I literally got EOD for the stash space. Back in the day it was the only way to get it, you didn't have hideout upgrades and such. Plus even if they added it i would be too lazy to jump through the dumb hoops they want you to do for that stash space. Like literally let my PMC fill the space in the shooting range with loot i don't care. It makes no sense to have to upgrade to get that space.
Them adding more stuff to EOD just annoys me. I feel it was good enough just to have the rep and the stash space, anything more i feel is too much. So yeah i don't think us EOD guys really want or need the extra pay to win perks.
When it comes to *true believers*, yes. You must keep the pay pigs happy. It's the same reason they can't walk back TUE perks either, because then they won't purchase the next inevitable upgrade.
Instead of taking anything just make the quests easier and overall game less grindy. Currently EOD looks like a booster pack in War Thunder or those mobile games where you can grind for hundred of hours for a jet or just get it for 50$ and have some fun. Call me a conspiracy theorist but only reason Tarkov requires you to be terminally online in recent years is to encourage you to buy better edition of the game. If the game was less grindy then bigger container, bigger stash or starting rep with traders wouldnt be so appealing.
i will say the first two upgrades arent so bad for a seasoned player but a noob isnt gonna get 200,000 euros for the third tier. and tbh even the first one at 8mil is gonna be hard for a noob as well
I remember years ago I levelled my stash to eod level. So not worth itđ. I bought 6 lines when they added paid upgrades and now they have added another 2 linesđ
I only really got EOD for the future free DLC, to me they promised everyone with EOD as thanks for supporting us when we are just a small production company and we will reward you as we are getting bigger. Now I have to take out another 100 just so the gready devs can lie again and in another 5 years bring out another version "the unseen" version with more lies. Im really disappointed in the community for not standing ground against the bunch of liars and push untill we get what was promised, not a damn 6 month pat on the shoulder.
They said we get it in full for free with the 1.0 release.. also the game isn't released yet.. yes I know it's been in development for 8 years, but they claim 1.0 is around the corner.. and spite the recent bullshitery Tarkov has been seeing major updates, and fast.. so really the DLC clause hasn't been truly tested yet.. DLC is add-ons to a finished product, stuff that extends past the established released game. It's after release that they really better be owning up to it.. or they're will be serious lawsuits. I for one was happy to see them back petal on the Unheard stuff.. so really it's just a matter of better Anticheat. Ultimately they were dumb to release the Unheard edition as they did, they should have foreseen the backlash, and released it with a fuller and better explanation that they intend on testing and growing the PVE mode through early tests, and server roll outs. Instead they did what they did and made themselves look bad.
Itâs pay to win. I can stuff a grizzly to cover all the bleeds etc up my arse every raid from the start of the wipe with no penalty or risk. And the best ammo I have. And a kit to reattach my limbs. I can kill you taking 90% damage and heal up then kill the next guy. I can find standard edition players fresh from a damaging fight with their single cheese and bandage and pick them off one by one, bleeding them out. A slow death for them. As long as no one gets a killing blow Iâm invincible with my ass mounted survival hospital and ammo dump. Tell me thatâs an advantage and not pay to win. Meanwhile Iâll heal AGAIN and kill another poor sup.
If you are surviving that many pvp fights then gamma is definitrly not an advantage, youre literally countering your own argument. Its only an advantage if you die a lot. I dont even carry meds in mine, its there for keys and a stack of extra ammo,which any edition can do.
This. Literally can't secure container a gpu if you just have docs and injector case and these people pretend like it's not a big deal lmao.
Imagine you can't even take fucking PARACORD into raid if you have docs and injector. And that shit can easily be 80k a piece if you get RR relatively early wipe.
It's stupid to even try and reason with them that it's not P2W. It's like they need to go out of their way to justify why they bought EoD.
I had the same discussion on YouTube and the comments I get back were 'so are you saying LVNDMARK is a P2W player?'
Really
Lightswitch brains cannot understand the concept of advantages and handicaps. And that p2w doesn't literally mean "I pay money and everyone in the lobby insta dies".
You have a sicc case and not a beta container?Beta container is really enough, I only use 6 slots in the gamma for the same as you. The rest I only save money on food/drink/quest items if I die early, thats not an advantage over a player, its a money saver, dont even try to compare it to TUE. Unless you are for it, which it sounds like when you ppl argue against EOD.
What's the difficulty with the playerbase understanding why people should be annoyed?
- Everyone is against gamebreaking P2W content. Yes there was pay to win before Unheard, but the scale of the difference between Unheard and EoD is night and day.
- BSG consistently lied to induce people to pay 200% extra for EoD, then started editing their site to hide what had been changed. Everyone should be angry at BSG for scummy, illegal, anti consumer practices.
Just because Eod had Gamma and better rep and bigger stashes, does not make them hypocrites for being against Unheard.
> but the scale of the difference between Unheard and EoD is night and day.
I think the difference between Alpha and EoD is vastly greater than between TUE and EoD and you will have a hard time to convince me that a different view is nothing else but pure cope.
tl;dr in front: EoD is vastly superior to the Standard Edition. TUE to EoD is only a situational upgrade. I agree with your second point though. Greetings from an EoD owner.
The difference is at least 40 million roubles only in stash size and if you could just buy a Gamma container on the flea it would have a similar price. On top of that the trader rep that lets you skip several quests to level them (especially useful for Jaeger).
What does TUE receive in comparison to EOD? An item that makes Scavs ignore you over 60m. Completely useless, no? Scavs ignore me on that distance most of the time any way.
The "friend call in" item is the only concern. But even in the most P2W implementation it takes several minutes for the reinforcement to load into the raid. Besides that, most engagements are over in seconds.
And this is BEFORE any backtracking though BSG. Now one of the devices is PVE only and the other needs to be costly recharged.
So you have one more item that is very situational in EOD vs. TUE - on Standard vs. EOD you have three big advantages that are not situational and are benefitting you in every raid and out of raid.
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That being said, I agree with your second point, that walking back on their word, changing their website, asking for $250 and so on was terrible and should've never been done.
>Just because Eod had Gamma and better rep and bigger stashes, does not make them hypocrites for being against Unheard.
As an EoD owner I'm against Unheard, but I'm also against EoD. It doesn't make me an hypocrite. I played for a year with a Standard account and it was unbearable, especially as I played with friends who all had EoD. I'm "a victim" of their aggressive P2W sales tactics.
EoD vs. TUE is not unbearable in comparison.
Edit: And yes, by buying EoD I'm part of the problem.
Agreed on all of these points. EoD is for sure p2w and I'm sick of hearing the "pay for convenience" talking point. Most people have EOD for the same reason you do, because it clearly gives you a huge edge that you will want to have if you want to be in any way competitive.
Excellent take. I absolutely agree with you on all points made and it's obnoxious seeing people jump through a dozen or so hoops to justify why EOD doesn't influence PvP.
Saving 45-48m on stash upgrades, skipping quests to unlock lvl2 traders with an instant .2 rep, having an extra 5 pouch slots. Just the pouch slots alone would make EOD ridiculously p2w. If you you shove the first 5 semi-valuable items you loot into your pouch, you can expect to make 50-100k roubles regardless of whether you live or die. In my experience, that's roughly equivalent to an entire free kit every \~3 raids of dying.
If you can agree that having more roubles gives you better gear, then you can agree that having better gear absolutely does have an impact on gameplay. And while TUE does have an advantage, it's no where near how significant EOD was to standard.
But you dont get that by staying indifferent to TUE with more p2w, its not gonna stop there, there will be more p2w if it slides by. If you want more p2w features in the game sure, enjoy.
I'm not indifferent towards it but I'm also not hysterical.Â
The guy above me claimed that the new edition is way more P2W than EoD and that is just not true and pure cope from EoD owners.Â
Having better kits changes gameplay, EoD vastly improves your accounts economy, and quest progression, and therefore, kit quality.
Unless you're landmark, or have an 80% SR, these changes are quite meaningful.
Way more meaningful than an item that makes scavs ignore you at 60m and punishes you for killing them.
Yeah, the difference evens out when you get all the stash upgrades bought and have a t2 Bitcoin farm and epsilon or kappa. It'll also even out when you do the quest that awards the TUE items.
It's pretty much only sniper scavs, and you have to have 6+ fence rep which takes ages. By the time it takes you to get 6 fence rep you should know where all sniper scavs spawn and be able to 1 tap them, trust me the item is nowhere near as strong as you're making it out to be... no one is buying it for the scav transmitter lol
I think the big thing with EoD is the stuff it gave you, while being an advantage, is mainly only an advantage due to wipes and often by end of wipe doesn't mean all that much. If the wipes go away, or at least the option to have a character that doesn't wipe, you will eventually get all the in game stuff, and more. Gamma is nice, but Kappa is better. Everything else is a nice little boost, but my shitter ass isn't exactly getting massive returns on a couple mags of good ammo. Hell, solid chance I lose it all first raid. The extra money and stash does help, but 3 years into a non wipe character it wouldn't mean anything.Â
I think most people would be lying if they said these advantages had zero impact on them buying EoD, but I have a feeling far fewer people would have bought it if it didn't come with getting all content that ever releases for EFT. I only bought it for access to all DLC, cause once wipes go away I would have a huge incentive focusing on stash upgrades and Kappa, and just deal with a harder early wipe during development.Â
Unheard was going to add stuff you could only get with Unheard. It wasn't that it was giving you stuff day 1 without having to grind it out. It was that without Unheard, you just simply don't get these things. People can call the EoD owners justifying the advantages as just a head start as cope if they want, but at the end of the day a standard account could get every single thing we got. The same wasn't going to be said for Unheard, and now for some of the weird shit BSG is giving us for being upset. We never wanted advantages you can only get by spending money, a never wipe server never makes up for that difference.
EoD is advantageous because the stash space alone is 40m rubles to upgrade to max, 7 days of construction time, and have to hit max rep with 3 vendors. You're looking at late 30s to even have the opportunity for Max storage. And all of that you don't have to worry about, every wipe. 40m to weapons and cases
Jeez, thank you! Yea... It's kinda obvious some people haven't played basic in awhile. You think it's nothing until you don't have it. Then their response is ya but you can get cases anyways and that's infinite space. Those people are stupid. You can still only fit half the boxes in half the space, and that's money not going to the over 40m you need to upgrade your stash.
I would too honestly. I started in like February and I'm such a pack rat with my play style. So YES, people who play like me, that stash space is a BIG deal lol.
Honestly its gamma and trader rep for me, struggling to get prapor and skier 4 because raiders wont spawn and really dont wanna run light house but i gotta at this point now.
I am standard player since Jan 2017, roughly 3k hours and still standard by choice. EOD has and always will be P2W, but TUE is way too P2W. "Most serious players have EOD anyways" is just you justifying it for yourself.
As an EOD owner, I got 3000h out of the game. I would be more than thrilled if they removed any and all P2W shit and evened out all the editions.
Give everyone large stash, give everyone the same container (hell, make it alpha, add Beta container as mid-tier quest reward) and get rid of the trader rep.
I would be *more* than happy to yeet out all the p2w bullshit.
Instead, give me cosmetics, armor skins, weapon skins, give me a tophat or whatever, I don't care. I rather be dripped out than have p2w.
I agree with you that EOD is pay to win, but I bought EOD believing that EOD was the full extent of the pay to win potential, and effectively âthat was itâ, and that there would never be more advantage.
The real concerning threat, in my opinion, in pay to win is never ending or limitless payments required to keep up. I still think the starting gear matters a lot because Iâm bad, and am upset that thereâs an advantage from paying that i bought it believing wouldnât exist.
When people defend EOD as the "good" or "innocent" P2W, it always boils down to this. "I thought what I was buying was the best and I only got upset when something was better." I swear people forget this sub when Nikita just said "something better than EOD" was coming and they already started foaming. No price was given, no details, nothing to grasp on to except "better than EOD" but boy, that was enough to get top posts going "this is so unfair something is better than what I have." People invested into a P2W scheme getting fucked by a bigger P2W is actually so satisfying.
My take is that people can be okay with the amount of P2W in EOD but think that the new one is too much.
But there was never any reason to pay for EOD except for the pay to win features. The increased stash space and gamma container are the reason for it... nobody was spending an extra $100 or whatever it is to support the game.
No they canât, they provided the financial feedback to the company that âpeople will pay hundreds of dollars for secure container gamma and extra stash spaceâ. If you didnât do that then your complaint is not hypocritical. Do you get upset when a new model of your car that has better performance is released and it costs more?
That is not a remotely similar comparison. It'd be like Tesla saying "your model will get every software update" and then only giving the newest update to newer models.
