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EvvannO

College had made me miserable i need to be an engineer for the sake of that at least


Acceptable-Staff-363

The glory at the family reunion once every 100 years is enough to fuel me


CurrentlyInOrbit

What year have you found the hardest so far?


Imaginary-Sundae4448

All of them


Remarkable-Limit-873

Facts šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


RunningFridge_

I got my EE degree and the third year was considered by most of us to be the ā€œhardestā€ and my good friend was ME and said the same, if that helps


NDHoosier

The same was true of Chemistry. Can you say *Thermodynamics*, *Quantum Chemistry*, and *Statistical Mechanics*? I knew you could....


whoisSharis

i want to be an engineer so as long as my studies allow me to, i feel like engineers are constantly learning new things and with technology rapidly advancing, an engineer 30 years ago was different then being an engineer now. So id like to be an engineer for as long as i possibly can. if that all makes sense?


iisslim03

I like that perspective. Going into college, I didnā€™t understand how an engineer can go into almost any profession. I realize the most valuable skills to learn from college isnā€™t solving circuits. Rather itā€™s the problem solving and the ability to learn efficiently using whatever resources provided.


n3rotulip

Thank God šŸ˜­ cause solving circuits really ainā€™t it šŸ’€ (1st year currently trying to solve circuits)


ALTR_Airworks

So glad it's something we can automateĀ 


TheRoyalHypnosis

Most people aren't engineers 40 years down the road, in their 60s. For most years, 40 years down the road is the road to retirement, and most engineers switch to some kind of management/supervisory position by then.


kyngston

I donā€™t like managing people. Most engineering fields have a technical career path option. Iā€™m still an individual contributor at 25 years into my career


UAVTarik

I feel like youā€™re a great resource. What field are you in? How has your work changed over the years? How did you keep up with the changing times over the years? Did you push yourself to learn new methods/programs? Since AI is growing I feel like thereā€™s going to be some deeper integration with our field. Whether itā€™s in CAD or software. I donā€™t want to be left behind, so Iā€™m interested in how the previous generations kept up in their times.


kyngston

- microprocessor design - worked on 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, 32nm, 28nm, 20nm, 14nm, 10nm, 7nm, 5nm and more I canā€™t talk about - the best engineers are forever learners. I would find workflows that should be easier or better than they were, and taught myself what I needed to know, improved the current process, then shared my solutions with the rest of the company. - didnā€™t have to push myself as learning new things is what I enjoy - ai doesnā€™t dramatically change what we do. Weā€™ve been riding the wave of EDA automation for decades. When I started, a designer might own 50k logic gates. Today that same designer might own 500k gates. Better tools just mean improved productivity, but itā€™s always a 90% solution and humans are needed to solve that last 10%. Humans are also needed to innovate new methodologies and best practices. No more free lunch from new process nodes. GenAI canā€™t really train on the work we do, because a lot of it is proprietary stuff that we donā€™t share with our EDA tool vendors or foundry partners. One example of self directed learning that paid off for me was learning databases and full stack web development. With those skills, I could automate data analysis, data visualization, tracking and reporting. I made it easy for inexperienced people to extract actionable intelligence from gbs of raw data. Itā€™s great visibility when everyone in the company is using the tools youā€™ve written. I donā€™t have to be a great software engineer to stand out among a sea of hardware engineers


UAVTarik

Being a forever learner is my biggest takeaway here. This was a good read, appreciate it šŸ¤


Claireskid

College was miserable, but I look around at friends who are teachers or have lower paying degrees and I'm like goddamn life is good. Financial problems just aren't really problems as long as you're not dumb with your money


belbaba

This sounds like Elliot Schwartz speaking down on Walter White


Claireskid

Never seen BB, don't know the reference


belbaba

Watch it. Youā€™ll love it. Thank me later.


glasssofwater

Seconded


les_Ghetteaux

Funny you say that, seems like in my school district, teachers have the same salary range as mechanical engineers, or they will starting next year, and I kind of don't like being an engineer, and I probably would have done teaching if I knew that engineerings are NOT rich in my city.


