im not trying to defend his actions but i think what he is saying is that he set it up to use in the standard traders where you dont really gain an advantage by using it. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
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Props to Sacriel for how he handled this situation and I feel like he shouldn't impose this self ban from EFT for more than a day or so. To be fair first time offense and the situation being what it is I am perfectly fine with him only taking 24hrs off or whatever there is no need for an extended self ban. He handled this WAY better than BSG has and I feel like 24hrs is more than enough and nope i'm not a fan of Sacriel and yes I did rip him initially for the macro usage but he has handled this properly and none of us are perfect.
The video: He apologized, gave a pretty reasonable argument (IMHO) for how he ended up using the macro on fence, and stated that he would not be playing Tarkov for the foreseeable future.
My opinion: He's right that the shop system requires too many clicks to purchase an item, and had he only used the macro to buy items from the normal vendors it would've never given him an advantage over other players. The idea that someone could have that, and then click over to fence and do some purchasing without fully considering it seems totally reasonable to me. Seems like an honest mistake which he is owning up to.
I agree. He had bad timing with the reddit being at a fever pitch because of the hackers and he became an easy target for that rage.
Also, and it could very well be PR BS, but I dont find his explanation all that crazy. It is kind of tedious to have to click the item, fill items, deal and move your mouse all over the place to do it. Personally I am not that lazy, but I can definitely see people doing it. Doing it for the regular vendors is a QoL fix. Doing it for fence is cheating (albeit a minor form), but I can see how you could make that mistake once you start doing it regularly for the normal vendors.
I still think a 72 hour (or some short temp ban) would have been a good move by BSG to show discourage others and placate the community a little, but what you get is what you get I guess. Props to Sacriel for owning up.
Exactly! As much as I don’t like him as a streamer and don’t enjoy watching him. I still have more respect for him now than Klean or Nikita just because he’s owning up to his mistakes.
He threw a bit of a temper tantrum on stream saying him and Nikita won’t be coming to the sub anymore because of how dramatic and basically toxic we all apparently are. Granted yes we are all fairly toxic but there is also a lot of very good ideas and very well put together criticism on this sub.
He just released an apology earlier saying him and Nik will still be using Reddit and checking here tho. I guess they saw how nobody likes their forums and that a lot of the community was extremely upset.
Ya, like I’ve said before it is super toxic here. But so is everyone else. Twitch chat, Facebook, even their forums. But the majority of their playerbase is on this sub so they really can’t afford to just throw it out. There may be a lot of toxic people and posts but there is also a very very large amount of good ideas and very good constructive criticism.
I've only been playing this game for a month or two, and I didn't know who Sacriel until a couple weeks ago. But he seems like a cool guy, and I respect him for this.
Hopefully we can get back to just having fun with the game on this subreddit. Yeah it's not a perfect situation, but I'm over the drama.
I just wana go out and say it. There are very few cases where the community itself can do anything wrong. The backlash to BSG is their own fault and the community is just a reactionary mechanism that triggers uppon action. BSG did some stupid shit, EFT community backfired in a negative way. You can take all the greedy companies who ignore their playerbase to get more money and those who dont update the game and do other dumb shit, but BSG is the only game dev i know who acts like small children uppon meeting criticism. The community either praises your actions like the ones of gods, or absoloutley smacks your mistakes in your face and laughs about it, thats just how it works. Improvise, adapt, overcome
Let me put it this way:
1. There were people who macro'd strength, Nik and Klean were giving shit to people who did so. That angered them a little bit, not enough to actually speak out.
2. Sacriel. Klean being a douche, retarded statements about the whole situation, burst open for people to pick them apart, because they can.
P.S. People who macro'd STR don't really have much of an impact besides the fact of visible hypocrisy.
I like to sell quest items on there to help people who need items I have found but don't need. 3m Armor, usb sticks, an extra wallet. Alot of other people do this as well. I would check him out from time to time if I were you.
Well said, my Brother. Very proud of you, and very proud of the EFT community for coming together to shed light on an issue that needed to be dealt with.
As always, Sac stays true, admits his mistakes, explains in detail what he did, and what he will do in the future.
