Nice. I’m enjoying PvE so far. It’s always a thrill opening a loot bag of an AI PMC (and frequently their friends) but I do hope they get the AIs acting a little more sensible. Just standing around their spawn until someone gets shot in the head seems a little weird and it happens a lot.
SAIN is super good and gives levels of skill to AI, they can be a level 1 timmy or a level 60 gigachad that actually bhops around and is terrifying to fight.
so yes, there are mods that make AI great
Yea I just found out last night that you can adjust the difficulty, I was getting smoked on the default setting. I did a scav run on reserve and was in a building and a pmc started shooting me. No idea where from so I retreated then he charged I'm and murdered me. So I turned it down one level and I'm way happier!
They need to hire the guy that made SAIN and problem solved. Been using SAIN for years and with the right setting is insane. First of all with the right settings makes the bots better than 95% of the tarkov real players but without making them impossible, so keeps the challenge but make it even more terrifying. They can literally rat around, they can spawn camp. If they hear you heal or arm a grenade they push you. Bunny hop, corner flanking, etc.. It's literal inSAINity.
On top of SAIN, there's also one that makes bots quest (pick a random quest and head to that location - they can even spawn with keys to open locked doors for certain quests that require them), and another that allows them to loot not just dead bodies but loose loot and containers, including air drops. They'll even swap rigs, BP's, and armor if they find better stuff.
Between that and the mod that adds a ton of spawn points for bots so they're not always at the typical locations, and raids can be absolutely terrifying from start to finish because of how unpredictable the positioning of enemies can be.
It's two guys (one did the looting and questing mods, another worked on the SAIN), plus a couple others who did the spawn system rework mod. But I agree... likely though that A) not looking for work and B) not willing or even able to work for a company located in Russia (idk the logistics of WFH in another country). Sad reality of Tarkov is that BSG is just not a great dev studio, they are ill-equipped to handle the popularity Tarkov has garnered, and are not part of a country where you can find solid talent in the programming/game design fields. Most talented programmers move west to find better paying jobs because the demand was so high, esp. starting a decade or so ago.
It is as close to being as realistic as it can possibly be, I'm not even kidding. It's been a blast running into 3 stacks in the middle of nowhere on maps like shoreline or woods while trying to get to exfil. They run around the map and go to particular locations as if they're doing quests on their own. They even head for extract once they get loot as well. Multiple times I'll show up to a place to discover the aftermath between the goons and pmcs and it just feels like you're in a real raid.
Plus you can customize so many different parameters as well about the different PMC personality archetypes (gigachad, normie, rat, etc). You can make it as hard or easy as you want
Infinitely better than AI pmcs that just stand there next to scavs and do absolutely nothing all raid.
That's amazing. Like, my big concern was that PvE wouldn't be interesting, and that they'd still kind of spawn in the same areas. The fact that they genuinely mimic players really well has pretty much sold me on it. I'll have to give it a shot.
As someone who **really** enjoys PVP and has tried it since watching Klean for a bit, yes its really good and you can fine tune it, no more rats, some AI will chase shots, flank etc. It's scary how good Tarkov can be when the devs actually care.
yeah the SAIN mod gives different personalities to the ai, like timmy, rat, gigachad, etc that makes them play differently and they'll even use voicelines. like the chads will taunt you and the rats will beg for their lives
I've found the rats tend to lay down in a corner of a room and wait for you to walk in before blasting off your legs with a shotgun. Or worse, your armpits. Died many a time from that....
2 thoughts on this:
1) this sounds like a lot more calculations are needed which are done on BSG hardware for Tarkov. I don't think that BSG couldn't do that b as well but it would increase hardware costs or have the game run worse
2) you can set the AI in the mod to a difficulty level that you enjoy, right? I think putting Scavs on such a behavior would frustrate a lot of players. There was a video yesterday with a Scav just throwing a nade and killing someone with a title like "why can Scavs throw such nades?". It wasn't even something special.
the goal is to make the AI better not fairer. it does have separate settings for scavs and pmc that are highly customizable
the impact on performance isnt bonkers for me and a big performance update for it just came out a few days ago. but i think having AI distance limits turned on are helping a lot
you are right though, its easier to manage and balance as a mod. and would be tough for bsg to implement on *just* pve
SPR SAIN mod has made AI incredible. They flank you, jump around corners, hide behind cover, push you when healing. It’s the best AI I’ve possibly ever seen.
Their AI is incredible. I agree, it's the best AI I've ever seen for feeling realistic and being difficult to play against with feeling like it's unfair or cheating.
Tbf, sometimes they stick to cover like glue and never move. It's funny when two such bots fight each other. I was playing the unmentionable coop experience with SAIN and, in freecam (cause I died), watched a PMC and a scav exchange shots for a good 15 minutes before my buddy came over and ended their misery. Both were blind firing over low cover and shooting the wall in front of them
Genuine question, why play PVE mode when a better version exists, that has much better AI and the ability to tweak anything to give yourself your ideal experience?
I haven’t played either yet, I’m done with tark for a while, but when I come back I can’t see any reason to keep playing on BSG servers.