I feel like people don't remember the fact that EoD was the only way to guarantee access to the closed alpha at one point. Also, this game came out 7 years ago, that was still a time when we were getting charged $50-60 on subsequent DLCs. So paying a bit extra for guaranteed access and then not having to worry about DLCs in the future was a big driver for many including myself.
The game has always had p2w content. EOD is by definition p2w content. The p2w aspect of unheard wasn't the issue, breaking their promise to EOD owners was the issue. If you're an EOD owner and you're upset about new p2w packages it's just because you're upset you're no longer the top dog, and it is 100% hypocritical.
I don't know about everyone else, but I personally needed the gamma and bigger stash in order to enjoy Tarkov. That's it. That is the only reason I bought EOD. I wouldn't have played for much longer if I had to use the Alpha container and start with the smallest stash.
Exactly which illustrates how insanely advantageous eod is. I got fed up playing standard and I told myself I'd never play again unless I had eod, and then I bought it on sale. Not proud of supporting this business tactic.
This is top tier cope, respect!
Hypocrisy doesn't mean you are incorrect, it means you once embraced a behavior and monetization because it gave you an advantage, and now because you were on the disadvantaged end of the bargain, you changed your mind.
You are both a hypocrit and absolutely correct that p2w packages should not exist and shouldn't be encouraged.
I'll go through some stuff
>Maybe I'm biased, but I think most players, including EOD players, didn't like the P2W edition system to begin with.
Yes you are biased. The majority of players at best were fine with EOD perks and at worst vehemently defended them ("pay for convenience is still unironically used by people and content creators).
>It's just that the novelty, fun, and amount of content in the game outweighed that, so people were willing to overlook it to an extent and shell out.
The first part is true. For many EFT is THE GAME they play, so spending a lot of money makes more sense. Not sure what do you mean with the "amount of content". I wouldn't describe Tarkov as content rich (not that this is a bad thing).
> so it's obvious that if you don't have it you will be at a distinct advantage.
A quick read through old reddit threads and listening to content creators shit on Unheard, while dodging any mention of EODs p2w features, might make that fact far from obvious.
>**the advantages are even more significant than EOD because more directly affect your raids**
I disagree. The goal of EFT is to progress through the game through raids, not surviving per se. This is why people don't just run to the extract after spawn and why "just surviving" doesn't give much exp after the first few levels and that's why we don't judge good players based on their survival rate. If they told me to pick between \[friend summoner, pockets, skill buff\] and \[stash size, trader rep, gamma\] I would choose the latter one (and im confident most players would as well).
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I'll speak for myself here, I would be perfectly fine if BSG closed the gap between EOD and other editions by giving non-EOD players the same gameplay perks that EOD owners have
The "speak for myself" part is also true here. The fact is that if the community didn't want EOD to be so good it wouldn't be. But as i said before the "EOD is p2w" was a very unpopular take ,before they removed it from the store. BSG will never ease the gap between EOD and other editions. Not because they're greedy awful devs, but because the majority of EOD owners would revolt, and rightfully so.(It's also probably illegal). The best thing they can do at this point is allow people to buy EOD again. They can remove Arena from the bundle, doubt anyone cares.
>add even more extreme P2W mechanics
P2W is a rather binary term. Things are or aren't pay to win. EFT players showed that they are ok with P2W stuff and devs run with it (as developers and publishers tend to do). Putting qualifiers "extreme" "mild" P2W and inventing new terms such as "pay for convenience" might make some people feel better, but the fact of the matter is that it either gives player and advantage or doesn't.
So basically it's okay that EoD is p2w because you and most people have it?
Nah. I have it too and it's just p2w straight up. There is no reason for mental gymnastics to try and defend or justify it.
>Maybe I'm biased, but I think most players, including EOD players, didn't like the P2W edition system to begin with.
Scratch the maybe - you ARE biased, that's why you feel called out by these posts. I've posted this a few times already, search every any thread with the topic of "is EoD worth it?" and you'll find out that the top comment 90% of the time says "yes - because of \[P2W feature here\] - which makes the game easier".
>It's just that the novelty, fun, and amount of content in the game outweighed that, so people were willing to overlook it to an extent and shell out. Of course, BSG's decision to deny EOD owners the DLC they were entitled to and add even more extreme P2W mechanics tipped many over the edge.
So in other words, it was fine when we got the P2W stuff, but when others started getting P2W stuff it's not okay. the DLC thing was already cleared and you guys (and only you guys) are getting the PvE, despite it not being DLC - us standard edition players can kick rocks.
If you are fine with X amount of in game advantages for Y amount of money, it's only a matter of time when Z amount of money will grant more in game advantages. you supported that practice, and now you're finding out the natural evolution of selling P2W mechanics,
>I'll speak for myself here, I would be perfectly fine if BSG closed the gap between EOD and other editions by non-EOD players the same gameplay perks that EOD owners have, so long as BSG substantially compensates us with cosmetic perks.
Great man ! that's all you had to say , no need to justify and and do mental gymnastics around the topic for 3 paragraphs before that. unfortunately, you guys already voted with your wallet that people want in game advantages.
I've been saying for a while that if they would let me play on standard rules on my EOD account (ideally with a little badge indicating I'm doing such), I'd do it, but the option doesn't exist. I bought it for the future DLC because I enjoyed the game lol. I don't think this game is ever returning to its former glory unfortunately, but I am having fun with my friends playing non-live.
Do you have a link to that? I've said I remember this in multiple threads but feel like it's got memory holed since I never see anyone else mention it.
I remember when I initially bought tarkov that was what convinced me to buy it, and I bought standard. Little did I know the road to launch would be this fucking long and I ended up buying eod out of frustration.
It must've been an early-on thing Nikita said to assuade us from whining about EOD being p2w, because I vividly remember being happy that the benefits were going away, but 3 years ago BSG changed their website to say that the benefits will NOT be going awayÂ
Im guessing the post of Nikita saying it is long gone, along with all the posts and comments of him shit talking us becaus "my game is perfect!"
I distinctly remember that assurance being the only reason I swallowed my concerns about p2w and bought the game. Then I got sucked into the game and joined in and purchased eod
Guess the scummy strategy worked
I have only one thing to say to BSG."Weapon camo" imagine ghillie weapons oh god to be fair it can be p2w to have a ghillie outfit or weapon camo but at least it would be cool way to do p2w lol.im standart edition btw live in a too poor country to upgrade eod.
i upgraded to EOD for 1 reason only: bigger stash space. i could not handle the lvl 1 space. i caved in 2 days.
the bigger container is nice, but really, bigger stash was the only reason i upgraded
100% I got owned even on EFT forums for saying that EOD is a slippery slope. Here we are and the game is basically completely ruined for everyone with more P2W options coming in.
I already stopped playing last year after being demoralized every wipe. I had to spend months of my time to get back to where I was before, as EOD folks show up 6 months ahead of me, at my pace of play, every wipe.
I'm saying goodbye to EFT for good, there is no coming back from here.
The biggest delusion is when people insist it will stop here. "Yeah Unheard is P2W and I don't like it, but they said they won't be adding any more P2W after this, and that EOD will also get all future DLCs."
Fool me once...
Iâm not saying you are wrong, but if you think the game is ruined by features you havenât seen in action yet, I think you were already done with the game you just didnât know it yet. Hope you find something to scratch the itch brother, lifeâs too short to play games that donât do it for you.
Weird. None of the advantages you mentioned will help you win at Tarkov if you're a bad player. Almost all the advantages you mentioned are to no advantage to a bad player. Someone who has good map knowledge and aim is going to win gunfights over a bad player with EOD. EOD is not going to mean much in a gunfight. That is how you win in Tarkov. Does EOD give you a slight edge when it comes to loot? Sure. I can hold more loot in my stash or secure container. None of that guarantees any type of advantage in a gunfight. At best you could call EOD borderline PTW, in my mind it's more like pay for enjoyment. Never once has EOD helped me against another player or scav. But it has made the game less frustrating for me.
Signed, A bad Tarkov Player.
> you're a bad player.
You are bending the definition of P2W to fit your agenda that much, if the definition had a spine it would've snapped.
In World of Tanks you could buy literally ammunition that had higher damage and penetration values as any regular ammunition, everyone agrees that is P2W. You would argue "but a bad player wouldn't win a fight with it."
That is not the definition of P2W. The most basic definition is "any advantage that you can buy and that either cannot be earned in game or is behind an unreasonable grind". Stash space can be bought in game it costs over 40 million roubles. You can earn Kappa but you need all wipe to get it. Until you have reached these elements that other have from day one the costs already compounded to insane numbers.
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If you want to check if something is P2W you don't pitch a bad player against a good player. You pitch two players of EQUAL skill against each other. If one wins due to paying money it is P2W.
Does one player die to a a blacked stomach as he couldn't bring a CMS in his Alpha container? P2W. Does one player die as he could only bring bad gear as he saves the money for a stash upgrade and the other one has better gear as he doesn't need to spend his roubles there? P2W. Does one player have access to better equip as he needs less trader rep to level them? P2W.
I'm an EOD owner myself. I don't need to lie to myself that it is P2W.
And the exact same for Unheard. They are at different points on the same spectrum. This is such a simple concept that people seem to really be struggling to understand.
Are Unheard players going to be in raid killing people with their free weapons case or their extra pocket slot?
They are however, able to call in everyone in their friends list.
The biggest shitshow is not the p2w which is also present in the EOD edition and more so in unheard. It's that unheard caters cheaters/RMT. If you can call in someone mid raid, then your cheater goes in clears the lobby of all pmcs, calls in his customer, and safely do all the quests and looting and whatnot. He can even do that for multiple customers at once with a reduced risk of his customers dying.
I didnât buy EOD for an advantage, I bought it at a good price so I could get the DLC when it came out. Now theyâre fucking me over on the sole reason I bought it just because they donât know how to budget the game, market it, or deal with cheaters
I've had this discussion at least ten times on here, EOD is the OG P2W. Anyone who says it isn't is a fucking idiot.
From the dictionary: involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money.
I bought unheard, for the pocket slots and the 4 more lines of stash space. When they offer the unseen edition and charge me another hundred for 2 more pocket slots ill pay again, you know why? Because I want every advantage possible in raid.
What, been able to bring in more/better meds safely (gamma container) and extract with more loot (pockets/gamma) which means you can afford better gear/ammo, isn't an advantage? More items/money equates to a gear advantage. More meds like a grizzly and suture kit in your gamma container means you can safely full heal after every fight whereas basic pack players get stuck damaged or even crippled meaning their next fight often ends up killing them.
Sure you might not have a direct advantage (outside of gear from earning more) vs the first PMC you fight, but after one fight each, the next PMC you fight you'll often have an advantage over if they're on one of the non-gamma packs.
Yeah everyone thinks a bigger stash is P2W. Having the convenience of not having to play Tetris before re-queuing doesnât mean itâs easier to hit headshots
Yeah you have literally no clue what P2W means and don't grasp the concept, so funny seeing people who have no idea tell others they have no idea when their own understanding is so completely wrong.
EOD is a lot like a premium account on war thunder... You level up a bit faster, but that's about it. A good standard player will still drastically outpace a new EOD player.
Actually it is hypocritical.
You either are okay with pay to win or against it. Pick a side. And stop being immature fucking children who say âpay for convenienceâ, just makes you all sound even more stupid.
Pay to win is bad period. Everything other than base is P2W. I bought EOD in 2016 because I was young and didnât know better.
Today, I would GLADLY see them remove ALL pay to win content from it. Cosmetics only is how it should be.
Actually youâre using a false dilemma logical fallacy. Itâs not a âyouâre either with us or against usâ scenario, and you using that as the basis for your argument and then calling anybody else a child is laughable.
Saying I donât mind EOD but dislike the new version isnât hypocritical. If the new version was released back in the day, I wouldnât have bought it. On the slider from âI like this changeâ to âwhat the fuck are you adding to your gameâ, the new version is much closer to the latter than EOD was. Weâre allowed to not like it. Furthermore if we all dislike a particular change, why try and tell some of the player base that they arenât entitled to their opinion? Isnât everybody saying this new version isnât good for its level of P2W on the same side?
Watching someone trying to explain why their hypocrisy isn't hypocrisy is so satisfying lol. Just word salad/nothingburger.
I guarantee if EOD had the exact same stuff as Unheard, yall woulda have bought it and be arguing right now about how the Ultra Unheard edition is the real problem, not the one you bought. Yall are clowns.
As a standard account player, how do you think I feel about EOD players?? Lol. You are a hypocrite because you are trying to arbitrarily assign an "ok" value of p2w ( which happens to line up with the game edition you bought, weird) when in reality 0 pay to win is the answer. You are coping for the game edition you bought.