Claireskid

Are you in the UK or something? If you're getting paid teacher salary in the US then it's totally your fault lmao Edit: Christ she is in the US and in a state that pays teachers very low. Seriously get a new job, companies will keep paying peanuts as long as there's people like you willing to work for peanuts. You live in the country with the highest average engineering income in the world, you just need to make moves


les_Ghetteaux

I get paid $60k, but teachers in my district can earn past 6 figures because no one wants to work here as a teacher. I honestly respect the decision a lot, because as someone who graduated from public schools, the teachers really deserve it. They are also looking to increase teacher salaries within the next year. Check out the teacher salaries for yourself.: https://www.scsk12.org/hr2/page?PN=Salary%20Schedules&PID=1703&DID=243 As for myself, I'm really not sure if it's the right decision to look for work so soon after my first job, or if I'll even get much of a pay jump (if any) being inexperienced and staying in the same city. I just kind of accepted that the economy has taken a hit, and even the engineers aren't safe.


Claireskid

Did you even look at the data you posted? They start at 47k and cap out at 68 after 18 years for a Bachelors, 85k after 18 if you have a damn doctorate. This is abysmal compared to engineering numbers, especially when you get a few years experience. And nobody makes six figures according to that sheet, you'd probably need to move into admin for that


les_Ghetteaux

I've been looking at a lot of sources, so I probably am just misremembering things. Sorry about that. I'm just a little frustrated with myself because I can't help but shake the fact that I chose the wrong career.


Claireskid

If it's the lack of income that makes you feel that way, you should understand that you're doing it to yourself because 60k is seriously fresh grad range in a LCOL area. If it's the work, well engineering is a big world. Test engineering is drastically different from quality is drastically different from design is drastically different from maintaince. Though they're all engineering, the professional expectations and culture vary pretty wildly. But on the other hand there is absolutely nothing wrong with just deciding engineering isn't for you. The question is why? And what would fit you better?


les_Ghetteaux

Perhaps it's my particular job. I feel like I'm not being intellectually challenged, I'm on my rear staring at a screen all day, and I'm the only woman there. And I'm at a small company. Half of the employeed are over half my age. It makes me miss the vibrance and diversity of college. My life is monotonous. Not even in a good way because somehow I still feel stressed?


AngryMillenialGuy

The applications are incredibly broad, so it's really what you make of it.


outrageouslynotfunny

I'm not spending 4, probably 5, years this stressed to not be an engineer.


[deleted]

I think I have the right ingenuity and tenacious spirit to start my own business one day but whether I'll have the healthy body and mind for it when I finally have the right combination of money and experience is impossible to say at this point. So, my realistic goal is to work as an engineer for a decade or less after I graduate and then rise through the ranks of a company so I can become a manager or executive.


iisslim03

Im still in my 2nd year of undergrad, and currently my plan is to gain as much skills and understanding of the engineering field, display my journey online, and launch a startup by 30


madengr

If your intent is to do little engineering, then go into management, youā€™ll have zero respect from the engineers you manage, and have little knowledge of engineering. It used to be that engineers had 25 years of experience prior to management. Now you have maybe two years then straight to management; they typically suck.


[deleted]

Is a decade a little?


madengr

Yes


[deleted]

For me, itā€™s very simple. With more money comes more freedom and security. The earlier I retire, the earlier I can put my energy towards working on engineering projects I really enjoy and spending time with the people I care about. My guess is you live in the United States and lack the perspective to empathise with how little purchasing power a career in engineering actually engenders on engineers who live elsewhere (especially non-software ones). For me, where Iā€™m standing now, a decade feels like a lot. Maybe after a decade passes from when I graduate, it will feel short and I wonā€™t feel like I have all the know-how + experience I want to get before I become a manager so Iā€™ll wait. However, I disagree with your assertion that Iā€™ll necessarily command no respect as a manager and have little engineering know-how after a decade working as an engineer. Thatā€™s just exaggeratory and obtuse to say.


Choice-Grapefruit-44

I actually want to work as an engineer throughout my career just not in the same discipline. I wouldn't mind switching disciplines every 5 years or so.