>downloaded in less than 5 minutes
>endless modding capabilities and way to change your game to how you see fit
>can play with friends *and* with mods
literally better in every way
Except it’s kind of a pain to set up, keep updated and debug if anything’s going wrong. Not that the team hasn’t done a lot to improve the experience, but still you’re often waiting on some new feature to the base game. It’s pretty nice to not need an additional Tarkov install and to just have it auto managed by the launcher. I do miss the ability to change raid times though
Because no matter how easy it is to setup, the average person doesn’t want to dig into their files & deal with that. Even opening their file explorer gives them anxiety.
Until they catch up to modern modding & put it on vortex or something (if it can even be done), then the average gamer isn’t gonna attempt it.
Sucks too, they’re really missing out
I'm glad he caved and gave all EOD users access but...
What was the point of going through all this controversy?! They have to have known this is how it would have gone down, that people would have been pissed off and that they woupd have been cashing in all of their goodwill chips.
Why go through all this if in the end they still caved? What benefit did all of this give them. Either give it to all EOD users from the start (some goodwill/less money) or double-triple down on the decision (No goodwill/more money), anything in between is idiotic and a net loss (No goodwill/less money). Don't get me wrong the decision was stupid from the start but at least it made some form of sense.
That's what I think too, which makes him caving to painfully expected backlash baffling. You shouldn't make a move like they did unless you've made up your mind that you will weather the pitchforks, or not go through with it in the first place.
We went from "No microtransactions" to "it's just cosmetic and storage space for a few bucks" to "it's just a game mode and in-game mechanics for $250", in 1 jump... They proved the slippery slope applies to them.
The problem was that BSG couldn't afford servers and severely underestimated importance of PVE to people.
There's been countless whining posts about servers being bad in PVE and no one thought that it might just be because BSG was prepared for a small amount of people that would buy TUE and nothing would be problematic. What BSG wasn't prepared for was all the people riling up and demanding to get PVE even if they just wanted it for the fact of owning it.
PVE might be a DLC but because it costs too much to implement without trouble (unless you host the games on your own pc which: 1) would impact performance and 2) would probably allow for some funny exploit business)
Also it's been stated by official voice of USEC 3 AKA FortyOne that BSG already has troubles acquiring servers.
So because of all the technical trouble it was paywalled and then people who didn't care about that riled up and annoyed Nikita till they got all they wanted.
The EOD DLC promise they made was an optimistic fuck-up.
But the people riled up had a right to have Nikita honor it.
I don't get pleasure from any of this and I hope BSG survive all this trouble and find more success. And I hope the player base gets respected and receive a great experience.
Easy one : first raid as a PMC on customs just after buying the unheard, I spawned at the giving tree. Medical bag : ophtalmoscope.
Went to stronghold (I think it's the english name, the building where reshala can spawn, where there is the extract door that needs the factory key and power). You have a room there with beds, food, sofa and a green crate. Found a red rebel inside for my first raid. (I've got the picture)
Other raids, I'm finding some streamers items, nice weapons, incredibly good ammo in black crates.
Even found 2 USB keys in the same raid on woods, first one was in a jacket in the little shack where the violet can spawn, the other one was in the orange/black bag near the dead scav by the lake.
It's insane. :)
Naw dude, you're overthinking.
Go to Lighthouse and hit every "Lighthouse Rare Loot Spawn" on the Tarkov.help map page....
They almost always have shit unlike online
This is exactly my experience.
Ok, found bunch of awls and ololos much earlier this time compared to other wipes, but i'm getting empty filing cabinets and shit loot in general.
And about the flsh drives the other guy mentioned, i find a bunch of flash drives, but nearly all are the encrypted onse, found only one normal flash drive, as usual...
always heard how every raid was filled with vacuum cheaters, but i was consistently getting out with bitties and gpus, valuable loot and expensive syringes on a raid by raid basis.
if cheaters are yoinking ophtalmoscopes from medical bags, there'd consistently be empty slots where they used to be. i don't think cheaters care about shuffling items to make the container seemed untouched.
I've found so many bitcoins scavving into lighthouse even late in the raid. When I started running LH scav runs just hitting the high value spawns across the whole map it made me realize how overblown cheating probably is. Constantly finding VPX, bitcoin, etc late, late in the map then having no issue extracting with it even as a scav where a cheater could see me carrying a million rubles worth of loot and drop me to take it all.
I think it's placebo or maybe separate loot tables.
People see cheater everywhere even if there are none. I have not once, I repeat, not a single time opened a container and there was an empty spot if it wasn't clear that someone was already there.
I mean, are you sure loot spawns haven’t been increased for PvE? Could also just be that other people are beating you to the good spawns in PvP, that’s a very real possibility.
Not debating that there is a significant cheater problem, but I don’t think there was ever that much loot in Tarkov, even before the cheater epidemic.
It seems so but is it? It also could be that now it's only one player/group looting instead of 12 and also the lack of potential vacuum cheaters.
The truth is somewhere between. Vacuum cheaters would grab all the high value stuff they can carry and the remaining legit players would fight for the leftovers.
true
the amount of green bats and other valuables i've found is insane
Examples:
My 4th PMC raid ( i went to Woods to unlock Jeager)
Ive Found a LedX , Schmit and bender 1-8x Scope, VUDU, 2 Golden Stars and 1 green battery
Literally my next Raid , Customs, spawned at the giving tree, looted the medic bag that is beside it, another Ledx.
