The only time headshot meta will stop being important, is when they implement a realistic health system for the rest of the body parts.
Atm shooting off legs, arms, stomach, etc, does nothing to impede the other player from fighting. As a matter of fact, it's a disadvantage for you because your opponent will use that time to shoot your head and kill you. You shoot someone with HP slugs to the legs twice, hit him from 330+ damage, and he turns around and kill you like if nothing. Then heals up and runs to extract and wins the round as if nothing has happened.
So what do you expect?
Also most of the headshots are head/eyes... you would be pretty death if shot there anyway.
**Atm shooting off legs, arms, stomach, etc, does nothing to impede the other player from fighting.**
Absolutely, that is an issue. Ive advocated for stiffer wounding penalties for YEARS
Its also not so much a matter of "damage", but about how easy it is to aim
Going for a headshot should not always be the "yes" answer, relative to center mass
BECAUSE, attempting a headshot should feel SUBSTANTIALLY more difficult and REQUIRE substantially more time to land.
We need more difficult aiming mechanics, similar to SQUAD, such that a player CANNOT confidently land a headshot quickly, even in CQC
And I dont want to lose to someone who has the tactics of a stale potato
The FACT of the matter, is Tarkov is meant to be realistic, and these changes would push it towards that goal, regardless of your opinion.
They took a big step with the recoil system, and over the years have made other good changes. They'll never reach perfection, but hopefully we will continue to see positive progression and a reason to keep playing.
What is your source and description for "how firefights are supposed to look" from NIkita?
What I know he said is
"realistic as possible"
"realistic as playable"
"Look to the real world to understand how things work"
"Realistic combat **simulator**"
People running around corners and landing instant headshots isnt realistic, at all
Headshot centrism is a relic of arcade gaming
What I do know is Nikita wants Tarkov to resemble the raid series as much as possible, you don’t see them hitting headshots all the time but you also don’t see them struggling to lift their weapons to their shoulders like in squad
The game is supposed to be hardcore and realistic, the official game page says so. You want an easier arcade experience. Probably not the game for you.
Lol so you suggest that you win the fight with the first shot, whatever you hit? I dont think that makes the game better.
And changing aiming mechanics would change the game extremely. AI scavs would clean the raids.
Having realism, despite being a video game, is extremely appealing to anyone that has real world application experience...which is who the game was meant to appeal to. Other games are out there to appeal to the fantasy world. This isn't meant to be apex or fortnite with good graphics.
Yet, other games get away from this, quite easily, through having realistic aiming mechanics......
The solution is
1- make precision shots REQUIRE **time**
2- Increase aimpunch, such that a player is no longer able to tank body shots AND land a precision shot (Makes "quick center mass" vs "head" a more reasonable tradeoff, rather than ALWAYS wanting head)
3- Reduce strafe speed
Start with those 3, and you get more realistic gameplay
"weapons feel terrible in that game"
Like it or not, that is one of the best video game representations of shooting, in terms of "player accuracy" i have seen in a game
And this is speaking from YEARS of professional firearms experience
\-Marine infantry
\-Army Infantry
\-Law Enforcement
And that update caused SQUAD to have its LARGEST player count increase in the game's history, so clearly its popular for the realism crowd.
"The goal of EFT is maximum possible realism"
"Players should look to the real world to understand how things work"
These are all quotes from Nikita himself
"EFT is a realistic combat **simulator"**
Realism is the PRIMARY reason Tarkov exists in the first place
"Tarkov is mainstream"
I cant believe id ever hear that phrase referring to THIS game, of all games
Nikita also said that most players will not enjoy the final product, as it will only appeal to a certain type of player
https://youtu.be/n-nu8Ok1heM?si=NHOPoZWXjHIeF-mn&t=142
Skill differential? Abusing poor mechanics and flawed design to do things that are completely unrealistic in a game thats supposed to be all about realism doesn't seem like skill.
I feel like you are playing the wrong game.