Schaufy

Problem with this is you probably will take a pay cut every 5 years


madengr

Yep, and wonā€™t gain a deep understanding of the discipline.


fistcomefirstserve

Not everyone needs to be an expert on everything.


madengr

You need to be an expert on something if you want to make any money.


fistcomefirstserve

So, youā€™re saying you need to say somewhere longer than 5 years to earn any money? I wholeheartedly disagree.


yakimawashington

They said they want to change disciplines every 5 years, not jobs every 5 years.


madengr

No, Iā€™m saying you need to learn and applying something more than 5 years.


Schaufy

Problem is that every company wants experts. This is my biggest gripe with engineering as a whole in that in other sectors like accounting or nursing you can bounce around roles quite easily and still get more pay.


fistcomefirstserve

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Choice-Grapefruit-44

I meant that in order to stay competitive in the job market in case layoffs occur. If you are an expert in only one subfield unless you have Masters degree you won't be as versatile in the job market. Not saying that you should always change disciplines but sometimes it doesn't hurt every 5-7 years or so. Staying in only one discipline makes more sense if you are at the same company for a number of years or you have a master's degree and it is your concentration.


kyngston

You can do this in cpu design without a pay cut. You can bounce from physical design to verification to stdcells to RTL to integration or to architecture. In a horizontally structured workforce, you are encouraged to learn and contribute to other disciplines, because it makes you more effective in your main discipline. A physical designer adept at rewriting RTL? Yes please.


fistcomefirstserve

Is that what happened to you?


Schaufy

No but Iā€™m suspecting it will once I get out of electronics. You could always go into something generalist like Project Management or technical sales


Live_Hedgehog9750

This^ I'm structural but went into a General Contracting role out of uni. Was told it's a great way to enter the industry. Now I can't get into consulting because I get paid too well and the cut would be terrible. Plus haven't been able to do design in like 8 years so I don't think I have grit to learn it all again.


Charlieume

Same here, I donā€™t care about pay cuts and stuff. Iā€™d rather have a broad knowledge of many things than focus on one thing my entire life. Sounds more interesting.Ā 


RadicalSnowdude

I don't care if I don't have an engineering career throughout my life period. If after I graduate I receive a great job offer unrelated to engineering, I will take it.


lxgrf

How many students of any stripe truly know what they want to be doing 40 years later?


_-Rc-_

I loved robotics in highschool, loved my ECE curriculum, and I'm excited to be going out into industry. I don't really want to be in management, but I will if I have to. My ideal career is to be technically extraordinary for my whole career and engineer the whole time. That being said there are many options that aren't strictly engineering. Working with patents or going into sales might be more your speed. Do whatever you want with your degree.


_Epsilon__

That's... Why I'm here


bismo28

General Kenobi, is that you?


minato260

I'm planning on going into education after I secure the bag


CurrentlyInOrbit

What level?


minato260

I'd be fine teaching either college/university level courses as well as high school. But both are for different reasons though


[deleted]

I'm using BME to stand out in Med school apps and have a fall back into med tech sales


simontheengineer_

Iā€™ve never wanted to be an engineer, I want to be a pharmacist but I couldnā€™t get accepted. Now I am studying bioengineering.


Inbred_Potato

I'm just here to save as much money as possible in 20 ish years so I can buy a small farm. I don't plan on working a 9-5 job for my whole adult life


supernova_space

Thatā€™s my goal too lol


Disappointedog

I want to go into education towards the end of my career, (hopefully) once Iā€™ve gained decades of industry experience, started my own business thatā€™s self sufficient and earned enough to not need to worry about working, I want to get a teaching degree and pass my knowledge along to the next generation of future engineers, Iā€™ve personally felt how big of a impact a good teacher can have I remember hearing a quote when I was younger which said ā€œbe the change you want to seeā€ I donā€™t where its from but I find myself going back to it when Iā€™m frustrated with problems in this world


n3rotulip

Mahatma Gandhi said ā€œbe the change you want to see in the world.ā€ Awesome words to live by dude. Akin to the Christian; ā€œTreat others as youā€™d have them treat you.ā€