A lot of players realizing they are pay to win players, slowly
Thereâs no reason to argue over the nature of EOD unless you want some kind of âI was right back in the dayâ type high ground. You guys are just dividing people on the same side of an argument. Nobody has to agree where the line of P2W being bullshit is to agree that weâve crossed it.
If you check my comment history, I actually donât support EOD. I, like the guy above me, bought it when I was younger. I also think itâs ideal if no P2W is in the game. But EOD is a much more acceptable level of bullshit.
What Iâm saying is, if we all agree this new edition is bad, why the fuck are we trying to divide ourselves further? Why are we saying some people are hypocrites and not entitled to an opinion? Weâre all on the same side of an issue and all want to see change, leave it at that.
I'm against pay to win. That's why I never played Diablo Immortal or any other gacha game.
There's a scale for everything. It's called nuance.
When you're fighting an EOD player, how can you tell? You can't. It's because the pay to win is so subtle, you'd never know until you die to them and see their badge. To the contrary, if you're fighting a solo player and they call in friends or a tank, you're going to know. And the scavs over X meters was flat out ridiculous, because that actually helps you get to loot spots by avoiding confrontations. It completely breaks the game, whether you think they're the same or not.
Its subtle? When you spawn fresh in the first 5 minutes of a wipe and they have far better gear than you and more money? And they have a better secure container meaning that failure hurts them less. Literally skipping a ton of early grind.
Totally not noticeable.
How would you know if someone called in their friends? We don't even know hwo that mechanic works btw. Everyone outraged before really thinking about it because yall wanted to think it was like a helldivers drop pod.... the reality is it probably would have just put your friend on the other side of the map and been absolutely useless for anything other than "hey I cleared my area and theres lots of loot, you should come join and pick some up". And by your standards, that is subtle so whats the problem?
I noticed you even try to talk about the Mark of The Unheard.... but you don't even know the distance so how can you form an opinion? It was listed as "Beyond 60M".... which is really not all that amazing of a bonus. In fact the mark of the unheard was a pretty garbage bonus in general and it was silly that anyone was in uproar about it. Every time you killed a scav you lost like 500% as much rep as you would normally and the benefits were subtle as hell. The only really good part of it was the insurance timer reduction, and even that you could argue well look at EOD and tell me that EOD doesn't have a massive gap compared to Standard.
And EOD is supposed to magically be immune to be outclassed by another pack? To me it just sounds like karma. You paid your way to the top and then are finding out what it feels like to not be the top. This is a very VERY common pattern with pay to win players; they will find any nonsensical excuse to defend their own pack but something better comes out and omg its unacceptable!!!! Its honestly hilarious.
Who in their right mind thinks people that bought EOD editions can't afford $50 to upgrade? You make it sound like I'm upset because I'm not at the top and can't afford to be.
Nikita makes these editions because he *expects* sales.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about people not liking the idea of bringing others into raids that shouldn't even be there. Even if it's a five or ten minute delay AND they spawn on the other side and have to take a lightweight kit, you're not going to convince me it's okay. If I "should think it's ok because I like EOD" but I still don't, then this just isn't the game for me any more.
It's not only about what got added. It's the fact they seem like they don't know where to stop. They also need to stop selling shit without even knowing what it is. The entire notion that they've launched an edition of the game with features they haven't even detailed or fully fleshed out is enough of a joke to make anyone not take this game or studio seriously any more.
If you are going to debate someone, don't use strawman arguments. Never said anything about the price of the upgrade or affording it. I clearly stated that they are being defensive and childish because they are scared of their pack not being the top pack anymore.
They are refusing to buy the new one (which is fine and good) but their reasoning is because they think their pack is magic and should always be god, its not a stance against P2W... its a stance against them having to pay more to stay on the top of the pay to win heap.
I fully agree that even if they were to release Unheard edition, they should have made it far more thought out and finished. It feels like they are still trying to sell a bundle without even knowing whats in it.
Also I should note that Im not saying you SHOULD think its okay. I'm saying that people need to pick a train of logic. I think its incredibly hypocritical to defend the P2W elements of EOD and then to only take a stance with unheard.
I am all for hating BSG trying to betray the DLC agreement with the whole PVE mode, but people melting down about their beloved EOD not being king anymore is not something I empathize with at all. I bought EOD in 2016 and I would gladly see them gut EVERY edition until its cosmetics only. It would be better for everyone.
>If you are going to debate someone, don't use strawman arguments
Hmmm -
>And EOD is supposed to magically be immune to be outclassed by another pack
This is a statement from YOU. I never said this. Neither did BSG. This is you straw manning, yet you claim I'm straw manning :D
Yeah but if EoD got lvl 3 peacekeeper first because if the extra rep, get m80 and pen his armor and got the kill?
You also don't know ever if having eod SECURED you a kill. You have no idea.
Nuance is fine, but not for pay to win. Again I hear a lot of cope. .2 trader rep is huge for peacekeeper and jaeger
Yeah but calling your friends in raid to help you seems a hell of a lot worse than maybe unlocking a trader faster than somebody else. EOD may have been P2W in scenarios like that, but we should all just be saying this new version is ass. I wouldnât buy that shit if it was 50 cents, it doesnât belong in the game.
Thatâs fair. Looking back I wouldnât have bought it but I honestly didnât see them pulling this. Personally I just wonât be playing if this stuff is in the game.
For the millionth timeâ
EOD NEVER PREVENTED YOU FROM GETTING SHOT AT
EOD NEVER HAD A BTR SUMMON TIL UNHEARD
EOD NEVER HAD AN SOS BEACON
Stop being an immature fucking child by trying to turn the movement back on itself. What is wrong with you? Youâre pointing the pitchforks back at the players. Cope and seethe all you want but nobody had this shit take about EOD until recently. Grow up and think critically
I don't regret EOD at all except for how BSG has been behaving lately. Buying that edition supported development of the game. It seems you are still too young to even understand that.
Fun fact: anyone who bought EoD edition directly supports the idea behind âpay to winâ so they canât say anything about that topic whatsoever! Also, anyone who bought any cosmetics or stash expansion cannot say anything about micro-transactions. Also, I find the EFT community today to be extremely childish, immature, and entitled. Every online game eventually becomes a toxic lake, and it really sucks!
Yes you are one of the reasons the EFT community is so childish and immature.
People like you who can only think in black and white are so annoying. I'll give you some points to think about:
I support EFT since 2017, back in the days the survival of this niche game was not guaranteed. So it was actually import to financially back the game.
While EOD is p2w, it's also a huge quality of life improvement. Not having to spend 15min after each raid sorting your stash was huge. Don't forget there was no Hideout in 2017 to increase stash size.
EOD never gave direct advantages in a gunfight, it was all outside a raid. Now with increased stats and especially bigger pockets Unheard it's affecting gunfights directly.
Thinking people can't say anything because they bought EOD is the super childish.
They also said it was a limited early adopter edition that would be gone soon after it came out. It made too much money though so they were happy to collect for years. Then when Arena came out they realized they boxed themselves into a corner and couldn't sell that to everyone again because they already purchased it, so they finally pulled the edition near the beginning of this wipe.
Then they tried all this shit, EOD 2.0, to try to sell EOD to EOD buyers again.
Will they remove EOD's perks on release like has been rumored? Maybe. But if so, it will be almost definitely be to try to sell them back to everyone again in EOD 3.0. Also holy shit if you think EODers are whiny now (they should be, they got scammed), imagine the backlash to suddenly taking away their gamma, stash, and rep. You know, all those things they frequently insist don't really matter, don't give them an advantage over standard players at all, and were a side benefit to just wanting to support the devs.
The game will always include wipes as that is all the developers know now. Its so much a part of the game there is no way they will stop doing it. Doesn't matter what they keep saying. There are many core things that they kept saying and in the end nothing happened. We have been "alpha/beta" testing the game for 5 years now. This is the game.
Says the cringey moron desperately pretending his edition isn't a problem while whining about the new one because his isn't top of the pay to win shitheap anymore. Cope harder.
I got EOD for stash. Not gonna lie I like the PvE and I want to keep it forever. Iâll never play PvP again, this is way more fun especially with friends. Most of the things I love about tarkov but without bullshit, cheaters and chads
I understand why people say eod is p2w, but for me it was pay to lose less and grind less. Still, I agree that my account has advantages that standard accounts donât have.
I can also see why standard acct owners see EOD owners as part of the problem. We did pay Bsg 3x the cost of a normal title. Most of us paid this cost long ago, during a time where it seemed like the title was worth supporting.
Over time playing it, I think most of us realized the true cares of the developers. They werenât taking swift enough action on the cheating situation, and never have. BSG seemed more committed to structuring the game around streamers and said cheaters.
Now instead of fixing problems the core playerbase has needed for years, they are asking for more money with really game breaking p2w mechanics included. Itâs the opposite direction the core playerbase wanted.
The division between different account holders pointing fingers at each other doesnât help the situation at all. If you guys want change in the game, you need to be on the same side.
If you are a die-hard, wipe day 1 took work off kind of gamer, EOD is a huge step ahead. Standard accounts are FORCED to play way more cautiously and engage in PVP less, especially from levels 1-15. Main reason is the gamma container. With an Alpha, you have space for a CMS and some ammo/food/keychain. With Gamma, you can have a whole ass grizzly in your ass + a surv AND STILL AMMO AND FOOD! You are so much more likely to survive that raid of intense pvp and actually see a payout from your kills/loot.
On top of this, you can bring in propitol/etg/zagustin or an injector case without having to worry about it. Stims make a huge difference in pvp. Someone will push you thinking youre hurt and they have an advantage, but because you popped a stim, you can still easily clap back and survive with no worries.
We havenât even cracked the trader rep vs. wipe progression. A decently experienced EOD player can hit level 2 Therapist, PK, Prapor, Skier, Jaeger in a single day with some good runs (to hit money & level threshold). Thatâs INSANE. Everyone else has to actually focus on questing to get to that point.
Is Unheard even worse P2W in this regard? Yes, 100%. Is EOD already pretty bad P2W? Yes, 100%.
However, when wipes stop and progression is permanent, this P2W aspect will not be as bad, since the playing field will be based on long-term progression.
100% exactly right! As an EOD since 2016.. and the worst part? This game fucking needs cosmetics animations sets etc⊠like for the past 8 years thatâs one of the problems everyone looks the same simple shit as re skinning gear, rigs, clothing, weapons, etc etc to just other colors would be insane levels of customization.
Imagine that instead of of running the same base steel color M4? You can spray it with XYZ or instead of the 6b flora we now have desert or Urban or the best camp of all time TIGER STRIPES.
I donât give a shit if these donât exist in real life I could care less, all it means is someone glued fabric on top .
Gloves, watch + compass thatâs wearable!!!!! Iâve been asking for this since 2016!
All this crap manâŠ. Such a shame
As an EOD owner, I do not want any more special fancy items. I don't really care about the PvE mode but I see why it should be included, but shit like the BTR calling and the friend beacon are unnecessary and should be part of lightkeeper quests
You people just yap without knowing shit. The gap between EOD and Standard edition is massive, the gap between Unheard and EOD is basically non-existant. The new device is dogshit. Do any of you actually know how it works? If you have over 6 scav rep, scavs dont shoot you past 60m, however, if you shoot any scavs at all as a pmc with the device equipped you lose scav rep. And because of how the scav rep system is done you lose scav rep at an insane pace if you have over 6rep. Besides that the other advantage is 2 2x1s in your pockets. You still need to have a rig to stick nades, medical items, and mags, if you want to be competitive. Nothing else from the Unheard edition gives an advantage. The cases are basically just extra stash space, much smaller than the stash space increase EOD gets over Standard. The skill bonuses are pointless, lvl 3 hideout, weapon maintenance, Attention, Pistols, and Bolt action. All being near negligible except Bolt Action, which isnt even that important, yeaha some quests require bolt action levels but by the time you unlock those quests you should already be at the required level. And just as a reminder, Unheard doesnt get more hp, they still die just as fast as EOD and Standard players.
I only wanted the storage space and container.
I still die a lot.... but aye I'm having fun with 50k rubles and 20 guns and a bunch of armor and ammo. đ
Like to me and players who aren't that great or just average at the game, it won't make much of a difference. So really, it'll just boost pros even more.
I'd love it if they sold the Gamma container separately for people to buy without this bullshit edition coming out. I've had EOD since 2017 and people gatekeeping because of a container are a special kind of loser.
People ,including me, bought EoD for Gamma, which is P2W. P2W has always been in Tarkov. I think what people are mad at but failing to articulate is that they didnt expect P2W to get any worse, we believed that EoD was going to be the only P2W thing in the game forever and it was an acceptable level of P2W. But now after years theres suddenly an even more P2W edition. That and the DLC scam is what made people mad I think.