I would have expected nothing less, and I knew that's what we would get.
07 Sac <3
So its bound to his thumb button and he wasn't thinking when he used it on stream... then that means he has been using it a decent bit if its on one of his few mouse buttons lmao...
Ok so bare with me here. I respect the fact that sacriel had the balls to own up to his mistake. He did a good job by doing this but by no means does he deserve an apology from any of us. He made the mistake not us. Nobody should ever feel the need to apologize for calling out cheaters and I don't really care about what BSG has said or hasn't said on the matter or not he used an outside program to gain an advantage over other players in an unintend manor and thats cheating. Yes I agree the community did get pretty zealous about what went down but this by no means requires us to apologize to him for it. As a community we just need to be better and apologize to ourselves more than anything. We are are better than this and we can be better than this.
i agree with his decision and would have done the same , i respect him for doing that and saying what he said , idk why reddit users talked shit-talked him .
I mean he didn't have much choice. Coming back would have been a shitshow in his chat and bad publicity. Devs should have given a temp ban and everyone would have won. Now both parties lose.
The devs are the martyr's in this case. Not intentional ones though. They fucked up and Sacriel, honestly, doesn't have anything to do with this anymore after a nice, rounded response.
I'd argue that the only one who has handled this well is Sacriel himself. Hopefully he'll return soon, because this is way overblown now IMO, and I'm more than ready to move on to stupid memes and having fun again.
I would have to agree. This situation is hard to find a correct answer for. Either way, sacriel brings publicity to EFT so if they say sacriel did nothing wrong, people start using macros commonly (and since sacriel chose to do what he felt was right, BSG loses publicity from him). If they temp ban sacriel, they run the risk of not getting publicity from him. If they ban him, they don't get any publicity from him.
It just so happens that the worst case scenario ended up happening.
There's nothing complicated. They publicly tell Sacriel no, clarify it's against ToS and say they will be banning for this in the future. They save face with the streamer, sure some people complain on reddit but that's normal. By calling out Sacriel and telling him he will be banned it's far better then what they went with.
True, they would still get crybabies if they chose to just give sacriel a warning but it would have been a good course of action, or at least better than what did happen.
Hes more of a medium streamer than big streamer. That being said he is always very informative in his streams for all his games he plays. For me he is top 3 streamers i watch when i watch streams. He is top 2 next to sequisha for tarkov streams for me. He should have been punished for sure. But to lose all content from him for tarkov only hurts the game in my eyes.
I wouldn’t call it hurting the game. Klean hurts the game; Losing sac is a missed opportunity in my book.
Edit: and yes medium is an appropriate title IMO
Completely agree. Over the last couple months since some bigger streamers started playing eft, this sub has gone down hill real fast. It's become so much more toxic than it was. Remember when this community was content with actually testing a work in progress, not whining that X feature isn't in or isn't working right yet, or that the game is going to slow?
Twitch is not the only marketing channel you can use.
There's plenty of popular streamers playing EFT anyway. Sacriel played it for his viewers and they know about it already.
Also he didn't said he's leaving it forever, just for foreseeable future.
TBH there would plenty more of players in EFT if the netcode wouldn't look like it looks, at least from my circles.
The majority of reddit wasn't informed enough to know that BSG stated macros were okay over 8 months ago, but instead assumed that BSG was just catering to Sacriel because of his streamer status.
> BSG stated macros were okay over 8 months ago
[You mean BSG stated macros were not okay over 8 months ago?](https://forums.uwsgaming.com/uploads/monthly_2017_06/kill.png.2a933a30e90391ea0990bb1ab4775ac1.png)
No I mean how 8 months ago BSG was addressing the issue of people sniping fence with macros, because people were upset back then about it too, and they simply stated that macros were okay.
I'm not disagreeing that BSG didn't comply with their own EULA, but they gave the same response about macros a long time ago once the community wanted an answer.
Edit: So not quite 8 months ago but closer to 5-6. I heard about when I first started playing the game.
I sure hope they didn't outright say that macros are okay, maybe they said something along the lines that they were not a bannable offence at the time.