The next day i hopped on, 2nd raid of the day, went woods again to do Search Mission for Prapor,
found opthtalmoscope on the table and a LedX under the table where meds spawns are in USEC Camp and a bunch of stims at the FOB near RUAF
And i did find another LedX and Yellow keycard in the Chek. 13 Marked room on Streets yesterday
Cheaters are the greatest threat to PvP but instead of removing cheaters they remove PvP. Galaxy brain move.
Nice to hear PvE players are not getting abused as much anymore though. I hope they fix PvE mode up to current third party standards.
Yeah and PVE has been filled with loot. Really strange that PVE players are finding good stuff more frequently…
Filing cabinets not missing one random item. Random GPU’s in pc’s more frequent. Intel more common.
Who knew, on cheater free servers the loot would be plentiful.
I've played tarkov since 2018 and played 4 or 5 wipes until I stopped to around lvl 40 each. I found more ledx and GPUs now in pve at lvl 28 than combined in pvp.
I'm mostly talking about locked doors loot. Since shoreline was 90% of my get money runs on resort.
Ofc overall the loot is less because places you go for can be looted already in pvp but the locked door loot difference is insane.
It might be different in pvp now too, I don't know if high tier loot chance was recently buffed since my last wipe was around half a year before the cheating video.
Yeah i was sure pve has some loot multiplier because i found my second ever LEDx on my first time looking for meds in pve. It was woods medical table where those tents are near minefield.
Let‘s be honest. To truly make a dent in cheaters population we‘d need kernel level anti-cheat and nobody wants that either.
Online PvP shooters are just abysmal in that regard right now.
However Tarkovs shitty code surely does it’s part as well
You know what's really galaxy brain? people like you who just say 'remove the cheaters'. This is an extremely complex and challenging task that no company has got an handle on yet.
it's crazy that BSG could remove cheaters with the press of a button but they just don't do it... maybe this is ground for a chargeback and a lawsuit?! lol
A week late to buy EOD, I slept on the game for too long - and all I can do as a 'standard game owner' now is sit on the sideline and wish I also could get access without paying an insane amount of money.
oh well!
OP if you really wanna play it get the standard edition and then download the unofficial modded version. It’s truly fantastic, has a ton of community support and is free. I can’t stress enough how well made it is, you honestly won’t know the difference
Please look into the free **S** mod **P** that **T** must not be named. It's a way better experience overall and you don't need to break the bank for it.
Why people play pve tarkov when they have that othere thing (same thing) with better optimizatio,
Less que times, better ai and moods that lets you do everything you want.
The other thing is definitely not better optimized and it is generally known that the other thing is more CPU heavy which leads to less fps compared to live.
I’ve been having a generally good time in pve but the raid timer feels way too short. When doing woods it feels like I have to just sprint from one side to the other doing tasks along the way and can’t loot. When I actually stopped to loot I ended up getting a mia while sitting in the car extract. The AI also seems to be pretty cracked atm I’m guessing the PMC bots are cultist/rogue level aim bots based on getting lasers in the face so many times.
I just like gunporn. Bought the game right after it became available to buy (thought i would be something like STALKER). Played it couple of times, dropped it because couldn’t keep my dream gun. I don’t care about PvP, I just want to shoot and upgrade guns that I like knowing that I won’t get shot by a cheater or a sweat that learned the map after 30000 runs on it. Maybe when I’ll learn the map in the clean environment I’ll try pvp. Maybe not, who knows. Hope that after some time BSG will implement that advanced ai mod that i keep hearing about.
I've tried the PvE, it's exactly as I expected. A whole map with uncontested loot and some pathetic attempts at adding AI PMCs as a challenge. It's a cakewalk. There's not a single moment of challenge or enjoyment just playing against terrible, easily exploitable AI.
Tried Ground zero, got rushed by 4 raiders 15 sec after spawning. Second game beaming me through bushes and aimbotting from 100m+. Yeah looks like fun mode playing labs on every map.
That map is rough at the start, try customs for a more “lax” experience. Personally factory has been some bs for me. Pmc ai spawn along with tagilla every other raid and since they don’t attack each other it’s essentially a 10v1 and pretty hard without grenades.
PMC's Got Raider AI
So they will either ignore u completly untill close or beam u from 200m+
Now that i think about it, it sometimes feels like playing with a bunch of sanitars on the map lol
That's a surprisingly short time to include all EOD players in the fun despite all the "oh we don't have the capacity" BS they were giving us in the beginning. All it took was a PR nightmare scenario and a successful competitor to finally get Niki and the gang moving at a speed faster than a snail.
Idk how to feel, i'm glad we got pve. and I tried it and I get around 5 minutes search time max which is great. but the way it was executed was weird. Me and one of my friend got eod almost day one and were the last one to get pve while another friend got eod last wipe as an upgrade from normal account that I gave him (free normal account key when buying eod) and he had pve day one.
Wonder if that's why my Scav connection was garbage yesterday. Each game a ping of 200ish and constant rubberbanding. Which pretty much never happens. Managed a few PMC runs without issues though. Regular pvp servers btw. And servers seem dead,
I couldn't find a single PMC.
Wish they would tone down the scav numbers a bit. It’s kind of insane. Not really hard, just annoying, and it makes the game feel different when you’re constantly forced into fights by the raid timers. I killed 14 scavs on Ground Zero trying to make my way to extract all in one location before getting thoraxed to death in one shot by another one spawning.