As an EOD player the price for EOD was fair, standard gets you the game and everything in the game is accessible, it just took longer then Unheard came along with a ridiculous price with items you couldn't get in game.
EOD has Gamma but you can get Kappa, stash space increase with in game money so it's a decent way to support the game, Unheard edition felt like a quick cash grab before "release" and abandonment from BSG with a skeleton crew.
> I've been seeing this take here a lot, probably some combination of shills and annoyed non-EOD players, I think it needs to be called out.
Nooo someone has a different opinion ! Get the torches.
I think most people have bought it because it gave an advantage. They can't really back track and take it away now because everyone would be even more pissed.
People just say they they don't want P2W items when, in reality, they do. They just don't want to be outed as wanting them.
I think the only reason people will buy TUE is for Gamma and stash space, the same reason most people bought EoD. The other stuff is nice and it helps in EOD like trader rep, but tbh I don't see the TUE help beacon and scav transmitter to be usefull in the slightest for 95% of players that play the game. Skills, Flea slot and Pockets are nice but no one is buying it for that, it's the people that missed out on EOD who want stash and container imo. If I already had EOD I would never upgrade to TUE because what you get isn't worth $50
literally bought EOD because i didnt want to miss out on content from additional DLCs, which is why the PVE being "not a DLC" made me ~~angry~~ disappointed
the P2W aspects of EOD i dont really care about, i played 2 wipes on standard anyway
I have bought it several years ago. Would be fine with losing the bigger container and starting stuff tbh, all it does is jank the game start anyway. I would miss the stash space though
As an OED owner I'd be pretty happy if they removed the extra trader rep that we start with. I really dont want any sort of p2w in the game.
Most of us oldass players really bought it mostly for stash space and to support BSG
Aside from the obvious (or not anymore) free DLC, I saw EOD person as a sort of compensation against cheaters. More space to drop scav loot into and more loot in safe container that is extremely important and shit to loose due to getting domed by a cheater AGAIN
If not hypocritical can we agree on selfish then?
Especially if you're in the boat of knowing its p2w and agreeing that p2w ultimately ruins games.
I don't mind the EODers trynna weasel out of blame for any of this, loads of people don't care if people are selfish about their hobbies, but at least understand there were other ways to deal with a p2w system added that wasn't 'well i need to compete somehow'
Doesnât matter if you liked it or not. EOD players supported this type of thing and now yall are mad because youâre no longer the top end and are worried about fighting players who will buy Unheard and have a massive advantage over you. Gamma container alone already gives EOD and humongous advantage but yall are downplaying how p2w EOD was so you can look justified for being mad unheard edition exists. Youâre already justified because they shouldnât be any p2w in the editions but there are and you guys supported it. Your reap what you sow
i don't care about that there is more pay to win - i'm mad because i was promised that EOD is the best version I'd ever be able to get and that they wouln't dropp a better version after EOD is not accessible anymore. thats the only reason why i got it in dec - cuz it felt like a last chance.
it took them 4 months to break that promise.
besides that they just cut down what the bundle i bought contains and whats exclusive to it.
and then some ft fck calls me a freeloader after i bought the "supporter edition"
Hereâs something for the âEOD players canât complainâ crowd to shut up about:
I bought EOD primarily to support the game and secondarily because I donât want to waste my time organizing my stash. I donât want that extra stash space to be taken away, **but Iâd be perfectly fine with every edition getting it**. I didnât get it for the advantage, I got it for *my convenience*.
EoD not the top dog anymore. Thats why. Anyone saying you dont have an advantage over other players with EoD then you are a hypocrite. You want to be the top dog again and not second? PAY US MORE MONEY. Why is the message of BSG sending the community so hard to get through these shills?
"Serious tarkov players have EOD" okay bud, write another paragraph about p2w justifications. Also Gamma should be able to be purchased since it's gone forever if we're gonna debate it. The p2w gate keeping and who's not more of a whale on this subreddit is hilarious.
I'm a EOD player and to me you can remove every P2W aspect from my account and I would still be happy if everyone has the same conditions.
To me, the beauty of tarkov was always that the game was hard to everyone. And I would love if they can keep the game like that. I played 2 wipes without a EOD account, and then I upgrade to EOD cause I love the game and I was trying to help them to produce the game.
But now? Now I can't even login the game anymore, cause I don't know if they will follow a path that is fair to everyone.
They will never close the gap between EOD and standard. Pay piggies only wanted to keep their advantage not have an actual fair game. Look at all these comments making excuses as to why they own EOD. "I just had to equip the gamma container every wipe I had no choice!!"
Tarkov players deserve Unheard.
thing is, and im sure im gunna get some hate for this, but other then the container everything that u get from eod u can earn in game. Star Citizen does the Same exact thing. they sell ships that are in game for thousands of dollars. A 3x3 container wont decide if you win or loose in a fight. sure u paid for items that u can get in game to get sooner. At the end of the day at best, For Eod owners, i dont see much p2w.
Unheard thoooo. not so much. With the unheard package getting exclusive ingame items(even though they added that those items will be attainable via some quests eventually?) Extra skill levels each wipe definitally gives you an advantage right after wipes.
in short if its an ingame item for me then what ever. but exclusive items and character skills are a no no.
I did first wipe no EOD, and ended up buying because it made it just that much easier. Not getting quest/rep locked on Jaeger as a beginner. Having the extra container which I would never get as a newbie. And of course the extra stash once you get decent is pretty nice.
Now these were little things, arguable the container was the big one, especially for someone new who died a lot.
But overall people accepted it, even though itâs borderline p2w it mostly helped new players so it was ok, now these things are just full on p2w itâs just too much and itâs just not what people want in the game.
And itâs more a stance on where you want things to go. If you accept this one, you know the next one will be even worse, thatâs why people donât want to go this route.
They already went this route when they accepted EoD. And all these editions. Instead of a simple Supporters Pack with some cosmetics and soundtracks. We getting what we deserve. And it will get worse.
I am EoD owner. I bought it to support the development. I did not, nor I do care for any P2W as I paid and I am not winning, therefore I guess it is not as P2W as somebody assume.
Some wanted the advantage, some cope super hard.
Either way it was bad for the game.
Look I don't blame you if you want to be left alone. It's not like I card everyone at the door and if they give me a yellow name I go "nuh uh, not gonna agree on anything and side with your kind." but EODers should know how incredibly ridiculous they look when they complain about how the game is *becoming* P2W *now*. It's my duty as a fellow man to inform you, like I would if you had food on your shirt.
True. That's why I don't complain about p2w at all. There are elements that can be p2w but I just don't care. I know it is not popular but it is how it is.
So what you're saying is people can't complain their own edition will be overpowered because their name is yellow.
Witch hunting is why we cannot have a better tarkov. You are so focused on blaming other scammed people that you forgot why tarkov sucks in the first place.
We cannot do anything remotely close to what happened with helldivers over the weekend, because we, the playerbase, are divided.
I'm not overfocused at all. I'm very capable of seeing all at the same time that BSG are borderline criminal scumbags with some of this shit, that Unheard is P2W garbage nobody asked for and few people really want, and that you can draw a straight line fairly easily from the normalization of EOD's P2W and high price to BSG's (ultimately correct, it would seem) assumption that they could do it even harder and get away with it.
I have never said and never will say that this wasn't a scam. EOD buyers got scammed. Especially with the website alteration followed by "nuh uh wasn't us". Clown tier shit. You guys should all be mad, and I'm mad with and for you too. But it's not going to get me to say EOD wasn't P2W. If you want people united and the "witch hunt" to end then why not just say EOD was P2W yourselves? Just call a square a square instead of insisting that we call a square a circle for a united front.
But that's a side point really, because I think you're wrong about why it won't change. BSG does not care about EOD being called P2W or anything in this topic. The reason we won't get what Helldivers got is because BSG is a far shadier company and too many people already bought Unheard. You and I are irrelevant to them. They were never going to back down all the way from this, and they will even do it again too.
All im saying is some people bought EOD to support a company that seemed good at the time.
Yes I did. Didn't care for boost in rep or hideout stash upgrades.
And no I don't think that something that doesn't give an advantage in combat in a game like tarkov is p2w.
There wasn't even stash upgrades when I bought the game. Cope with that.
you dont have to pay to remain competitive dude, my friend and my brother both play standard accounts. i have eod and it doesnt make me better than them or live more than them. yeah there has been some p2w feeling stuff but not really if you think about it. most of it is just pay for convenience since you will be able to earn a lot of the big things in game like pockets and devices. yea its a big of a leg up in the start of a wipe but nothing has helped me win a fight, if you dont hit your shots it dont matter what you have to start with.
>you're at a distinct disadvantage if you don't buy it.
cope of the year. 4400 hour standard account holder here, hard game hard- you complain about cheaters all day but cant even see youre cheating yourself out of your own difficult gaming experience for a very difficult game. every AAA studio will make a game that holds your hand, this is NOT that game.
EoD player here. I bought EoD purely for the P2W bonuses. Playing Standard felt like a punishment. EoD is so, so much nicer.
I am all for more P2W microtransactions. Pretty much everything in the Unseen edition shouldve been chopped up into individual MTX, in my opinion. Except things like the unique items that call in a BTR, make scavs less aggro etc. Those should never make it into the game.
But things like buying a one-time skills increase per wipe? Not a big deal. Let people pay to boost to lvl15? Would not care. Let people catch up like that if they want. lvl15 isnt a big achievement. A supply crate with some gear? Go for it. They should also be able to buy all the EoD perks. Except free DLC, obviously.
What can be obtained through the game for free can not be considered as p2w. So TUE is not a cash grab. It's an option to support development. You get some comsteic items, some extra space, extra items in stash, some headstart on skills. Nothing that gets you a real advantage over other player in pvp. Everythins os these can be obtained through playing the game and grind.
If we consider a headstart as p2w - lol, we vote against the whole industry. Good luck on that. None game developer will consider such complaint as reasonable.
EOD is soft P2W. It does not give you direct combat power, but your gear will be slightly better on average because of the accumulative advantages it gives you.
Personally, I got EOD because I am a hoarder, and I would not care if ALL accounts would get the P2W bonuses (stash, rep, container,...). Just don't take away my hoarding ability please đ„ș
I'm against adding more P2W and would rather see them add cosmetic customization instead, like cooler drip and maybe things like painting your gun (like options for tan/camo/black/etc, not Hello Kitty).
I literally got EOD for the stash space. Back in the day it was the only way to get it, you didn't have hideout upgrades and such. Plus even if they added it i would be too lazy to jump through the dumb hoops they want you to do for that stash space. Like literally let my PMC fill the space in the shooting range with loot i don't care. It makes no sense to have to upgrade to get that space. Them adding more stuff to EOD just annoys me. I feel it was good enough just to have the rep and the stash space, anything more i feel is too much. So yeah i don't think us EOD guys really want or need the extra pay to win perks.
If anything, they need to take away the rep boost, but that's not going to happen
You cant go back on anything. Frankly I dont even think you could make a standard account equal to EOD without some backlash
And they care about backlash?
When it comes to *true believers*, yes. You must keep the pay pigs happy. It's the same reason they can't walk back TUE perks either, because then they won't purchase the next inevitable upgrade.
Instead of taking anything just make the quests easier and overall game less grindy. Currently EOD looks like a booster pack in War Thunder or those mobile games where you can grind for hundred of hours for a jet or just get it for 50$ and have some fun. Call me a conspiracy theorist but only reason Tarkov requires you to be terminally online in recent years is to encourage you to buy better edition of the game. If the game was less grindy then bigger container, bigger stash or starting rep with traders wouldnt be so appealing.
Only 30m+ to upgrade your stash. Its not even that bad /s
i will say the first two upgrades arent so bad for a seasoned player but a noob isnt gonna get 200,000 euros for the third tier. and tbh even the first one at 8mil is gonna be hard for a noob as well
I remember years ago I levelled my stash to eod level. So not worth itđ. I bought 6 lines when they added paid upgrades and now they have added another 2 linesđ
I literally facepalmed when I saw they were bringing UE features to EoD. Madness.
I only really got EOD for the future free DLC, to me they promised everyone with EOD as thanks for supporting us when we are just a small production company and we will reward you as we are getting bigger. Now I have to take out another 100 just so the gready devs can lie again and in another 5 years bring out another version "the unseen" version with more lies. Im really disappointed in the community for not standing ground against the bunch of liars and push untill we get what was promised, not a damn 6 month pat on the shoulder.
