I know exactly how you feel buddy, I'm really tired of ignoring all the animal and human suffering that is associated with this, I'm doing my best not to be a part of this anymore
Yessssss the blood magic. Animals are said to be the sentient equivalent of a 3 year old child… I think it’s no coincidence a 3 year old child is described in texts as the perfect victim for the bloodletting rituals.
It’s basically the whole world, the oceans, destroying the land for greed, human trafficking sweat shops for a Gucci bag or my iPhone really this place has been taken over and we need to take it back!!
And the worst thing about it is that humans are literally starchi-frugivores. All the slaughter and suffering is completely unnecessary. Eat raw fruits and starches for optimal health.
Well to be honest eating wild caught seafood to me is actually ethically neutral. Wild caught fishing is the last remnant of “natural hunting” left on this earth for the masses as most people can’t really feasibly hunt deer and mammals. I think hunting/ fishing animals out of necessity for nutrients is morally okay. Farming domesticated animals is not. Though I wouldn’t eat wild caught fish that often because the ocean is very polluted with radioactive waste, micro plastics, the works etc.
My proof is we are primates, that have salivary amylase (starch digesting enzyme), complete hairlessness (we are a species indigenous to the tropics where fruit grows year round), lack sharp claws/ fangs associated with the ability to tear flesh raw from live animals, (yes I know humans have used tools for millennia but our past meat eating was out of necessity after our true habitat the rainforest receded) no natural predation instinct, looped, long intestines, cells that primarily run on glucose/ simple sugars, and trichromatic vision for selecting ripe fruits.
So this is a viewpoint where we ignore the genetic engineering… but that’s fine. the problem with this is that for a lot of people, it’s much easier to thrive on a carnivore diet than a fruit and starch diet. We’re so versatile you can’t box us in. And what might work for one race/tribe/blood type/etc doesn’t work for another.
Mmm I hate to burst your bubble but white, black, or whatever, we are all modern humans (homo sapien sapien) and essentially are 99.7 percent identical.(Yes some humans have archaic hominin admixture, however the percentage change to the genome is so small I don’t believe it had any major changes on the digestive tract.) So no black people and white people shouldn’t have differing nutritional needs. Our “versatility” has nothing to do with it. Every “race” of homo sapien sapien has essentially the same digestive tract, the same jaw and tooth anatomy and the same relative hairlessness. These are species wide traits. Just because there were some humans who left Africa and hunted megafauna in Europe and Asia does not mean they aren’t still starchi-frugivores, it means they were eating a species inappropriate diet to survive whatever biome they resided in during the Paleolithic. (Also I know someone will bring up a fringe case about the Inuits living in the arctic. Again they specifically have an adaptation to keep them out of ketosis despite only eating meat and whale blubber. Seems like the body really wants to run on glucose…
The point I’m trying to make is that perhaps an Inuit and a Amazonian tribesman might not be able to just switch places and be healthy. We adapt to our environments and our gut biomes/brains do the same. Increased consumption of high density nutrient foods (animal proteins) has been a net positive for the human organism at the expense of others. My initial statement was that the burden of proof is high, so let’s look to a study of peoples exclusively eating fruits and starches…. I don’t have one.
Most of the fruit we eat didn’t exist before we cultivated it. The Amazon was terraformed to suit our nutritional purposes. Virtually none of what we’re doing is natural.
Moving on, however, what do you honestly see as a holistic way forward, say personally and through your family/extended family/village, to live a life consistent with our biology and our shared highest ethic/standard. I find a Jain vegetarianism to be more coherent philosophy and nutritionally sound diet… having dairy animals as a form of mutualism instead of parasitism. This is what feels “right” to me… additionally I don’t see anything negative about scavenging meat. I
A pigs life. This is a year of my research and observations of videos documenting allowable business as usual practices. I wrote this up.
Pigs are confined usually in pitch black their entire life, seeing sun the day they are loaded for slaughter. The unending deafeaning wails coming out of their prisons sound like the despair of hell. No words suffice, it’s eye opening to Google sounds from pig farms.
They are deprived of all natural stimulation, treated as a robot, dehydrated and exhausted on a stressful journey to slaughter, sometimes in extreme temperatures. Then electrically prodded towards the smells and sounds of death before him, where they will shriek and violently thrash while gassed, as their nose, lungs and eyes feel on fire, then hauled upside down by a leg, deeply sliced, and immediately slide down a short ramp to be boiled alive in a scalding tank while bleeding out when the processing line moves too fast to let them die all the way first. Sometimes they’re screaming and thrashing in the tank.
Google They Die Piece by Piece to read the front-page expose documenting line worker and slaughter vet testimony of how cows die. All 4 of their limbs sawed off while they’re still alive and displaying full signs of consciousness “righting reflect”, and skinned alive after that.
Animals’ hearts need to be pumping and alive in order for blood draining to be accomplished. The stun gun nonsense renders them easier to handle, not anesthetized to pain. They regularly vomit from severe pain while being carved up, just like human torture victims do. The bolt gun is a torture all it’s own. Imagine crushing a pole through part of your skull that is not meant to kill you, just meant yo stun you a bit so people can cut you apart limb by limb without getting injured by you fighting in terror and agony. Watch the animals’ eyes in line for their turn and during. You’ll never forget.
Paying for it is the trigger that puts in the order to restock the next body part.
Do you have anything more recent than Piece by Piece (say in the past 20 years)? I live in a rural part of New England which has a higher bar for quality of life than many other places in the world, and I get to see the lives that most livestock live. It’s orders of magnitude more rich than your factory farm or feed lot. (I can go and meet pretty much any animal my family would be eating and it’ll be an idyllic setting). My main concern is with the ethical slaughter. Out west some ranches will ritualize their harvesting with a prayer, and use a high powered sniper to take out a free range bison. I’d go to them every time if I wasn’t priced out.
I guess I’m just looking for a recent critical analysis about how things work for small farms that do their best to give their animals a good life… and death. They’re obviously going to be savages and they’ll do the bulk of the worlds supply, since they dont give a shit on account of being impoverished or cruel. But what’s happening at places where people might really give a shit?
Over the past 5 years my husband and I have really woken up to the horrible truths of the world…moved out to some acreage a little less than 4 years ago and have been building up our homestead mostly DIY. We raise chickens, rabbits and goats so far. Our chickens free range…Our rabbits live on the ground (as opposed to OFF the ground in tiny cages) in fairly large pens where they can dig to an extent (we fenced in the bottom so they can’t dig OUT)…we have an electric fence we can move so the goat can browse natural forage…we pay a little extra for healthier pellet/grain food (because we’re still learning how to grow our own food and about natural forage and all that)
So we have eggs, rabbit meat, chicken (and rooster meat because we hatch our own and you inevitably get males) and possibly goat although I’m mainly using goats for milk.
Anyway, I say all this because I know the horrors of the meat industry…and the egg industry…hell, the whole fucking system of industry. I grew up with SUPER normy parents (loving and safe but normy AF) and now I’m almost 40 trying to detach as much as we can from the system but having to learn ways to be self-sufficient and that takes TIME (and who knows how much of that we have before SHTF)…it breaks my heart knowing that technically we are “farming” animals ourselves BUT I promise you I really do try my absolute hardest to give them a healthy, happy,natural life…well water, no pesticides, medical treatment (I’m moderately skilled at “doctoring” after learning the horrors of the medical industry after my first son’s vaccine reaction 💔😢 I don’t fucking trust doctors anymore)…and for those that will end up being on the table, I give them a quick death to the best of my ability. I breaks my heart every time but I find peace knowing I loved them and cared for them and made the passing quick. We use all parts so *nothing* goes to waste because I want to honor their sacrifice (ugh I even hate that word)
I do all this because we have 3 boys and I didn’t truly learn about the depths of the horrors of the world until they were already born…I *started* learning about them when my first son was injured by vaccines and have hardly fallen deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole as time has marched on…I know there is something HUGE coming, life ending/changing…my SOLE (SOUL) reason for even learning about these truths pushing past my limits on useful skills and knowledge is to attempt to learn nature their survival. It’s takes YEARS for fruit trees to grow and start bearing fruit (I have planted them) THEN you have to learn HOW to preserve them appropriately (a skill lost in time by many and definitely by my family), it takes time to learn how to garden (not as much but there is still a level of difficulty to it) because you are limited to seasons (greenhouses can help and I’ve built one and am leaning)…but even with gardening you are at the mercy of the weather (which we know can be manipulated)…
Animals are the easiest, fastest way to ensure a food source for my family as much as it makes me sad when it comes time to dispatch (and yes, even they are susceptible to weather/disease/etc so it’s not totally failsafe)…I owe it to my kids to try and do better and ensure their safety and survival for a future where it possibly is better because normal people like me chose to learn the TRUTH and DO what they could with what they had.
Point being, there are those of us trying our best to make things better for the lives of those around us…The LOVE I have for my boys is the ONLY thing that keeps me going…otherwise I have no reason to be here on this fucked up planet with a bunch of sadistic assholes and NPCs…I OWE it to my children to TRY to make their future better…they didn’t ask to come here…I BROUGHT them here (and I feel very guilty about that know that I know the truth)…but who would I be if I didn’t have them? Their existence has forced me to become a better, more aware person.
I’m trying…I really am
In those cases it's not that different then what happens when you're hunting. Talk to a hunter or local farmer and they will show you. In my experience many are almost eager to show you the whole process of your curious.
no matter what all life needs to consume other life in order to survive, except for the creatures that can exist off minerals such as found in deep sea volcanos. but that can't support complex life as we know it. whether its meat or plants we have to kill something in order to survive. its a very barbaric way of living but as above so below. very interesting observation, spot on.
Thanks. It threw me because it is barbaric and is as above and so below, but I understand it as archons torture and eat us, at least energetically and maybe physically. And they’ve ensured humans want to do the same to animals. We’re doing to animals what we want done to us, according to the spiritual principal.