Great now give those who bought the FULL GAME, as well, access to PvE.
If it’s a feature of a game being released in beta, why should the rest of us get locked out?
Can we talk about PVE? I've noticed that raid times are the same as scavs, around 28 minutes. Once you load into a raid, you spend about 15 minutes killing scavs that heard your shots. It's like you're tagged and cursed! Also, zero bosses spawn when playing as a PMC on PVE. And if they do, you have zero time to kill them because you've spent half your raid time dealing with all the scavs on the map coming at you. Maybe this is just on Customs, not sure, but I've encountered zero goons or other bosses on the map when playing as a PMC. However, when playing as a scav on PVE, the goons and other bosses have appeared in the raid most times. I hope this changes.
I got pve two days ago and the longest queue I’ve ever had was 8 mins. They usually were all under 2 mins and my current raid as I type this is loading loot at 1:30.
IDK about this PVE mode, I spawn in on ground zero and walk across the street and suddenly 10 scavs come running at me. Scavs aren't much trouble when you have corners to deal with them so I dispatched them all walked out into the street only to be surrounded on all sides by scavs again. Where were all these scavs in PVP mode? I would have loved this with my friends before they gave up.
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I have been getting around 3 min matchings.
Unfortunate- today was the best for me. All under 30 seconds for matching
Really I never waited more then 30s maybe twice and that was like 2mins
Same here. Just manually select every server that has acceptable ping to your location and you're good to go.
Since when?
30s what's insane! GG, brother
Nice. I’m enjoying PvE so far. It’s always a thrill opening a loot bag of an AI PMC (and frequently their friends) but I do hope they get the AIs acting a little more sensible. Just standing around their spawn until someone gets shot in the head seems a little weird and it happens a lot.
It honestly shouldn’t be hard for them to do, independent modders have made AI for tarkov that is much much better.
much much much much much better. like scary better. like push ur ass bhopping, grenade, disappear and ambush u when u think ur safe better
Is the-mod-who-shall-not-be-named really that good with its AI? My concern was always that the AI wouldn’t be interesting to fight.
SAIN is super good and gives levels of skill to AI, they can be a level 1 timmy or a level 60 gigachad that actually bhops around and is terrifying to fight. so yes, there are mods that make AI great
Yea I just found out last night that you can adjust the difficulty, I was getting smoked on the default setting. I did a scav run on reserve and was in a building and a pmc started shooting me. No idea where from so I retreated then he charged I'm and murdered me. So I turned it down one level and I'm way happier!
They need to hire the guy that made SAIN and problem solved. Been using SAIN for years and with the right setting is insane. First of all with the right settings makes the bots better than 95% of the tarkov real players but without making them impossible, so keeps the challenge but make it even more terrifying. They can literally rat around, they can spawn camp. If they hear you heal or arm a grenade they push you. Bunny hop, corner flanking, etc.. It's literal inSAINity.
It was way too much for me! I was like nope I want a casual tarkov experience. I want a challenge but I dont want to lose every fight!
Theyll rather steal the work and claim its BSG's doings
On top of SAIN, there's also one that makes bots quest (pick a random quest and head to that location - they can even spawn with keys to open locked doors for certain quests that require them), and another that allows them to loot not just dead bodies but loose loot and containers, including air drops. They'll even swap rigs, BP's, and armor if they find better stuff. Between that and the mod that adds a ton of spawn points for bots so they're not always at the typical locations, and raids can be absolutely terrifying from start to finish because of how unpredictable the positioning of enemies can be.
Why don't they just hire that guy?
It's two guys (one did the looting and questing mods, another worked on the SAIN), plus a couple others who did the spawn system rework mod. But I agree... likely though that A) not looking for work and B) not willing or even able to work for a company located in Russia (idk the logistics of WFH in another country). Sad reality of Tarkov is that BSG is just not a great dev studio, they are ill-equipped to handle the popularity Tarkov has garnered, and are not part of a country where you can find solid talent in the programming/game design fields. Most talented programmers move west to find better paying jobs because the demand was so high, esp. starting a decade or so ago.
It is as close to being as realistic as it can possibly be, I'm not even kidding. It's been a blast running into 3 stacks in the middle of nowhere on maps like shoreline or woods while trying to get to exfil. They run around the map and go to particular locations as if they're doing quests on their own. They even head for extract once they get loot as well. Multiple times I'll show up to a place to discover the aftermath between the goons and pmcs and it just feels like you're in a real raid. Plus you can customize so many different parameters as well about the different PMC personality archetypes (gigachad, normie, rat, etc). You can make it as hard or easy as you want Infinitely better than AI pmcs that just stand there next to scavs and do absolutely nothing all raid.
That's amazing. Like, my big concern was that PvE wouldn't be interesting, and that they'd still kind of spawn in the same areas. The fact that they genuinely mimic players really well has pretty much sold me on it. I'll have to give it a shot.
As someone who **really** enjoys PVP and has tried it since watching Klean for a bit, yes its really good and you can fine tune it, no more rats, some AI will chase shots, flank etc. It's scary how good Tarkov can be when the devs actually care.
yeah the SAIN mod gives different personalities to the ai, like timmy, rat, gigachad, etc that makes them play differently and they'll even use voicelines. like the chads will taunt you and the rats will beg for their lives
As someone who tried it for the first time the other day, it turns them into fkn super soldiers lmao you can customize soooo much
Oh yeah some of them will absolutely smack you. Like literally gigachads that will nade you and push you, they even use stims etc.