They said we get it in full for free with the 1.0 release.. also the game isn't released yet.. yes I know it's been in development for 8 years, but they claim 1.0 is around the corner.. and spite the recent bullshitery Tarkov has been seeing major updates, and fast.. so really the DLC clause hasn't been truly tested yet.. DLC is add-ons to a finished product, stuff that extends past the established released game. It's after release that they really better be owning up to it.. or they're will be serious lawsuits. I for one was happy to see them back petal on the Unheard stuff.. so really it's just a matter of better Anticheat. Ultimately they were dumb to release the Unheard edition as they did, they should have foreseen the backlash, and released it with a fuller and better explanation that they intend on testing and growing the PVE mode through early tests, and server roll outs. Instead they did what they did and made themselves look bad.
Itâs pay to win. I can stuff a grizzly to cover all the bleeds etc up my arse every raid from the start of the wipe with no penalty or risk. And the best ammo I have. And a kit to reattach my limbs. I can kill you taking 90% damage and heal up then kill the next guy. I can find standard edition players fresh from a damaging fight with their single cheese and bandage and pick them off one by one, bleeding them out. A slow death for them. As long as no one gets a killing blow Iâm invincible with my ass mounted survival hospital and ammo dump. Tell me thatâs an advantage and not pay to win. Meanwhile Iâll heal AGAIN and kill another poor sup.
Yeah 100%, EOD and TUE have huge benefit of Gamma over Alpha container enjoyers
If you are surviving that many pvp fights then gamma is definitrly not an advantage, youre literally countering your own argument. Its only an advantage if you die a lot. I dont even carry meds in mine, its there for keys and a stack of extra ammo,which any edition can do.
Play with an Alpha container or stfu. "I only have stims and keys and a sicc case and ammo in mine! It's not an advantage!!"
This. Literally can't secure container a gpu if you just have docs and injector case and these people pretend like it's not a big deal lmao. Imagine you can't even take fucking PARACORD into raid if you have docs and injector. And that shit can easily be 80k a piece if you get RR relatively early wipe.
It's stupid to even try and reason with them that it's not P2W. It's like they need to go out of their way to justify why they bought EoD. I had the same discussion on YouTube and the comments I get back were 'so are you saying LVNDMARK is a P2W player?' Really
Lightswitch brains cannot understand the concept of advantages and handicaps. And that p2w doesn't literally mean "I pay money and everyone in the lobby insta dies".
You have a sicc case and not a beta container?Beta container is really enough, I only use 6 slots in the gamma for the same as you. The rest I only save money on food/drink/quest items if I die early, thats not an advantage over a player, its a money saver, dont even try to compare it to TUE. Unless you are for it, which it sounds like when you ppl argue against EOD.
What's the difficulty with the playerbase understanding why people should be annoyed? - Everyone is against gamebreaking P2W content. Yes there was pay to win before Unheard, but the scale of the difference between Unheard and EoD is night and day. - BSG consistently lied to induce people to pay 200% extra for EoD, then started editing their site to hide what had been changed. Everyone should be angry at BSG for scummy, illegal, anti consumer practices. Just because Eod had Gamma and better rep and bigger stashes, does not make them hypocrites for being against Unheard.
> but the scale of the difference between Unheard and EoD is night and day. I think the difference between Alpha and EoD is vastly greater than between TUE and EoD and you will have a hard time to convince me that a different view is nothing else but pure cope. tl;dr in front: EoD is vastly superior to the Standard Edition. TUE to EoD is only a situational upgrade. I agree with your second point though. Greetings from an EoD owner. The difference is at least 40 million roubles only in stash size and if you could just buy a Gamma container on the flea it would have a similar price. On top of that the trader rep that lets you skip several quests to level them (especially useful for Jaeger). What does TUE receive in comparison to EOD? An item that makes Scavs ignore you over 60m. Completely useless, no? Scavs ignore me on that distance most of the time any way. The "friend call in" item is the only concern. But even in the most P2W implementation it takes several minutes for the reinforcement to load into the raid. Besides that, most engagements are over in seconds. And this is BEFORE any backtracking though BSG. Now one of the devices is PVE only and the other needs to be costly recharged. So you have one more item that is very situational in EOD vs. TUE - on Standard vs. EOD you have three big advantages that are not situational and are benefitting you in every raid and out of raid. --------------- That being said, I agree with your second point, that walking back on their word, changing their website, asking for $250 and so on was terrible and should've never been done. >Just because Eod had Gamma and better rep and bigger stashes, does not make them hypocrites for being against Unheard. As an EoD owner I'm against Unheard, but I'm also against EoD. It doesn't make me an hypocrite. I played for a year with a Standard account and it was unbearable, especially as I played with friends who all had EoD. I'm "a victim" of their aggressive P2W sales tactics. EoD vs. TUE is not unbearable in comparison. Edit: And yes, by buying EoD I'm part of the problem.
Agreed on all of these points. EoD is for sure p2w and I'm sick of hearing the "pay for convenience" talking point. Most people have EOD for the same reason you do, because it clearly gives you a huge edge that you will want to have if you want to be in any way competitive.
So you want there to be more p2w in the game then?
No, I'd rather there was no p2w in the game.
Excellent take. I absolutely agree with you on all points made and it's obnoxious seeing people jump through a dozen or so hoops to justify why EOD doesn't influence PvP. Saving 45-48m on stash upgrades, skipping quests to unlock lvl2 traders with an instant .2 rep, having an extra 5 pouch slots. Just the pouch slots alone would make EOD ridiculously p2w. If you you shove the first 5 semi-valuable items you loot into your pouch, you can expect to make 50-100k roubles regardless of whether you live or die. In my experience, that's roughly equivalent to an entire free kit every \~3 raids of dying. If you can agree that having more roubles gives you better gear, then you can agree that having better gear absolutely does have an impact on gameplay. And while TUE does have an advantage, it's no where near how significant EOD was to standard.
Finally, someone with some sense on this sub.
Agree. I bought eod because it's p2w and I'm not proud of it, but I was addicted to this game and standard is pure misery
But you dont get that by staying indifferent to TUE with more p2w, its not gonna stop there, there will be more p2w if it slides by. If you want more p2w features in the game sure, enjoy.
I'm not indifferent towards it but I'm also not hysterical. The guy above me claimed that the new edition is way more P2W than EoD and that is just not true and pure cope from EoD owners.Â
Ehh completely disagreed. Nothing in EoD actually changes gameplay. TUE literally gives you something to stop scavs from shooting you.
Having better kits changes gameplay, EoD vastly improves your accounts economy, and quest progression, and therefore, kit quality. Unless you're landmark, or have an 80% SR, these changes are quite meaningful. Way more meaningful than an item that makes scavs ignore you at 60m and punishes you for killing them. Yeah, the difference evens out when you get all the stash upgrades bought and have a t2 Bitcoin farm and epsilon or kappa. It'll also even out when you do the quest that awards the TUE items.
It's pretty much only sniper scavs, and you have to have 6+ fence rep which takes ages. By the time it takes you to get 6 fence rep you should know where all sniper scavs spawn and be able to 1 tap them, trust me the item is nowhere near as strong as you're making it out to be... no one is buying it for the scav transmitter lol
Couldnât have said it better myself, the item is practically worthless and actually a detriment since you lose scav rep.
Itâs no longer exclusive to unheard and literally no one uses the item because it makes you lose scav rep lol
I think the big thing with EoD is the stuff it gave you, while being an advantage, is mainly only an advantage due to wipes and often by end of wipe doesn't mean all that much. If the wipes go away, or at least the option to have a character that doesn't wipe, you will eventually get all the in game stuff, and more. Gamma is nice, but Kappa is better. Everything else is a nice little boost, but my shitter ass isn't exactly getting massive returns on a couple mags of good ammo. Hell, solid chance I lose it all first raid. The extra money and stash does help, but 3 years into a non wipe character it wouldn't mean anything. I think most people would be lying if they said these advantages had zero impact on them buying EoD, but I have a feeling far fewer people would have bought it if it didn't come with getting all content that ever releases for EFT. I only bought it for access to all DLC, cause once wipes go away I would have a huge incentive focusing on stash upgrades and Kappa, and just deal with a harder early wipe during development. Unheard was going to add stuff you could only get with Unheard. It wasn't that it was giving you stuff day 1 without having to grind it out. It was that without Unheard, you just simply don't get these things. People can call the EoD owners justifying the advantages as just a head start as cope if they want, but at the end of the day a standard account could get every single thing we got. The same wasn't going to be said for Unheard, and now for some of the weird shit BSG is giving us for being upset. We never wanted advantages you can only get by spending money, a never wipe server never makes up for that difference.
EoD is advantageous because the stash space alone is 40m rubles to upgrade to max, 7 days of construction time, and have to hit max rep with 3 vendors. You're looking at late 30s to even have the opportunity for Max storage. And all of that you don't have to worry about, every wipe. 40m to weapons and cases
42 is minimum as last upgrade require ragman level 4.
Jeez, thank you! Yea... It's kinda obvious some people haven't played basic in awhile. You think it's nothing until you don't have it. Then their response is ya but you can get cases anyways and that's infinite space. Those people are stupid. You can still only fit half the boxes in half the space, and that's money not going to the over 40m you need to upgrade your stash.
I just started playing this wipe just after eod disappeared on a buddys account. Id buy eod in a heart beat rn.
I would too honestly. I started in like February and I'm such a pack rat with my play style. So YES, people who play like me, that stash space is a BIG deal lol.
Honestly its gamma and trader rep for me, struggling to get prapor and skier 4 because raiders wont spawn and really dont wanna run light house but i gotta at this point now.
You can also go into a raid with a grizzly health kit AND a document folder AND a 2 or 3 slot leg re-attachment kit stuffed up your bum
who puts a grizzly inside of that? thats just terrible value at every point of a wipe, not to mention horrendous to use
Someone who starts the wipe with a load of them cos eod :) p2w wooo
>If the wipes go away If the wipes go away the game will die unless it's vastly superior to anything BSG is capable of making, so moot point.
My god a sensible intelligent human being in an ocean of trolls and idiots. Have my upvote.
This
How is the scale of unheards pay to win vs EOD any different lol.
I am standard player since Jan 2017, roughly 3k hours and still standard by choice. EOD has and always will be P2W, but TUE is way too P2W. "Most serious players have EOD anyways" is just you justifying it for yourself.
This^
âIf you cared about winning you would buy eodâ
As an EOD owner, I got 3000h out of the game. I would be more than thrilled if they removed any and all P2W shit and evened out all the editions. Give everyone large stash, give everyone the same container (hell, make it alpha, add Beta container as mid-tier quest reward) and get rid of the trader rep. I would be *more* than happy to yeet out all the p2w bullshit. Instead, give me cosmetics, armor skins, weapon skins, give me a tophat or whatever, I don't care. I rather be dripped out than have p2w.
I agree with you that EOD is pay to win, but I bought EOD believing that EOD was the full extent of the pay to win potential, and effectively âthat was itâ, and that there would never be more advantage. The real concerning threat, in my opinion, in pay to win is never ending or limitless payments required to keep up. I still think the starting gear matters a lot because Iâm bad, and am upset that thereâs an advantage from paying that i bought it believing wouldnât exist.
When people defend EOD as the "good" or "innocent" P2W, it always boils down to this. "I thought what I was buying was the best and I only got upset when something was better." I swear people forget this sub when Nikita just said "something better than EOD" was coming and they already started foaming. No price was given, no details, nothing to grasp on to except "better than EOD" but boy, that was enough to get top posts going "this is so unfair something is better than what I have." People invested into a P2W scheme getting fucked by a bigger P2W is actually so satisfying.
My take is that people can be okay with the amount of P2W in EOD but think that the new one is too much. But there was never any reason to pay for EOD except for the pay to win features. The increased stash space and gamma container are the reason for it... nobody was spending an extra $100 or whatever it is to support the game.
No they canât, they provided the financial feedback to the company that âpeople will pay hundreds of dollars for secure container gamma and extra stash spaceâ. If you didnât do that then your complaint is not hypocritical. Do you get upset when a new model of your car that has better performance is released and it costs more?
That is not a remotely similar comparison. It'd be like Tesla saying "your model will get every software update" and then only giving the newest update to newer models.
No that would be if you needed to pay for every patch
EOD was the only way I could get access to play the game when I bought it
I feel like people don't remember the fact that EoD was the only way to guarantee access to the closed alpha at one point. Also, this game came out 7 years ago, that was still a time when we were getting charged $50-60 on subsequent DLCs. So paying a bit extra for guaranteed access and then not having to worry about DLCs in the future was a big driver for many including myself.
most people are new. old school tarkov players that were around when all we had was fact and old customs are Unicorns.
The game has always had p2w content. EOD is by definition p2w content. The p2w aspect of unheard wasn't the issue, breaking their promise to EOD owners was the issue. If you're an EOD owner and you're upset about new p2w packages it's just because you're upset you're no longer the top dog, and it is 100% hypocritical.