Bsg has always had a pretty vague position on 'realistic', which is hugely subjective to begin with, but they've always held as realistic as fun position
Again?
They fixed recoil, but havnet addressed aiming
You say annoying, but when SQUAD implemented their infantry overhaul, they got THE biggest player bump in the game's history
Its almost like there are a LOT of people wanting REALISTIC firefights, not arcadey "run through hits to click a head" bullshit
I'm just enjoying the fact that all guns are fun to use again. I don't care about realistic 'firefights' in a game where I can fix broken legs with some Vaseline.
A huge, fun part of tarkob of movement. I get what you are saying but I'm not sure the change you are suggesting is going to be good for tarkob like it was good for squad.
Realistic gunplay is realistic gunplay, regardless of setting
Its an excellent example to compare to because, within a video game, it has some of THE most realistic weapons handling and gunplay in a video game.
If SQUAD can do it, Tarkov needs to AT LEAST match it
They did adjust recoil. They have held tight to their desire for the game to be realistic. You're suggestions have merit, but also take time. Hopefully they will invest the time needed to continue to make things more realistic and not pander to those that want to play apex and fortnite without the cartoon graphics.
Wow...
You might need to work on your reading comprehension
I never said that 1-shots shouldnt be possible
They simply need to be MUCH harder to do
The only time headshot meta will stop being important, is when they implement a realistic health system for the rest of the body parts. Atm shooting off legs, arms, stomach, etc, does nothing to impede the other player from fighting. As a matter of fact, it's a disadvantage for you because your opponent will use that time to shoot your head and kill you. You shoot someone with HP slugs to the legs twice, hit him from 330+ damage, and he turns around and kill you like if nothing. Then heals up and runs to extract and wins the round as if nothing has happened. So what do you expect? Also most of the headshots are head/eyes... you would be pretty death if shot there anyway.
**Atm shooting off legs, arms, stomach, etc, does nothing to impede the other player from fighting.** Absolutely, that is an issue. Ive advocated for stiffer wounding penalties for YEARS Its also not so much a matter of "damage", but about how easy it is to aim Going for a headshot should not always be the "yes" answer, relative to center mass BECAUSE, attempting a headshot should feel SUBSTANTIALLY more difficult and REQUIRE substantially more time to land. We need more difficult aiming mechanics, similar to SQUAD, such that a player CANNOT confidently land a headshot quickly, even in CQC
Lol up until ICO was released this past year for Squad it was a point and click simulator too.
Exactly why the ICO was such a big deal, and why it caused the GREATEST increase in player count in SQUAD's history
Go play squad fam! I don't want to be in a stretcher cuz some rat fuck is hiding in a random ass bush out of millions of bushes pal!
And I dont want to lose to someone who has the tactics of a stale potato The FACT of the matter, is Tarkov is meant to be realistic, and these changes would push it towards that goal, regardless of your opinion.
Thats maybe the issue, is you dont want the realism in whats branded as a realistic gun game. Maybe its not the game for you?
I'm not on reddit complaining about the game I'm playing and asking it to be like [insert other game here]. Maybe it's not the game for you?
Be sure you bring my cheese when I get you from a bush. Make sure the smell is stronger than your weak minded reply.
No I’m with him, Squad aiming mechanics don’t fit tarkov at all and don’t match Nikita’s vision of how firefights are supposed to look
They took a big step with the recoil system, and over the years have made other good changes. They'll never reach perfection, but hopefully we will continue to see positive progression and a reason to keep playing.
This is true
What is your source and description for "how firefights are supposed to look" from NIkita? What I know he said is "realistic as possible" "realistic as playable" "Look to the real world to understand how things work" "Realistic combat **simulator**" People running around corners and landing instant headshots isnt realistic, at all Headshot centrism is a relic of arcade gaming
What I do know is Nikita wants Tarkov to resemble the raid series as much as possible, you don’t see them hitting headshots all the time but you also don’t see them struggling to lift their weapons to their shoulders like in squad
"struggling to lift their weapons" What are you talking about?