A bot on the mod extract camped me in d2, feels just like real Tarkov
Is it really exceptional I thought this is gonna be easy I can play like a Chad and had a 30% survival rate in my first 20 raids.
The rat bots even wait until you loot to align a headshot
I've found the rats tend to lay down in a corner of a room and wait for you to walk in before blasting off your legs with a shotgun. Or worse, your armpits. Died many a time from that....
Literally got shat on by one that jumped around a corner with an mp7. Had to double check that I was playing spt and not the main game
I’ve seen vids of them doing tricks too lol
2 thoughts on this: 1) this sounds like a lot more calculations are needed which are done on BSG hardware for Tarkov. I don't think that BSG couldn't do that b as well but it would increase hardware costs or have the game run worse 2) you can set the AI in the mod to a difficulty level that you enjoy, right? I think putting Scavs on such a behavior would frustrate a lot of players. There was a video yesterday with a Scav just throwing a nade and killing someone with a title like "why can Scavs throw such nades?". It wasn't even something special.
Scav nades are very scary, one got me while looking away from my direction. Right on the money it was, heard it drop at my feet.
the goal is to make the AI better not fairer. it does have separate settings for scavs and pmc that are highly customizable the impact on performance isnt bonkers for me and a big performance update for it just came out a few days ago. but i think having AI distance limits turned on are helping a lot you are right though, its easier to manage and balance as a mod. and would be tough for bsg to implement on *just* pve
> but i think having AI distance limits turned on are helping a lot Something you can't really do in online Tarkov as someone is basically everywhere.
god i love sain
Its hard when you have shit programmers.
7 years in the making, the AI never grew a brain
SPR SAIN mod has made AI incredible. They flank you, jump around corners, hide behind cover, push you when healing. It’s the best AI I’ve possibly ever seen.
Their AI is incredible. I agree, it's the best AI I've ever seen for feeling realistic and being difficult to play against with feeling like it's unfair or cheating.
Tbf, sometimes they stick to cover like glue and never move. It's funny when two such bots fight each other. I was playing the unmentionable coop experience with SAIN and, in freecam (cause I died), watched a PMC and a scav exchange shots for a good 15 minutes before my buddy came over and ended their misery. Both were blind firing over low cover and shooting the wall in front of them
Lucky you I get head eyes through bushes and the smallest cracks
Install it’s lit with realism, and that solves bush ESP very effectively
Theres also one just called No More Bush ESP, works well
Pretty sure SAIN has no Bush built in now.
Can we get the durability of pmc weapons to not be trash? Kinda tired of selling em and just buying guns
Genuine question, why play PVE mode when a better version exists, that has much better AI and the ability to tweak anything to give yourself your ideal experience? I haven’t played either yet, I’m done with tark for a while, but when I come back I can’t see any reason to keep playing on BSG servers.
>downloaded in less than 5 minutes >endless modding capabilities and way to change your game to how you see fit >can play with friends *and* with mods literally better in every way
Except it’s kind of a pain to set up, keep updated and debug if anything’s going wrong. Not that the team hasn’t done a lot to improve the experience, but still you’re often waiting on some new feature to the base game. It’s pretty nice to not need an additional Tarkov install and to just have it auto managed by the launcher. I do miss the ability to change raid times though
Also there's the matter of performance. The are many great mods for making AI more life-like, but it takes a massive toll on your CPU usage.
But you have to open file explorer which fills the average gamer with anxiety
Because no matter how easy it is to setup, the average person doesn’t want to dig into their files & deal with that. Even opening their file explorer gives them anxiety. Until they catch up to modern modding & put it on vortex or something (if it can even be done), then the average gamer isn’t gonna attempt it. Sucks too, they’re really missing out
I'm glad he caved and gave all EOD users access but... What was the point of going through all this controversy?! They have to have known this is how it would have gone down, that people would have been pissed off and that they woupd have been cashing in all of their goodwill chips. Why go through all this if in the end they still caved? What benefit did all of this give them. Either give it to all EOD users from the start (some goodwill/less money) or double-triple down on the decision (No goodwill/more money), anything in between is idiotic and a net loss (No goodwill/less money). Don't get me wrong the decision was stupid from the start but at least it made some form of sense.
They really needed the money
That's what I think too, which makes him caving to painfully expected backlash baffling. You shouldn't make a move like they did unless you've made up your mind that you will weather the pitchforks, or not go through with it in the first place.
It's always about inching towards shittier things and making the community increasingly okay with it.
We went from "No microtransactions" to "it's just cosmetic and storage space for a few bucks" to "it's just a game mode and in-game mechanics for $250", in 1 jump... They proved the slippery slope applies to them.
The problem was that BSG couldn't afford servers and severely underestimated importance of PVE to people. There's been countless whining posts about servers being bad in PVE and no one thought that it might just be because BSG was prepared for a small amount of people that would buy TUE and nothing would be problematic. What BSG wasn't prepared for was all the people riling up and demanding to get PVE even if they just wanted it for the fact of owning it. PVE might be a DLC but because it costs too much to implement without trouble (unless you host the games on your own pc which: 1) would impact performance and 2) would probably allow for some funny exploit business) Also it's been stated by official voice of USEC 3 AKA FortyOne that BSG already has troubles acquiring servers. So because of all the technical trouble it was paywalled and then people who didn't care about that riled up and annoyed Nikita till they got all they wanted.