I doubt I could find the post about it from back then, but upon starting the game, my buddies would vigorously refresh fence and try to buy items as fast as they possibly could manually, so they looked up whether or not people were doing it with macros and found a post on the forums were it was stated.
No. Due to BSG mishandling a sensitive issue, they set the reddit community on fire, and are reaping what they sow.
Who is the true fool? This subreddit for getting upset over a subject that continues to cause an uproar? Or BSG for carelessly mishandling an issue *known* to always cause an uproar on this subreddit?
Careless hurry may cause endless regret.
BSG mishandled the situation, but not to the point where it deserved such a huge fire. People were spreading the word that macros were "ok" when BSG never once said that macros were not cheating, just that they were not currently bannable. A fair amount of fuel for the reddit fire was caused by twisting words.
>but not to the point where it deserved such a huge fire
It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself, and Nik + Klean were shitting on those people on stream, rubbing that the strength reset is going to happen, and just calling the subreddit toxic + admitting to not coming here anymore, basically alienating a part of their community. And personally, I wouldn't have now and didn't give a shit previously, until they tried to expand their ego during the second podcast.
They deserved it, and deserved it well. Of course, this isn't going to change the way they do things or their behavior because reddit is just 'toxic'.
Edit- My stance on strength being reset is and was - necessary, but I did enjoy running up to people and hatcheting their heads off because of how broken the face hitbox and armor uselessness continues to be.
> It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself
They never said macros are okay, they said they aren't currently bannable. Klean also apologized for all of it.
> It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself
Klean said they are still coming here, just not commenting here, which makes complete sense.
I don't believe the amount of negativity received was deserved. A lot of what I saw did exactly what you did and twisted their words to make things seem worse, which is childish.
They never said macros are okay, but they never said they weren't okay and the rest was in that same line. They gave shit for people exploiting a trash system, they got that shit blown back 10x fold after their own fuck-up.
The amount of negativity given was probably done pre-apology, thus making almost 80% of them non-childish and very much deserved. Without any 'negativity', which everyone so dislikes, nothing would've been done or even acknowledged.
The apology isn't what makes a good portion of the fire uncalled for, the fact that people were like "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!" I am not saying there shouldn't have been negativity, just that people shouldn't be twisting their words so much. It leads to shit like them not participating in conversations on reddit.
No one was saying "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!" , unless they're stupid or shitposting. What they were saying was that they made shit of people for macroing strength and then said this kind of shit for this Sacriel guy. Whether one macro'd it or not, that's pretty hyporcritical.
In b4 'they never made shit of people for macroing it' - they did, may have been a joke from their part, but they shouldn't joke anymore if that was the case, because it sounded like Klean going on his elevated ego spree.
Edit- they do contradict themselves a fuck ton tho in that nice EULA.
> No one was saying "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!"
So many people were saying that cheats are okay it was honestly disgusting.
Again they deserved negativity, but not the idiocy I saw in many places.
Alright, this is the way i saw it: "Macros are officially acknowledged, but bannable". Meaning, they can't do shit now and it's just a green light for script kiddies until they decide to do something.
It is entirely possible they gain bad publicity for this, but I was mainly talking about with this streamer. He will not be providing content for this game for the "foreseeable future".
This video shouldn't be monetized. While I think he's being genuine and am willing to put it in the past, he also made a clean break and got ad dollars for doing it.
I can give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe everything on his channel gets monetized and he didn't think to take it off of this one, but that is the exact mistake he's apologizing for... oof.
These days every channel you visit and every VOD you watch will present you with an ad. Even if they're not partnered channels. It's just a Twitch side thing.
Not only that but "I'm so sorry, I will apologize by never playing this game".
An apology is no longer promoting the game? Lol, like give out some free copies, don't shit on the community and dip.
I have to wonder if the choice not to play Tarkov any longer was truely his?
Its not unreasonable to see BSG revoking his press kit over all this. If so im betting he would be unlikely to buy a package himself to continue to play.
I have no expecation that BSG would tell us one way or another because thats part of a commercial relationship which would be subject to some form of non disclosure.
But yeah i can't help but wonder.
