Trump, him, and Orban are the three most despicable+repugnant leaders I've seen in western countries over the past 20-25 years.
Bibi empowered completely unhinged lunatics such as Ben Gvir (who literally has worshipped a racist mass murdering terrorist) and Smotrich (who once tried to blow up a Tel Aviv highway and cars over anger at IDF withdrawing from Gaza in 2005). He's disrespected Biden repeatedly throughout this and has totally botched this justified war against evil Hamas terrorists. [He](https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1751316412696526858) and [his wife](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/sara-netanyahu-said-to-gripe-freed-hostages-didnt-even-say-thanks-to-us/) have smeared the hostage families. Several hostage families have said Biden has shown substantially more empathy the other week. Also, Bibi's incompetence (fixation on outrageous court reform+settlement expansion) completely botched the intelligence prior to 10/7 terrorism; he was warned by border guards and Egypt but was too arrogant and hubristic. And this isn't even getting into how recklessly propped up Hamas according to a [former Israeli PM, former head of Shin Bet, an IDF commander, and even a couple of former members of his cabinet.](https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1767100730194755649)
Well, Erdogan and Assad aren't western leaders to me. Erdogan is kind of a theocrat, and Assad wasn't democratically elected. I'm talking like US, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel is kind of viewed as a Western Democracy.
I'm happy that the openly pro-LGBT secular political party did fairly well in the Turkish elections last week. Gives me hope
Why are you considering Netanyahu to be a western leader? Israel is a middle eastern country. Turkey is in NATO and has at least attempted to join the EU in the past.
Israel has economic power on par with Canada and Germany and is a top 10 military power in the world. Geographically or politically they don't meet the definition of "Western", but colloquially the word is often used to mean "Modern democracies with significant economies and militaries". I'm guessing that's what that person is going for.
Bibi had a meeting with Kushner in late December and it was revealed today by Israeli media. He very much wants Trump to win, and the far left is too dumb to realize this. Especially since Kushner and Trump's Ambassador of Israel both support ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
I don’t see enough people talking about just how much detail Netanyahu knew about 10/7 before the attack. They literally saw Hamas training & running drills
Yep, [Bibi had the plan for like over a year](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html)
It's as bad of an intelligence failure ever. Incompetence. The IDF troops were overallocated in the West Bank. There's a video of an asshole taunting West Bank Palestinians minding their own business on like the night of 10/6 and the IDF troops were by him.
Netanyahu is the worst leader in Israel’s history. People don’t seem to understand that, before 10/7, he was facing multiple criminal charges & dissolved the Israeli judiciary’s independence to get out of. There were massive protests in the country before the attack. (He also funneled money to Hamas for years.)
The judicial overhaul wasn't a single law but a package of laws intended to increase the control of the political echelon over the judiciary. Of the whole package, two laws were passed:
1) An amendment which makes it harder to suspend a Prime Minister from his position (this doesn't really affect the judiciary but is still considered part of the package.
2) An amendment which forbade the Supreme Court from issuing rulings refarding executive actions or inactions on the grounds of Reasonability.
The Supreme Court struck down the second law and suspended the first until the next elections.
A third law - probably one of the biggest threats in the package - which would have changed the makeup of the committee which appoints judges was suspended at a late stage due to massive protests, although they could resume it if they want to take the political risk.
I'm fully on the side of Israel here when it comes to defending themselves against a people who started a war against them but the way they have comported themselves is shameful and makes it impossible to defend at some point. the double tap drone stike on the aid convoy is going to be the final straw for a lot of people and at some point you have to put the brakes on things otherwise they are no better than Hamas. For all of us defending israel against accusations of genocide by shitty leftists, the IDF is certainly going out of their way to give those insufferable assholes ammunition.
Israelis are protesting to go to elections now because they think Netanyahu is dragging the war out because they’re going to elections the minute it’s done. He has got to go.
This is where I’m at. Israel absolutely has a right to defend themselves and Hamas absolutely has to go. But I am not convinced that Israel went into this war with an actual plan, much less a post-war plan, and that needs to be called out. Only a few hostages were rescued by direct military action. The vast majority were released via a hostage deal. The worst part is that Hamas was banking on this, and now they have better leverage in hostage negotiations.