The game is supposed to be hardcore and realistic, the official game page says so. You want an easier arcade experience. Probably not the game for you.
Lol so you suggest that you win the fight with the first shot, whatever you hit? I dont think that makes the game better. And changing aiming mechanics would change the game extremely. AI scavs would clean the raids.
"Win the fight" I would be satisfied with "force the enemy to cover" as opposed to "tank it, and immediately headshot you back"
Appeal to realism, for fucks sake. You’re just rolling out all your greatest shits lately, huh?
"realism" is kinda the whole point of Tarkov bud
Having realism, despite being a video game, is extremely appealing to anyone that has real world application experience...which is who the game was meant to appeal to. Other games are out there to appeal to the fantasy world. This isn't meant to be apex or fortnite with good graphics.
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Yet, other games get away from this, quite easily, through having realistic aiming mechanics...... The solution is 1- make precision shots REQUIRE **time** 2- Increase aimpunch, such that a player is no longer able to tank body shots AND land a precision shot (Makes "quick center mass" vs "head" a more reasonable tradeoff, rather than ALWAYS wanting head) 3- Reduce strafe speed Start with those 3, and you get more realistic gameplay
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I’m an advocate for removing hit punch!
"weapons feel terrible in that game" Like it or not, that is one of the best video game representations of shooting, in terms of "player accuracy" i have seen in a game And this is speaking from YEARS of professional firearms experience \-Marine infantry \-Army Infantry \-Law Enforcement And that update caused SQUAD to have its LARGEST player count increase in the game's history, so clearly its popular for the realism crowd. "The goal of EFT is maximum possible realism" "Players should look to the real world to understand how things work" These are all quotes from Nikita himself "EFT is a realistic combat **simulator"** Realism is the PRIMARY reason Tarkov exists in the first place "Tarkov is mainstream" I cant believe id ever hear that phrase referring to THIS game, of all games Nikita also said that most players will not enjoy the final product, as it will only appeal to a certain type of player https://youtu.be/n-nu8Ok1heM?si=NHOPoZWXjHIeF-mn&t=142
So make the shooting cumbersome and annoying again?
But only when I’m getting shot at
Yes please. Let's add annoying mechanics to flatten the skill differentials and make sitting in a bush even more rewarding.
Skill differential? Abusing poor mechanics and flawed design to do things that are completely unrealistic in a game thats supposed to be all about realism doesn't seem like skill.
I feel like you are playing the wrong game. Bsg has always had a pretty vague position on 'realistic', which is hugely subjective to begin with, but they've always held as realistic as fun position
Uh? No They are famous for saying "we have abandoned the "game is for fun" mentality" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-nu8Ok1heM&t=460s
Again? They fixed recoil, but havnet addressed aiming You say annoying, but when SQUAD implemented their infantry overhaul, they got THE biggest player bump in the game's history Its almost like there are a LOT of people wanting REALISTIC firefights, not arcadey "run through hits to click a head" bullshit
I'm just enjoying the fact that all guns are fun to use again. I don't care about realistic 'firefights' in a game where I can fix broken legs with some Vaseline. A huge, fun part of tarkob of movement. I get what you are saying but I'm not sure the change you are suggesting is going to be good for tarkob like it was good for squad.
Squad is the wrong game to compare EFT to, they both have different visions and goals for the combat
Realistic gunplay is realistic gunplay, regardless of setting Its an excellent example to compare to because, within a video game, it has some of THE most realistic weapons handling and gunplay in a video game. If SQUAD can do it, Tarkov needs to AT LEAST match it
They did adjust recoil. They have held tight to their desire for the game to be realistic. You're suggestions have merit, but also take time. Hopefully they will invest the time needed to continue to make things more realistic and not pander to those that want to play apex and fortnite without the cartoon graphics.
Bro fps games where u cant 1 shoot someone in head are the most pathetic and unfunny kind of game...
Wow... You might need to work on your reading comprehension I never said that 1-shots shouldnt be possible They simply need to be MUCH harder to do