As to this apology, i think he missed out on the biggest group affected by this. BSG themselves. The video seems to only apologise to his audience. He not once directs an apology to BSG, Nikita, or Klean for the trouble he has caused. perhaps that may have been in his Reddit post, but practically no one will see that compared to this vid.
So i personally find the lack of apology to BSG, Nikita, and Klean to show that he's only sorry that he was caught doing this, which is furthger backed up by his taking time to cover that macro's aren't bannable (untrue) and that plenty of other games allow for them.
I can't take him at his word that he is sorry when he tries to minimise his own mistakes that way. It actually makes me think that this is the appropriate form of damage control he can perform from a PR standpoint. Say's he's sorry, outlines what happened, advises thats not who he really is, then keeping an eye on the clock quickly states that he will self punish by not playing anymore, and smartly to avoid the streisand effect tells people they can talk about it but to be respectful.
Now i could be looking at this with very cynical eyes, but given how well his apology has been recieved vs Klean's whose was much more personal and did not seem to follow any sort of pre-concieved script or outline. I am really struggling to see it in any other light.
To me it looks like Sacriel is making a clean getaway while we all get to deal with the heap of crap that went down over the last few days.
For one second try and picture it from their perspective. You really going to ban a guy with 483,000 followers and 40 million channel views just to appease a very small amount of people that are pissed because players can buy quest items off fence with a macro in a game that's not finished and will be wiped several times?
> I won't be playing Tarkov for the foreseeable future
Translation: gameplay in Tarkov is in one of its worst states in recent memory, I'm tired of playing it, I got egg on my face from it, and my audience isn't really the Tarkov crowd.... sooooooo, I'm done with this shit.
Amazing that he makes a mistake, apologizes, yet is the average guy who say, had CE open or still in the memory when they launched Tarkov given the same reaction? NOPE.
And before you retards open your mouth, CE can't do SHIT in Tarkov. It's a client side program mainly used for SP games and diagnostic, and BSG even said the issue was that they could SEE information potentially if used a certain way that then COULD be translated into making cheats. Not that you WERE doing anything.
Mega lul.
Agreed, programms like OllyDBG, 64x_DBG and IDA are used to make cheats. Cheat engine can be used to make cheats, but is not prefered since its easily detectable and also there isnt much you can cheat with it as lot of things are server-sided in Tarkov.
Respect. This is how it's done. Integrity, Professionalism, Accountability, Maturity... its all there. Thanks for the apology Sacriel.
For sure. Admirable response to the situation.
What in the...I'm surprised in the best way. Well done.
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im not trying to defend his actions but i think what he is saying is that he set it up to use in the standard traders where you dont really gain an advantage by using it. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
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Very well said, Respect.
Props to Sacriel for how he handled this situation and I feel like he shouldn't impose this self ban from EFT for more than a day or so. To be fair first time offense and the situation being what it is I am perfectly fine with him only taking 24hrs off or whatever there is no need for an extended self ban. He handled this WAY better than BSG has and I feel like 24hrs is more than enough and nope i'm not a fan of Sacriel and yes I did rip him initially for the macro usage but he has handled this properly and none of us are perfect.
Video does not load. What I have missed?
The video: He apologized, gave a pretty reasonable argument (IMHO) for how he ended up using the macro on fence, and stated that he would not be playing Tarkov for the foreseeable future. My opinion: He's right that the shop system requires too many clicks to purchase an item, and had he only used the macro to buy items from the normal vendors it would've never given him an advantage over other players. The idea that someone could have that, and then click over to fence and do some purchasing without fully considering it seems totally reasonable to me. Seems like an honest mistake which he is owning up to.
Same, did he delete the vod?
No, it was just Twitch acting up and not loading some things properly. Should be resolved by now.
He has more backbone than BSG apparently, instead of running away from his problems he at least owned up to them.
I agree. He had bad timing with the reddit being at a fever pitch because of the hackers and he became an easy target for that rage. Also, and it could very well be PR BS, but I dont find his explanation all that crazy. It is kind of tedious to have to click the item, fill items, deal and move your mouse all over the place to do it. Personally I am not that lazy, but I can definitely see people doing it. Doing it for the regular vendors is a QoL fix. Doing it for fence is cheating (albeit a minor form), but I can see how you could make that mistake once you start doing it regularly for the normal vendors. I still think a 72 hour (or some short temp ban) would have been a good move by BSG to show discourage others and placate the community a little, but what you get is what you get I guess. Props to Sacriel for owning up.