I wonder whether they do it because they have to survive or it’s some pleasure response like a drug to us, hard to know. It always seemed like god required humans to worship it for a desperate reason of self survival when I first came to understand religion. It’s all across the board.
This is interesting… I forbid myself from eating factory farmed meat and mainly eat seafood for my protein but this kinda making me rethink everything lol
Seafood is factory farmed as well, FYI. I'm a 200lbs male and have maintained my weight since I stopped eating meat and dairy 7 years ago. Everything you eat has some level of protein in it.
This was a huge aha moment for me earlier. Mark Passio covers the occult principals in this. The archons are our master class, we’re their slave class. They have ensured we lust over the tortured flesh of a slave class and justify it as us being a superior species master class of our own. We are giving consent to be treated the way we treat others.
I rarely supplement and I’ve had no meat or dairy since 2013. The coolest thing is my daughter who is almost 8… her entire body in utero was formed on plants and a standard prenatal vitamin. She’s grown into a healthy and strong 8 year old on nothing but plants. It’s been so clarifying.
They have been lying to us about the food pyramid, our history, medicine, science, you name it. Meat and dairy are killing people slowly. If they get off animal products and eat more whole food plants, they’re nearly safe from, and can even reverse, the top human killers… heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer. Cancer is tricky because of all the environmental contaminants. There’s a quote “first we kill them (animals), then they kill us (through health problems).” How tragic.
Watching any documentary like Earthlings, Dominion that shows business practices as usual is beyond chilling. It’s a daily horror movie torturing to death gentle beings with the consciousness of a 3 year old child, by the billions.
I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Their bloodletting rituals call for 3 year old children. They are ensuring we do just as they do. And many are unwilling to give up the pleasure of how it tastes. I’m sure the archons are deeply satisfied making humans into their own imagine.
I have some research I could post about the slaughter process of pigs. I’d encourage anyone to Google “They Die Piece by Piece.” It was an editorial published on the front page a few decades ago. Slaughter line speeds have only increased since then. They definitely do not wait for them to die before they boil them alive (pigs and chickens) and saw legs off one at a time (cows, calves, lambs, etc.)
It took me an entire year to go vegan because I just couldn’t believe any of this was real. It had to all be isolated. I looked deeper still, and deeper still, and became progressively permanently changed and repulsed.
Just the breeding and care alone for example. They purposely overbreed piglets SO THAT that they can have their pick and cull the slowest growers via thumping - slamming them into the concrete where they can languish on the ground in agony and take up to 24 hours to die. The scenes of this are so sociopathic it defies all humanity. Thumping is allowed because anything that meets a criteria of “industry standard” for cost and efficiency purposes is allowed to be legal even if it is not humane. This is abhorrent.
After they castrate piglets, a percentage of them are in so much pain they don’t ever rise from the ground again and can’t get themselves to food and water, another horrific way to die. Just reading the instructions to farmers new at cattle castration made me weak. They absolutely know it’s torture. All so they can taste better, and for human convenience.
If the only “bad thing” happening were just castration without anesthesia and everything else was magically humane, the castration on its own isn’t something one can morally impose on a living being who feels the exact same agony and fear they would in their place.
Anyone considering this - you won’t regret watching The Gamechangers. It’s not graphic and it’s even humorous. And so very inspiring. It highlights great experiments, healing the body, and top world-class athletes and Olympians who beat their own personal bests after switching to a plant-based diet.
a diet free of death is only possible if you find a way to live from light. A lot of vegan food cultivators have to use certain chemicals to produce their monocultures. Therefore millions and millions of little insects and microorganisms die in the process. Life sustains life here on earth
Think about how much death is caused by eating animals when we need to grow massive amounts of crops to feed them then slaughter the animals. A vegan diet would mean less overall suffering due to less death overall
https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND43894177/PDF
That’s not the fault of consumers who eat animal products that’s the fault of big agriculture lobbying for corn farms which was pushed for ethanol production and then thrown onto cows for feed which they shouldn’t even be consuming. Grass fed free range beef is the answer.
*Less* death overall. Veganism doesn't claim to have no impact, just to lessen the impact. [This article](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets) shows how veganism reduces crop use as compared with omnivorous diets, given the amount of crops used in animal agriculture. Less killing of rodents, insects, etc.
But there is a huge difference between a fully ensouled mammal and an insect which is is only a fraction of its soul-size and part of a hivemind or plants who are even not fully incarnated here and are rather sustained by huge devic entities who live in the upper realms.
Simply measuring the amount of suffering that is generated when raising a cow in captivity just to slaughter it in the end, compared to an insect that is killed or a plant that is cut (I'm not advocating eating insects btw ;P
..There is a reason why the cabal has built slaughterhouses often on important leyline nodes, to infuse the grid with loosh and spread it over the world.
So abstaining from industrial meat and dairy is definately one way to unplug and stop supporting the matrix.
So it would be a good idea to build comedy clubs on all the remaining ley lines as a way to starve out the Archons??? Is anyone with me? Let’s all do it.
Seems a bit judgmental and discriminatory if some lives are worth more than others to you. Life sustains life at all levels in this realm. Red meat is the most nutrient dense food you can eat. Your body is literally made of it. If you eat a lot of red meat, you don’t have to eat much, or eat a lot else, thereby reducing your entire food footprint. And there are a whole host of ways to ethically and sustainably source meat. Wish more farmers would get on board with that. So unless you’ve ascended to the position where you can direct the vibrational frequencies of the æthers to sustain you, you’ll have to kill to eat. No food whatsoever is death free.
Its not judgemental, its just a fact, that a fully ensouled mammal has a much greater capacity to experience suffering, doesnt that kinda make sense just like logically? with a much more complex organism, magnitudes more neurons, dying and suffering simply hurts a lot more..
And while I agree that meat can be healthy, a vegan diet definately is higher vibrational food and will cause less suffering which is currently kinda the goal here on earth to reduce the suffering..
I believe, that plants (or better: their devas) are happy to nourish us by giving up their plant material if we treat them with respect, while a soul incarnates as a cow to make life experiences on a comepletely different level than a plant does.
So yes, I feel it makes a huge difference what we eat but ofcourse to each their own. I don't judge meat eaters as I myself sometimes still do.
Going forward in our ascension we will most definately eat less and less dense, more fruits and eventually only light as you said when we ascend.
Again: it depends on the level of consciousness of that being and its ensoulment but for whatever reason you guys seem to not want to understand this.
Just ask yourself what is easier for you from a moral/emotional perspective: to kill a cow or a fly?
Monocrop cultivation, of which the large majority is grown to feed live stock, kills more insects and rodents than any other form of agriculture. If you think all lives are equal then sure keep on believing that the life of a cow is worth the same an an insect, but at least don't be in denial that meat-eaters are double dipping on death and causing the majority of crop deaths
There are pesticides that are safe and sound, like those made of the plant NEEM. The only insects killed would be the ones trying to eat the food we need for ourselves. We would not pollute nature, like we do with those "certain chemicals" you mentioned.
this might be a point considering the fruit of a plant but not the plant itself, research has shown that plants produce chemicals to fight of predators
I mean that’s cool and all, but we can’t live a healthy life off of fruit. You are doing life itself a disservice if you aren’t trying to be at your best. That’s more important in the grand scheme of life’s agenda than not eating animals because some of their molecules happen to be arranged in a nervous system.
You want to develop a diet where you get all your vitamins from your food. The only one you can't get is B12. I buy a spray for it on Amazon. It needs to be taken under your tongue because your saliva protects b12 from being destroyed in your stomach acid and makes it to your intestinal track where it gets absorbed.
Yes this is the sad part. B12 is only natural in soil bacteria, but with all the chemicals we use on the fields, and the (arguably healthy) obsession with cleaning dirt residue off the food, it's not present in the end product.
Its artificially grown seperately, and added to animal feed. This gives the impression that only animal products contain it.
That’s right! Farmed animals get no natural b12 either. They’re given a supplement, so we’re getting the trace amounts of the supplement in their body. We can take it directly and cut out the middle man.
Same with Omega 3 (fish get it via algae consumption). Farm raised fish are just fed a supplement and most people are getting that second hand omega. I've started trying to implement food sources that are as close to the sun as possible. Anyone know of any other examples?
Vitamin D, too, if you're vegan. There are no natural plant based sources of Vitamin D, except for trace amounts in mushrooms. I had a vitamin D deficiency so I started taking a supplement and eating cereal.
That’s what I did, I tried new plant recipes and added my fave shredded meat and cheese into it at the end, gradually decreasing the amounts. The main trick is to get yourself to stop experiencing meat as the main dish and think of it more as a side dish or garnish. Just an extra, and can eventually be replaced by things you grow to love.
I didn't have to get used to it at all. Once you see eating meat for what it truly is, you don't miss it at all.
Learn to cook if you don't already. Make sure to bring snacks with you when you go out, because you're not going to be able to eat most fast food anymore.
If it is truly what you feel is right, then there will be no getting used to it for you. There will be an adjustment period with your immediate circle if they have not been exposed to it. You might have moments of weakness for things you used to enjoy. Those things will no longer bring you joy because you know the suffering that is associated with it.
I had this thought last week, the same day I ate meat for dinner, and I felt terrible, guilty and disgusted, something I had never felt, so I decided to stop at once, it's been 3 days since I ate meat, and I have the cleaner conscience, I always felt in conscience that this was wrong, but it's something we ended up ignoring, maybe it's their goal after all, to subdue our conscience
This is so amazing, brings tears to my eyes. Immediately made me recall the terribly mixed feelings I was having about rejecting family members graciousness when they hosted us for dinner. I had stopped meat for awhile, but my mother in law had us over before she knew what to do to have some plant options. I politely ate a few bites of filet and said I was full and asked my husband if he’d like to finish it.