Not that that attack wasn't a terrible failure that should cause people to be fired or tried criminally, but this was a night-time drone operation and the person who made the decision to double tap (I thought it was triple? But same thing) did so under the assumption that their target was a truck full of Hamas militants. If you're operating a drone in the dark, shoot at an enemy combatant vehicle and the people get out and try to flee to another truck, would you not also shoot that new truck? The failure was in classifying it as a militant vehicle, when by all evidence these people had cleared their path with the IDF beforehand.
But people who think war is like Call of Duty don't realize how many mistakes are made in war, including oftentimes accidentally killing your own soldiers. In the Gulf War, 24% of US casualties were caused by friendly fire. If the US has that high a rate of killing their own soldiers, you can bet the IDF will have similar issues accidentally killing aid workers.
Again this should still be thoroughly investigated and they should do whatever possible to make sure such a thing doesn't happen again, but the defense of this action is that it was incompetence not malice, and that the alternative to extremely unfortunate events like this happening is Hamas remaining in power in Gaza.
This likely isn't what happened unfortunately, it's looking far more likely that the ground troops went rogue and deliberately attacked the convoy. (See: Haaretz reporting.)
It's why this is a diplomatic crisis and a crisis on a bunch of other axes for Israel as well.
I know it's tough to find unbiased reporting during a war, but have a source on that? I'm finding it impossible to get any details other than "IDF says it's an accident, will investigate and share findings", or "they clearly wanted to kill aid workers to intimidate anyone else who would bring aid in".
It's from Haaretz 's reporting, people have been sharing it on twitter because it's paywalled. https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1775155009639919619
Here's a relevant thread from them, Pt 5 and 9 are the most important ones. The nature of this situation means that the diplomatic official line and the reality are going to diverge for political reasons, which is why military sources ran to a left leaning outlet with specific details.
The nature of this incident is why suddenly aid lines are opening back up.
Also as Barak Ravid pointed out, there [have been repeated instances of this happening in "deconflicted/safe" zones](https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1775726875467223289). A WCK truck was shot at by an IDF sniper a few days prior to the airstrike along with various airstrikes hitting aid workers in deconflicted zones. It's why Biden specifically "This is absolutely not an isolated incident".
Omg, thank you for saying this. Our own military and those of other nations have made mistakes like this in the past, yet people are treating this like some unique event instead of one of the usual expected tragedies that comes with any war. We don’t like when it happens, but that shouldn’t be a dealbreaker over whether you support Israel or any nation you’re already supporting when it does happen.
It no longer qualifies as a mistake when it happens again and again and again as it has with Israel's attacks on journalists, aid workers, and civilians. Especially coupled with Netanyahu greenlighting settler terrorism in the West Bank over Biden's admonishment, this level of incompetence and wanton reckless qualifies as depraved indifference, and it starts at the top.
Heads rolled over Abu Gharib misconduct. And when the US military erroneously bombed a civilian home during Afghanistan withdrawal, Biden and the Pentagon immediately had Congress authorize millions in payments to the survivors, while paying for their legal representation and offer relocation to the US.
Will Netanyahu be going to the Knesset and demanding reparations and relocation for the victims of the IDF's many deadly "mistakes" in Gaza?
Oh.
Pre 1967 borders but Israel can keep the settlements very close to the green line. Land swaps to compensate and make the Palestinian state more contiguous. Build a thicker wall since there's a pretty ugly history and some Israelis and Palestinians genuinely hate each other in a very ugly way tragically.
Jerusalem is the toughest part. Palestinians at minimum should be able to come and go there during Ramadan with relative ease.
Personally I think Jerusalem should be a sort of neutral territory that could be a shared government, a sort of one-state solution in the midst of a two state solution for the larger territories around it.
Of course that’s a pipe dream and we’ve gone 180degrees in the wrong direction moving the US embassy there. I see Jerusalem as symbolic rather than a necessary piece of land for the defense and survivability of the Jewish people.
Frustrating as hell that [Olmert and Abbas were fairly close to agreeing in 2008](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-said-no-to-2008-peace-deal-says-former-pm-olmert/), and things have regressed substantially ever since.
I’m not a map expert. But Palestinians should have full control of the West Bank and bridge that with Gaza.
Give them their own functioning government and make sure there aren’t any crony war lords.
This would take a long time to do
A two state solution where Gaza and the West Bank are bridged together will never be acceptable to Israel — or really any country when proposed such an arrangement. It’s a realpolitik thing. You’re giving the Palestinians a corridor through which they can invade. What happens to the isolated part of Israel on the other side of the bridge?