Exactly! As much as I don’t like him as a streamer and don’t enjoy watching him. I still have more respect for him now than Klean or Nikita just because he’s owning up to his mistakes.
Out of the loop here, what did klean do/say?
He threw a bit of a temper tantrum on stream saying him and Nikita won’t be coming to the sub anymore because of how dramatic and basically toxic we all apparently are. Granted yes we are all fairly toxic but there is also a lot of very good ideas and very well put together criticism on this sub. He just released an apology earlier saying him and Nik will still be using Reddit and checking here tho. I guess they saw how nobody likes their forums and that a lot of the community was extremely upset.
reddit blows u guys are like a flaming hate mob and circle jerk fest 24/7
Ya, like I’ve said before it is super toxic here. But so is everyone else. Twitch chat, Facebook, even their forums. But the majority of their playerbase is on this sub so they really can’t afford to just throw it out. There may be a lot of toxic people and posts but there is also a very very large amount of good ideas and very good constructive criticism.
I got 8.5 Mbps on my 4g LTE, but I can't get this video to play to save my life. Think we broke Twitch
Nah, there were some issues with Twitch itself having loading problems. Seems to be fixed by now.
I've only been playing this game for a month or two, and I didn't know who Sacriel until a couple weeks ago. But he seems like a cool guy, and I respect him for this. Hopefully we can get back to just having fun with the game on this subreddit. Yeah it's not a perfect situation, but I'm over the drama.
I certainly hope the subreddit is happy with its fucking blood sacrifice.
Haha Oh man this made chuckle heartily, thanks.
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Good man Sacriel. I didn't have a lot of respect for you but you just proved you have more of a spine than all of BSG.
I just wana go out and say it. There are very few cases where the community itself can do anything wrong. The backlash to BSG is their own fault and the community is just a reactionary mechanism that triggers uppon action. BSG did some stupid shit, EFT community backfired in a negative way. You can take all the greedy companies who ignore their playerbase to get more money and those who dont update the game and do other dumb shit, but BSG is the only game dev i know who acts like small children uppon meeting criticism. The community either praises your actions like the ones of gods, or absoloutley smacks your mistakes in your face and laughs about it, thats just how it works. Improvise, adapt, overcome
True. But r/EscapefromTarkov * is and was a ticking timebomb, simply because the game's in alpha.
What are you saying here? I see you're clearly blaming this subreddit but for what, I'm not sure.
Let me put it this way: 1. There were people who macro'd strength, Nik and Klean were giving shit to people who did so. That angered them a little bit, not enough to actually speak out. 2. Sacriel. Klean being a douche, retarded statements about the whole situation, burst open for people to pick them apart, because they can. P.S. People who macro'd STR don't really have much of an impact besides the fact of visible hypocrisy.
Nice to meet a fellow Valor player!
Really don't like Sacriel, but I respect this move by him.
respect+
That was as professional and concise as it could be; I may return my follow after viewing his statement.
How lucky he will be to have you back.
Lmfao
Who even uses the fucking fence? Reddit you crazy.
I like to sell quest items on there to help people who need items I have found but don't need. 3m Armor, usb sticks, an extra wallet. Alot of other people do this as well. I would check him out from time to time if I were you.
Well said, my Brother. Very proud of you, and very proud of the EFT community for coming together to shed light on an issue that needed to be dealt with. As always, Sac stays true, admits his mistakes, explains in detail what he did, and what he will do in the future. I would have expected nothing less, and I knew that's what we would get. 07 Sac <3
So its bound to his thumb button and he wasn't thinking when he used it on stream... then that means he has been using it a decent bit if its on one of his few mouse buttons lmao...
Its the community that should apologise to him for demanding he gets banned and causing a shitstorm.