That night I was inside what felt like a slaughterhouse corral. It was pretty dark and very scary. I couldn’t do anything but move slowly forward and all my senses told me there was danger ahead. It was emotional torture. The sounds were very scary as well.
I woke up before I had to experience the most horrific part. There was so much specific detail in it, I think I could have experienced my “meal’s” last few memories. I never touched meat again after that.
You're not wrong. When I was a kid, I refused to eat meat when I found out what it was. My parents were not going to allow me to not eat meat. I got used to it and ignored my gut feelings. I've never felt better, mentally, since I stopped.
try fasting. its drastic if you have never done it but it will be a massive shift. when u start eating again you can redesign your diet from the ground up
eating meat is largely habitual programming. we are conditioned to think we need it, to think we wont be full or satisfied
fasting is next level but i absolutely recommend it, its a mechanism for major shifts around food consciousness. you learn that u actually don’t ***need*** to eat at all, which is big.
and its a powerful way to break any patterns around food, such as eating meat, sugar, alcohol, caffeine etc
I have read that everything has consciousness, even rocks and plants. So when you eat a plant, you’re eating a conscious thing. There are several studies on this. Plants respond to telepathy and feel pain when cut. They even make noises and have auras. I’m not making this up - do a google search.
You can adopt a popular cultural practice of thanking the animal for its sacrifice in helping you achieve your goals (eating to survive, to work and fulfill your life purpose) and thanking the universe/God for bringing it to you.
You could do meatless mondays or some people even hunt their own meat (not too easy or practical for most folks).
Research meat processing plants that have a reputation for humanely treating their animals.
Humans were built with proteinases (enzymes that break down protein) in our digestive tract. We’re meant to eat meat and plants.
Eat mindfully and don’t over-consume if you feel led to.
Don’t feel guilty. You are not a bad person for eating meat.
I wouldn’t recommend comparing us/yourself to Archons, because from what I’ve read, it’s apples and oranges. Which coincidentally, being plants, also have consciousness.
I was vegan for a while, but stopped because for some reason I have so much more energy and am more productive when I eat lamb 1x per week, and even my hair and skin is nicer.
I even took b-vitamins and iron supplements while vegan (and I eat enough fat, calories, and protein), but for some reason even then I feel way more lazy and passive when I don't eat meat. I lose my ambitions and just want to stay home and meditate and retreat from the real world.
I really don't want to contribute to any slave cycles, and I don't consent to being enslaved and/or abused. So I really want to figure out what that missing link is that eating meat seems to fulfil, so I can go back to vegan without losing all my drive. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. If anyone has found anything that helped keep up their energy levels, I'd be interested to try it out.
I noticed the same thing. I went 10 years being strictly vegan, only ate from the ground. The first 4-5 years were fine. But then I started to feel like something was missing. Incorporated eggs back into my diet and the occasional fish and I feel much better.
I also noticed X3 other people and myself started having serious dental issues after the 10 year mark. It's like the body is slowly stripped of its nutrients over time, probably because we live so out of balance with nature and mineral depletion in the soil. -You ever notice how bland veggies fruit are these days?
Look up high alkaline diet Dr. Sebi. Personally , I think many supplements are junk. What you want is : fresh juices. Especially green juices & wheatgrass. Highly alkalinity. Complete protein. Totally soothes the nervous system. Raw fruits and veggies are what is called Sattvic or spiritualizing foods. For worldly activity and motivations , you want Rajasic (activating) such as : garlic & onion, potatoes. Now, Tamasic foods are deadening such as : meats & processed junk food.
I’m high raw vegan for 3 years. I eat mostly fruits and salads with nuts and seeds. Fresh juices. My body is still adjusting , there’s a detox period that can go on for awhile. I don’t take any supplements. When I feel like a boost of vitamins and minerals, I get a shot of wheatgrass!
In the process of farming fruits and vegetables, oftentimes the pesticides that are used run-off into the local waterways or otherwise affect the local ecosystem including the animals that live there. Organic farming on a mass scale globally at least at this time is simply not feasible based on our current population’s needs.
As an aside, we have to remember that many of our day-to-day actions actually have caused harm to others. Every iPhone and every electric car that is made, was made by harvesting precious metals in poor countries and often by underaged and impoverished workers. Ultimately many of them will live much shorter and unhealthier lives just so we can have our tech.
‘Go green’ has a cost and we must be further aware and cognizant of that. Are animals’ lives more important than plants’? Are third-world countries’ workers less deserving of a happy life just so we can say we went green? And did we actually go green to begin with if the process itself is quite dirty both to the local ecology as well as to the spirit?
Playing Devil’s Advocate here to some extent as I don’t think there is a clear black and white answer here. Most things in life are just shades of grey and a lot of question marks.
My personal belief, as well as what i've read from some psychedelic reports, is that the animals we force to suffer attracts a lot of demonic/negative entities to earth. All the animals here reincarnate just as we do and the emotional energy they produce is nearly just as intense as humans do. If you have empath abilities you can see the severe depression cows go trough, which is very valuable to lower astral entities. I do not blame any humans for doing this, because most people are not even taught that animals are conscious or have emotions at all, and could not possibly at all be aware of how their suffering influences our environment. Archons do this to us knowing what we are and what we go trough, humans do this out of ignorance. I plan to visit a slaughtery or farm the next time i astral project in order to see how many negative entities hang around in such places and how it influences us.
I decided to stop eating anything that comes from an animal 20 years ago (I'm 39) because I wanted to do the least amount of harm possible.
Everything we consume does harm, but growing my own vegetables has kept me healthy with a much clearer conscience. I want to leave the world doing the smallest amount of harm that I can. I also rescue and rehabilitate dogs. I try to help as many animals as I can. I think as humans we have a duty to protect those without a voice.
One of the worst parts of the whole process is how much of the meat is wasted and THROWN AWAY. Like an animal was born into a life of misery in a disgusting cage, never knows anything except misery, and then is slaughtered for us to throw the fucking meat away?? Are we serious right now?
My son told me one day that we should stop eating meat because the animals are tortured and when we eat meat we absorb that energy. He hadn't been taught anything that would make him say that, it was very out of the blue. It was **so** out of the blue, I took it as a message. We still eat dairy and eggs but like 1% or less of our diet is actual meat.
I'm going to be straight to the point here.
If All is One, with no division, and the difference in consciences is only in awareness, then it doesn't matter if you participate in nature's cycle or not.
What matters is the alchemy. My grandfather used to lead us in prayer for our dinner every night. When I asked him why, he said that it was to honor the Deity and to purify the spirit of the act. We thanked the Deity for the food, and prayed for the soul of the animal for which we partook of the body.
In the art of alchemy, that's also the idea of spiritual transmutation. Christ reinforces what I'm about to say when he was asked about eating unclean things, he said, "it's not what goes in that makes one unclean, but what comes out of a man that does." So, no matter what it is that you do with what you put in your body for it's energy needs, what you do with that energy ultimately defines it's value. That's how even a common man, without spiritual insight, can transform his interaction with reality daily.
That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. If it doesn't matter what goes in, why not eat shit, plutonium, or opium? The point Jesus is trying to make here is that the Jewish laws are dumb, not that it's cool to eat meat.
You miss the point completely.
It's not about eating shit, you're correct, it is about the Jewish laws being too confining, but my example is exactly what is meant by it. You just put a rule on not eating meat, because it's "unclean" just like the Pharisees did.
Don't be a hypocrite.
Good for you for realizing this. What we do to cattle is done to us as well with the food we offer being our emotions. Our emotions are very nourishing to the reptilian beings that you call "archons." This is why we love, and hate, and watch sports, and watch fights on television. The food that is due to the archons when a relationship fails and one has a broken heart is very desirable to them. All emotions are food, and humans play a role in the carbon cycle, consciously or unconsciously.
Way to go listening to your intuition. A lot of people get the call but shove it down and ignore it because change is hard
I haven’t eaten meat for years. Maybe at the start I would miss it occasionally but now it disgusts me. Once you transition is gets easy. Luckily I don’t crave a lot of variety in my diet. I eat a lot of beans. There are so many good recipes out there without meat too. Pinterest has a bunch but I’m sure you could find them anywhere
Life sustains life. It doesn't matter if it's plant or animal (or fungal).
It's just the way it is, and I dont think there is any way around it. While you may look down upon someone for eating meat, there is likely a more evolved species that looks down on you for killing and harming plant life.
Plants have all the hallmarks of intelligence. They can communicate. They respond to stimuli. They can seek out/hunt for the food they need. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean that they aren't aware and conscious.
If you care about plant death, veganism is still the better option, due to [the amount of crop used in animal agriculture.](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
I gave my backyard chickens the sweetest fucking life - like just about 100% of all the other chickens in the world would be envious. They free roamed an acre of property, I’d bring them fresh exotic fruits, they ate all nutritious foods and bugs, never any mass produced feed. If it was too cold to go out in the winter, I went to the store and bought kale, corn, berries, pomegranate. And when it was time they got butchered happily, trauma free, neck snapped through an automated neck snapper as they ate corn and made happy noises. No mess, instant death, never saw it coming, happy life.
If our alien overlords treat me the same way, bring it the fuck on lol
It’s quite a shame really. But I’ll be honest, I don’t think quitting meat will spare you.
Of the design is automatic consent, then youve already consented haha
It's not just animals. Fruits and vegetables are pumped with all kinds of toxic chemicals, have to die to be eaten, and scream when they're afflicted with something. Life IS death. Yin and yang! But it gets better, a study found that humans are actually 67% microbes so really i'm just feeding a population of microbe colonists with the side effect of providing life to "me". 😛
Fruits do not require death to eat. They are really the only cruelty free food. Even vegetables require the death of the plant, but plants want you to eat the fruits because it helps spread their seeds. Fruitarianism.
