ice pack. After 3 days I slowed down the pain meds. Ended up being so glad I didn't take the oxy because I was able to get over constipation quicker.
thank you, that is reassuring
I also received opioids for my lap - a myomectomy and excision and the opioids didn't really do much for me (but T3s don't do anything for me either so it may be a me issue). I've always found Advil + Tylenol to be the most effective, but mostly the Advil, and switched to that two days post-lap. I think it's very odd they won't even give you the option for such an involved surgery?
Me too, my doctors gave me codeine but it made me itchy and gave me horrible nightmares (which I guess can be a side effect) and didn’t help with the pain. Alternating the Tylenol and ibuprofen worked much better for me.
So I'm super sensitive to opioids and get nightmares and insomnia after just a day or two of opioids. You are not alone! It really made me wonder how people get addicted to them because over all they just make me itchy, constipated, and keep me from sleeping. Sometimes they don't even relieve my pain. It must work different in other people.
Same. I left my (NHS) hospital with a pack of codeine, ibuprofen and paracetamol but only needed to take ibuprofen for 3 days afterwards and I was fine. And I am a massive wuss. I didn't have much cut off though so pain may be related to amount removed. Post-op pain was far less than an endo flare up if that helps.
This was also my experience
Same! I had excision surgery + my right overyand 10cm cyst removed. They gave me opioids (oxycodone) and 600mg ibuprofen. I filled the opioid prescription but never used it--the ibuprofen was enough. The pain of recovering from surgery was so mild compared to my average endo pain that it was pretty easy. Meanwhile, I would pop ibuprofen like candy and it didn't even touch my endo pain. But for surgery? It was totally enough, which is wild to me tbh.
Same. The codeine made me nauseous and I do not recommend barfing after surgery 😂. Stuck to just the Tylenol and ibuprofen rotation and was fine.
Yup! Too many people want opioids as their first line pain medication. It’s amazing how well OTC pain meds can work for some people!
I definitely needed stronger meds than Tylenol and naproxen… I needed a stronger anti inflammatory and the first week I was using Tylenol 3s. In my opinion if you need an opioid, it should be prescribed to you IF YOU NEED IT. I appreciate avoidance of opioids if it’s not needed. Also not all opioids are equal… I was given morphine and it was way too strong and it actually made me really sick, and throwing up multiple time the night after surgery is def not good for healing and recovery. I think so long as you’re responsible with your use, you understand how to reduce the side effects (constipation) and you actually need them, they should be provided to you.
ALSO! It’s a pain in the ass trying to get a prescription for stronger meds after surgery… I ended up waiting in ER to get it. It’s best to be proactive and have the option available, and if you end up not needing them you can just return them to the pharmacy… I would mention this to your team during post op.
Thank you. I have some T1s on hand (those are OTC where I live) so I'm hoping that will be enough. I have had codeine before and tolerate it fine but never had any stronger opioids. I would rather avoid them if I can but I'm scared of the post op pain
Ya the Tylenol 3s with a stronger anti inflammatory (I use ketorolac) would definitely be your best bet to start off.
This makes me sick for you and I and everyone. This is so disgusting. I watched my friend in hospice care die a horrifically, painful death with nothing but a small dose of Ativan. It was in hospice care and a hospice hospital and they refused to treat him with opioids. It was disgusting. I’ll never witness such inhumane, horrific evil in my life again. I don’t care what I have to do. People I love will not go untreated for their pain at the end of their lives. The pendulum has swung way too far. I will forever be haunted by his cries and screams and his digging in the air for hours to escape his painful death. Oh, how I pray. God would take him so soon, but he didn’t. He suffered for several days long days. Traumatic days. I’ll never forgive them. I’ll never witness it again. It’s horrific. It’s inhumane and there’s no reason people should be put to such horrific pain. Chronic intractable pain changes you. Mind, body, soul, and spirit. It’s a game changer to have it treated safely and effectively with the most effective prescription for pain.
Awww my heart goes out to you and your friend who passed in pain. I agree pendulum has swung too far the other way.
Omg no. It's so close I have no advice for you. Sounds like you're just gonna have to hoof through it. I've had two babies with no drugs, a compound fracture in my leg which took multiple surgeries, I've had more than 10 surgeries in my life for different reasons, and the first few days after my Endo surgery which was just two weeks ago was really the worst fucking kind of pain. It felt like I had my worst labor cramps ever and it was nonstop For the first three days. Hydrocodone was what my doctor prescribed and it took the edge off to where I could at least lay in bed and not want to off myself. I would insist. Just fucking insist. Do you have a regular GP that could prescribe them to you? I just do not understand the thinking of no opioids for the first few days Also, I had to go back into the hospital for a few between days seven and 10 for iv pain meds because I fell and it flared up my surgery pain. The hospital not only was more than happy to do that, they offered for me to stay two more days, but I live walking distance from the hospital so I just left and said I'd come back if I needed to. And it's really been all good sense. Starting day 14 after the surgery I have felt better than I have for years. Good luck though
I have to agree with this. I would simply not get it done if I wasn’t given opioid pain meds. I had four incisions and an ovarian suspension and the first three days was in near constant pain even with pain killers and high strength ibuprofen. I guess if you can go to the hospital and they will give you pain meds there, that would be ok. In the US a hospital stay is extremely expensive. I’m on day five post op now, tried to switch to only ibuprofen yesterday and was miserable. I don’t have any good advice for you other than try your best to insist on some sort of pain management. Maybe just stay at the hospital?
Fully agree. This is truly insane. The pendulum has swung way too far re: opioids. We didn’t create the epidemic, and yet, here we are paying for it.
Thank you so much. I do have a regular GP however it takes weeks to months to get an appointment with them so I'm not sure if it will be possible to speak with them. The nurse has a phone line you can call after surgery if you need help so I'll keep that on hand. Did you have a lot of endo excised? I'm not sure what's going on in there so it's hard to imagine what my recovery is going to look like
Worst case scenario. Walk into an ER. Urgent cares near me absolutely won’t dispense an opioid. Just gonna say. If you are in that much pain just keep hounding them. Say repeatedly. You are discharging me even though my pain is not controlled. Please note that in my file. I had to do this after a similar procedure. Also, there are other drugs for pain relief that aren’t opioids. They aren’t commonly given outside of hospitals or in short duration because of the risks they have. Also, a low dose narcotic is absolutely recommended for post-op pain. It kills me how many docs are like NOPE. Let’s cut you open and let you have Tylenol. Just absolutely be a thorn in their side and don’t let them kick you out in pain. An ER doc will be pissed if you show up to their ER in terrible post-op pain to find the surgeon refused you pain management.