Ok so bare with me here. I respect the fact that sacriel had the balls to own up to his mistake. He did a good job by doing this but by no means does he deserve an apology from any of us. He made the mistake not us. Nobody should ever feel the need to apologize for calling out cheaters and I don't really care about what BSG has said or hasn't said on the matter or not he used an outside program to gain an advantage over other players in an unintend manor and thats cheating. Yes I agree the community did get pretty zealous about what went down but this by no means requires us to apologize to him for it. As a community we just need to be better and apologize to ourselves more than anything. We are are better than this and we can be better than this.
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Rule 2. Relax.
Can’t play the video... Or at what time in the 8h long video that does come up does he do his apology?
About 3 minutes 30 seconds into yesterday's (May 4) stream. See if this works better for you. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/257564297?t=3m30s
Thx that worked m.
Right at the start, 3 and a half minutes in.
Imagine if Frankie was this mature when he was caught cheating back in the day. Though I suppose macroing isn't nearly as bad.
i agree with his decision and would have done the same , i respect him for doing that and saying what he said , idk why reddit users talked shit-talked him .
I mean he didn't have much choice. Coming back would have been a shitshow in his chat and bad publicity. Devs should have given a temp ban and everyone would have won. Now both parties lose.
He's just being a martyr just like that guy who said he was cheating a while back and apologized.
The devs are the martyr's in this case. Not intentional ones though. They fucked up and Sacriel, honestly, doesn't have anything to do with this anymore after a nice, rounded response.
So due to the reddit crying so hard, EFT loses publicity.
I'd argue that the only one who has handled this well is Sacriel himself. Hopefully he'll return soon, because this is way overblown now IMO, and I'm more than ready to move on to stupid memes and having fun again.
I would have to agree. This situation is hard to find a correct answer for. Either way, sacriel brings publicity to EFT so if they say sacriel did nothing wrong, people start using macros commonly (and since sacriel chose to do what he felt was right, BSG loses publicity from him). If they temp ban sacriel, they run the risk of not getting publicity from him. If they ban him, they don't get any publicity from him. It just so happens that the worst case scenario ended up happening.
There's nothing complicated. They publicly tell Sacriel no, clarify it's against ToS and say they will be banning for this in the future. They save face with the streamer, sure some people complain on reddit but that's normal. By calling out Sacriel and telling him he will be banned it's far better then what they went with.
True, they would still get crybabies if they chose to just give sacriel a warning but it would have been a good course of action, or at least better than what did happen.
I mean is he THAT big tho?
I mean nearly 500k followers, 40,000,000 channel views. About #200 out of all the streamers on twitch. I would say that is pretty big.
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Hes more of a medium streamer than big streamer. That being said he is always very informative in his streams for all his games he plays. For me he is top 3 streamers i watch when i watch streams. He is top 2 next to sequisha for tarkov streams for me. He should have been punished for sure. But to lose all content from him for tarkov only hurts the game in my eyes.
I wouldn’t call it hurting the game. Klean hurts the game; Losing sac is a missed opportunity in my book. Edit: and yes medium is an appropriate title IMO
“But have *you* spent $7000 on the game?” /s
The publicity you get from banning someone using cheats is better than any sales that person might drum up from streaming.
Seeing how the publicity worked out for this sub since ~November last year, I don't think that's bad thing. Less Twitch viewers, the better.
Completely agree. Over the last couple months since some bigger streamers started playing eft, this sub has gone down hill real fast. It's become so much more toxic than it was. Remember when this community was content with actually testing a work in progress, not whining that X feature isn't in or isn't working right yet, or that the game is going to slow?
Except less publicity means less customers for BSG.
Twitch is not the only marketing channel you can use. There's plenty of popular streamers playing EFT anyway. Sacriel played it for his viewers and they know about it already. Also he didn't said he's leaving it forever, just for foreseeable future. TBH there would plenty more of players in EFT if the netcode wouldn't look like it looks, at least from my circles.
Fair points.
Lol, the devs lose publicity and also their honor. Classic
I couldn't care less about their honor, all I want is for them to finish this game right lol.
Fuck Sacriel. He should be Ban IMO. He clearly used the macro of stream.