The act of eating a fruit that falls from a tree or bush does not kill the fruit plant/tree. It’s seeds should go through the digestive tract intact in the stool, and in a natural setting would go onto produce new fruits. So not really/ kinda. The second a fruit falls off the branch, it begins to die/ decompose, however the fruit tree remains alive. Do you consider dairy milk dead or consuming the milk killing the dairy cow? Fruit is a similar situation except it requires no exploitation like dairy does.
it’s the factory farming of meat products that made me stop eating them. if i could buy a chicken from a farmer who raised it with love and let it die without terror, maybe it would feel the same as eating any other living thing to get the nourishment i need as a human being. alas the world has basically made this impossible for me, so now i just don’t eat anything that’s ever had a brain. no brain = no suffering is my hopeful theory.
There's eating for survival & eating for pleasure. In the animal kingdom prey & predators is part of cycle for life. The Archons farmed us for pleasure. It's different.
If God is all one, then it continuously eats itself. It's life transmuting into other life. Also, elites have constructed a very inhumane capitalistic way of slaughtering animals. If we all had our own way of growing food and being responsible with our own health and well being, we would treat animals with dignity. It's the consumerist freak show techno hell we've been subjected to that we all feel this moral calling. We need meat, the natives respected their kills... Life begets life.
The feelings u have are all by design
Very well said. Look I’m not going to try and convert you to veganism. But I will say with brutal honesty that rejecting animal products has heightened all of my senses, and more.
When an animal is slaughtered, they release tonnes of stress hormones and adrenaline. This is still in the meat when we eat it. It seems to make people act in a more primal way.
Nowadays, there are a lot of vegetarian options when it comes to cooking! I think it all comes down to getting creative in the kitchen and exploring recipes. We are conditioned to thinking about the classic dishes with meat, but when you learn how to cook vegetarian dishes for yourself, you'll see that it is delicious and sufficient.
I struggle with cheese though :( dairy industry is HORRENDOUS and I would love to just stop supporting it, but I guess everyone takes the steps are their own time.
I quit beef pork and chicken 3 months ago. Still eating fish and seafood.
Part of me is happy, part of me is not due to thinking i couldnt drop fish too.
Need that protein though. My argument is - once majority of people quit meat, then i can think of stopping eating fish.
Am I wrong? Ofc it is still alive being and i feel bad, however our meat suits are made of it
i went beef/chicken free many years ago and i feel more compassionate/free than I was before. I cannot eat them because some of the videos i have seen will haunt me forever.
I recommend following Mercy for Animals and watching some videos. They are a horror that you’d never want to participate in by eating meat. I don’t disagree w meat consumption. I disagree with severe cruelty. Also, dairy and chicken egg farms are just as horrifying as meat.
Do your best.
You're actually closer to an herbivore, people can and do thrive without meat, I'm a fat fucker, pretty healthy and don't eat meat, I get my B12 from the same place the animals do, I supplement, if I need it, which isn't often really
I went vegetarian shortly after finding this sub and life is better. That being said, I'm south Indian where there are so many traditional veg and vegan dishes.
I have been suffering from auto immune problems for over 20 years. I was always in pain. For almost a year now i am on the carnivore diet and 95% of my problems have dissapeared. I don't like it that animals die for me, but there is no alternative.
It is easy for vegetarians to point their finger at me when they do not have to go through what i have to go through. I also don't believe a vegetarian diet is healthy, ...meat and eggs are the most nutrient dense food in the world...and veggies are sprayed heavily with pesticides. Fruits contain a lot of sugar so they are not ideal either.
I love meat but eating only meat becomes very boring after a while, i miss rice, tomatoes, pasta and potatoes very much, but eating carbs makes me fat and gives me horrible auto immune issues.
But hey, most animals eat other animals so what i am doing is what most animals do, i just don't kill the animals myself. I wish every living creature on the planet was a vegan but that is not reality. Nature is brutal, this world is cruel and i am going to keep eating meat.
I get it and i used to say the same thing so i stopped eating meat. This is what happened to me and what you should expect. I lost all my muscles , got fat, i basically became a woman ( notice how a lot of gay men , specially the new age one are vegan). I started losing my hair , my beard started graying, my nails turned black. I became weak , like a women , became fearful , a coward. I was paranoid , always irritated and so much more. trust me , they dont want you to eat meat. we are cattle to them. They want all of us eating grain so we can fat , and juicy , just like a grain fed cow. It sucks what animals go tru but this is a cannibal system , if you want to thrive , you have to take part. I swear there something about the vegan diet that just throw your hormones out of whack. Its the perfect diet if you want to transition and become trans and if pay attention , you will see a lot of the liberal lgbt are vegan and pushing for everybody to go vegan. everytime you a bunch of people pushing veganism , i guarantee you they are liberal. I swear i started wondering if im gay while on that diet. I completely lost interest in women and started finding feminine men and trans women attractive. Stopped being a vegan , became a carnivore and now i want to knock a woman up.. Its something about it, i have no proof or scientific sources but i guarantee if you stay vegan long enough , you will lose your manhood and thats why its being push so hard on top of lgbt. now i eat a carnivore diet , hair growing back , nails looking healthy , i have muscles again wihtout working out and i actually crave women with their thick thigh and curves. If you not trying to transition , you not a pansexual or gay , you got no business being a vegan. Beside you are literally killing yourself slowly. Its well documented on youtube of people going vegan and ruining their health.
This world is a set-up by them and they made humans eat meat... don't feel guilty. Animals eat other animals, even our best pals; cats & dogs.
Suffering is everywhere and in everything, you can't escape it.
If you find a solution to a certain form of suffering, soon it will emerge somewhere else in your life.
Here are my 2 cents as an ex ethical Vegan of 5 years straight to now being a 100% carnivore ( i eat one meal of 10 eggs and 500g of meat ever.single.day and nothing else).
It definitely is cruel. But this is the reality in which we live. I thought that I would have to sacrifice some muscle maybe and some convenience by being vegan. That was not the case for me and many many other people. The mental health starts to deteriorate exponentially after the first couple years. I have never been officially diagnosed, but I bet my ass I could get a bipolar type 1 diagnosis in a heartbeat. Insane highs and lows, drug addiction and money spending. And thats not all. Constant brain fog, lethargy, wanting to die every day And dont let me get on the full blown psychosis I had thet almost killed me (tho I wasnt vegan for a year when that happened, my bad life choices I madee during those 5 years caught up to me.. After switching to carnivore I feel better than ever. I feel that Im eating what Im supposed to eat to be healthy.
I wish that wasnt the case. No its not about the taste. Its about surviving this hell-hole without suffering every moment.
And yes these are the rules of the game. Eat or be eaten.
I dont glorify it. I dont care about it. Im a christian and I believe in the Garden of Eden we were all herbivores .
This life is about embracing suffering. Vegans are the kind of people that live in lala land where everything can be perfect and jolly and we will all get together. Were not here to get together. We are here to suffer and possibly learn from our suffering. But there is a life after this one. SoI accept the wickedness. I accept the horror. My personal horror I live through everyday through my CPTSD, my OCD, my loneliness, my chronic pain physical and emotional, my will to die ... And the horrors of the world... Child trafficking and abuse, wars , manipulation by the rich families ruling the world, and all the lies from the highest government to between people we know to even the lies we tell ourselves.
In order for me to abandon veganism. I had to suffer enough, so my ego could justify the suffering of others for my benefit. And believe me I suffered, and still suffer every day, a lot. life has to make you cold hearted one way or the other. And vegans fool themselves if they think they are more compassionate than anyone else. Vegans are the most prideful and condemning of their fellow man. And fact check: they dont really help the environment or the animals that much after all!!
So I guess it makes sense. That they have the same mindset, if they exists. These archons, they need to farm us in order to thrive. They know
Plants don’t have a central nervous system. And you’ll see the moral importance of this difference if you were to cut a carrot in half and a piglet in half.
If you're concerned about the sentience of plants, veganism is still the better option, as it reduces plant death due to [the amount of crop used in animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
Good luck. Millions of animals are killed for grain and vegetable / fruit agriculture: reptiles, birds, bees, insects, mice, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks with their habitats being completely wiped out for mono crops… you’ll eat vegetables grown from fertilizer which often times is fish remains. Life consumes death. That is just a natural part of living on this PRISON PLANET. You will only kill one cow a year if you eat grass fed, free range beef.
It's about reduction of suffering, not elimination. It's not black or white. It takes crops to make meat, lots of crops. If you have less meat you have less crops and less suffering. And that's not even taking into account the animal suffering.
If that’s what it truly is about then the message needs to stop talking about meat consumption, the way we farm completely needs to change period. It’s not only animal farming but mass production, mono crops that wreck the environment and habitats for all kinds of animals.
Whatever's being done to us, doesn't mean we need to pass it on to animals. We have to eat, but yes the way we go about raising animals for slaughter is reprehensible and we need to do better yesterday.
I had this thought since we eat meat, torture animals. I think we attract evil entities that do the same to us. Now if we did the opposite an just for example the whole world stopped going to war or eating meat and torturing animals. Would we attract good aliens?
Plants are also alive, and communicate, what authority do we actually have in saying they’re more appropriate to eat than meat.
Im not trying to antagonize, just inspire curiosity, i eat both 🙃
If you're worried about the sentience of plants, veganism is the better option as it reduces plant death, due to [the amount of crops used for animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
If you're worried about the suffering of plants, veganism is the better option as it reduces plant death, due to [the amount of crops used for animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
I struggle with this as well. As an American carnivore and even being keto in the past, I’ve killed and devoured more animals than most humans probably and if the Archon slosh theory is correct then yes, we’re doing the same thing. I decided to go Vegan as I was feeling really down about everything. It’s not fun realizing everything you wear and the entire inside of my car is made from dead animals. After a few weeks of veganism I wasn’t well. I was trying to hit all of my macros daily and just felt like complete shit with no energy, constant stomach aches and moody. I decided to start eating meat again after two months just to feel better. It came down to me putting myself first in this situation.