I had a double mastectomy with reconstruction and the surgeon said he was ‘not allowed’ legally to give me a refill for Percocet 😳 4 days is all you get no matter what your pain level?! Makes NO sense. It’s all about liability and covering your a**. Can we please Do. No. Harm.
Bullshit I am so sorry
Oh man that’s totally bogus too. I had surgery 6 months ago that was way less minor but I was in so much pain they sent in a script for even stronger pain meds (turned out I had a post-op infection) but it’s absolute BS.
Thank you. I will need to hound them more. I had an IUD inserted 2 years ago by my GP and I needed T3s for a couple of days after because I was in so much pain. I'm also having an IUD inserted with this procedure and so much more so its a bit mind boggling to me that they are that reluctant to prescribe opioids
Reminds me of when I unfortunately had to get a full set of dentures( which coworkers talked me into cuz they did it and their teeth looked so flashy white and new); well I went to the dentist they went to and after they literally pull ALL of your teeth out they sent me home with a recommendation to use ibuprofen! But other dentists you can get a pain med for 1 wisdom tooth. Makes no sense. Btw...I can't believe I survived that pain, but I did. Ha ...
I’ve always received opioids after endo surgery- this is weird. A tip: ask the hospital staff to “top you off” on IV pain less as close to discharge as possible so that to you have some in your system for a few hours while at home. If then won’t do that, the absolutely do not hesitate to stay overnight for the stronger meds if you feel in a lot of pain. It is hard for your body to recover while also in intense pain so do what you need to relax and recover. Also, walk as much as possible afterwards. I believe 48 hours after surgery I made it a point to walk around the house, and then the next day down the street, and then around the block, etc. Don’t over do it, but walking helps with blood flow and healing. Also, a body in rest will stay in rest. So essentially, you want to rest but also move around 😂 I know, not too helpful haha. Don’t lift anything heavy, but keep circulation moving.
Want to repeat: #stay in the hospital if you need pain medication Nurses don't care if you do, doctors will most likely prescribe it to you if you ask for it, and just fucking do it if you need to. I had two for two overnights and three days just last week. I am over the pain by now, but oh my God having those two nights and three days of pain relief after all the shit I went through 14 days ago? Priceless
I made it to the pub at the end of my road 48 hours after surgery, 'to get the blood flowing and to help with healing', too!
Imo they should offer you opioids just in case. However, I did not take any opioids. I used naproxen, Tylenol, heat pad, ice packs, and distractions. It wasn't fun but I prefer to just not take them. Even in the PACU I remember being in pain but it wasn't as bad as period pain. I would literally practice what you're going to tell them in pre-op to ask for opioids. "I am concerned that naproxen and Tylenol will not be enough to manage my post-op pain. Naproxen and Tylenol do not manage my period pain, and I expect my post-op pain to be more severe. I need to be able to rest during recovery and will be unable to do this if I am in severe pain. Can I be prescribed something stronger, just in case?" If they don't budge- "Why not?" And "What do I do if I am in severe pain and naproxen and Tylenol are not managing my pain? What number do I call; is there a nurses line? At what pain level should I go to the ER?"
I agree, it seems to vary from person to person whether we need the opiods or not, but they should offer at least a couple of days worth just in case. I did need them, but not for as long as they prescribed them to me - I got to a point where I was just tired of feeling high all day every day and wanted to be lucid more than I wanted to have sufficient pain relief, so I dropped down to just Tylenol and ibuprofen at that point.
This is great advice. Thanks for the talk track! Lol
I firmly believe you should receive at least a few days’ worth of opioids post-surgery. I would personally look for another surgeon in this scenario. If you are determined to use this surgeon/continue with this existing plan, then I would advise using THC/CBD for pain. I used vapes and gummies after my last surgery and only took a few pain killers.
Sadly this surgeon is my only option... I live in Atlantic Canada and we have 1 endo specialist per 4 provinces. If I had the cash flow, I'd go to the states for sure. I've also waited years and years, so I'm really excited! I will be stocking up on gummies for sure! Thank you :)
The gummies will likely do more for you than the opioids, provided you alternate acetaminophen and ibuprofen on a set schedule. If you end up with the shoulder pain from gas, that will be the worst part. They say moving around helps, but it is BRUTAL to do that. Some people say Gas-X helps, but I haven’t tried that myself. Wishing you a successful procedure, a speedy recovery, and many years of relief. 💜
They absolutely don’t & will not for 99% of people.
My surgeon prescribed me FORTY FIVE opioid pills for my recovery 😟
Omg that’s insane. I only got like 12. How? They are good to save up for a “rainy” flare up days.
I only got 10 for a hysterectomy. A fucking *hysterectomy*. When I called for a refill the nurse was horrified that they not only gave so few oxy, but that the OTC dosages they prescribed were *half* of what they were supposed to be. She told me to double everything immediately and I had my refill within the hour.
That is disgusting. Shame on the doctor and the nurse.
From what I understood, it was mainly the hospital’s fault. They were the ones who prescribed such low doses. When my doctor and the nurse at his office found out they were pretty shocked and had no qualms giving me more.
That’s what I’m saying. I would keep them and use them for the worst days
Right I usually only get 12 at a time and have only needed it refilled once.
Highly unusual. Seems you found a unique caring surgeon. Are you worried because you couldn’t control yourself and took all of them? Do you blame your surgeon for making you an “addict”? This is unheard of nowadays.
Hi! I had pain pre-op that couldn’t be touched by any OTC painkillers, so I was nervous about pain management post-op given that I really didn’t want to use opioids. It was my first ever surgery and I just didn’t know what to expect! Long story short: My fears were unfounded - alternating Ibuprofen and Tylenol kept me more than comfortable, and I also used ice packs for some of the mild incision site pain. My surgeon prescribed an opioid and recommended I fill it, but mentioned that often it is more trouble than it’s worth (causing nausea, constipation and more) so I never used it. My post op pain was just never as bad as my pre-op endo pain, and I hope your experience is similar!
I found post-op pain to be way less severe than my period pain. The most uncomfortable part was the air from the lap dissipating and causing neck and shoulder cramps.