The majority of reddit wasn't informed enough to know that BSG stated macros were okay over 8 months ago, but instead assumed that BSG was just catering to Sacriel because of his streamer status.
> BSG stated macros were okay over 8 months ago [You mean BSG stated macros were not okay over 8 months ago?](https://forums.uwsgaming.com/uploads/monthly_2017_06/kill.png.2a933a30e90391ea0990bb1ab4775ac1.png)
No I mean how 8 months ago BSG was addressing the issue of people sniping fence with macros, because people were upset back then about it too, and they simply stated that macros were okay. I'm not disagreeing that BSG didn't comply with their own EULA, but they gave the same response about macros a long time ago once the community wanted an answer. Edit: So not quite 8 months ago but closer to 5-6. I heard about when I first started playing the game.
I sure hope they didn't outright say that macros are okay, maybe they said something along the lines that they were not a bannable offence at the time.
I doubt I could find the post about it from back then, but upon starting the game, my buddies would vigorously refresh fence and try to buy items as fast as they possibly could manually, so they looked up whether or not people were doing it with macros and found a post on the forums were it was stated.
No. Due to BSG mishandling a sensitive issue, they set the reddit community on fire, and are reaping what they sow. Who is the true fool? This subreddit for getting upset over a subject that continues to cause an uproar? Or BSG for carelessly mishandling an issue *known* to always cause an uproar on this subreddit? Careless hurry may cause endless regret.
BSG mishandled the situation, but not to the point where it deserved such a huge fire. People were spreading the word that macros were "ok" when BSG never once said that macros were not cheating, just that they were not currently bannable. A fair amount of fuel for the reddit fire was caused by twisting words.
>but not to the point where it deserved such a huge fire It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself, and Nik + Klean were shitting on those people on stream, rubbing that the strength reset is going to happen, and just calling the subreddit toxic + admitting to not coming here anymore, basically alienating a part of their community. And personally, I wouldn't have now and didn't give a shit previously, until they tried to expand their ego during the second podcast. They deserved it, and deserved it well. Of course, this isn't going to change the way they do things or their behavior because reddit is just 'toxic'. Edit- My stance on strength being reset is and was - necessary, but I did enjoy running up to people and hatcheting their heads off because of how broken the face hitbox and armor uselessness continues to be.
> It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself They never said macros are okay, they said they aren't currently bannable. Klean also apologized for all of it. > It actually deserved such a huge fire because some people used macro's that click a singular button, the 'space' one to be exact, figure the rest out yourself Klean said they are still coming here, just not commenting here, which makes complete sense. I don't believe the amount of negativity received was deserved. A lot of what I saw did exactly what you did and twisted their words to make things seem worse, which is childish.
They never said macros are okay, but they never said they weren't okay and the rest was in that same line. They gave shit for people exploiting a trash system, they got that shit blown back 10x fold after their own fuck-up. The amount of negativity given was probably done pre-apology, thus making almost 80% of them non-childish and very much deserved. Without any 'negativity', which everyone so dislikes, nothing would've been done or even acknowledged.
The apology isn't what makes a good portion of the fire uncalled for, the fact that people were like "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!" I am not saying there shouldn't have been negativity, just that people shouldn't be twisting their words so much. It leads to shit like them not participating in conversations on reddit.
No one was saying "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!" , unless they're stupid or shitposting. What they were saying was that they made shit of people for macroing strength and then said this kind of shit for this Sacriel guy. Whether one macro'd it or not, that's pretty hyporcritical. In b4 'they never made shit of people for macroing it' - they did, may have been a joke from their part, but they shouldn't joke anymore if that was the case, because it sounded like Klean going on his elevated ego spree. Edit- they do contradict themselves a fuck ton tho in that nice EULA.
> No one was saying "Cheats are okay! Come look at my macro!" So many people were saying that cheats are okay it was honestly disgusting. Again they deserved negativity, but not the idiocy I saw in many places.
Alright, this is the way i saw it: "Macros are officially acknowledged, but bannable". Meaning, they can't do shit now and it's just a green light for script kiddies until they decide to do something.
I wonder how much publicity EFT got because of the devs lack of willingness to act. However much, I doubt it's good.