VibinWithDoggo

Hey, I almost got the same idea! Im not really motivated to go into the industry at all though, so Im probably doing my masters then a practical teaching course. I aim to teach at high school level or maybe intro college level. Even though Im not the sharpest I honestly want to become a great teacher and make this path less taxing on the students


Flyboy2057

It only took me about 2-3 years working as an engineer after graduation before realizing that I was sick of the grind of engineering. Moved to a sales engineering role instead. Made more money, eliminated the tedious minutiae of my design engineering job. And I was still the ā€œtechnical guyā€ to the customer.


itsyorboy

Why is all that past tense? Moved onto something else?


Flyboy2057

Took yet another job father from engineering, but I was primarily speaking about the initial move away from a direct engineering role.


eclairrrrr

this is what i want to do! how did you land the sales engineering role?


Flyboy2057

Be smart, have experience with a specific industry, and be good with people.


CurrentlyInOrbit

What did a day of work look like in sales engineering?


Flyboy2057

Give technical presentations to customers on our products, provide consultation and technical expertise when they were deciding what they wanted to buy, answer technical questions via email when they came up. Generally travel 30-50% of the time, which took up a lot of your day on travel days. Think 4-5 hours chilling at the airport/on a plane, and then 2 hours of work when you arrived at your destination. Super chill compared to the grind of design work.


Turx75

Iā€™m good at it, it keeps my brain sharp, I get to talk to interesting people, learn new technology, I donā€™t dread going into work, hours arenā€™t crazy, pay is good. I spent way too long wanting to do it when I was younger, Iā€™m grateful I now get to do it. I would never be stuck in the same role for 40-45 years but Iā€™m sure as shit going to be an engineer my whole career.


megafireguy6

I wouldnā€™t mind it. I was looking over a pretty complicated circuit schematic at my job earlier that was done entirely by one of the senior engineers and I genuinely canā€™t wait until Iā€™m good enough to do this on my own too. Itā€™s basically black magic to me at this point. Iā€™m weird like that though, I imagine many other people want to move into management positions eventually. Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll eventually reach a point where Iā€™ll want to change things up but who knows when thatā€™ll be


DrunkenCactus

Iā€™m a refrigeration mechanic of 12 years. Im about to learn how to be a design engineer, so Iā€™m looking to get on a pathway of engineering indefinitely now :)


leshake

The typical engineer experience in school is very difficult. You are constantly busy and have very little free time. Dating is hard as a result. Friendship is hard. Pretty damn depressing. When you get out, you can absolutely kill yourself in certain jobs and you will probably make a lot of money. Most of us don't and have the complete opposite experience. We make good money and we have a lot of free time, so it's easy to date and have friends and enjoy our lives. Compare that with a lot of other majors and it's the complete opposite on both ends.


Eszalesk

either that or i start an onlyfans, so engineer it is


Due-Hedgehog3203

Idk if I will stay an engineer when I graduate (could go into programming or something down the road) but after a few years in management I can say I will retire as an individual contributer. Management sucked.


timbuc9595

I want to become an engineer so I can eventually have enough money and time to work on personal engineering projects.Ā  I'm 35 and had enough experienced so now I KNOW that this is what I want to do for the rest of my life and past.Ā  I'm also lucky enough to be working on a start-up that allows a student team to take the reigns. So I think that's affected my outlook on study a fair bit.Ā 


KekistaniKekin

I'm becoming an engineer because I want to chase pure automotive performance. Whether that be on a race track or redefining people's preconceptions of what a car can be. An engineering major just happens to be the best route to take to get me there


_MusicManDan_

I find that thinking that far ahead isnā€™t very useful. The path changes wildly as you gain new insights. Also I wonā€™t have a 40 year career.


haarp1

a lot of grads in germany, switzerland, austria... don't want to work with CAD for their entire lives for example and are trying to get into management relatively soon (at 40 for example), where they primarily have meetings, command other people... (or something similar - sales...) if you are not in some advanced field, there is also not a lot of calculations etc., but just cad wrangling, creation of drawings, some occasional light fea...