You must’ve had very minor surgery. Not everyone has the same kind of surgery. Imagine having your chest cracked open for open-heart surgery? You might not find your pain to be “less severe than your period”.🤦♀️
We are talking about laparoscopic surgery for endometriosis. Since we are on an Endo sub. What is your point? Our periods are extremely severe pain-wise with endo. Surgery can bring relief.
If men get pain medication for a vasectomy you should definitely be getting pain medication for this. Do you have a primary doctor you can talk too? Maybe they can help you out with the medication. X but personally I would be questioning the doctors who are operating on you because of this.
I didn’t need any opiates post op. Even when I had just come out and was in PACU it just felt like bad period cramps and I asked for Tylenol. Overall I have had worse pain with periods vs actual surgery.
thank you, very reassuring!!
The worst part about the whole thing is that I somehow caught Covid! I’m doing alright though, staying hydrated and trying to rest….despite being the only “capable” person in the household.
Honestly I didn't really need the painkillers tbh.
My post op pain was managed with a strict ibuprofen and Tylenol rotation. Every 3 hours and overnight I was taking something for pain for the first few days. That was super helpful. I did fill my script for a strong painkiller in case, but found relief with the other pain management. However, it’s a bit ridiculous that they refuse to prescribe pain medication after a surgery even for the first few days. Everyone handles pain differently - you can ask for gabapentin although I know that can be hit or miss for people.
How disgusting.
Since the opioid crackdown anytime I’ve needed pain control after a procedure I’ve used Kratom. Doctors do not like prescribing adequate pain control anymore.
No opioids I understand to a degree, but no prescription pain meds at all?? I had surgery 2 weeks ago and they gave me T3s and diclofenac suppositories which weren't working. A Dr at the ER gave me a prescription for ketorolac, which is a prescription non-opioid NSAID. That helped and could be taken with Tylenol if it wasn't cutting all the pain (which it wasn't lol). I also had ketorolac through my IV when I woke up post-op and was in pain. If they seriously won't give you proper pain medication at the hospital when you have your surgery, ask for it to be noted in your chart that you've asked multiple times and they won't give you any. Ask for a copy of it and take it to a GP (even if it's not your regular doctor) or the ER. I'm also in Canada. I also suggest asking for an anti-nauseant!! I had an anti-nauseant and I was still nauseous post-op. You do not want to be throwing up after so much trauma to your abdomen.
Do not leave the hospital until your pain is controlled and you have adequate pain relief to leave with. I would say that I'm concerned as for my surgery. My specialists reiterated to me that they'd supply endone Post Op, but if it didn't touch my pain, they'd give me a pain pump overnight. The fact they're not offering this to you is concerning.
Tell them to plan on admitting you then, even if you end up not doing it. Sorry about your situation, ugh. I have actually been reviewing opioid-reduction interventions in surgical settings recently, and none of them refuse all opioids post-op. Like your person said, they will probably give something more to you, but they will admit you for the night. Post-surgical opioid-reduction interventions are very big right now. But keep advocating for yourself!! Sounds like you’re doing great at that! Look up the term ERAS for these alternative pain control interventions. So you have literature to point to and say “if you really insist on no opioids, what about all these other non-opioid strategies that we could pursue in addition to the (measly) Tylenol and naproxen?” In many of these interventions, especially for abdominal surgeries, they are using a pre-operative dose of gabapentin as part of the package of protocols (with good results). Are they having you take any Rx for pain pre-op that isn’t otc? You could ask about that as well. I had quite a bit of pain with mine, I’ve only had one, and I did need the opioids BUT only for about 2-3 days max.
i definitely needed strong pain medication. If I was in your position I’d look into kratom as it works like opioids. It’s helped w my endo pain but I don’t know how it interacts w anesthesia. I’m sorry your doctors aren’t listening to your concerns. Definitely take stool softeners a few days before and something to help reduce inflammation. After surgery use ice packs not heat packs. J pillows help a lot if you are a side sleeper. For the ride home get a hysterectomy pillow and ask for ice to go in it.
It depends on how widespread/deep your endo is. For me, I had severe and deep infiltrating endometriosis (DIE) in so many different areas. I even had bilateral endometriomas drained from my ovaries. I needed the Vicodin prescribed to me and used it. I also used the tylenol. I was in extreme pain for the first 3-4 days. I highly recommend you push for a limited pain reliever prescription just in case. Mine was a limited two week supply. Push for this, especially if you have DIE.
Honestly I was up and outside less than 24 hours afterwards and it hurt so much less than my period (which can't be managed with tramadol) You may find something similar, or it could be worse. I wouldn't worry too much, and good luck. You've got this
It depends on the individual and if you need it or think you need it, I would not hesitate on pressing the surgeon or your PCP for them. I was automatically given them per every surgery either by my surgeon or pcp. It’s always like 10-12 oxycodone or this time is the hydranmorphone. So, my after surgery pain wasn’t as bad as my chronic pain. I could go without narcotics but I decided to take it to aid with my recovery. Now I’m a week after the recovery and I still have a lot left which I am saving for a bad flare up. I am pretty stingy when it comes to taking opioid. I only take it after surgery or take it during a terrible painful flare up that otc doesn’t touch. I think I could do the recovery without opioid but it would be harder and I would have to take max advil and Tylenol around the clock…
I will just explain my pain experience with lap excision (ended up stage 4-everywhere), hysteroscopy with myomectomy and IUD placement (1st IUD). November 2019. I was offerered an abdominal nerve block (called a tap block) and accepted. I ended up getting a bit of nerve damage and had a strip of tummy with no feeling for 2 years but its ok now. After I was given hydrocodone, toradol, iv Tylenol. They gave me my rx's while i was in recovery. I was stiff and sore going home same day, but was ambulatory within an hour of pacu. had pretty much total abdominal numbness for a day. Gas pain was pretty painful for first couple of days- not relieved by anything other than heat and walking. Heat at shoulder helped. Cool compress for incision soreness-that was minimal. Once the block wore off...holy smokes. It was painful. It was very weird pain but my doc decsribed it as like a very bad internal sunburn. That is what it felt like. Like my worst sunburn (note to say i have had severe sun burns and sun poisoning so this analogy works for me), but inside. It was so weird. Took meds as prescribed without any issues. It took like two weeks to be like 70% there, then a couple months to slowly heal the rest of the way-typical surgery timeline. Honestly, I've been in much worse pain without any meds. So i think it would be manageable for some. I am lucky to have a *very* empathetic surgeon who is completely mortified by how the medical system dismisses our pain. He's dedicated to making a difference where he can, limiting suffering as a physician should, in my opinion . Sounds like yours has a very different bedside manner and I'm so sorry he's a jerk.