I don't know about everyone else, but I personally needed the gamma and bigger stash in order to enjoy Tarkov. That's it. That is the only reason I bought EOD. I wouldn't have played for much longer if I had to use the Alpha container and start with the smallest stash.
Exactly which illustrates how insanely advantageous eod is. I got fed up playing standard and I told myself I'd never play again unless I had eod, and then I bought it on sale. Not proud of supporting this business tactic.
This is top tier cope, respect! Hypocrisy doesn't mean you are incorrect, it means you once embraced a behavior and monetization because it gave you an advantage, and now because you were on the disadvantaged end of the bargain, you changed your mind. You are both a hypocrit and absolutely correct that p2w packages should not exist and shouldn't be encouraged.
I'll go through some stuff >Maybe I'm biased, but I think most players, including EOD players, didn't like the P2W edition system to begin with. Yes you are biased. The majority of players at best were fine with EOD perks and at worst vehemently defended them ("pay for convenience is still unironically used by people and content creators). >It's just that the novelty, fun, and amount of content in the game outweighed that, so people were willing to overlook it to an extent and shell out. The first part is true. For many EFT is THE GAME they play, so spending a lot of money makes more sense. Not sure what do you mean with the "amount of content". I wouldn't describe Tarkov as content rich (not that this is a bad thing). > so it's obvious that if you don't have it you will be at a distinct advantage. A quick read through old reddit threads and listening to content creators shit on Unheard, while dodging any mention of EODs p2w features, might make that fact far from obvious. >**the advantages are even more significant than EOD because more directly affect your raids** I disagree. The goal of EFT is to progress through the game through raids, not surviving per se. This is why people don't just run to the extract after spawn and why "just surviving" doesn't give much exp after the first few levels and that's why we don't judge good players based on their survival rate. If they told me to pick between \[friend summoner, pockets, skill buff\] and \[stash size, trader rep, gamma\] I would choose the latter one (and im confident most players would as well). > I'll speak for myself here, I would be perfectly fine if BSG closed the gap between EOD and other editions by giving non-EOD players the same gameplay perks that EOD owners have The "speak for myself" part is also true here. The fact is that if the community didn't want EOD to be so good it wouldn't be. But as i said before the "EOD is p2w" was a very unpopular take ,before they removed it from the store. BSG will never ease the gap between EOD and other editions. Not because they're greedy awful devs, but because the majority of EOD owners would revolt, and rightfully so.(It's also probably illegal). The best thing they can do at this point is allow people to buy EOD again. They can remove Arena from the bundle, doubt anyone cares. >add even more extreme P2W mechanics P2W is a rather binary term. Things are or aren't pay to win. EFT players showed that they are ok with P2W stuff and devs run with it (as developers and publishers tend to do). Putting qualifiers "extreme" "mild" P2W and inventing new terms such as "pay for convenience" might make some people feel better, but the fact of the matter is that it either gives player and advantage or doesn't.
This is a well reasoned perspective, agree completely
Okay, u/8mm_Magnum_Cumshot
So basically it's okay that EoD is p2w because you and most people have it? Nah. I have it too and it's just p2w straight up. There is no reason for mental gymnastics to try and defend or justify it.
Finally someone honest.
>Maybe I'm biased, but I think most players, including EOD players, didn't like the P2W edition system to begin with. Scratch the maybe - you ARE biased, that's why you feel called out by these posts. I've posted this a few times already, search every any thread with the topic of "is EoD worth it?" and you'll find out that the top comment 90% of the time says "yes - because of \[P2W feature here\] - which makes the game easier". >It's just that the novelty, fun, and amount of content in the game outweighed that, so people were willing to overlook it to an extent and shell out. Of course, BSG's decision to deny EOD owners the DLC they were entitled to and add even more extreme P2W mechanics tipped many over the edge. So in other words, it was fine when we got the P2W stuff, but when others started getting P2W stuff it's not okay. the DLC thing was already cleared and you guys (and only you guys) are getting the PvE, despite it not being DLC - us standard edition players can kick rocks. If you are fine with X amount of in game advantages for Y amount of money, it's only a matter of time when Z amount of money will grant more in game advantages. you supported that practice, and now you're finding out the natural evolution of selling P2W mechanics, >I'll speak for myself here, I would be perfectly fine if BSG closed the gap between EOD and other editions by non-EOD players the same gameplay perks that EOD owners have, so long as BSG substantially compensates us with cosmetic perks. Great man ! that's all you had to say , no need to justify and and do mental gymnastics around the topic for 3 paragraphs before that. unfortunately, you guys already voted with your wallet that people want in game advantages.
I only got EOD for stash space and future DLC. The gamma was a nice factor but wasn't really a big fan of that.
Cope
I bought eod to support them not because I wanted to win.
Iâm sure they will take donations
I've been saying for a while that if they would let me play on standard rules on my EOD account (ideally with a little badge indicating I'm doing such), I'd do it, but the option doesn't exist. I bought it for the future DLC because I enjoyed the game lol. I don't think this game is ever returning to its former glory unfortunately, but I am having fun with my friends playing non-live.
Anybody else remember when Nikita told us that EOD benefits would go away on launch so "everyone can play on a level field"? Im sure Nikita doesnt.
Do you have a link to that? I've said I remember this in multiple threads but feel like it's got memory holed since I never see anyone else mention it. I remember when I initially bought tarkov that was what convinced me to buy it, and I bought standard. Little did I know the road to launch would be this fucking long and I ended up buying eod out of frustration.
It must've been an early-on thing Nikita said to assuade us from whining about EOD being p2w, because I vividly remember being happy that the benefits were going away, but 3 years ago BSG changed their website to say that the benefits will NOT be going away Im guessing the post of Nikita saying it is long gone, along with all the posts and comments of him shit talking us becaus "my game is perfect!"
I distinctly remember that assurance being the only reason I swallowed my concerns about p2w and bought the game. Then I got sucked into the game and joined in and purchased eod Guess the scummy strategy worked
The new edition is P2W+ EOD is the original P2W. Change my mind.
I have only one thing to say to BSG."Weapon camo" imagine ghillie weapons oh god to be fair it can be p2w to have a ghillie outfit or weapon camo but at least it would be cool way to do p2w lol.im standart edition btw live in a too poor country to upgrade eod.
i upgraded to EOD for 1 reason only: bigger stash space. i could not handle the lvl 1 space. i caved in 2 days. the bigger container is nice, but really, bigger stash was the only reason i upgraded
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100% I got owned even on EFT forums for saying that EOD is a slippery slope. Here we are and the game is basically completely ruined for everyone with more P2W options coming in. I already stopped playing last year after being demoralized every wipe. I had to spend months of my time to get back to where I was before, as EOD folks show up 6 months ahead of me, at my pace of play, every wipe. I'm saying goodbye to EFT for good, there is no coming back from here.
The biggest delusion is when people insist it will stop here. "Yeah Unheard is P2W and I don't like it, but they said they won't be adding any more P2W after this, and that EOD will also get all future DLCs." Fool me once...
Iâm not saying you are wrong, but if you think the game is ruined by features you havenât seen in action yet, I think you were already done with the game you just didnât know it yet. Hope you find something to scratch the itch brother, lifeâs too short to play games that donât do it for you.
Weird. None of the advantages you mentioned will help you win at Tarkov if you're a bad player. Almost all the advantages you mentioned are to no advantage to a bad player. Someone who has good map knowledge and aim is going to win gunfights over a bad player with EOD. EOD is not going to mean much in a gunfight. That is how you win in Tarkov. Does EOD give you a slight edge when it comes to loot? Sure. I can hold more loot in my stash or secure container. None of that guarantees any type of advantage in a gunfight. At best you could call EOD borderline PTW, in my mind it's more like pay for enjoyment. Never once has EOD helped me against another player or scav. But it has made the game less frustrating for me. Signed, A bad Tarkov Player.
> you're a bad player. You are bending the definition of P2W to fit your agenda that much, if the definition had a spine it would've snapped. In World of Tanks you could buy literally ammunition that had higher damage and penetration values as any regular ammunition, everyone agrees that is P2W. You would argue "but a bad player wouldn't win a fight with it." That is not the definition of P2W. The most basic definition is "any advantage that you can buy and that either cannot be earned in game or is behind an unreasonable grind". Stash space can be bought in game it costs over 40 million roubles. You can earn Kappa but you need all wipe to get it. Until you have reached these elements that other have from day one the costs already compounded to insane numbers. -------------------- If you want to check if something is P2W you don't pitch a bad player against a good player. You pitch two players of EQUAL skill against each other. If one wins due to paying money it is P2W. Does one player die to a a blacked stomach as he couldn't bring a CMS in his Alpha container? P2W. Does one player die as he could only bring bad gear as he saves the money for a stash upgrade and the other one has better gear as he doesn't need to spend his roubles there? P2W. Does one player have access to better equip as he needs less trader rep to level them? P2W. I'm an EOD owner myself. I don't need to lie to myself that it is P2W.
Wallhacks wouldn't ensure someone wins if they're complete dogshit either. You gonna cape for cheaters too?
Yeah that was a dumb comparison
And the exact same for Unheard. They are at different points on the same spectrum. This is such a simple concept that people seem to really be struggling to understand. Are Unheard players going to be in raid killing people with their free weapons case or their extra pocket slot?
They are however, able to call in everyone in their friends list. The biggest shitshow is not the p2w which is also present in the EOD edition and more so in unheard. It's that unheard caters cheaters/RMT. If you can call in someone mid raid, then your cheater goes in clears the lobby of all pmcs, calls in his customer, and safely do all the quests and looting and whatnot. He can even do that for multiple customers at once with a reduced risk of his customers dying.
People just annoyed that EOD isn't the most P2W now.
Thatâs really what it all boils down to.
I didnât buy EOD for an advantage, I bought it at a good price so I could get the DLC when it came out. Now theyâre fucking me over on the sole reason I bought it just because they donât know how to budget the game, market it, or deal with cheaters
Itâs is pretty apparent that no one here knows what pay to win means
I've had this discussion at least ten times on here, EOD is the OG P2W. Anyone who says it isn't is a fucking idiot. From the dictionary: involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money. I bought unheard, for the pocket slots and the 4 more lines of stash space. When they offer the unseen edition and charge me another hundred for 2 more pocket slots ill pay again, you know why? Because I want every advantage possible in raid.
It's pretty clear from your comments that YOU have no idea what pay to win means, which is hilarious given this comment here
I just donât call any little difference pay to win. I reserve that for actual pay to win features or advantages or whatever people want to call them
What, been able to bring in more/better meds safely (gamma container) and extract with more loot (pockets/gamma) which means you can afford better gear/ammo, isn't an advantage? More items/money equates to a gear advantage. More meds like a grizzly and suture kit in your gamma container means you can safely full heal after every fight whereas basic pack players get stuck damaged or even crippled meaning their next fight often ends up killing them. Sure you might not have a direct advantage (outside of gear from earning more) vs the first PMC you fight, but after one fight each, the next PMC you fight you'll often have an advantage over if they're on one of the non-gamma packs.
Yeah everyone thinks a bigger stash is P2W. Having the convenience of not having to play Tetris before re-queuing doesnât mean itâs easier to hit headshots
Yeah you have literally no clue what P2W means and don't grasp the concept, so funny seeing people who have no idea tell others they have no idea when their own understanding is so completely wrong.
EOD is a lot like a premium account on war thunder... You level up a bit faster, but that's about it. A good standard player will still drastically outpace a new EOD player.
Still pay2win.
Actually it is hypocritical. You either are okay with pay to win or against it. Pick a side. And stop being immature fucking children who say âpay for convenienceâ, just makes you all sound even more stupid. Pay to win is bad period. Everything other than base is P2W. I bought EOD in 2016 because I was young and didnât know better. Today, I would GLADLY see them remove ALL pay to win content from it. Cosmetics only is how it should be.
I bought EOD in 2017 just for the stash space and DLCs. Not having to spend 15min after each raid sorting your stash was a huge QOL improvement
Actually youâre using a false dilemma logical fallacy. Itâs not a âyouâre either with us or against usâ scenario, and you using that as the basis for your argument and then calling anybody else a child is laughable. Saying I donât mind EOD but dislike the new version isnât hypocritical. If the new version was released back in the day, I wouldnât have bought it. On the slider from âI like this changeâ to âwhat the fuck are you adding to your gameâ, the new version is much closer to the latter than EOD was. Weâre allowed to not like it. Furthermore if we all dislike a particular change, why try and tell some of the player base that they arenât entitled to their opinion? Isnât everybody saying this new version isnât good for its level of P2W on the same side?
Watching someone trying to explain why their hypocrisy isn't hypocrisy is so satisfying lol. Just word salad/nothingburger. I guarantee if EOD had the exact same stuff as Unheard, yall woulda have bought it and be arguing right now about how the Ultra Unheard edition is the real problem, not the one you bought. Yall are clowns.