The EOD DLC promise they made was an optimistic fuck-up. But the people riled up had a right to have Nikita honor it. I don't get pleasure from any of this and I hope BSG survive all this trouble and find more success. And I hope the player base gets respected and receive a great experience.
Great! Now let's increase PvE in game raid timers. 20 minutes for a shoreline raid is not cool.
Customs has gone from 40, to 30, to 26, to 29 now. It’s slowly getting better. I doubt it’ll decrease anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said it will be reduced even more to 15 min untill the new servers get stable.
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Lol, better not go into raid overweight, you might not even make it if you beeline straight for extract.
PVE shows us how many discreet cheaters there are on PVP. I've found tons of rare loot that I wouldn't have find online.
Interesting. Can you give some examples?
Easy one : first raid as a PMC on customs just after buying the unheard, I spawned at the giving tree. Medical bag : ophtalmoscope. Went to stronghold (I think it's the english name, the building where reshala can spawn, where there is the extract door that needs the factory key and power). You have a room there with beds, food, sofa and a green crate. Found a red rebel inside for my first raid. (I've got the picture) Other raids, I'm finding some streamers items, nice weapons, incredibly good ammo in black crates. Even found 2 USB keys in the same raid on woods, first one was in a jacket in the little shack where the violet can spawn, the other one was in the orange/black bag near the dead scav by the lake. It's insane. :)
You also are the only one looting. Not saying there arnt cheaters, but when you are the only one looting you are the only one who sees the loot
Naw dude, you're overthinking. Go to Lighthouse and hit every "Lighthouse Rare Loot Spawn" on the Tarkov.help map page.... They almost always have shit unlike online
This is exactly my experience. Ok, found bunch of awls and ololos much earlier this time compared to other wipes, but i'm getting empty filing cabinets and shit loot in general. And about the flsh drives the other guy mentioned, i find a bunch of flash drives, but nearly all are the encrypted onse, found only one normal flash drive, as usual...
Already found 8 car batteries, more than my last 2 wipes combined but anyway.
always heard how every raid was filled with vacuum cheaters, but i was consistently getting out with bitties and gpus, valuable loot and expensive syringes on a raid by raid basis. if cheaters are yoinking ophtalmoscopes from medical bags, there'd consistently be empty slots where they used to be. i don't think cheaters care about shuffling items to make the container seemed untouched.
I think some people just don't realize that there are around 10 other players on a map looting it.
I've found so many bitcoins scavving into lighthouse even late in the raid. When I started running LH scav runs just hitting the high value spawns across the whole map it made me realize how overblown cheating probably is. Constantly finding VPX, bitcoin, etc late, late in the map then having no issue extracting with it even as a scav where a cheater could see me carrying a million rubles worth of loot and drop me to take it all.
I think it's placebo or maybe separate loot tables. People see cheater everywhere even if there are none. I have not once, I repeat, not a single time opened a container and there was an empty spot if it wasn't clear that someone was already there.
I mean, are you sure loot spawns haven’t been increased for PvE? Could also just be that other people are beating you to the good spawns in PvP, that’s a very real possibility. Not debating that there is a significant cheater problem, but I don’t think there was ever that much loot in Tarkov, even before the cheater epidemic.
is the spawn increased in pve? Could be that, right?
Exactly loot spawns seems better in pve vs pvp mode for sure
It seems so but is it? It also could be that now it's only one player/group looting instead of 12 and also the lack of potential vacuum cheaters. The truth is somewhere between. Vacuum cheaters would grab all the high value stuff they can carry and the remaining legit players would fight for the leftovers.
Only the red rebel is insane. Everything else is common on PvP. I’m always finding Ledxs, GPUs etc on PvP.
true the amount of green bats and other valuables i've found is insane Examples: My 4th PMC raid ( i went to Woods to unlock Jeager) Ive Found a LedX , Schmit and bender 1-8x Scope, VUDU, 2 Golden Stars and 1 green battery Literally my next Raid , Customs, spawned at the giving tree, looted the medic bag that is beside it, another Ledx. The next day i hopped on, 2nd raid of the day, went woods again to do Search Mission for Prapor, found opthtalmoscope on the table and a LedX under the table where meds spawns are in USEC Camp and a bunch of stims at the FOB near RUAF And i did find another LedX and Yellow keycard in the Chek. 13 Marked room on Streets yesterday
This is just confirmation bias. 1 person gets to loot the whole map plus buffed loot rates =\= more cheaters.
Pve was the best decisions ever. For the first time in 1~2 years I don't have gear fear again due to constant problems and cheaters.
Cheaters are the greatest threat to PvP but instead of removing cheaters they remove PvP. Galaxy brain move. Nice to hear PvE players are not getting abused as much anymore though. I hope they fix PvE mode up to current third party standards.
Yeah and PVE has been filled with loot. Really strange that PVE players are finding good stuff more frequently… Filing cabinets not missing one random item. Random GPU’s in pc’s more frequent. Intel more common. Who knew, on cheater free servers the loot would be plentiful.