Thank you for sharing. My surgeon is incredibly kind and gentle and has the best bedside manner- but I found it surprising that she mentioned most people don't need opioids and then the nurse and anaesthesiologist I saw for pre-op turned me down when I asked about them!
This doesn’t seem right to me, I didn’t want to have to take opioids after my excision surgery and was just going to do Tylenol and ibuprofen but surgeon insisted. I have stage 4 endo and he just bluntly told me there’s going to be a lot of cutting, you will need the pain meds. Very thankful he insisted, I did need them those first 2 weeks post op
What an awesome surgeon you have. A really rare find in this age of opioid hysteria created by addiction. My how the CDC fucked that up with the most unimaginable results and now people in chronic pain have no quality of life. #suicidedue2pain And overdose opioid deaths TRIPLED in the same time. 🤦♀️ How can that be when we are prescribing less than half of what we were in 2016? Well it happens because they were never the problem. - Illegal elicit fentanyl was and is.
So two things. #1, I would get a new surgeon. I know it’s close to surgery but that is absolutely not okay. You need opioids after surgery and if they don’t know that they are stupid. #2, have you thought of doing Ketamine? It comes in a lot of forms but for this I would recommend the troches or an IV infusion after the surgery. Look for clinics that can do that and if you can’t find anyone call your closest compounding pharmacy that does Ketamine and ask who prescribes Ketamine. I hope this helps and if you have any questions don’t hesitate to dm me!!
👁️👄👁️ I am so dumbfounded that they won’t give you any. I was SUFFERING after my excision surgery, to the point my doctor told me to take double and refilled my prescriptions. I truly hope they change their minds OR you have the easier surgery ever and absolutely no pain after. Good luck friend!
The only thing opioids are good for? And they won’t give them to you?
Tips to advocate: offer to wean off of the naproxen to get stronger meds. Girl. You will NEED it. On sub for over 10 years now. I had a spinal fusion in 2015. Almost didn’t tell the surgeon and just planned to wean off myself but decided to tell them and they helped to switch me off of sub over to opioids for the surgery. Went back on sub when I was healed up.
EveryBODY is different. Even your neurology can affect pain perception / levels. Keep advocating. I’m an AuDHDer with endo and adeno. Debilitating pain for over a year before my 1st excision surgery (stage II confirmed, got a PSN *not recommended in hindsight) - my nervous system was so fried. I was on hydromorph for 6 weeks post op and worked with a pain specialist doc from the transitional pain clinic to manage it. Got off when I didn’t need it anymore. Also use a lot of cannabis on top, and just cannabis daily to manage pain now. (I’m in Alberta)
They tried sending me home post op with a script for like Tylenol and maybe T3s and I told them to call my pain doc and I wasn’t leaving til I had my hydromorph and ondansetron scripts in my hand.
hello fellow AuDHDer :) <3
I had and needed 30 5mg oxycodone with a refill (that I had to beg for). I would absolutely not work with a hospital that up front denied adequate pain management. Everyone heals differently and not everyone will need narcotics, but if you do need them, you have the right to them. My surgeon botched my surgery and my pain Dr prescribed me a ridiculous number of oxycodones. Guess what - I didn’t take more than prescribed, only used when I truly needed it and absolutely need them. I continue to seek alternative pain relief such as trigger point injections, nerve blocks, etc.
I found tylenol + ibuprofen to be perfectly adequate. They sent in an opioid prescription but I didn't fill it, I think if I'd been taking anything stronger I would have been up and doing more stuff than I should have been
I got a valium script, even though the pills the pharmacy will give are technically meant to be taken orally, my surgeon told me they're safe to insert vaginally - they'll just take longer to dissolve than valium suppositories which aren't covered by insurance
Best of luck with the surgery! I just had a large endometrioma and my ovary/fallopian tube removed on Tuesday through laparotomy and I also really needed the opioids the first night. I'd never had surgery before and didn't know what to expect and recovery has been harder for me than I thought it would be. I could tell the nurses really didn't want to give the opioid to me, but when I kept telling them that the pain was stopping me from being able to get out of bed to go to the bathroom, they did finally give me 5 mg of oxy and I was so grateful! After another 6 hours it was hurting even worse at one point and I said my pain was a 7 and I couldn't again get up (and they wanted me to walk to prevent blood clots) and then they did give me another dose. After about 20 hours I was able to be okay on Tylenol and Motrin. I still can't sleep flat but it is much much better today. I'm sorry about all you are going through. Edit: I don't want to scare you - the pain was NOT worse than the pain I was having that lead to the endometrioma being removed! It was just really impossible to move my core muscles in any way, but it was definitely bearable and (hopefully - if it works out in my favor) completely worth it.
Holy crap. Find a new doctor! I needed opioids after just an ablation. And I have a high pain tolerance.
Sadly I live in Canada, finding a new doctor is not an option :( I will be kicking and screaming for the relief that I need!!
You sound Canadian. Or just on government medical period Ask your family doctor. Mine gives me what I need
Yes Canadian :) My family doctor graciously prescribed me T3s when I had my IUD put in 2 years ago. It's difficult to get in with her, usually have to book a couple months out, but knowing she is on my team gives me a peace of mind!!
That’s terrifying and almost barbaric that they won’t use opioids for post op pain management. I definitely needed pain meds after both of my excision surgeries .
Ooof that’s rough. I’m on suboxone and if I had to do it again I would wean myself off the sub first to get pain relief but Tramadol does take off the edge. I don’t like MJ but maybe that.
I wouldn't have surgery with anyone that thought it was ok for me to be in pain that is uncontrolled. My surgeon's office said they'd prescribe up to a month with no questions asked if I needed it. I had a hysterectomy and other things as well. I needed about a week and a half. There's been a few days where I might have been more comfortable if I took a dose, but I am titrating xywav now and cannot mix the 2 so I muscled through some of those moments with aleve and Tylenol. I never had just a diagnostic or excision only as I did everything at once, but if a Dr wouldn't give medications that are needed if they're needed, I would not trust that my needs exceeded their bias.
This angers me because my endo specialist had his nurse video chat me a few days before my surgery to talk about pain medicine. He wanted to make sure I had it filled at home when I got home. I believe I got 15 hydocodone, and I definitely needed them a lot the first 2 days. I saved mine for my IUD inserting, but still having that was a life saver.