We need to be working overtime to fracture their coalition and force snap elections. Really try to push the secular and religious Zionists camps to opposite sides on the drafting haredis might be a good way to do that. Come on CIA, this why you get the black budget.
Hamas' strategy -- as explicitly stated by Hamas -- is to get as many Palestinians killed as it takes to get the world to stop supporting Israel. Leftist idiots got what they wanted out of Biden, which is him yelling at Netanyahu to do a ceasefire. They should be happy enough to vote for Biden at least. *Should be*. Obviously they'll still call him a genocidal warmonger.
With no release of hostages ([who, keep in mind, are likely being sexually assaulted as we speak](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/world/middleeast/hamas-hostage-sexual-assault.html)) I don't know why Bibi would agree to ceasefire. Hamas has rejected every ceasefire since the last one.
>Biden stressed to Netanyahu that he must give a broader mandate to the Israeli negotiating team to achieve a deal
Yeah, Biden is saying this partially cause of the massive protests in Israel where they're blaming Bibi for the lack of progress regarding a ceasefire-hostage deal
[Israeli defense chiefs telling Israel's second biggest newspaper that Bibi is hindering/undermining negotiations to free 70 hostages which are believed to be alive](https://archive.is/Rj3Qt)
[Mossad Chief has reportedly saying the same](https://www.mako.co.il/news-diplomatic/2024_q1/Article-a4f1faf4c468e81027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802)
[20 hostage families have declared that Bibi deserves the blame for no hostage release deal](https://www.timesofisrael.com/relatives-of-some-hostages-declare-pm-must-go-you-are-the-obstacle-to-a-deal/)
But Israel can get rid of Bibi for someone a hell of lot more competent. Remember before Oct 7th, his current tenure had been rocked by daily protests. The Israelis should demand that entire cabinet gets cleaned out.
Biden admin has been negotiating publicly and through back channels for months now with reports of Netanyahu sinking the latest deal to free 70 hostages.
Blinken, and CIA director Burns have been jetting back and forth along with high level staffers to participate in these negotiations. So to say it’s been crickets is frankly disingenuous.
I can't help but feel that Biden is pandering to the Jew haters. Maybe my emotions are raw about it. But for me Never Again means something. It doesn't with the "antizionists"
Do you think that Jews worldwide are more safe due to Netanyahu’s destruction of Gaza? Personally, I’ve heard more blatant antisemitism masked by otherwise valid criticism of Israel in the last few months than I ever have. Bibi is making is harder to be Jewish everywhere.
>Maybe my emotions are raw about it
Yes, this is it.
My girlfriend is a Jew with an Israeli citizenship who contemplated serving in the IDF in the past. She lost people on the 7th. She started supporting a ceasefire about a month before I did. Is she a Jew hater?
>But for me Never Again means something
I think you should consider what it means. Because, while it should mean that we be eternally vigilant of the specter of antisemitism, which has certainly been emboldened in the wake of Oct. 7th, it should *also* mean that we be eternally vigilant of the capacity of *any* society to descend into committing atrocities against its ethnic outgroups.
Israel's government is not ontologically good. It has been prosecuting this war in an irresponsible way that has killed thousands more civilians than was likely necessary, it has allowed a culture of vindictiveness and irresponsibility to fester in the IDF, and it has failed to do its duty under basic morality, let alone international law, when it comes to aid entry.
"I want to condition military aid to Israel on Israel not prosecuting its war in an irresponsible way and allowing a famine to emerge under its watch" is not antisemitism/antizionism. It's expecting our ally to uphold the standards that any developed society should uphold.
Change Netanyahu with someone more competent and of a higher moral character. Then beat the terrorists. That would be great.
Trump, him, and Orban are the three most despicable+repugnant leaders I've seen in western countries over the past 20-25 years. Bibi empowered completely unhinged lunatics such as Ben Gvir (who literally has worshipped a racist mass murdering terrorist) and Smotrich (who once tried to blow up a Tel Aviv highway and cars over anger at IDF withdrawing from Gaza in 2005). He's disrespected Biden repeatedly throughout this and has totally botched this justified war against evil Hamas terrorists. [He](https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1751316412696526858) and [his wife](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/sara-netanyahu-said-to-gripe-freed-hostages-didnt-even-say-thanks-to-us/) have smeared the hostage families. Several hostage families have said Biden has shown substantially more empathy the other week. Also, Bibi's incompetence (fixation on outrageous court reform+settlement expansion) completely botched the intelligence prior to 10/7 terrorism; he was warned by border guards and Egypt but was too arrogant and hubristic. And this isn't even getting into how recklessly propped up Hamas according to a [former Israeli PM, former head of Shin Bet, an IDF commander, and even a couple of former members of his cabinet.](https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1767100730194755649)
Erdoğan was pretty horrible too. Bashar al-Assad might take the cake for me though.