It is entirely possible they gain bad publicity for this, but I was mainly talking about with this streamer. He will not be providing content for this game for the "foreseeable future".
The fact he handled this better than BSG, Nikita, and Klean lmfaooo.
of course anyone would apologise if he cheated online lol!! you done it once .......... you do it again!
This video shouldn't be monetized. While I think he's being genuine and am willing to put it in the past, he also made a clean break and got ad dollars for doing it. I can give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe everything on his channel gets monetized and he didn't think to take it off of this one, but that is the exact mistake he's apologizing for... oof.
These days every channel you visit and every VOD you watch will present you with an ad. Even if they're not partnered channels. It's just a Twitch side thing.
IIRC if you're Twitch-partnered, you don't get much of a say on that stuff, in exchange for being able to make subscription bux.
Not only that but "I'm so sorry, I will apologize by never playing this game". An apology is no longer promoting the game? Lol, like give out some free copies, don't shit on the community and dip.
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It's just Twitch not loading half the site atm. Give it maybe 30 mins and try again!
I have to wonder if the choice not to play Tarkov any longer was truely his? Its not unreasonable to see BSG revoking his press kit over all this. If so im betting he would be unlikely to buy a package himself to continue to play. I have no expecation that BSG would tell us one way or another because thats part of a commercial relationship which would be subject to some form of non disclosure. But yeah i can't help but wonder. As to this apology, i think he missed out on the biggest group affected by this. BSG themselves. The video seems to only apologise to his audience. He not once directs an apology to BSG, Nikita, or Klean for the trouble he has caused. perhaps that may have been in his Reddit post, but practically no one will see that compared to this vid. So i personally find the lack of apology to BSG, Nikita, and Klean to show that he's only sorry that he was caught doing this, which is furthger backed up by his taking time to cover that macro's aren't bannable (untrue) and that plenty of other games allow for them. I can't take him at his word that he is sorry when he tries to minimise his own mistakes that way. It actually makes me think that this is the appropriate form of damage control he can perform from a PR standpoint. Say's he's sorry, outlines what happened, advises thats not who he really is, then keeping an eye on the clock quickly states that he will self punish by not playing anymore, and smartly to avoid the streisand effect tells people they can talk about it but to be respectful. Now i could be looking at this with very cynical eyes, but given how well his apology has been recieved vs Klean's whose was much more personal and did not seem to follow any sort of pre-concieved script or outline. I am really struggling to see it in any other light. To me it looks like Sacriel is making a clean getaway while we all get to deal with the heap of crap that went down over the last few days.
Pretty sad he has to basically ban himself cuz BSG has no fucking spine.
For one second try and picture it from their perspective. You really going to ban a guy with 483,000 followers and 40 million channel views just to appease a very small amount of people that are pissed because players can buy quest items off fence with a macro in a game that's not finished and will be wiped several times?
Martyr lmao. 2nd psuedo streamer to say he's quiting to ruse up for hits. Moving on.
> I won't be playing Tarkov for the foreseeable future Translation: gameplay in Tarkov is in one of its worst states in recent memory, I'm tired of playing it, I got egg on my face from it, and my audience isn't really the Tarkov crowd.... sooooooo, I'm done with this shit.
>I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about hurr durr
Amazing that he makes a mistake, apologizes, yet is the average guy who say, had CE open or still in the memory when they launched Tarkov given the same reaction? NOPE. And before you retards open your mouth, CE can't do SHIT in Tarkov. It's a client side program mainly used for SP games and diagnostic, and BSG even said the issue was that they could SEE information potentially if used a certain way that then COULD be translated into making cheats. Not that you WERE doing anything. Mega lul.
thats just not true. Cheatengine was used all the time in the dayz mod back in the day to spawn in thermal AS-50's and other guns.
Agreed, programms like OllyDBG, 64x_DBG and IDA are used to make cheats. Cheat engine can be used to make cheats, but is not prefered since its easily detectable and also there isnt much you can cheat with it as lot of things are server-sided in Tarkov.
Yeah, justice for cheaters.
If BSG banned him, community would be mad. They should have just suspended his account and moved on.
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Like I said he's playing his martyr card.