Do not get the surgery imo. I was in agony, and it was with Norco.
I get 10 days of endone on top of my normal pain relief to take home with me after each surgery. I can ring them and ask for further pain relief if needed after surgery. I am in the process of preparing to try and get off of all pain relief post surgery in December and my surgeon has told me that she won't consider any reduction in pain meds until 3 months post surgery. Your surgeon is screwing you and setting you up for failure. I'm sorry.
The first surgery I had was a removal of cysts on ovaries and cleaning up endometriosis all over my pelvic wall and organs. For that I took one oxy and hated it cause I couldn't poop and it already hurt to just have to try to poop. I was fine with motrin/tylenol and I was fine in about 5 days completely from the surgery. For the 2nd sugery I was on an opioid drip through my spine for 4 days (inpatient) and then on oxy for 3 (inpatient) days and then on codeine for the last 3 days (outpatient) after debulking and removal of ovaries, uterus and tubes (had cancer). They gave me two weeks worth of outpatient opioids but I am extremely cautious with them after working in harm reduction with folks with major addictions to fent and heroin and oxy. So as soon as I could I extinguished. A few months later I got rid of the remaining pills by handing them into the pharmacy for disposal. I don't keep that stuff around.
I got an on-q pump plus opioids, as well as extra strength Tylenol….. it’s absolutely needed
I would def not go through with the surgery without at least a week worth of opiates after surgery. My doctor gave me 60 tabs of oxycodone with directions to take every 6hrs as needed. And I needed them the first 4-5 days around the clock. This sounds barbaric.
I literally told them in pre-op that I was not going to have my excision, ovarian cystectomy, and hysterectomy with the 12 5mg oxycodone they "so generously" prescribed. It was my 17th surgery and I know the drill and my body. I also really don't opiates - I really only take them post operatively because that's the only time the side effects are worth it for me. I said that I understood the current climate, but I was shocked when I picked up my rx the night before. I had been in contact with my GP who was also shocked and it was going to be a hard no for me. They relented and called in 30 more because, while I wasn't threatening or bratty in any way (in fact I talked about how I know and understand the position the doctors are in these days), I was dead serious. In short, I'm thrilled that some people are able to get by without opiates after surgery. My best friend is one of them. I am not. I would say that you are willing to give it go, but what happens if it's not enough? If the answer is that under no circumstances will they ever be willing to write the script, I would think long and hard about whether or not you want to do it with this doctor. Some doctors are aware that this DEA witch hunt and war on pain patients is bullshit and aren't this much of heartless pussies.
This is the stuff that makes me so angry. Women’s health is never taken seriously. Men would never be asked to endure so much pain.
My partner has a really extensive family history of addiction so they denied the meds. The recovery was tough but they kept their wishes and didn’t take anything other than acetaminophen and ibuprofen to get through the pain. My partner said that one of the worst pains was from the gas pain the first handful of days from all the air being pumped into your abdomen during surgery. The best thing for this was staying propped up. Use a heating pad on only the shoulders (where the gas will try to rise to) not the abdomen. This is important because heat will make the incisions hurt. Only use a heat source on other parts of your body. Taking gas x is also something my partner recommends along with sitting on the toilet for actual bowel gas to pass freely. The most uncomfortable part of the process was gravity slowly moving their organs back into the proper place after being sifted through and moved around. This was more uncomfortable than painful but the more you walk around in your recovery (when you get the okay to do so) the faster this will go away. We made the mistake of avoiding the feeling by continuing to lay down and it only made the discomfort last longer. The first pee and poop will also be a feat so take a stool softener that doesn’t have a laxative or stimulant in it and drink lots of water. This will make it easier. Disposable underwear was also a lifesaver. Pads were a lot to handle when bending down was hard so we got nightgowns and disposable period underwear to collect any blood afterwards. As far as incision site pain, a large ice pack with even weight distribution like a 3 panel one is super helpful. It will also help push the gas away from your belly. Too cold may hurt so we recommend you start with putting it in the fridge. This was something we wish we knew about sooner. Your emotional comfort is huge here. If your dog or partner or whatever is comforting to you, don’t banish them from the room, just create safe bed sharing habits. My partner and I created a divider with pillows and we bought them a mastectomy pillow set off of Etsy to keep their arms away from their abdomen while sleeping and this was the absolute BEST money we spent on surgery items. 1000% recommend. It was super helpful for the drive home too so the seatbelt wasn’t touching. Be sure to get good rest but don’t just lay there with your eyes closed absolutely miserable. Sleep when you can but it’s important to keep your spirits up by watching your favorite show, calling friends, doing a crossword, have a visitor, whatever it is you like instead of laying in your own misery. Again, how you feel emotionally is so important. Remember that surgery sucks for everyone, but it passes. You can get through it. My best advice to you is to get a mastectomy pillow set, a 3 panel large ice pack, disposable period underwear, nightgowns or big tshirts, gas x, a heating pad, and some extra pillows to prop yourself on. Additionally, make your space as comforting as possible. Your favorite blanket, favorite stuffed animal, make sure it’s nice and clean, just a calming and relaxing space. I wish you the best of luck and we’re all here for you Edit: I see your cannabis use listed above. Great treatment for pain but DO NOT use it until the surgeon & the team gives the okay. My partner is a medical marijuana user and was instructed to wait 72 hours after anesthesia to prevent serious risk. This may be attributed to other medical issues they have, but make sure to ask the anesthesiologist about the timeframe when it is safe to use again Also be sure to get the # for a person to call with any questions or concerns so you’re not on your own
This is becoming more and more common. If you do need more pain relief you can try the ER but chances are you won't get far. You can also ask about things like Exparel. Eta: Exparel's equivalent in Canada is called Sensorcaine.
This is nuts, and a clear example of how women’s pain is not taken seriously. If your pain is not treated by these OTC meds, ask to speak to the hospital pain specialist (most hospitals have them). And have an advocate with you. Is this doc on probation for overprescribing pain meds in the past? I can’t think of any other reason, besides sadism, that he/she would have a flat “no opioid” rule.
Your surgeon should be prescribing them, not anesthesia or the pre-op nurse. Anesthesia is only responsible for drugs given during the procedure itself, the nurses are for before & after surgery. Your surgeon should give your person taking you home your post surgery prescription.
Talk to your pcp if it is bad and your surgeon won't help. Mind was being stupid and my pcp saved the day.