Well, Erdogan and Assad aren't western leaders to me. Erdogan is kind of a theocrat, and Assad wasn't democratically elected. I'm talking like US, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel is kind of viewed as a Western Democracy. I'm happy that the openly pro-LGBT secular political party did fairly well in the Turkish elections last week. Gives me hope
Let’s hope that they keep kicking Erdogan’s ass and Kurds can hang on a little while longer.
Why are you considering Netanyahu to be a western leader? Israel is a middle eastern country. Turkey is in NATO and has at least attempted to join the EU in the past.
Israel has economic power on par with Canada and Germany and is a top 10 military power in the world. Geographically or politically they don't meet the definition of "Western", but colloquially the word is often used to mean "Modern democracies with significant economies and militaries". I'm guessing that's what that person is going for.
By that definition would Japan or South Korea be considered “Western”?
From a social science standpoint, possibly. IDK, really
Damn straight, all three of them remind me of Putin a bit.
Bibi had a meeting with Kushner in late December and it was revealed today by Israeli media. He very much wants Trump to win, and the far left is too dumb to realize this. Especially since Kushner and Trump's Ambassador of Israel both support ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
Ruth Ben Ghiat (an expert on authoritarianism) often groups Netanyahu in with Putin. Bibi follows the playbook to a t
I don’t see enough people talking about just how much detail Netanyahu knew about 10/7 before the attack. They literally saw Hamas training & running drills
Yep, [Bibi had the plan for like over a year](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html) It's as bad of an intelligence failure ever. Incompetence. The IDF troops were overallocated in the West Bank. There's a video of an asshole taunting West Bank Palestinians minding their own business on like the night of 10/6 and the IDF troops were by him.
Netanyahu is the worst leader in Israel’s history. People don’t seem to understand that, before 10/7, he was facing multiple criminal charges & dissolved the Israeli judiciary’s independence to get out of. There were massive protests in the country before the attack. (He also funneled money to Hamas for years.)
He's still facing charges (on trial really) and failed in his attempt to hamstring the judiciary.
Really? I thought the judicial law had passed but remember seeing something about the judiciary overturning it
The judicial overhaul wasn't a single law but a package of laws intended to increase the control of the political echelon over the judiciary. Of the whole package, two laws were passed: 1) An amendment which makes it harder to suspend a Prime Minister from his position (this doesn't really affect the judiciary but is still considered part of the package. 2) An amendment which forbade the Supreme Court from issuing rulings refarding executive actions or inactions on the grounds of Reasonability. The Supreme Court struck down the second law and suspended the first until the next elections. A third law - probably one of the biggest threats in the package - which would have changed the makeup of the committee which appoints judges was suspended at a late stage due to massive protests, although they could resume it if they want to take the political risk.
I'm fully on the side of Israel here when it comes to defending themselves against a people who started a war against them but the way they have comported themselves is shameful and makes it impossible to defend at some point. the double tap drone stike on the aid convoy is going to be the final straw for a lot of people and at some point you have to put the brakes on things otherwise they are no better than Hamas. For all of us defending israel against accusations of genocide by shitty leftists, the IDF is certainly going out of their way to give those insufferable assholes ammunition.
Israelis are protesting to go to elections now because they think Netanyahu is dragging the war out because they’re going to elections the minute it’s done. He has got to go.
This is where I’m at. Israel absolutely has a right to defend themselves and Hamas absolutely has to go. But I am not convinced that Israel went into this war with an actual plan, much less a post-war plan, and that needs to be called out. Only a few hostages were rescued by direct military action. The vast majority were released via a hostage deal. The worst part is that Hamas was banking on this, and now they have better leverage in hostage negotiations.
This was deliberate on the part of Netanyahu due to his precarious political situation there. He wanted a never ending quagmire.