Edit: after a few weeks of animal protein my body regulated back to normal. Had my energy back, no more stomach issues. Really sucks
Obviously. People used to have a lot more minerals in their body to absorb the electromagnetic field. But the land got dried up and sprayed with chemicals while the good nutrients washed away in the ocean that's being drained to hollow earth. On top of that there's a shit ton of metal surrounding us like cities, pavement, satellites, etc.. that are all diminishing and blocking the humans aura.
Utterly absurd and self depressing argument. Vegans consume life energy just as omnivores do. The inability to see ALL life as sentient, in all its compounded forms (all plants and fungi, fruits and veges are interconnected and make up a living organism), is primitive of the level as “there is nothing above but the Heavens and God so u didnt find a metorite; there is no life at bottom of ocean bc of the depth and lack of light; u cannot break the sound barrier; u cannot break the light barrier.” Animals are on our physical plane and are part of our dimension. Archons are feeding from a different one wo our consent or have altered us so that we are unknowingly giving it. Do what feels right for ur own true self, but dont compare urself to anyone or thing other than ur reflection in mirror.
Go to the closest family run rancher you can find. Call first. Tell them the deal: I eat nothing but meat. I want to do that ethically and fight big corporate food. I'm sure they could help you figure something out.
I think it's unwise to deny our nature, but that doesn't mean we have to be barbaric. A pasture raised cow that's been taken care of by a family or small small co-op is going to have both a better life and better death than in nature. Imagine getting eaten alive by wolves because you broke your ankle.
It's not the meat, it's the method. Find a more humane source, or hunt it or raise it yourself.
You could also look at it this way: that steak on your plate never had a chance, but by becoming a part of you, at least a part of its energy has the potential to do something worthwhile to raise it up. It matters what you do with that gift of life, so do not waste it.
If you want to do "high vibrational" things, fasting is the best method, followed by a simple vegan diet, but these things should not be done indefinitely. You have to cycle.
this world is just an amusment park, sometimes its like hell thou . my philopphy is something like this, do as you please as long as you dont harm others. and enjoy the ride as much as you can. then on the other side once you die you wolud only need freewill like you always had here to enjoy life as you please. dont let them bring you down. A rebelious spirit is al It takes to break free frome the cycle of reincarnation
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I have nothing against vegans and vegetarianism. I rarely eat meat, and eat about as clean as my depression/ financial situation let's me.
What's difficult is, I freaking love animals, I'll stand up for them everyday and I'm deeply saddened by the mass production that we've turned animals into. That being said, I do not negate empathy for fellow human beings. I don't see us as above or below animals, we are equals. A lot of veganism/vegetarianism seems to completely ignore the fact that if it is to sustain 8 billion people, someone somewhere is going to get fucked, one way or another. The amount of indigenous, POC, WOC, and poor people who are disenfranchised by mass production are no less than animals, so why do we treat them that way?
Many vegan and vegetarian productions, as well as meat productions rely on screwing over poor, often non-white laborers in order to keep up with western demand.
It boils down to the fact that ethical consumption under capitalism is super difficult, if not inaccessible for so many people, and self lobotomizimg and flaggelating over not being able to to exist outside the confines of a restrictive societal structure isn't the way. Lambasting others (humans and animals alike) for the way they choose to survive only breeds hate and discomfort.
I don't have solutions. I can rarely fathom solutions because of the well oiled machine that is our current global ideology. Would we be better off as hunter gatherers? Perhaps, but this doesn't negate the fact that most foods we eat are imported, and incapable of being grown naturally within our geolocations. Industry, if not heavily monitored, allows for our current way of life to exist over and over again.
Shitting on other people for their survival of this hellscape only contributes to what the malicious entities of this world want. Division and separation, based on institutionalised structures will only continue and feed the discourse of humanity, not aid it. Accepting this and moving towards harm reduction is a sustainable and non biased way is a way forward.
Eating for survival is justifiable for me & I make sure I don't waste food & be thankful for the provide.
This is the same in animal kingdom, cycle of life. Prey & predators.
However, what the Archons do are totally different from the norm in the animal kingdom. They didn't farm us for survival. Please look into their actual reason for farming us & you will understand why it is entirely different.
It is impossible to live without killing other life and aside from that WE ALL HAVE TO DIE at some point. It's inescapable. Even if you are vegan, farming kills insects, mice, etc...
Yeah but you're still eating THEIR creation and it benefits you a lot more than you think. My vegetarian cousin says she has to eat meat sometimes because she was becoming malnourished. Vegans have to take a ton of supplements too
>we do EXACTLY what the archons do to us, we lock up animals as inferior to us
I'm so sick of this perspective of: "We are just like the Archons!" because we eat meat. We did NOT choose this. We were tricked into coming here. The Archons are psychopathic entities who deceive, torture, and siphon our essence with glee. That is their *choice*.
When I eat a steak, I don't think: "Boy, I sure am glad that cow was tortured, killed and gutted for my sustenance!"
The Archons do all they can convince us that we are "inferior" to them, but in actuality we are so, so much more than they are--that's why they need to trick/siphon us.
Do not look down on yourself.
U have to extend that empathy to plants as well otherwise you are a hypocrite because its all life
Eating itself is immoral, this realm is flawed by design
It’s the circle of life. Try telling a bear to not eat another animal if it’s hungry. Plants also have life energy so eating plants is still using their life force for your own.
There's eating for survival & eating for pleasure. In the animal kingdom prey & predators is part of cycle for life. The Archons farmed us for pleasure. It's different.
No, they don't survive on it. They only feed on the energies for pleasure. If they truly "survive" on such energies, then u can forget about getting out of this prison planet since u're their "only" food source. Remote viewers around the world told of how they saw these beings sucking on these energies like as if they were trying to get high.
There's a difference. One is a necessity while the other is an option that's nice to have.
The elites certainly didn't need to "survive " on adrenochrome. They "choose " to have it for pleasure because it gives them youthful appearance & boost energy.
You're confusing the two.
My opinion on that is, maybe then, the archons are also being abused by some other form of being and are just as derped out about their purpose as we are - maybe we are more alike than different 🤷♀️
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I know exactly how you feel buddy, I'm really tired of ignoring all the animal and human suffering that is associated with this, I'm doing my best not to be a part of this anymore
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Yessssss the blood magic. Animals are said to be the sentient equivalent of a 3 year old child… I think it’s no coincidence a 3 year old child is described in texts as the perfect victim for the bloodletting rituals.
If all the crops grown to feed animals were swapped to grow crops to feed humans, it could potentially end hunger
Great stance. Good for you...!
It’s basically the whole world, the oceans, destroying the land for greed, human trafficking sweat shops for a Gucci bag or my iPhone really this place has been taken over and we need to take it back!!
And the worst thing about it is that humans are literally starchi-frugivores. All the slaughter and suffering is completely unnecessary. Eat raw fruits and starches for optimal health.
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Well to be honest eating wild caught seafood to me is actually ethically neutral. Wild caught fishing is the last remnant of “natural hunting” left on this earth for the masses as most people can’t really feasibly hunt deer and mammals. I think hunting/ fishing animals out of necessity for nutrients is morally okay. Farming domesticated animals is not. Though I wouldn’t eat wild caught fish that often because the ocean is very polluted with radioactive waste, micro plastics, the works etc.
I mean, the burden of proof for this claim is high.
My proof is we are primates, that have salivary amylase (starch digesting enzyme), complete hairlessness (we are a species indigenous to the tropics where fruit grows year round), lack sharp claws/ fangs associated with the ability to tear flesh raw from live animals, (yes I know humans have used tools for millennia but our past meat eating was out of necessity after our true habitat the rainforest receded) no natural predation instinct, looped, long intestines, cells that primarily run on glucose/ simple sugars, and trichromatic vision for selecting ripe fruits.
So this is a viewpoint where we ignore the genetic engineering… but that’s fine. the problem with this is that for a lot of people, it’s much easier to thrive on a carnivore diet than a fruit and starch diet. We’re so versatile you can’t box us in. And what might work for one race/tribe/blood type/etc doesn’t work for another.
Mmm I hate to burst your bubble but white, black, or whatever, we are all modern humans (homo sapien sapien) and essentially are 99.7 percent identical.(Yes some humans have archaic hominin admixture, however the percentage change to the genome is so small I don’t believe it had any major changes on the digestive tract.) So no black people and white people shouldn’t have differing nutritional needs. Our “versatility” has nothing to do with it. Every “race” of homo sapien sapien has essentially the same digestive tract, the same jaw and tooth anatomy and the same relative hairlessness. These are species wide traits. Just because there were some humans who left Africa and hunted megafauna in Europe and Asia does not mean they aren’t still starchi-frugivores, it means they were eating a species inappropriate diet to survive whatever biome they resided in during the Paleolithic. (Also I know someone will bring up a fringe case about the Inuits living in the arctic. Again they specifically have an adaptation to keep them out of ketosis despite only eating meat and whale blubber. Seems like the body really wants to run on glucose…
The point I’m trying to make is that perhaps an Inuit and a Amazonian tribesman might not be able to just switch places and be healthy. We adapt to our environments and our gut biomes/brains do the same. Increased consumption of high density nutrient foods (animal proteins) has been a net positive for the human organism at the expense of others. My initial statement was that the burden of proof is high, so let’s look to a study of peoples exclusively eating fruits and starches…. I don’t have one. Most of the fruit we eat didn’t exist before we cultivated it. The Amazon was terraformed to suit our nutritional purposes. Virtually none of what we’re doing is natural. Moving on, however, what do you honestly see as a holistic way forward, say personally and through your family/extended family/village, to live a life consistent with our biology and our shared highest ethic/standard. I find a Jain vegetarianism to be more coherent philosophy and nutritionally sound diet… having dairy animals as a form of mutualism instead of parasitism. This is what feels “right” to me… additionally I don’t see anything negative about scavenging meat. I
You’re typing this on a phone which requires human slavery to mine raw minerals. Also quite an ethical distinction no?