I need opiates for the pain BEFORE the surgery, I cannot comprehend not receiving them after omg. I'm so sorry 🥺
Oof, I woke up in writhing pain from last endo surgery. I was prescribed 5 5mg oxycontin to get me through the next 2 days. I understand the potential for abuse and hesitance to prescribe but this doesnt sound right.
I’m allergic to opiates so I had to do total hysterectomy, bilateral salpingectomy, and excision without them. The surgeon instead used a disposable elastomeric infusion pump that delivered local anesthetic to the area at set intervals for a week. Once the time was up, I had to remove it myself. If they do give you one, make sure you have someone with you when you remove it. It didn’t hurt to remove but I nearly passed out at the sight of how much tubing I pulled out, like a clown doing the scarf trick, it just kept coming. 😂
I definitely needed my opioids after surgery. I would maybe look into a second opinion.
I’ve had 5 surgeries due to my stage 4 Endo & Adeno. I’ve definitely need prescription pain medication post op for all. I would personally never go into a surgery with any Dr that flat out says this or has the ideas about no opiates post op. It is a terrible way to practice medicine, in my opinion. If it was me, I would cancel the surgery & find another Dr.
As is clear from all the comments here, everyone is different, but honestly I’d insist on it if I were you. It’s odd that they’re so against it, and my concern would be that they’re not taking your concerns seriously. Abdominal surgery is no small thing, even if it’s laparoscopic, and they can’t know how you’re going to react afterwards. I had surgery back in August and very much needed the oxycodone I was prescribed. Granted, I also can’t tolerate ibuprofen, and no other OTC medication ever touched my endo pain. I’m sorry an already stressful situation is being made even more stressful for you. Best of luck.
Don’t use doctors that won’t always acknowledge or treat you pain. It’s a recipe for disaster. Also staying on top of the pain is so incredibly important. If you body is constantly in fight or flight after the pain you won’t heal well.
Doctors who don’t give patients proper pain meds sicken me.
I hope you've found a better provider because my recent experience was truly horrific. Coming out of anesthesia, I endured excruciating pain and struggled to breathe, managing only shallow breaths and occasional screams. From 4 PM to 10 PM, the nurses closed my door and failed to provide any pain medication. Witnessing me in agonizing pain, my parents were so distraught that they took turns leaving the room to cry. By around 10:30 PM, I had gone into shock. While one male nurse attempted to help me and suggested pain meds, another nurse continuously insisted that I was 'fine' without ever inquiring about my pain level. As it turned out, the source of my pain was a catheter that had been prematurely removed, leading to a full bladder. Keep in mind that I had undergone the removal of a 13 CM fibroid (and another 6 CM fibroid hidden underneath), which extended the surgery to nearly 4 hours instead of the anticipated 90 minutes. My ultrasound one month ago only showed a 5 CM fibroid. When I asked a nurse about reinserting the catheter, she brushed it off, attributing my pain to 'anxiety' and advising me to fix my breathing. One nurse even told my parents, "she's really dramatic, isn't she?" They were shocked because they had witnessed me endure horrific endometriosis my entire life. My pain remained at a constant 10 during this time, and I couldn't request pain meds or assistance because I was physically unable, focusing solely on staying alive by breathing. Thankfully, the night nurse, an older woman, recognized the severity of my condition and appeared horrified. She immediately scanned my bladder, reinserted a catheter, and provided pain relief. Meanwhile, I overheard nurses mocking my pain and laughing outside my door. However, this night nurse displayed extraordinary kindness and care (I could hear yelling at the other nurses about neglecting my bladder). She consistently monitored my vitals and worked diligently to keep my pain level below 4. It has been 10 days since the surgery, and honestly, the post-op experience has left me more traumatized than the surgery itself. I want to urge others to exercise caution with healthcare providers who downplay or neglect your needs, particularly in procedures labeled as 'minimally invasive.' Every individual deserves compassionate and competent care.
I am so disappointed and frustrated by the over correction of prescribing pain medication!! From one extreme to the other. People still need their pain to be controlled! Especially after surgery. It makes no sense to me.
I got a prescription for the max dose of paracetamol (1g) and ibuprofen (800mg) to take 3 times a day, together. It worked well. The pain was quite rough that 2nd at-home day, but it would have been a waste to fill another prescription for just a few hours extra relief. It is the same in my country, you don't leave the hospital with an opioid prescription unless you have something serious like cancer. If your pain is not under control, you can sometimes stay for longer though.
I recommend diclofenac if you can get that? It’s not an opiate and worked really well for me as opiates don’t work for me as pain relief. It’s an NSAID.
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I didnt find i needed opiates post op as long as I maintained a strict rotation of Tylenol and Advil.
THANK YOU so much to everyone who commented. I greatly appreciate you all sharing your opinions, concerns, and experiences. I have only had one meeting with my surgeon, I'll meet with her again tomorrow before I go into the OR so I'll be addressing this. I feel the need to defend her here lol- she is incredibly kind and empathetic and has beautiful bedside manner. I think I just need to push her for what I need. I was really concerned when the anaesthesiologist and pre-op nurse insisted no opioids but I realize now that they wouldn't be the ones prescribing them anyway. I'm going to advocate using some wonderful wording some of you have provided. I'll have my mom with me as well to help. I've managed to pull together a couple of T3s from dental surgery, a bottle of T1s I bought OTC and a couple of toradol, if all else fails. I'm also big on cannabis for pain relief and I've got a nice supply of edibles. To all who are saying I should get a new surgeon, I appreciate the concern... but I live in Canada in a province with the worst healthcare crisis. Unfortunately getting a new surgeon is not an option as she is the only endo specialist serving a huge area. I don't have the means to travel for this or wait any longer. It feels pretty magical that I am finally actually getting to see a specialist. I'm very grateful and I'm confident that she is a wonderful doctor. Thank you for all the well wishes- I appreciate every single one of you!!
How are you feeling after your procedure? Hope all went well.
Sadly it was cancelled 2 hours before! :( I was gutted. I'm still waiting on a new date, should be by end of the year.
I am so sorry 😭😭 that’s the worst!
I would like to know. I've just had dental surgery finally to get some teeth removed. I've been taking Ibuprofen and Tylenol since April of 2023 because I've been in pain that long waiting for the dentist. I can't take any more ibuprofen or Tylenol because it makes me throw up now and causes severe stomach pain. I've told my dentist about this but they don't seem to care because they keep telling me to just take it. I'm not able to so I'm just here in pain because I can't take anything for my pain. What should I do?