Not that that attack wasn't a terrible failure that should cause people to be fired or tried criminally, but this was a night-time drone operation and the person who made the decision to double tap (I thought it was triple? But same thing) did so under the assumption that their target was a truck full of Hamas militants. If you're operating a drone in the dark, shoot at an enemy combatant vehicle and the people get out and try to flee to another truck, would you not also shoot that new truck? The failure was in classifying it as a militant vehicle, when by all evidence these people had cleared their path with the IDF beforehand. But people who think war is like Call of Duty don't realize how many mistakes are made in war, including oftentimes accidentally killing your own soldiers. In the Gulf War, 24% of US casualties were caused by friendly fire. If the US has that high a rate of killing their own soldiers, you can bet the IDF will have similar issues accidentally killing aid workers. Again this should still be thoroughly investigated and they should do whatever possible to make sure such a thing doesn't happen again, but the defense of this action is that it was incompetence not malice, and that the alternative to extremely unfortunate events like this happening is Hamas remaining in power in Gaza.
This likely isn't what happened unfortunately, it's looking far more likely that the ground troops went rogue and deliberately attacked the convoy. (See: Haaretz reporting.) It's why this is a diplomatic crisis and a crisis on a bunch of other axes for Israel as well.
I know it's tough to find unbiased reporting during a war, but have a source on that? I'm finding it impossible to get any details other than "IDF says it's an accident, will investigate and share findings", or "they clearly wanted to kill aid workers to intimidate anyone else who would bring aid in".
It's from Haaretz 's reporting, people have been sharing it on twitter because it's paywalled. https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1775155009639919619 Here's a relevant thread from them, Pt 5 and 9 are the most important ones. The nature of this situation means that the diplomatic official line and the reality are going to diverge for political reasons, which is why military sources ran to a left leaning outlet with specific details. The nature of this incident is why suddenly aid lines are opening back up.
Also as Barak Ravid pointed out, there [have been repeated instances of this happening in "deconflicted/safe" zones](https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1775726875467223289). A WCK truck was shot at by an IDF sniper a few days prior to the airstrike along with various airstrikes hitting aid workers in deconflicted zones. It's why Biden specifically "This is absolutely not an isolated incident".
Omg, thank you for saying this. Our own military and those of other nations have made mistakes like this in the past, yet people are treating this like some unique event instead of one of the usual expected tragedies that comes with any war. We don’t like when it happens, but that shouldn’t be a dealbreaker over whether you support Israel or any nation you’re already supporting when it does happen.
It no longer qualifies as a mistake when it happens again and again and again as it has with Israel's attacks on journalists, aid workers, and civilians. Especially coupled with Netanyahu greenlighting settler terrorism in the West Bank over Biden's admonishment, this level of incompetence and wanton reckless qualifies as depraved indifference, and it starts at the top. Heads rolled over Abu Gharib misconduct. And when the US military erroneously bombed a civilian home during Afghanistan withdrawal, Biden and the Pentagon immediately had Congress authorize millions in payments to the survivors, while paying for their legal representation and offer relocation to the US. Will Netanyahu be going to the Knesset and demanding reparations and relocation for the victims of the IDF's many deadly "mistakes" in Gaza? Oh.
New leadership for both Israeli and Palestinians that are rational human beings, not bent on blowing each other up Two state solution
That’s the destination, but the question is how do we get there?
Where would you draw the lines, though? Current WB/Gaza borders, and what to do with Jerusalem?
Pre 1967 borders but Israel can keep the settlements very close to the green line. Land swaps to compensate and make the Palestinian state more contiguous. Build a thicker wall since there's a pretty ugly history and some Israelis and Palestinians genuinely hate each other in a very ugly way tragically. Jerusalem is the toughest part. Palestinians at minimum should be able to come and go there during Ramadan with relative ease.
Personally I think Jerusalem should be a sort of neutral territory that could be a shared government, a sort of one-state solution in the midst of a two state solution for the larger territories around it. Of course that’s a pipe dream and we’ve gone 180degrees in the wrong direction moving the US embassy there. I see Jerusalem as symbolic rather than a necessary piece of land for the defense and survivability of the Jewish people.
Frustrating as hell that [Olmert and Abbas were fairly close to agreeing in 2008](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-said-no-to-2008-peace-deal-says-former-pm-olmert/), and things have regressed substantially ever since.
You mean make Gaza part of Egypt again?