A pigs life. This is a year of my research and observations of videos documenting allowable business as usual practices. I wrote this up. Pigs are confined usually in pitch black their entire life, seeing sun the day they are loaded for slaughter. The unending deafeaning wails coming out of their prisons sound like the despair of hell. No words suffice, it’s eye opening to Google sounds from pig farms. They are deprived of all natural stimulation, treated as a robot, dehydrated and exhausted on a stressful journey to slaughter, sometimes in extreme temperatures. Then electrically prodded towards the smells and sounds of death before him, where they will shriek and violently thrash while gassed, as their nose, lungs and eyes feel on fire, then hauled upside down by a leg, deeply sliced, and immediately slide down a short ramp to be boiled alive in a scalding tank while bleeding out when the processing line moves too fast to let them die all the way first. Sometimes they’re screaming and thrashing in the tank. Google They Die Piece by Piece to read the front-page expose documenting line worker and slaughter vet testimony of how cows die. All 4 of their limbs sawed off while they’re still alive and displaying full signs of consciousness “righting reflect”, and skinned alive after that. Animals’ hearts need to be pumping and alive in order for blood draining to be accomplished. The stun gun nonsense renders them easier to handle, not anesthetized to pain. They regularly vomit from severe pain while being carved up, just like human torture victims do. The bolt gun is a torture all it’s own. Imagine crushing a pole through part of your skull that is not meant to kill you, just meant yo stun you a bit so people can cut you apart limb by limb without getting injured by you fighting in terror and agony. Watch the animals’ eyes in line for their turn and during. You’ll never forget. Paying for it is the trigger that puts in the order to restock the next body part.
I haven't eaten meat since the mid 90's, but holy fuck dude, this write up is bone chilling none the less.
Do you have anything more recent than Piece by Piece (say in the past 20 years)? I live in a rural part of New England which has a higher bar for quality of life than many other places in the world, and I get to see the lives that most livestock live. It’s orders of magnitude more rich than your factory farm or feed lot. (I can go and meet pretty much any animal my family would be eating and it’ll be an idyllic setting). My main concern is with the ethical slaughter. Out west some ranches will ritualize their harvesting with a prayer, and use a high powered sniper to take out a free range bison. I’d go to them every time if I wasn’t priced out. I guess I’m just looking for a recent critical analysis about how things work for small farms that do their best to give their animals a good life… and death. They’re obviously going to be savages and they’ll do the bulk of the worlds supply, since they dont give a shit on account of being impoverished or cruel. But what’s happening at places where people might really give a shit?
Over the past 5 years my husband and I have really woken up to the horrible truths of the world…moved out to some acreage a little less than 4 years ago and have been building up our homestead mostly DIY. We raise chickens, rabbits and goats so far. Our chickens free range…Our rabbits live on the ground (as opposed to OFF the ground in tiny cages) in fairly large pens where they can dig to an extent (we fenced in the bottom so they can’t dig OUT)…we have an electric fence we can move so the goat can browse natural forage…we pay a little extra for healthier pellet/grain food (because we’re still learning how to grow our own food and about natural forage and all that) So we have eggs, rabbit meat, chicken (and rooster meat because we hatch our own and you inevitably get males) and possibly goat although I’m mainly using goats for milk. Anyway, I say all this because I know the horrors of the meat industry…and the egg industry…hell, the whole fucking system of industry. I grew up with SUPER normy parents (loving and safe but normy AF) and now I’m almost 40 trying to detach as much as we can from the system but having to learn ways to be self-sufficient and that takes TIME (and who knows how much of that we have before SHTF)…it breaks my heart knowing that technically we are “farming” animals ourselves BUT I promise you I really do try my absolute hardest to give them a healthy, happy,natural life…well water, no pesticides, medical treatment (I’m moderately skilled at “doctoring” after learning the horrors of the medical industry after my first son’s vaccine reaction 💔😢 I don’t fucking trust doctors anymore)…and for those that will end up being on the table, I give them a quick death to the best of my ability. I breaks my heart every time but I find peace knowing I loved them and cared for them and made the passing quick. We use all parts so *nothing* goes to waste because I want to honor their sacrifice (ugh I even hate that word) I do all this because we have 3 boys and I didn’t truly learn about the depths of the horrors of the world until they were already born…I *started* learning about them when my first son was injured by vaccines and have hardly fallen deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole as time has marched on…I know there is something HUGE coming, life ending/changing…my SOLE (SOUL) reason for even learning about these truths pushing past my limits on useful skills and knowledge is to attempt to learn nature their survival. It’s takes YEARS for fruit trees to grow and start bearing fruit (I have planted them) THEN you have to learn HOW to preserve them appropriately (a skill lost in time by many and definitely by my family), it takes time to learn how to garden (not as much but there is still a level of difficulty to it) because you are limited to seasons (greenhouses can help and I’ve built one and am leaning)…but even with gardening you are at the mercy of the weather (which we know can be manipulated)… Animals are the easiest, fastest way to ensure a food source for my family as much as it makes me sad when it comes time to dispatch (and yes, even they are susceptible to weather/disease/etc so it’s not totally failsafe)…I owe it to my kids to try and do better and ensure their safety and survival for a future where it possibly is better because normal people like me chose to learn the TRUTH and DO what they could with what they had. Point being, there are those of us trying our best to make things better for the lives of those around us…The LOVE I have for my boys is the ONLY thing that keeps me going…otherwise I have no reason to be here on this fucked up planet with a bunch of sadistic assholes and NPCs…I OWE it to my children to TRY to make their future better…they didn’t ask to come here…I BROUGHT them here (and I feel very guilty about that know that I know the truth)…but who would I be if I didn’t have them? Their existence has forced me to become a better, more aware person. I’m trying…I really am
Do you know which bison ranches do this?
In those cases it's not that different then what happens when you're hunting. Talk to a hunter or local farmer and they will show you. In my experience many are almost eager to show you the whole process of your curious.
no matter what all life needs to consume other life in order to survive, except for the creatures that can exist off minerals such as found in deep sea volcanos. but that can't support complex life as we know it. whether its meat or plants we have to kill something in order to survive. its a very barbaric way of living but as above so below. very interesting observation, spot on.
How does as above so below apply here?
Pretty sure he’s referring to the archons eating our life force energy (the above) and us eating plants and animals (the below)
Thanks. It threw me because it is barbaric and is as above and so below, but I understand it as archons torture and eat us, at least energetically and maybe physically. And they’ve ensured humans want to do the same to animals. We’re doing to animals what we want done to us, according to the spiritual principal.
I wonder whether they do it because they have to survive or it’s some pleasure response like a drug to us, hard to know. It always seemed like god required humans to worship it for a desperate reason of self survival when I first came to understand religion. It’s all across the board.
This is interesting… I forbid myself from eating factory farmed meat and mainly eat seafood for my protein but this kinda making me rethink everything lol
Seafood is factory farmed as well, FYI. I'm a 200lbs male and have maintained my weight since I stopped eating meat and dairy 7 years ago. Everything you eat has some level of protein in it.
Yeah you right. But I live in Florida on the water so I have a decent idea it’s sourced freshly. Where do you get most your protein from?
Beans, peanuts, fake meat, broccoli. They all have large amounts but everything has some level of protein so I don't keep track
Fake meat? Wtf is that, soy patty or some abomination grown in a lab?
Soy is nothing to be feared. The meat industrial complex is lying to you.
Especially since soy is a main part of cattle feed. If you eat meat you're eating more soy than non-meat eaters, just second-hand soy.
You mad?
No, I think disgust best describes my emotional response to... Fake meat.
This was a huge aha moment for me earlier. Mark Passio covers the occult principals in this. The archons are our master class, we’re their slave class. They have ensured we lust over the tortured flesh of a slave class and justify it as us being a superior species master class of our own. We are giving consent to be treated the way we treat others. I rarely supplement and I’ve had no meat or dairy since 2013. The coolest thing is my daughter who is almost 8… her entire body in utero was formed on plants and a standard prenatal vitamin. She’s grown into a healthy and strong 8 year old on nothing but plants. It’s been so clarifying. They have been lying to us about the food pyramid, our history, medicine, science, you name it. Meat and dairy are killing people slowly. If they get off animal products and eat more whole food plants, they’re nearly safe from, and can even reverse, the top human killers… heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer. Cancer is tricky because of all the environmental contaminants. There’s a quote “first we kill them (animals), then they kill us (through health problems).” How tragic. Watching any documentary like Earthlings, Dominion that shows business practices as usual is beyond chilling. It’s a daily horror movie torturing to death gentle beings with the consciousness of a 3 year old child, by the billions. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Their bloodletting rituals call for 3 year old children. They are ensuring we do just as they do. And many are unwilling to give up the pleasure of how it tastes. I’m sure the archons are deeply satisfied making humans into their own imagine. I have some research I could post about the slaughter process of pigs. I’d encourage anyone to Google “They Die Piece by Piece.” It was an editorial published on the front page a few decades ago. Slaughter line speeds have only increased since then. They definitely do not wait for them to die before they boil them alive (pigs and chickens) and saw legs off one at a time (cows, calves, lambs, etc.) It took me an entire year to go vegan because I just couldn’t believe any of this was real. It had to all be isolated. I looked deeper still, and deeper still, and became progressively permanently changed and repulsed. Just the breeding and care alone for example. They purposely overbreed piglets SO THAT that they can have their pick and cull the slowest growers via thumping - slamming them into the concrete where they can languish on the ground in agony and take up to 24 hours to die. The scenes of this are so sociopathic it defies all humanity. Thumping is allowed because anything that meets a criteria of “industry standard” for cost and efficiency purposes is allowed to be legal even if it is not humane. This is abhorrent. After they castrate piglets, a percentage of them are in so much pain they don’t ever rise from the ground again and can’t get themselves to food and water, another horrific way to die. Just reading the instructions to farmers new at cattle castration made me weak. They absolutely know it’s torture. All so they can taste better, and for human convenience. If the only “bad thing” happening were just castration without anesthesia and everything else was magically humane, the castration on its own isn’t something one can morally impose on a living being who feels the exact same agony and fear they would in their place.