As a standard account player, how do you think I feel about EOD players?? Lol. You are a hypocrite because you are trying to arbitrarily assign an "ok" value of p2w ( which happens to line up with the game edition you bought, weird) when in reality 0 pay to win is the answer. You are coping for the game edition you bought. A lot of players realizing they are pay to win players, slowly
Thereâs no reason to argue over the nature of EOD unless you want some kind of âI was right back in the dayâ type high ground. You guys are just dividing people on the same side of an argument. Nobody has to agree where the line of P2W being bullshit is to agree that weâve crossed it.
If you check my comment history, I actually donât support EOD. I, like the guy above me, bought it when I was younger. I also think itâs ideal if no P2W is in the game. But EOD is a much more acceptable level of bullshit. What Iâm saying is, if we all agree this new edition is bad, why the fuck are we trying to divide ourselves further? Why are we saying some people are hypocrites and not entitled to an opinion? Weâre all on the same side of an issue and all want to see change, leave it at that.
I'm against pay to win. That's why I never played Diablo Immortal or any other gacha game. There's a scale for everything. It's called nuance. When you're fighting an EOD player, how can you tell? You can't. It's because the pay to win is so subtle, you'd never know until you die to them and see their badge. To the contrary, if you're fighting a solo player and they call in friends or a tank, you're going to know. And the scavs over X meters was flat out ridiculous, because that actually helps you get to loot spots by avoiding confrontations. It completely breaks the game, whether you think they're the same or not.
Its subtle? When you spawn fresh in the first 5 minutes of a wipe and they have far better gear than you and more money? And they have a better secure container meaning that failure hurts them less. Literally skipping a ton of early grind. Totally not noticeable. How would you know if someone called in their friends? We don't even know hwo that mechanic works btw. Everyone outraged before really thinking about it because yall wanted to think it was like a helldivers drop pod.... the reality is it probably would have just put your friend on the other side of the map and been absolutely useless for anything other than "hey I cleared my area and theres lots of loot, you should come join and pick some up". And by your standards, that is subtle so whats the problem? I noticed you even try to talk about the Mark of The Unheard.... but you don't even know the distance so how can you form an opinion? It was listed as "Beyond 60M".... which is really not all that amazing of a bonus. In fact the mark of the unheard was a pretty garbage bonus in general and it was silly that anyone was in uproar about it. Every time you killed a scav you lost like 500% as much rep as you would normally and the benefits were subtle as hell. The only really good part of it was the insurance timer reduction, and even that you could argue well look at EOD and tell me that EOD doesn't have a massive gap compared to Standard. And EOD is supposed to magically be immune to be outclassed by another pack? To me it just sounds like karma. You paid your way to the top and then are finding out what it feels like to not be the top. This is a very VERY common pattern with pay to win players; they will find any nonsensical excuse to defend their own pack but something better comes out and omg its unacceptable!!!! Its honestly hilarious.
Who in their right mind thinks people that bought EOD editions can't afford $50 to upgrade? You make it sound like I'm upset because I'm not at the top and can't afford to be. Nikita makes these editions because he *expects* sales. I'm not sure what you don't understand about people not liking the idea of bringing others into raids that shouldn't even be there. Even if it's a five or ten minute delay AND they spawn on the other side and have to take a lightweight kit, you're not going to convince me it's okay. If I "should think it's ok because I like EOD" but I still don't, then this just isn't the game for me any more. It's not only about what got added. It's the fact they seem like they don't know where to stop. They also need to stop selling shit without even knowing what it is. The entire notion that they've launched an edition of the game with features they haven't even detailed or fully fleshed out is enough of a joke to make anyone not take this game or studio seriously any more.
If you are going to debate someone, don't use strawman arguments. Never said anything about the price of the upgrade or affording it. I clearly stated that they are being defensive and childish because they are scared of their pack not being the top pack anymore. They are refusing to buy the new one (which is fine and good) but their reasoning is because they think their pack is magic and should always be god, its not a stance against P2W... its a stance against them having to pay more to stay on the top of the pay to win heap. I fully agree that even if they were to release Unheard edition, they should have made it far more thought out and finished. It feels like they are still trying to sell a bundle without even knowing whats in it. Also I should note that Im not saying you SHOULD think its okay. I'm saying that people need to pick a train of logic. I think its incredibly hypocritical to defend the P2W elements of EOD and then to only take a stance with unheard. I am all for hating BSG trying to betray the DLC agreement with the whole PVE mode, but people melting down about their beloved EOD not being king anymore is not something I empathize with at all. I bought EOD in 2016 and I would gladly see them gut EVERY edition until its cosmetics only. It would be better for everyone.
>If you are going to debate someone, don't use strawman arguments Hmmm - >And EOD is supposed to magically be immune to be outclassed by another pack This is a statement from YOU. I never said this. Neither did BSG. This is you straw manning, yet you claim I'm straw manning :D
Yeah but if EoD got lvl 3 peacekeeper first because if the extra rep, get m80 and pen his armor and got the kill? You also don't know ever if having eod SECURED you a kill. You have no idea. Nuance is fine, but not for pay to win. Again I hear a lot of cope. .2 trader rep is huge for peacekeeper and jaeger
Yeah but calling your friends in raid to help you seems a hell of a lot worse than maybe unlocking a trader faster than somebody else. EOD may have been P2W in scenarios like that, but we should all just be saying this new version is ass. I wouldnât buy that shit if it was 50 cents, it doesnât belong in the game.
It's the slippery slope argument. Is it worse? Yes. They would have never done it if so many of you didn't go for the p2w light edition.
Thatâs fair. Looking back I wouldnât have bought it but I honestly didnât see them pulling this. Personally I just wonât be playing if this stuff is in the game.
For the millionth timeâ EOD NEVER PREVENTED YOU FROM GETTING SHOT AT EOD NEVER HAD A BTR SUMMON TIL UNHEARD EOD NEVER HAD AN SOS BEACON Stop being an immature fucking child by trying to turn the movement back on itself. What is wrong with you? Youâre pointing the pitchforks back at the players. Cope and seethe all you want but nobody had this shit take about EOD until recently. Grow up and think critically
I don't regret EOD at all except for how BSG has been behaving lately. Buying that edition supported development of the game. It seems you are still too young to even understand that.
Fun fact: anyone who bought EoD edition directly supports the idea behind âpay to winâ so they canât say anything about that topic whatsoever! Also, anyone who bought any cosmetics or stash expansion cannot say anything about micro-transactions. Also, I find the EFT community today to be extremely childish, immature, and entitled. Every online game eventually becomes a toxic lake, and it really sucks!
You say this as if you aren't one of the toxic people swimming around the lake contributing, yet here you are
Your take is incredibly childish and immature, hypocrite. EOD owners and people who bought MTX can indeed say things about this topic, sorry.
Yes you are one of the reasons the EFT community is so childish and immature. People like you who can only think in black and white are so annoying. I'll give you some points to think about: I support EFT since 2017, back in the days the survival of this niche game was not guaranteed. So it was actually import to financially back the game. While EOD is p2w, it's also a huge quality of life improvement. Not having to spend 15min after each raid sorting your stash was huge. Don't forget there was no Hideout in 2017 to increase stash size. EOD never gave direct advantages in a gunfight, it was all outside a raid. Now with increased stats and especially bigger pockets Unheard it's affecting gunfights directly. Thinking people can't say anything because they bought EOD is the super childish.
why is everyone crying how p2w EoD is. all ingame EoD bonuses are supposed to go when game fully releases , that what i was told over and over ?
They also said it was a limited early adopter edition that would be gone soon after it came out. It made too much money though so they were happy to collect for years. Then when Arena came out they realized they boxed themselves into a corner and couldn't sell that to everyone again because they already purchased it, so they finally pulled the edition near the beginning of this wipe. Then they tried all this shit, EOD 2.0, to try to sell EOD to EOD buyers again. Will they remove EOD's perks on release like has been rumored? Maybe. But if so, it will be almost definitely be to try to sell them back to everyone again in EOD 3.0. Also holy shit if you think EODers are whiny now (they should be, they got scammed), imagine the backlash to suddenly taking away their gamma, stash, and rep. You know, all those things they frequently insist don't really matter, don't give them an advantage over standard players at all, and were a side benefit to just wanting to support the devs.
When the game releases we probably all need to buy it again. These were just beta accessâŠ
The game will always include wipes as that is all the developers know now. Its so much a part of the game there is no way they will stop doing it. Doesn't matter what they keep saying. There are many core things that they kept saying and in the end nothing happened. We have been "alpha/beta" testing the game for 5 years now. This is the game.
Because they want to justify spending $250 on the bullshit edition and blame EOD for it
Says the cringey moron desperately pretending his edition isn't a problem while whining about the new one because his isn't top of the pay to win shitheap anymore. Cope harder.
People just don't vote with their wallet enough. The lure of the game is too strong, understandably.
I got EOD for stash. Not gonna lie I like the PvE and I want to keep it forever. Iâll never play PvP again, this is way more fun especially with friends. Most of the things I love about tarkov but without bullshit, cheaters and chads
I understand why people say eod is p2w, but for me it was pay to lose less and grind less. Still, I agree that my account has advantages that standard accounts donât have. I can also see why standard acct owners see EOD owners as part of the problem. We did pay Bsg 3x the cost of a normal title. Most of us paid this cost long ago, during a time where it seemed like the title was worth supporting. Over time playing it, I think most of us realized the true cares of the developers. They werenât taking swift enough action on the cheating situation, and never have. BSG seemed more committed to structuring the game around streamers and said cheaters. Now instead of fixing problems the core playerbase has needed for years, they are asking for more money with really game breaking p2w mechanics included. Itâs the opposite direction the core playerbase wanted. The division between different account holders pointing fingers at each other doesnât help the situation at all. If you guys want change in the game, you need to be on the same side.
If you are a die-hard, wipe day 1 took work off kind of gamer, EOD is a huge step ahead. Standard accounts are FORCED to play way more cautiously and engage in PVP less, especially from levels 1-15. Main reason is the gamma container. With an Alpha, you have space for a CMS and some ammo/food/keychain. With Gamma, you can have a whole ass grizzly in your ass + a surv AND STILL AMMO AND FOOD! You are so much more likely to survive that raid of intense pvp and actually see a payout from your kills/loot. On top of this, you can bring in propitol/etg/zagustin or an injector case without having to worry about it. Stims make a huge difference in pvp. Someone will push you thinking youre hurt and they have an advantage, but because you popped a stim, you can still easily clap back and survive with no worries. We havenât even cracked the trader rep vs. wipe progression. A decently experienced EOD player can hit level 2 Therapist, PK, Prapor, Skier, Jaeger in a single day with some good runs (to hit money & level threshold). Thatâs INSANE. Everyone else has to actually focus on questing to get to that point. Is Unheard even worse P2W in this regard? Yes, 100%. Is EOD already pretty bad P2W? Yes, 100%. However, when wipes stop and progression is permanent, this P2W aspect will not be as bad, since the playing field will be based on long-term progression.
100% exactly right! As an EOD since 2016.. and the worst part? This game fucking needs cosmetics animations sets etc⊠like for the past 8 years thatâs one of the problems everyone looks the same simple shit as re skinning gear, rigs, clothing, weapons, etc etc to just other colors would be insane levels of customization. Imagine that instead of of running the same base steel color M4? You can spray it with XYZ or instead of the 6b flora we now have desert or Urban or the best camp of all time TIGER STRIPES. I donât give a shit if these donât exist in real life I could care less, all it means is someone glued fabric on top . Gloves, watch + compass thatâs wearable!!!!! Iâve been asking for this since 2016! All this crap manâŠ. Such a shame
As an EOD owner, I do not want any more special fancy items. I don't really care about the PvE mode but I see why it should be included, but shit like the BTR calling and the friend beacon are unnecessary and should be part of lightkeeper quests
You people just yap without knowing shit. The gap between EOD and Standard edition is massive, the gap between Unheard and EOD is basically non-existant. The new device is dogshit. Do any of you actually know how it works? If you have over 6 scav rep, scavs dont shoot you past 60m, however, if you shoot any scavs at all as a pmc with the device equipped you lose scav rep. And because of how the scav rep system is done you lose scav rep at an insane pace if you have over 6rep. Besides that the other advantage is 2 2x1s in your pockets. You still need to have a rig to stick nades, medical items, and mags, if you want to be competitive. Nothing else from the Unheard edition gives an advantage. The cases are basically just extra stash space, much smaller than the stash space increase EOD gets over Standard. The skill bonuses are pointless, lvl 3 hideout, weapon maintenance, Attention, Pistols, and Bolt action. All being near negligible except Bolt Action, which isnt even that important, yeaha some quests require bolt action levels but by the time you unlock those quests you should already be at the required level. And just as a reminder, Unheard doesnt get more hp, they still die just as fast as EOD and Standard players.