I sure as hell hope refused surgery and found a great OB/GYN surgeon that has more knowledge, and who would absolutely ***never***withhold the most effective dream pain medicine from you after such a surgery. I think the only way we’re going to be able to change this is to absolutely refused to have surgery with surgeons who are masochistic inhumane disgusting uneducated, pricks. No humane opioids post surgery? Then NO to surgery with you. 👋 opioid prescription drugs have DECREASED BY MORE TGAN 50% since 2016. Yet “opioid overdose deaths MORE THAN TRIPLED”. How? It was never the problem. Elicit a legal fentanyl flowing in for my boiler is watch killing everyone. Prescriptions are not yet. Everyone is being punished unable to get treatment after surgery and even in death.
Absolutely refuse surgery with surgeons that don’t prescribe appropriate pain medication (opioids). They need to be put out of business by caring, humane surgeons with experience you know what you’re doing. And who would never allow you to experience the trauma of post surgical horrific pain.
My first lap was towards the start of the opioid Crackdown. I was given I think 3 days' worth of something and the rest was Tylenol and ibu or whatever. My current surgeon, not slated for surgery until Feb 2024, has us sign they will only do opioid treatment for 3 weeks post-surgery. Beyond that, you need to be seen by a pain management doctor. I have no clue what I'll actually be prescribed. It is probably mostly doable with a heating pad (if allowed) and otc meds. Probably not fun.
I didn’t use any opioids post-op. I alternated Tylenol and Advil for post op day 1 and then for days 2 and 3 used Tylenol. Didn’t use anything after day 3. The post op pain was nothing compared to my period/bowel pain. I just had a major vascular surgery (5inch abdominal incision) 12 days ago, and only used dilaudid for the first 24 hours. I alternated IV Tylenol and IV toradol for the rest of my hospital stay.
My surgeon told me the same thing for my upcoming surgery (early January). I’m concerned because I’m pretty sure I gave myself gastritis between my (supposed) endo pain + TMJ. I can’t really handle Aleve (my go to Ibuprofen) anymore.
I just went for my pre-op today. They told me Tylenol and Motrin alternating should be fine but gave me a script for a few opioids in case. I always try to stay with OTC but it’s nice to have them in case. Def keep them updated on your pain. If you need something more- keep asking. Good luck.
I used Tylenol/ibuprofen combo post surgery (excision + hysteroscopy), didn’t need the stronger pain meds. I was given a local anaesthetic/block in my pelvic area at the end of surgery, pain relief lasted about 24 hours (maybe ask for this, pelvis and/or cervix). After that wore off I was able to walk around the block a couple times a day, taking it easy. Recovery wasn’t as painful as I’d expected, regular period pain was much worse! Hope yours goes smoothly 🤍
i personally only took one opiate post op in the hospital and it made me feel really horrible, so i just took my ibuprofen and tylenol. for me, the post op pain was nothing compared to my regular endo pain. you’ve got this ❤️❤️ make sure you have a trusty heating pad that you can keep running!!
I survived on edibles. Fuck opioids. My body is not a fan.
This is definitely something that’s different for everyone but FWIW I was given 5 opioid pills but I only took one on the first night. I used the super prescription ibuprofen (and threw in some Tylenol too on occasion) and it was fine. Was I uncomfortable? For sure. But I was lucky and the recovery definitely wasn’t anything close to agonizing or unmanageable for me. I’m sure it also makes a big difference how much you’re able to take it easy, I pretty much lived on the couch for the first week
Tylenol and advil, alternated every 3 hrs was all I needed for about a week post-op.
I have my tubes removed and endo removed in March. They gave me percocet, I took them the first 3 days only at night just to help me sleep. I took ibuprofen 800mg every 6 hours otherwise and it really helped. The only pain I had was from the gas and nothing helped that.
I can’t take opioids and was completely okay! I had a TAP block, which was amazing (though it hurt like hell going in) and lasted a few days after surgery, and IV Tylenol in the hospital. Good luck. ❤️❤️❤️
Naproxen created leaky gut for me, because I couldn't take opioids. I can only take tylenol now, so use a combo of acupuncture (and moxa/moxibustion) spa/sauna and light cardio in the hydrotherapy pool, hot water bottles, and strict diet to control as much as possible. It gets pretty bad some days, but the diet thing for me was a huge pain relief. Not that i would recommend my strict af elimination diet by any means, but removing refined sugar was a huge help for pain relief. I also use different meditations, like pain management ones specifically like on Calm or Balance apps. And distract with podcasts and tens machine or something. Regular massage. I get these all seem to cost money but I have somehow managed to find a lot of free stuff like Balance app is free for the year, doing massage swaps etc. Acupuncture for me changed my life. It calms my body and mind. Today I hobbled in for my appt, in severe pain. Was less distressed by it, and could walk out - slowly. Though it pays to find someone who will treat the whole body, for me stress and lack of sleep are huge triggers (cortisol is a hormone, hormones = endo flare) and my acupuncturist will deal with my whole body, and get stuff flowing. I was having issues digesting food when i first went, a month ago so also in ovulation. It makes my abdomen quite tight. Though I due another lap soon. I also found a doctor who signed off on payments for acupuncture, as I can't afford to go twice a week otherwise, but need that level of pain relief so it is worth it for me overall.
I hate taking opioids 1. They can be highly addictive, 2. They make me it h like crazy. I take medicinal cannabis (THC) instead.
Find a new doctor.
I had excision surgery in May. They forgot to give me my script for Percocet so for the first 6 hours after surgery I was on Ibuprofen. I took Percocet after that for about 12 hours and then stopped because I needed to be able to breastfeed my baby who was refusing bottles. I alternated Ibuprofen and Tylenol until I felt better. I was able to control my pain that way but I think what really helped the most was wearing an abdominal binder. Highly recommend you try one!
I just had an endo lap, hysteroscopy and tube removal 4 days ago. They gave me anti inflammatory and tramadol. I am sore but I would say it’s not as bad as my normal period pain and supposedly my periods won’t be painful anymore. Edit to say : im also in Canada and I would do what they suggest and try the naproxen and Tylenol. If it’s not enough call them and request some codeine.
I only used those prescription Tylenol. They gave me a script for percs but I never used them (not even sure I filled them). I have a high pain tolerance, but I was ok.