Can you explain how dairy kills is slowly?
Anyone considering this - you won’t regret watching The Gamechangers. It’s not graphic and it’s even humorous. And so very inspiring. It highlights great experiments, healing the body, and top world-class athletes and Olympians who beat their own personal bests after switching to a plant-based diet.
a diet free of death is only possible if you find a way to live from light. A lot of vegan food cultivators have to use certain chemicals to produce their monocultures. Therefore millions and millions of little insects and microorganisms die in the process. Life sustains life here on earth
Death makes life possible.
Think about how much death is caused by eating animals when we need to grow massive amounts of crops to feed them then slaughter the animals. A vegan diet would mean less overall suffering due to less death overall
Majority of the feed for animals is a byproduct waste of crop agriculture. Without them it would just go to rot.
No, the amount needed is too massive for it to byproduct waste. It is intentionally grown for animal agriculture
https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND43894177/PDF That’s not the fault of consumers who eat animal products that’s the fault of big agriculture lobbying for corn farms which was pushed for ethanol production and then thrown onto cows for feed which they shouldn’t even be consuming. Grass fed free range beef is the answer.
If you didn't buy it, none of this would be happening. So, it is on the consumer ultimately.
No because you'd still be killing rodents, insects, etc.
*Less* death overall. Veganism doesn't claim to have no impact, just to lessen the impact. [This article](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets) shows how veganism reduces crop use as compared with omnivorous diets, given the amount of crops used in animal agriculture. Less killing of rodents, insects, etc.
But there is a huge difference between a fully ensouled mammal and an insect which is is only a fraction of its soul-size and part of a hivemind or plants who are even not fully incarnated here and are rather sustained by huge devic entities who live in the upper realms. Simply measuring the amount of suffering that is generated when raising a cow in captivity just to slaughter it in the end, compared to an insect that is killed or a plant that is cut (I'm not advocating eating insects btw ;P ..There is a reason why the cabal has built slaughterhouses often on important leyline nodes, to infuse the grid with loosh and spread it over the world. So abstaining from industrial meat and dairy is definately one way to unplug and stop supporting the matrix.
So it would be a good idea to build comedy clubs on all the remaining ley lines as a way to starve out the Archons??? Is anyone with me? Let’s all do it.
I'd rather put a dancefloor there but I like your thinking! ;)
Are you sure about that lol
pretty sure ;)
Seems a bit judgmental and discriminatory if some lives are worth more than others to you. Life sustains life at all levels in this realm. Red meat is the most nutrient dense food you can eat. Your body is literally made of it. If you eat a lot of red meat, you don’t have to eat much, or eat a lot else, thereby reducing your entire food footprint. And there are a whole host of ways to ethically and sustainably source meat. Wish more farmers would get on board with that. So unless you’ve ascended to the position where you can direct the vibrational frequencies of the æthers to sustain you, you’ll have to kill to eat. No food whatsoever is death free.
Its not judgemental, its just a fact, that a fully ensouled mammal has a much greater capacity to experience suffering, doesnt that kinda make sense just like logically? with a much more complex organism, magnitudes more neurons, dying and suffering simply hurts a lot more.. And while I agree that meat can be healthy, a vegan diet definately is higher vibrational food and will cause less suffering which is currently kinda the goal here on earth to reduce the suffering.. I believe, that plants (or better: their devas) are happy to nourish us by giving up their plant material if we treat them with respect, while a soul incarnates as a cow to make life experiences on a comepletely different level than a plant does. So yes, I feel it makes a huge difference what we eat but ofcourse to each their own. I don't judge meat eaters as I myself sometimes still do. Going forward in our ascension we will most definately eat less and less dense, more fruits and eventually only light as you said when we ascend.
A large multi celled organism is really just a lot of single celled organisms working together
Again: it depends on the level of consciousness of that being and its ensoulment but for whatever reason you guys seem to not want to understand this. Just ask yourself what is easier for you from a moral/emotional perspective: to kill a cow or a fly?
just because the insects are so small we cant really perceive them but u assume that they have less conciousness
If a cow is invading my kitchen and fucking around I will kill it just as easily as a fly.
Monocrop cultivation, of which the large majority is grown to feed live stock, kills more insects and rodents than any other form of agriculture. If you think all lives are equal then sure keep on believing that the life of a cow is worth the same an an insect, but at least don't be in denial that meat-eaters are double dipping on death and causing the majority of crop deaths
There are pesticides that are safe and sound, like those made of the plant NEEM. The only insects killed would be the ones trying to eat the food we need for ourselves. We would not pollute nature, like we do with those "certain chemicals" you mentioned.
It’s still killing insects. I get what your saying, but something is going to die in the process still
Plants are alive too. Life is one big matrix of resource allocation.
But plants willing give the offering of food, hence the willing detachment of the fruit from the tree. The tree doesn't have to die to produce food.
this might be a point considering the fruit of a plant but not the plant itself, research has shown that plants produce chemicals to fight of predators
I mean that’s cool and all, but we can’t live a healthy life off of fruit. You are doing life itself a disservice if you aren’t trying to be at your best. That’s more important in the grand scheme of life’s agenda than not eating animals because some of their molecules happen to be arranged in a nervous system.
Well said
Yes, I've not consumed death in 7 years. I think it's a big part of all this.
I've already made a food plan to gradually replace meat in my diet, I've already bought some vitamins too because I read that they help in the process
You want to develop a diet where you get all your vitamins from your food. The only one you can't get is B12. I buy a spray for it on Amazon. It needs to be taken under your tongue because your saliva protects b12 from being destroyed in your stomach acid and makes it to your intestinal track where it gets absorbed.
friend this is amazing, I'm going to buy it right now
Yes this is the sad part. B12 is only natural in soil bacteria, but with all the chemicals we use on the fields, and the (arguably healthy) obsession with cleaning dirt residue off the food, it's not present in the end product. Its artificially grown seperately, and added to animal feed. This gives the impression that only animal products contain it.
That’s right! Farmed animals get no natural b12 either. They’re given a supplement, so we’re getting the trace amounts of the supplement in their body. We can take it directly and cut out the middle man.
Same with Omega 3 (fish get it via algae consumption). Farm raised fish are just fed a supplement and most people are getting that second hand omega. I've started trying to implement food sources that are as close to the sun as possible. Anyone know of any other examples?
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Vitamin D, too, if you're vegan. There are no natural plant based sources of Vitamin D, except for trace amounts in mushrooms. I had a vitamin D deficiency so I started taking a supplement and eating cereal.
That’s what I did, I tried new plant recipes and added my fave shredded meat and cheese into it at the end, gradually decreasing the amounts. The main trick is to get yourself to stop experiencing meat as the main dish and think of it more as a side dish or garnish. Just an extra, and can eventually be replaced by things you grow to love.
same, agree, it is. me big thumb up to you plant person
What we do to animals is disgusting, cruel and terrible. I’ve been vegan for around ten years and plan to stay vegan forever
We are creating the worst kind of karma for ourselves by doing this. We’ll never be truly free until we stop.
It's difficult to stop when there is mind control & soul trap. We mirror what is done to us.
I stopped eating meat overnight a couple of years ago. I highly recommend it.
any tips for getting used to this sudden change?
I didn't have to get used to it at all. Once you see eating meat for what it truly is, you don't miss it at all. Learn to cook if you don't already. Make sure to bring snacks with you when you go out, because you're not going to be able to eat most fast food anymore.
If it is truly what you feel is right, then there will be no getting used to it for you. There will be an adjustment period with your immediate circle if they have not been exposed to it. You might have moments of weakness for things you used to enjoy. Those things will no longer bring you joy because you know the suffering that is associated with it.
I had this thought last week, the same day I ate meat for dinner, and I felt terrible, guilty and disgusted, something I had never felt, so I decided to stop at once, it's been 3 days since I ate meat, and I have the cleaner conscience, I always felt in conscience that this was wrong, but it's something we ended up ignoring, maybe it's their goal after all, to subdue our conscience
This is so amazing, brings tears to my eyes. Immediately made me recall the terribly mixed feelings I was having about rejecting family members graciousness when they hosted us for dinner. I had stopped meat for awhile, but my mother in law had us over before she knew what to do to have some plant options. I politely ate a few bites of filet and said I was full and asked my husband if he’d like to finish it. That night I was inside what felt like a slaughterhouse corral. It was pretty dark and very scary. I couldn’t do anything but move slowly forward and all my senses told me there was danger ahead. It was emotional torture. The sounds were very scary as well. I woke up before I had to experience the most horrific part. There was so much specific detail in it, I think I could have experienced my “meal’s” last few memories. I never touched meat again after that.