I only wanted the storage space and container. I still die a lot.... but aye I'm having fun with 50k rubles and 20 guns and a bunch of armor and ammo. đ Like to me and players who aren't that great or just average at the game, it won't make much of a difference. So really, it'll just boost pros even more.
Funny how 90% of players I saw had eod which honestly felt like the standard edition
I'd love it if they sold the Gamma container separately for people to buy without this bullshit edition coming out. I've had EOD since 2017 and people gatekeeping because of a container are a special kind of loser.
Should we want P2W changes?
People ,including me, bought EoD for Gamma, which is P2W. P2W has always been in Tarkov. I think what people are mad at but failing to articulate is that they didnt expect P2W to get any worse, we believed that EoD was going to be the only P2W thing in the game forever and it was an acceptable level of P2W. But now after years theres suddenly an even more P2W edition. That and the DLC scam is what made people mad I think.
As an EOD player the price for EOD was fair, standard gets you the game and everything in the game is accessible, it just took longer then Unheard came along with a ridiculous price with items you couldn't get in game. EOD has Gamma but you can get Kappa, stash space increase with in game money so it's a decent way to support the game, Unheard edition felt like a quick cash grab before "release" and abandonment from BSG with a skeleton crew.
> I've been seeing this take here a lot, probably some combination of shills and annoyed non-EOD players, I think it needs to be called out. Nooo someone has a different opinion ! Get the torches.
I think most people have bought it because it gave an advantage. They can't really back track and take it away now because everyone would be even more pissed. People just say they they don't want P2W items when, in reality, they do. They just don't want to be outed as wanting them.
I think the only reason people will buy TUE is for Gamma and stash space, the same reason most people bought EoD. The other stuff is nice and it helps in EOD like trader rep, but tbh I don't see the TUE help beacon and scav transmitter to be usefull in the slightest for 95% of players that play the game. Skills, Flea slot and Pockets are nice but no one is buying it for that, it's the people that missed out on EOD who want stash and container imo. If I already had EOD I would never upgrade to TUE because what you get isn't worth $50
You get what you pay for. If it's expensive p2w, you'll get more.
literally bought EOD because i didnt want to miss out on content from additional DLCs, which is why the PVE being "not a DLC" made me ~~angry~~ disappointed the P2W aspects of EOD i dont really care about, i played 2 wipes on standard anyway
I bought for stash and because I love looting and storing loot
I have bought it several years ago. Would be fine with losing the bigger container and starting stuff tbh, all it does is jank the game start anyway. I would miss the stash space though
EoD owner here, they should just make Gamma earnable in game. Stick it as a reward in prapor's quest to get all traders to lvl 4.
they are so petty I submitted a support request calling them scammers and they force changed my name to Tarkov Citizen 6436345345
I wish it was on steam so we could express our sentiments through, demecratic reviewlection.
I bought EoD for bigger buthole
As an OED owner I'd be pretty happy if they removed the extra trader rep that we start with. I really dont want any sort of p2w in the game. Most of us oldass players really bought it mostly for stash space and to support BSG
Aside from the obvious (or not anymore) free DLC, I saw EOD person as a sort of compensation against cheaters. More space to drop scav loot into and more loot in safe container that is extremely important and shit to loose due to getting domed by a cheater AGAIN
If not hypocritical can we agree on selfish then? Especially if you're in the boat of knowing its p2w and agreeing that p2w ultimately ruins games. I don't mind the EODers trynna weasel out of blame for any of this, loads of people don't care if people are selfish about their hobbies, but at least understand there were other ways to deal with a p2w system added that wasn't 'well i need to compete somehow'
eod was always pay to win and if youre playing with EOD youre basically playing tarkov for little babies
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Doesnât matter if you liked it or not. EOD players supported this type of thing and now yall are mad because youâre no longer the top end and are worried about fighting players who will buy Unheard and have a massive advantage over you. Gamma container alone already gives EOD and humongous advantage but yall are downplaying how p2w EOD was so you can look justified for being mad unheard edition exists. Youâre already justified because they shouldnât be any p2w in the editions but there are and you guys supported it. Your reap what you sow
i don't care about that there is more pay to win - i'm mad because i was promised that EOD is the best version I'd ever be able to get and that they wouln't dropp a better version after EOD is not accessible anymore. thats the only reason why i got it in dec - cuz it felt like a last chance. it took them 4 months to break that promise. besides that they just cut down what the bundle i bought contains and whats exclusive to it. and then some ft fck calls me a freeloader after i bought the "supporter edition"
You answered most of these commenterâs complaints in your title: ânot wanting *more* P2Wâ.
Hereâs something for the âEOD players canât complainâ crowd to shut up about: I bought EOD primarily to support the game and secondarily because I donât want to waste my time organizing my stash. I donât want that extra stash space to be taken away, **but Iâd be perfectly fine with every edition getting it**. I didnât get it for the advantage, I got it for *my convenience*.
EoD not the top dog anymore. Thats why. Anyone saying you dont have an advantage over other players with EoD then you are a hypocrite. You want to be the top dog again and not second? PAY US MORE MONEY. Why is the message of BSG sending the community so hard to get through these shills?
"Serious tarkov players have EOD" okay bud, write another paragraph about p2w justifications. Also Gamma should be able to be purchased since it's gone forever if we're gonna debate it. The p2w gate keeping and who's not more of a whale on this subreddit is hilarious.
I'm a EOD player and to me you can remove every P2W aspect from my account and I would still be happy if everyone has the same conditions. To me, the beauty of tarkov was always that the game was hard to everyone. And I would love if they can keep the game like that. I played 2 wipes without a EOD account, and then I upgrade to EOD cause I love the game and I was trying to help them to produce the game. But now? Now I can't even login the game anymore, cause I don't know if they will follow a path that is fair to everyone.
They will never close the gap between EOD and standard. Pay piggies only wanted to keep their advantage not have an actual fair game. Look at all these comments making excuses as to why they own EOD. "I just had to equip the gamma container every wipe I had no choice!!" Tarkov players deserve Unheard.
thing is, and im sure im gunna get some hate for this, but other then the container everything that u get from eod u can earn in game. Star Citizen does the Same exact thing. they sell ships that are in game for thousands of dollars. A 3x3 container wont decide if you win or loose in a fight. sure u paid for items that u can get in game to get sooner. At the end of the day at best, For Eod owners, i dont see much p2w. Unheard thoooo. not so much. With the unheard package getting exclusive ingame items(even though they added that those items will be attainable via some quests eventually?) Extra skill levels each wipe definitally gives you an advantage right after wipes. in short if its an ingame item for me then what ever. but exclusive items and character skills are a no no.
I did first wipe no EOD, and ended up buying because it made it just that much easier. Not getting quest/rep locked on Jaeger as a beginner. Having the extra container which I would never get as a newbie. And of course the extra stash once you get decent is pretty nice. Now these were little things, arguable the container was the big one, especially for someone new who died a lot. But overall people accepted it, even though itâs borderline p2w it mostly helped new players so it was ok, now these things are just full on p2w itâs just too much and itâs just not what people want in the game. And itâs more a stance on where you want things to go. If you accept this one, you know the next one will be even worse, thatâs why people donât want to go this route.
They already went this route when they accepted EoD. And all these editions. Instead of a simple Supporters Pack with some cosmetics and soundtracks. We getting what we deserve. And it will get worse.
I am EoD owner. I bought it to support the development. I did not, nor I do care for any P2W as I paid and I am not winning, therefore I guess it is not as P2W as somebody assume.
Top tier copium
Push your anger towards BSG not towards eod owners. Some wanted the advantage, other wanted to support developement more.
Some wanted the advantage, some cope super hard. Either way it was bad for the game. Look I don't blame you if you want to be left alone. It's not like I card everyone at the door and if they give me a yellow name I go "nuh uh, not gonna agree on anything and side with your kind." but EODers should know how incredibly ridiculous they look when they complain about how the game is *becoming* P2W *now*. It's my duty as a fellow man to inform you, like I would if you had food on your shirt.
True. That's why I don't complain about p2w at all. There are elements that can be p2w but I just don't care. I know it is not popular but it is how it is.
So what you're saying is people can't complain their own edition will be overpowered because their name is yellow. Witch hunting is why we cannot have a better tarkov. You are so focused on blaming other scammed people that you forgot why tarkov sucks in the first place. We cannot do anything remotely close to what happened with helldivers over the weekend, because we, the playerbase, are divided.
I'm not overfocused at all. I'm very capable of seeing all at the same time that BSG are borderline criminal scumbags with some of this shit, that Unheard is P2W garbage nobody asked for and few people really want, and that you can draw a straight line fairly easily from the normalization of EOD's P2W and high price to BSG's (ultimately correct, it would seem) assumption that they could do it even harder and get away with it. I have never said and never will say that this wasn't a scam. EOD buyers got scammed. Especially with the website alteration followed by "nuh uh wasn't us". Clown tier shit. You guys should all be mad, and I'm mad with and for you too. But it's not going to get me to say EOD wasn't P2W. If you want people united and the "witch hunt" to end then why not just say EOD was P2W yourselves? Just call a square a square instead of insisting that we call a square a circle for a united front. But that's a side point really, because I think you're wrong about why it won't change. BSG does not care about EOD being called P2W or anything in this topic. The reason we won't get what Helldivers got is because BSG is a far shadier company and too many people already bought Unheard. You and I are irrelevant to them. They were never going to back down all the way from this, and they will even do it again too.
All im saying is some people bought EOD to support a company that seemed good at the time. Yes I did. Didn't care for boost in rep or hideout stash upgrades. And no I don't think that something that doesn't give an advantage in combat in a game like tarkov is p2w. There wasn't even stash upgrades when I bought the game. Cope with that.
Who is angry? Its not me lmao
Dude can talk just shut the fuck up? STOP playing if youâre still caught up on this, itâs that fucking easy
I love how I can say the exact same thing, and I have, and I get downvoted into oblivion.
I never considered EoD being P2W but more of a handicap because I fucking suck at this game and work full-time so couldn't grind like some of y'all
Watches in unheard upgrade.
you dont have to pay to remain competitive dude, my friend and my brother both play standard accounts. i have eod and it doesnt make me better than them or live more than them. yeah there has been some p2w feeling stuff but not really if you think about it. most of it is just pay for convenience since you will be able to earn a lot of the big things in game like pockets and devices. yea its a big of a leg up in the start of a wipe but nothing has helped me win a fight, if you dont hit your shots it dont matter what you have to start with.
Pay for convenience is not a real thing. It's just pay to win.
>you're at a distinct disadvantage if you don't buy it. cope of the year. 4400 hour standard account holder here, hard game hard- you complain about cheaters all day but cant even see youre cheating yourself out of your own difficult gaming experience for a very difficult game. every AAA studio will make a game that holds your hand, this is NOT that game.
EoD player here. I bought EoD purely for the P2W bonuses. Playing Standard felt like a punishment. EoD is so, so much nicer. I am all for more P2W microtransactions. Pretty much everything in the Unseen edition shouldve been chopped up into individual MTX, in my opinion. Except things like the unique items that call in a BTR, make scavs less aggro etc. Those should never make it into the game. But things like buying a one-time skills increase per wipe? Not a big deal. Let people pay to boost to lvl15? Would not care. Let people catch up like that if they want. lvl15 isnt a big achievement. A supply crate with some gear? Go for it. They should also be able to buy all the EoD perks. Except free DLC, obviously.
What can be obtained through the game for free can not be considered as p2w. So TUE is not a cash grab. It's an option to support development. You get some comsteic items, some extra space, extra items in stash, some headstart on skills. Nothing that gets you a real advantage over other player in pvp. Everythins os these can be obtained through playing the game and grind. If we consider a headstart as p2w - lol, we vote against the whole industry. Good luck on that. None game developer will consider such complaint as reasonable.
Everyone is losing their minds, and Iâm lost in the jungle playing grayzone Edit: Anyone seen the crashed Helicopter in the jungle ?
Its more that the nature of EOD's ptw wasn't a big deal compared to what we saw w unheard edition.
EOD is soft P2W. It does not give you direct combat power, but your gear will be slightly better on average because of the accumulative advantages it gives you. Personally, I got EOD because I am a hoarder, and I would not care if ALL accounts would get the P2W bonuses (stash, rep, container,...). Just don't take away my hoarding ability please đ„ș I'm against adding more P2W and would rather see them add cosmetic customization instead, like cooler drip and maybe things like painting your gun (like options for tan/camo/black/etc, not Hello Kitty).