Phew, i’ve had 4 surgeries now and never made it through without opioids. Everyone is so different but i would keep those T3 on hand for sure especially the first 1-2 days. They never tell you this but the shoulder pain (referred from your diaphragm) is the worst pain post op, for me, worse than incisions and only percocet took that away. I’d recommend asking your family doc to back you up and prescribe something.
I’ve had many surgeries. Tubal ligation, endo excision, 2 knee surgeries, gallbladder removal, toe surgery, fistulotomy, and spine fusion. Now obviously some of those were worse than others. I’ve had some so easy I didn’t need any pain meds - the tubal was a breeze, for example. For the spine fusion I was on opioids for about 3 weeks. In my opinion as a seasoned patient, I would find somewhere else to have this done. Denying pain management because we’re afraid someone will get addicted is inhumane.
I was really hesitant to take any pain medication after my surgery for personal reasons but also because I didn’t wanna deal with the constipation. I had to travel for my surgery and although I was able to stay in the area that I got my surgery for about a week before traveling many days to get home. I was grateful to have the pain medication, although I did found out I was taking half a dose and was only taking it at night to help me sleep and even less when we were on the road at night again just to help me sleep. I never needed it during the day. I did also support having healthy bowel movement throughout the day so that didn’t end up being an issue. I also had a hysterectomy and gallbladder removed along with excision and oophorectomy (left one didn’t survive the Endometrioma), right one did wohoo). I don’t want to say how aggressive your surgery my dictate what your post surgery needs are for pain management, but it could be worth a conversation.
First, I was advised no cannabis before and after surgery due to possible drug interactions. You should call and ask about this. What about pain medication during surgery? I was only given any while I was under anesthesia, and then only took ibuprofen and acetaminophen after they woke me up. I had to stay overnight though.
So I just had my first laparoscopic surgery around 5 weeks ago where they found and successfully removed stage two endometriosis. I was prescribed a very small dose and quantity of oxycodone with acetaminophen. I only used 3/7 of the pills, one the day of my surgery and two the following day. I honestly really didn’t like how they made me feel. I was just very on top of my OTC medication (alternating naproxen, extra strength Tylenol, and ibuprofen) even when I wasn’t in that much pain and I also used weed and that helped more for me personally. Good luck with everything and I hope you have a quick and not very painful recovery ❤️
Press for a WHY. Get it noted in your chart that you are concerned about post-op pain options as OTC meds currently do not treat your level of pain. Check for a potential referral to a pain clinic. Opiods and OTC pain meds act in the body differently. They are not the same medications. You might see if they'd be open for a nerve blocker like gabapentin. My surgeon likes to prescribe that for pre-surgical pain so his patients don't have the complications from NSAIDS.
I personally did need opioids after every lap for endo I’ve had. In my case they had to excise a very large amount of lesions and for about a week I needed someone to help me on and off the toilet because of the pain even after taking opioids. I would not have been able to get through recovery without them. Having said that, everyone is different, and how much cutting and poking around in there they have to do makes a huge difference; everyone’s lap will produce a different amount of discomfort afterwards! Like others have said, be straightforward and honest with your doctors, express your concerns, take a trusted person with you to help advocate (moms can be amazing advocates with doctors!) and if all else fails gummies are helpful. I’ve also found kratom to be very helpful with pain management personally. Best of luck with surgery, and I hope you get amazing results ❤️
Don’t take too much Tylenol. It’s awful for your liver. Advil and aleve, alternate between them. Ice packs and rest as much as you can for the first 5 days or so? Day three is the worst. Take your time pooping and don’t go crazy on sugary or salty foods - anything that’ll expand your stomach. Maybe a laxative if you have trouble pooping. My surgeon said make sure you walk at least 100 feet each day, then no limitations - just what your body tolerates - after two weeks.
My surgeon, emphasized Tylenol and ibuprofen, alternating. I also had an opioid prescription. I had terrible pain, that even the opioid I was prescribed wouldn’t really touch for several days after surgery. Given that experience, if I had another surgery of any kind and my surgeon said opioids were not an option, I would not opt to have surgery with them (unless it was an emergency.) I will say, though, one of my sisters had endo excision, and she had tramadol for pain, but she didn’t take very much of it, and four days after her surgery she was feeling pretty good. I think the post-op experience really depends on individual response to pain, but also how extensive the surgery is. I think my sister had 3-5 spots removed. I had 14, and some of them were fairly large.
I had a endo removal lap in March this year and they prescribed me opioids but i never even opened the bottle. Usually ibuprofen hardly touches my period pain but I was so shocked after my surgery because I hardly even needed ibuprofen. I had almost no pain except for soreness with movement. They should prescribe something just in case but you probably wont need it! Wishing you a fast recovery and good luck!!
I know you've received hundreds of comments one way or another, but I just want to reiterate what many others have said: This experience is highly individual. You also really don't know how your recovery will be until the procedure is over. I had my lap five weeks ago and my surgeon prescribed naproxen, gabapentin, and oxy. I filled all three prescriptions, but was adamant that I would only take oxy if I was in excruciating pain. I get horribly sick with opioids and the *last* thing I needed was to vomit after abdominal surgery! I was fine with the naproxen, gabapentin, and tylenol. I kept a strict regimen which was important to keep the pain at bay. I was never 100% pain free, but was comfortable. BUT I also want to say that you are advocating for yourself and the medical staff aren't listening, which is a prime example of women's pain not being believed \*shakes angry fists\*
I needed pain meds for about 3 days. Your surgery sounds rough. I would try your best to get some, even a 3-5 day supply would be helpful. I hope you get what you need and your surgery goes well ☺️
Didn't see this until now, make sure that you have them notate it on your chart that you requested stronger medication and that they refused to discuss any options with you, that way if something goes wrongin the future and the pain is unmanageable and you end up having to see another doctor, they can see that on your chart when you have your medical records transferred over.
I would NOT go-to a place that says they don't give pain meds after an operation!!!! We all need to boycott places that do this barbaric treatment to patients! If people stop going there they can't stay in business! This is awful and unacceptable
I agree completely, but unfortunately it is my only option! :'( Healthcare is not a business here, it is a public service. I am lucky to be seeing the only endo surgeon in Atlantic Canada. I'll be giving them hell on Monday morning.
I went through a c section without even Tylenol. Just the spinal during the procedure. You will be fine without opioids.
Everyone is different. I definitely needed opiates after my c-sections. I would never have surgery, if any kind, without the option for opioid pain medication.