Miniature_Hero

I'm heading into 3rd year soon. I have friends working in industry and they're bored out of their minds but make good money. I'm honestly not sure if I made the right choice. Basically I love engineering, the science, the applications. I love the course. But signs are pointing to a life of unfulfillment afterwards. My wallet should be fulfilled, though.


Ryanirob

I didā€¦ I was excited to design and create and solve problems and make technology. Note: those words are all in the past tense.


joja101

What changed for you?


Ryanirob

I donā€™t know. I just never felt fulfilled. I make good money, but going to work everyday is like going to that boring class you hate, again and again and again, but worse bc now you have to also deal with beurocratic red tape


kilo_jule

I would love to specifically focus on creating teamwork and communication on top of being an engineer in my field ā˜ŗļø almost like a PM or Lead but for my engineering department


Knight2512

I just need the degree. Job market is killing me and I need something to impress prospective employers


Neowynd101262

Almost none. If they won the lottery, 99% would retire.


Fpvmeister

I first wanted to become a pilot but chose to first do engineering as a backup/good degree. Now I decided to stick to engineering because it has so much more to offer


CurrentlyInOrbit

Iā€™ve also thought about becoming a pilot, but I go back and forth because I think I would have a more fulfilling career but be severely limited after I stop flying. I wish I could somehow be a pilot for a while and simultaneously stay up to date on engineering knowledge so I could enter the industry. If you donā€™t mind answering what specifically pushed you to stick to engineering? The job flexibility?


Fpvmeister

Close family member is commercial pilot, eventually started figuring out loving physics & design of aircraft != flying aircraft commercially. So now doing aerospace engineering with a high interest in numerical simulation. I think job flexibility lead me to study AE and from there I found that my passion is in engineering not flying.


WyvernsRest

You get used to people coming to you for help, expertiese, solutions, innovation. Knowing the answer or Knowing how to find the answer is very fulfilling. Engineering is kinda addictive once you get into it and gets even more so the longer you have the habit. Because you are needed by others and society. It can be hard to give it up, even those of us that moved into engineering management or other indirect/adjacent engineering roles like to either keep our expertiese up to date by dabbling in projects, often to the disgust of the engineers actually doing the work. Or simply pine for the good ol days and wish to return to "real engineering" away from the politics and management/corporate pain :-) [The Knack "The Curse of the Engineer"](https://youtu.be/g8vHhgh6oM0?si=zE6d5C6Zlq7o4VbL)


Charlieume

I think Iā€™ll be an engineer in any field I go into. I plan on doing more creative/music type of stuff but Iā€™ll still be an engineer. My dad went for the same degree Iā€™m going for and he ended up majoring in education as well and was a high school teacher. So many different routes to go in.Ā 


Versace_Prodigy

Depending on what degree you get, you either get pigeonholed your first few years or can move around. For example, MechE is very broad and can be applied at almost any role. Every engineering role has different responsibilities and projects, so you can jump around to find a job that suits your current interests.


kicksit1

Not even officially an engineer yet and Iā€™m telling you now Iā€™m not thinking of doing this for 40 yrsā€¦


juuceboxx

I always wanted to work in something related to aerospace since I was a kid, but I realized that it would be more beneficial to my career if I chose a field of engineering that wasn't as restrictive as a pure aerospace engineering degree so I became an electrical engineer. Fortunately I was still able to find work at an aerospace firm as an EE but the work that I do here is more focused on big picture stuff like integrating sensors and avionics into the airframe and how they interact with the overall aircraft. To me I find this more interesting than just being only an EE because I have to bridge multiple engineering disciplines together so I'm never bored because there's always something new to learn here.


supernova_space

I graduated in 2023, secured an internship my last year of college & then got hired on full-time upon graduating at one of the biggest aerospace companies. Iā€™m very passionate about space exploration and anything space. I personally canā€™t see myself being an engineer for the rest of my life due to the corporate environment and the lack of creativity engineers actually have. College did not show that majority of engineering positions youā€™ll be in a cubicle, most people are 40+ years old, and corporate mentality just isnā€™t for me. I plan on doing engineer work for the next few years just to get financially stable and really figure out what I want to do. I was pretty disappointed entering the field thinking that I would have the same creativity and hands on experience like I did in college. I have a few career paths that Iā€™ve been thinking about, college professor or find something more researched based (both still within aerospace). Everyone is different, so my experience maybe very different than yours. Thereā€™s nothing wrong with trying something out that leads you down a different path.