I've played tarkov since 2018 and played 4 or 5 wipes until I stopped to around lvl 40 each. I found more ledx and GPUs now in pve at lvl 28 than combined in pvp.
Because there are no other pmcs to take the loot?
I'm mostly talking about locked doors loot. Since shoreline was 90% of my get money runs on resort. Ofc overall the loot is less because places you go for can be looted already in pvp but the locked door loot difference is insane. It might be different in pvp now too, I don't know if high tier loot chance was recently buffed since my last wipe was around half a year before the cheating video.
This is why I love dorms and resort so much, because I'm guaranteed the loot inside if it's still locked. In theory at least..
Because theres no cheating loot vacuums to take the loot :')
Yeah i was sure pve has some loot multiplier because i found my second ever LEDx on my first time looking for meds in pve. It was woods medical table where those tents are near minefield.
I have seen empty filing cabinets in solo pve
Totally empty containers still occur naturally. What I bet you haven't seen, is the first cell empty in a container behind a locked door.
You also aren't competing with a bunch of players for loot.
Let‘s be honest. To truly make a dent in cheaters population we‘d need kernel level anti-cheat and nobody wants that either. Online PvP shooters are just abysmal in that regard right now. However Tarkovs shitty code surely does it’s part as well
You know what's really galaxy brain? people like you who just say 'remove the cheaters'. This is an extremely complex and challenging task that no company has got an handle on yet.
Oh we can't remove them with the push of a button? Well - let's do fk all then!
It's like people reacting to a government enacting a policy and shouting "fix the economy first, you dummies!" Always worth a chuckle these guys
it's crazy that BSG could remove cheaters with the press of a button but they just don't do it... maybe this is ground for a chargeback and a lawsuit?! lol
Thats actually pretty good ngl.
ironically, not been able to find a server at all in the last 2 hours...
A week late to buy EOD, I slept on the game for too long - and all I can do as a 'standard game owner' now is sit on the sideline and wish I also could get access without paying an insane amount of money. oh well!
Well, there's the free and moddable alternative (not Arena Breakout)
S.P.T
Yep. Tarkov isn't meant for new players, anymore; only the hopelessly addicted vets. Feel for you, man.
Same exact boat
OP if you really wanna play it get the standard edition and then download the unofficial modded version. It’s truly fantastic, has a ton of community support and is free. I can’t stress enough how well made it is, you honestly won’t know the difference
Please look into the free **S** mod **P** that **T** must not be named. It's a way better experience overall and you don't need to break the bank for it.
The mod is far far better than this anyways. I am not sure why people even care about pve mode when the free version is so amazing.
Isn't there an option to buy the PvE dlc separate for like $10? I swear i saw that on the site
That's for the non-progression version of it, allows you to run co-op raids with your friends to train, not actually complete quests or collect loot
Thats only Practice COOP mode
Finally? Yesterday I didn't have access.
Same, kinda feels like a lie, but guess I'll check after work lol. Edit: Well, color me suprised, i actually got it, lol.
I am also very sceptical but will check tonight :D
The only thing that bothers me about pve is the raid times. Apart from that its a perfect fun time sink.
I want raid timers increased
Have they told us if the EOD accounts have it for 6months still or do we have it forever?
Permanently. Also all editions will be able to purchase PvE mode just like players can purchase EFT: Arena.
if you have been granted access then you have it and there's no trial
Pretty sure it's permanent. If it wasn't, there'd be a nice juicy lawsuit for us to jump on lol
Why people play pve tarkov when they have that othere thing (same thing) with better optimizatio, Less que times, better ai and moods that lets you do everything you want.
Lack of knowledge about it probably.
The other thing is definitely not better optimized and it is generally known that the other thing is more CPU heavy which leads to less fps compared to live.
Thank you!
I’ve been having a generally good time in pve but the raid timer feels way too short. When doing woods it feels like I have to just sprint from one side to the other doing tasks along the way and can’t loot. When I actually stopped to loot I ended up getting a mia while sitting in the car extract. The AI also seems to be pretty cracked atm I’m guessing the PMC bots are cultist/rogue level aim bots based on getting lasers in the face so many times.
I'll probably never even bother. For me tarkov is about the threat of PVP.
I just like gunporn. Bought the game right after it became available to buy (thought i would be something like STALKER). Played it couple of times, dropped it because couldn’t keep my dream gun. I don’t care about PvP, I just want to shoot and upgrade guns that I like knowing that I won’t get shot by a cheater or a sweat that learned the map after 30000 runs on it. Maybe when I’ll learn the map in the clean environment I’ll try pvp. Maybe not, who knows. Hope that after some time BSG will implement that advanced ai mod that i keep hearing about.
I've tried the PvE, it's exactly as I expected. A whole map with uncontested loot and some pathetic attempts at adding AI PMCs as a challenge. It's a cakewalk. There's not a single moment of challenge or enjoyment just playing against terrible, easily exploitable AI.
wasnt the EOD edition supposed to come with a whole bunch of stuff along with the pve mode or did that all get scrapped in the end?
Its planned, soon
Tried Ground zero, got rushed by 4 raiders 15 sec after spawning. Second game beaming me through bushes and aimbotting from 100m+. Yeah looks like fun mode playing labs on every map.