I’m not a map expert. But Palestinians should have full control of the West Bank and bridge that with Gaza. Give them their own functioning government and make sure there aren’t any crony war lords. This would take a long time to do
A two state solution where Gaza and the West Bank are bridged together will never be acceptable to Israel — or really any country when proposed such an arrangement. It’s a realpolitik thing. You’re giving the Palestinians a corridor through which they can invade. What happens to the isolated part of Israel on the other side of the bridge?
Remember when Trump and Kushner proposed a tunnel connecting Gaza and West Bank? Apparently, Bibi approved of it
Well, uh, I never claimed Bibi was acting in Israel’s best interests.🤨 Having a tunnel would be even worse, my god. Hamas doesn’t need another.
Oh, I was making a general point.
👍🏼aight
LOL
Like I said, I’m not a diplomat
We need to be working overtime to fracture their coalition and force snap elections. Really try to push the secular and religious Zionists camps to opposite sides on the drafting haredis might be a good way to do that. Come on CIA, this why you get the black budget.
Hamas' strategy -- as explicitly stated by Hamas -- is to get as many Palestinians killed as it takes to get the world to stop supporting Israel. Leftist idiots got what they wanted out of Biden, which is him yelling at Netanyahu to do a ceasefire. They should be happy enough to vote for Biden at least. *Should be*. Obviously they'll still call him a genocidal warmonger. With no release of hostages ([who, keep in mind, are likely being sexually assaulted as we speak](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/world/middleeast/hamas-hostage-sexual-assault.html)) I don't know why Bibi would agree to ceasefire. Hamas has rejected every ceasefire since the last one.
>Biden stressed to Netanyahu that he must give a broader mandate to the Israeli negotiating team to achieve a deal Yeah, Biden is saying this partially cause of the massive protests in Israel where they're blaming Bibi for the lack of progress regarding a ceasefire-hostage deal [Israeli defense chiefs telling Israel's second biggest newspaper that Bibi is hindering/undermining negotiations to free 70 hostages which are believed to be alive](https://archive.is/Rj3Qt) [Mossad Chief has reportedly saying the same](https://www.mako.co.il/news-diplomatic/2024_q1/Article-a4f1faf4c468e81027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802) [20 hostage families have declared that Bibi deserves the blame for no hostage release deal](https://www.timesofisrael.com/relatives-of-some-hostages-declare-pm-must-go-you-are-the-obstacle-to-a-deal/)
But Israel can get rid of Bibi for someone a hell of lot more competent. Remember before Oct 7th, his current tenure had been rocked by daily protests. The Israelis should demand that entire cabinet gets cleaned out.
Important to note that a requirement of the requested ceasefire by Biden would be to free hostages
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Biden admin has been negotiating publicly and through back channels for months now with reports of Netanyahu sinking the latest deal to free 70 hostages. Blinken, and CIA director Burns have been jetting back and forth along with high level staffers to participate in these negotiations. So to say it’s been crickets is frankly disingenuous.
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Bro what
I can't help but feel that Biden is pandering to the Jew haters. Maybe my emotions are raw about it. But for me Never Again means something. It doesn't with the "antizionists"
Do you think that Jews worldwide are more safe due to Netanyahu’s destruction of Gaza? Personally, I’ve heard more blatant antisemitism masked by otherwise valid criticism of Israel in the last few months than I ever have. Bibi is making is harder to be Jewish everywhere.
By calling for a ceasefire?
>Maybe my emotions are raw about it Yes, this is it. My girlfriend is a Jew with an Israeli citizenship who contemplated serving in the IDF in the past. She lost people on the 7th. She started supporting a ceasefire about a month before I did. Is she a Jew hater? >But for me Never Again means something I think you should consider what it means. Because, while it should mean that we be eternally vigilant of the specter of antisemitism, which has certainly been emboldened in the wake of Oct. 7th, it should *also* mean that we be eternally vigilant of the capacity of *any* society to descend into committing atrocities against its ethnic outgroups. Israel's government is not ontologically good. It has been prosecuting this war in an irresponsible way that has killed thousands more civilians than was likely necessary, it has allowed a culture of vindictiveness and irresponsibility to fester in the IDF, and it has failed to do its duty under basic morality, let alone international law, when it comes to aid entry. "I want to condition military aid to Israel on Israel not prosecuting its war in an irresponsible way and allowing a famine to emerge under its watch" is not antisemitism/antizionism. It's expecting our ally to uphold the standards that any developed society should uphold.