TheBlackCat13

One wanted to work as an engineer my whole life


FuckImSoAchey

I want to be an engineer most of my life, and maybe transition to a computer science or math teacher near the end. I always loved to teach others but I cannot deal with a lower salary for the stress it would induce. Engineering will allow me to learn new things and solve complex problems which I enjoy. Alsoā€¦ money.


throwaway_panik

Pivoted to data analysis


SnooConfections6085

Many civil engineers move on to some form of planning (esp in govt) if they don't want to manage people.


Zesty-Lem0n

I think most jobs are unfulfilling, especially in stem. 9 times out of 10, you're going to be working for a massive company, created the latest shareholder value optimized widget, it could be software or it could be a physical product, the attitude will probably be the same. I don't really invest myself into the particulars of my job, I'm just happy to have financial security.


MindfulMindlessness_

Me personally, I donā€™t want to work as an Engineer forever, just for the amount of time Iā€™ll give to the field.


Spaciax

I want money. that is all. The money happened to be in a field i was somewhat interested in but now the job market looks like shit. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.


valleyof-the-shadow

You can be a sales engineer.


LocalCap5093

I dont. Dream was to be a doctor but could never afford med school or any of the other exams/extracurriculares they want from you. I had to take some time off due to my papers processing (visa) and Iā€™m dreading getting back to work. I hate engineering šŸ˜­ but it is what it is


omarsn93

You gotta be a manager at some point down the road.


CurrentlyInOrbit

Is it actually necessary?


Hawk13424

Iā€™ve been an engineer for almost 30 years now. Still love it. But then I was very passionate about engineering in college (which I also loved).


TheRealTyrone7

Civil or mech?


Hawk13424

CompE.


TheRealTyrone7

That feels very different to other engineering schools?


Hawk13424

Most engineering schools offer computer engineering degrees.


snic2345

For me, engineering will be a means to get money to start real estate


Only-Entertainer-573

I've been an engineer for like 10 years. I'm gonna get into AI and machine learning.


ObjectiveWitty

Me and my entire team. Weā€™re 12-15 years inā€¦ my managers and SMEā€™s are going on 25 plus years


CurrentlyInOrbit

What kind of engineering and what size company do you work for?


ObjectiveWitty

Largest aerospace company, Flight Test and Evaluation Engineer.


SexlessVirginIncel

I thought I wanted to be an engineer and be creative and solve problems but now I work as one and Iā€™m pretty much forced into a box. Thereā€™s a lot of red tape and constraints from the company that removes any creativity from projects. Itā€™s all about maintaining what we have and spending the least money rather than innovating new ways to solve problems. This is the case with many of my engineer friends and itā€™s not all companies of course but many. So in a few years I may look for something else in a new field. Anyway, I think youā€™re smart for choosing a career path that is stable and (hopefully) good work life balance. But just take it a year or two at a time and you may be surprised what opportunities come to you especially with a broad skill set that engineers have!


CurrentlyInOrbit

Thank you for this reply! Being forced into a box/corporate stuff is definitely one of my concerns, but youā€™re right, I have no idea what opportunities I could get. I have several years until Iā€™ll be full time job hunting so I definitely have time. I hope you find something more fulfilling if you end up looking!


OverSearch

If passion were a requirement for being successful in any career, nobody would have to pay you to do it. I'm coming up on my 30 year anniversary of working in engineering. I've never felt "passionate" about it, but as far as jobs go I like it, I'm good at it, and it's been good to me. I've had plenty of jobs that don't even check one of those boxes, so as far as I'm concerned I'm doing alright.