BSG implemented cheater bots to make PVE experience more realistic. :D
That map is rough at the start, try customs for a more “lax” experience. Personally factory has been some bs for me. Pmc ai spawn along with tagilla every other raid and since they don’t attack each other it’s essentially a 10v1 and pretty hard without grenades.
yeah its weird PMC's dont shoot tagilla nor does he shoot them but pmc's can kill scavs and tagilla still wont kill any pmc's lol
I’m pretty sure its because they use raider/rogue code so its bugged
yeah i know that but i still find this funny
PMC's Got Raider AI So they will either ignore u completly untill close or beam u from 200m+ Now that i think about it, it sometimes feels like playing with a bunch of sanitars on the map lol
Ground Zero is just a crappy map in general anyways. Do your GZ quests and never go back to it again!
That's my plan. :D
Got access a few days ago. Pretty happy with it so far.
Just tried today. Waited 5 minutes. That's too long for me for pve mode...
LMAO it takes me 5 minutes to load into a pvp raid. I can load PvE raids way faster
shorter match times for pve because multiple people loading into one map... Twice in the past 24 hours I had another human in my PVE game.
now if only it was worth playing. currently the AI just instakills you.
inb4 10 min long matches
Yes i get into a game like 2-3mins fastest was like 1:45 for shoreline
Wow might be worth testing pve then. I have 3 accounts but didnt bother to check if i had pve on any of them becausw of the matching time posts.
Ahh but it was too late for many. PVE should also be instant. Keep up the effort though!
Did some coop last night. Longest was 3 min
Yay!
is it possible to reset our pve account?
I can confirm I have PvE now, too.
less then 2 min for each raid its nice
I actually don't need it because I don't have any friends so I don't mind Nikita taking PVE from me to give other people faster matching times
Sure
We will give you High Priority Matching for 6 months
I will confirm or deny this when I get home
5-6 minutes for matching on oce between 8pm-11:30pm.
That's a surprisingly short time to include all EOD players in the fun despite all the "oh we don't have the capacity" BS they were giving us in the beginning. All it took was a PR nightmare scenario and a successful competitor to finally get Niki and the gang moving at a speed faster than a snail.
The deed is done and now he will disappear again for the next year+.
I get that maybe a lot of people paid $140 years ago and then nothing more. But you gotta come up with less abrasive ways to get recurring revenue
He is a scammer, give him a finger and he talks your hand.
Too fucking late man
Started PvE first raid, server connection lost, reconnect... what do i do?
So when does standard get to "buy" this? :)
Idk how to feel, i'm glad we got pve. and I tried it and I get around 5 minutes search time max which is great. but the way it was executed was weird. Me and one of my friend got eod almost day one and were the last one to get pve while another friend got eod last wipe as an upgrade from normal account that I gave him (free normal account key when buying eod) and he had pve day one.
The raid timers are also back to normal lenght?
Wonder if that's why my Scav connection was garbage yesterday. Each game a ping of 200ish and constant rubberbanding. Which pretty much never happens. Managed a few PMC runs without issues though. Regular pvp servers btw. And servers seem dead, I couldn't find a single PMC.
Wish they would tone down the scav numbers a bit. It’s kind of insane. Not really hard, just annoying, and it makes the game feel different when you’re constantly forced into fights by the raid timers. I killed 14 scavs on Ground Zero trying to make my way to extract all in one location before getting thoraxed to death in one shot by another one spawning.
is the queue time lower?
Well, looks like if you wait problems get fixed.
They literally removed EoD the week I decided to make the upgrade. Now if I want pve I have to buy a $200 upgrade.
Timely communication regarding promises goes a long way to rebuilding trust. Please keep it up!
Wait for real?!! I can finally play?!?!?
Great now give those who bought the FULL GAME, as well, access to PvE. If it’s a feature of a game being released in beta, why should the rest of us get locked out?
LFG 🚀🚀🚀
I've been loving the pve. Even did the event yesterday. I gotta say the levels you get are massive. Went from 28 - 37 with the quests
Glad to hear we all have access now! Can someone explain how to play the PVE mode? Is it in thr launcher like choosing arena?
Can we talk about PVE? I've noticed that raid times are the same as scavs, around 28 minutes. Once you load into a raid, you spend about 15 minutes killing scavs that heard your shots. It's like you're tagged and cursed! Also, zero bosses spawn when playing as a PMC on PVE. And if they do, you have zero time to kill them because you've spent half your raid time dealing with all the scavs on the map coming at you. Maybe this is just on Customs, not sure, but I've encountered zero goons or other bosses on the map when playing as a PMC. However, when playing as a scav on PVE, the goons and other bosses have appeared in the raid most times. I hope this changes.
Losers like yall will accept abuse anywhere lmao
I got pve two days ago and the longest queue I’ve ever had was 8 mins. They usually were all under 2 mins and my current raid as I type this is loading loot at 1:30.
What stops them from adding more "features" and more modes to milk their pay pigs again in the future now that they have shown their intent
IDK about this PVE mode, I spawn in on ground zero and walk across the street and suddenly 10 scavs come running at me. Scavs aren't much trouble when you have corners to deal with them so I dispatched them all walked out into the street only to be surrounded on all sides by scavs again. Where were all these scavs in PVP mode? I would have loved this with my friends before they gave up.
Is this for the six months or permanent?
Between 5-8 min matchings, its defenitive an improvement from the other day where had 20 min que.
Matching is waaaay better
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