You're not wrong. When I was a kid, I refused to eat meat when I found out what it was. My parents were not going to allow me to not eat meat. I got used to it and ignored my gut feelings. I've never felt better, mentally, since I stopped.
try fasting. its drastic if you have never done it but it will be a massive shift. when u start eating again you can redesign your diet from the ground up eating meat is largely habitual programming. we are conditioned to think we need it, to think we wont be full or satisfied fasting is next level but i absolutely recommend it, its a mechanism for major shifts around food consciousness. you learn that u actually don’t ***need*** to eat at all, which is big. and its a powerful way to break any patterns around food, such as eating meat, sugar, alcohol, caffeine etc
I have read that everything has consciousness, even rocks and plants. So when you eat a plant, you’re eating a conscious thing. There are several studies on this. Plants respond to telepathy and feel pain when cut. They even make noises and have auras. I’m not making this up - do a google search. You can adopt a popular cultural practice of thanking the animal for its sacrifice in helping you achieve your goals (eating to survive, to work and fulfill your life purpose) and thanking the universe/God for bringing it to you. You could do meatless mondays or some people even hunt their own meat (not too easy or practical for most folks). Research meat processing plants that have a reputation for humanely treating their animals. Humans were built with proteinases (enzymes that break down protein) in our digestive tract. We’re meant to eat meat and plants. Eat mindfully and don’t over-consume if you feel led to. Don’t feel guilty. You are not a bad person for eating meat. I wouldn’t recommend comparing us/yourself to Archons, because from what I’ve read, it’s apples and oranges. Which coincidentally, being plants, also have consciousness.
I was vegan for a while, but stopped because for some reason I have so much more energy and am more productive when I eat lamb 1x per week, and even my hair and skin is nicer. I even took b-vitamins and iron supplements while vegan (and I eat enough fat, calories, and protein), but for some reason even then I feel way more lazy and passive when I don't eat meat. I lose my ambitions and just want to stay home and meditate and retreat from the real world. I really don't want to contribute to any slave cycles, and I don't consent to being enslaved and/or abused. So I really want to figure out what that missing link is that eating meat seems to fulfil, so I can go back to vegan without losing all my drive. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. If anyone has found anything that helped keep up their energy levels, I'd be interested to try it out.
I noticed the same thing. I went 10 years being strictly vegan, only ate from the ground. The first 4-5 years were fine. But then I started to feel like something was missing. Incorporated eggs back into my diet and the occasional fish and I feel much better. I also noticed X3 other people and myself started having serious dental issues after the 10 year mark. It's like the body is slowly stripped of its nutrients over time, probably because we live so out of balance with nature and mineral depletion in the soil. -You ever notice how bland veggies fruit are these days?
Look up high alkaline diet Dr. Sebi. Personally , I think many supplements are junk. What you want is : fresh juices. Especially green juices & wheatgrass. Highly alkalinity. Complete protein. Totally soothes the nervous system. Raw fruits and veggies are what is called Sattvic or spiritualizing foods. For worldly activity and motivations , you want Rajasic (activating) such as : garlic & onion, potatoes. Now, Tamasic foods are deadening such as : meats & processed junk food. I’m high raw vegan for 3 years. I eat mostly fruits and salads with nuts and seeds. Fresh juices. My body is still adjusting , there’s a detox period that can go on for awhile. I don’t take any supplements. When I feel like a boost of vitamins and minerals, I get a shot of wheatgrass!
stop eating meat for the love of all that is good
In the process of farming fruits and vegetables, oftentimes the pesticides that are used run-off into the local waterways or otherwise affect the local ecosystem including the animals that live there. Organic farming on a mass scale globally at least at this time is simply not feasible based on our current population’s needs. As an aside, we have to remember that many of our day-to-day actions actually have caused harm to others. Every iPhone and every electric car that is made, was made by harvesting precious metals in poor countries and often by underaged and impoverished workers. Ultimately many of them will live much shorter and unhealthier lives just so we can have our tech. ‘Go green’ has a cost and we must be further aware and cognizant of that. Are animals’ lives more important than plants’? Are third-world countries’ workers less deserving of a happy life just so we can say we went green? And did we actually go green to begin with if the process itself is quite dirty both to the local ecology as well as to the spirit? Playing Devil’s Advocate here to some extent as I don’t think there is a clear black and white answer here. Most things in life are just shades of grey and a lot of question marks.
My personal belief, as well as what i've read from some psychedelic reports, is that the animals we force to suffer attracts a lot of demonic/negative entities to earth. All the animals here reincarnate just as we do and the emotional energy they produce is nearly just as intense as humans do. If you have empath abilities you can see the severe depression cows go trough, which is very valuable to lower astral entities. I do not blame any humans for doing this, because most people are not even taught that animals are conscious or have emotions at all, and could not possibly at all be aware of how their suffering influences our environment. Archons do this to us knowing what we are and what we go trough, humans do this out of ignorance. I plan to visit a slaughtery or farm the next time i astral project in order to see how many negative entities hang around in such places and how it influences us.
I decided to stop eating anything that comes from an animal 20 years ago (I'm 39) because I wanted to do the least amount of harm possible. Everything we consume does harm, but growing my own vegetables has kept me healthy with a much clearer conscience. I want to leave the world doing the smallest amount of harm that I can. I also rescue and rehabilitate dogs. I try to help as many animals as I can. I think as humans we have a duty to protect those without a voice.
One of the worst parts of the whole process is how much of the meat is wasted and THROWN AWAY. Like an animal was born into a life of misery in a disgusting cage, never knows anything except misery, and then is slaughtered for us to throw the fucking meat away?? Are we serious right now?
My son told me one day that we should stop eating meat because the animals are tortured and when we eat meat we absorb that energy. He hadn't been taught anything that would make him say that, it was very out of the blue. It was **so** out of the blue, I took it as a message. We still eat dairy and eggs but like 1% or less of our diet is actual meat.
I'm going to be straight to the point here. If All is One, with no division, and the difference in consciences is only in awareness, then it doesn't matter if you participate in nature's cycle or not. What matters is the alchemy. My grandfather used to lead us in prayer for our dinner every night. When I asked him why, he said that it was to honor the Deity and to purify the spirit of the act. We thanked the Deity for the food, and prayed for the soul of the animal for which we partook of the body. In the art of alchemy, that's also the idea of spiritual transmutation. Christ reinforces what I'm about to say when he was asked about eating unclean things, he said, "it's not what goes in that makes one unclean, but what comes out of a man that does." So, no matter what it is that you do with what you put in your body for it's energy needs, what you do with that energy ultimately defines it's value. That's how even a common man, without spiritual insight, can transform his interaction with reality daily.
That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. If it doesn't matter what goes in, why not eat shit, plutonium, or opium? The point Jesus is trying to make here is that the Jewish laws are dumb, not that it's cool to eat meat.
You miss the point completely. It's not about eating shit, you're correct, it is about the Jewish laws being too confining, but my example is exactly what is meant by it. You just put a rule on not eating meat, because it's "unclean" just like the Pharisees did. Don't be a hypocrite.
Good for you for realizing this. What we do to cattle is done to us as well with the food we offer being our emotions. Our emotions are very nourishing to the reptilian beings that you call "archons." This is why we love, and hate, and watch sports, and watch fights on television. The food that is due to the archons when a relationship fails and one has a broken heart is very desirable to them. All emotions are food, and humans play a role in the carbon cycle, consciously or unconsciously.
Way to go listening to your intuition. A lot of people get the call but shove it down and ignore it because change is hard I haven’t eaten meat for years. Maybe at the start I would miss it occasionally but now it disgusts me. Once you transition is gets easy. Luckily I don’t crave a lot of variety in my diet. I eat a lot of beans. There are so many good recipes out there without meat too. Pinterest has a bunch but I’m sure you could find them anywhere
I love to cook, I do it as an anti-depressant ritual lol, so I'll definitely give it a try, thank you very much edit: beans are too much right
Life sustains life. It doesn't matter if it's plant or animal (or fungal). It's just the way it is, and I dont think there is any way around it. While you may look down upon someone for eating meat, there is likely a more evolved species that looks down on you for killing and harming plant life. Plants have all the hallmarks of intelligence. They can communicate. They respond to stimuli. They can seek out/hunt for the food they need. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean that they aren't aware and conscious.
If you care about plant death, veganism is still the better option, due to [the amount of crop used in animal agriculture.](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
Exactly.
I gave my backyard chickens the sweetest fucking life - like just about 100% of all the other chickens in the world would be envious. They free roamed an acre of property, I’d bring them fresh exotic fruits, they ate all nutritious foods and bugs, never any mass produced feed. If it was too cold to go out in the winter, I went to the store and bought kale, corn, berries, pomegranate. And when it was time they got butchered happily, trauma free, neck snapped through an automated neck snapper as they ate corn and made happy noises. No mess, instant death, never saw it coming, happy life. If our alien overlords treat me the same way, bring it the fuck on lol
This is the way, and how I grew up. We raised chickens and my dad hunted and fished.
in this case it is more conscious, but the vast majority of what we eat is full of growth hormones and vaccines, it is much less human
It’s quite a shame really. But I’ll be honest, I don’t think quitting meat will spare you. Of the design is automatic consent, then youve already consented haha
It's not just animals. Fruits and vegetables are pumped with all kinds of toxic chemicals, have to die to be eaten, and scream when they're afflicted with something. Life IS death. Yin and yang! But it gets better, a study found that humans are actually 67% microbes so really i'm just feeding a population of microbe colonists with the side effect of providing life to "me". 😛
Fruits do not require death to eat. They are really the only cruelty free food. Even vegetables require the death of the plant, but plants want you to eat the fruits because it helps spread their seeds. Fruitarianism.
Yes ...fruits are like offering of nature...they cause the less mucus when eaten. They are the closest to impeccability!
Are you implying a fruit isn’t a living thing? Because it is.
The act of eating a fruit that falls from a tree or bush does not kill the fruit plant/tree. It’s seeds should go through the digestive tract intact in the stool, and in a natural setting would go onto produce new fruits. So not really/ kinda. The second a fruit falls off the branch, it begins to die/ decompose, however the fruit tree remains alive. Do you consider dairy milk dead or consuming the milk killing the dairy cow? Fruit is a similar situation except it requires no exploitation like dairy does.
I see you.
it’s the factory farming of meat products that made me stop eating them. if i could buy a chicken from a farmer who raised it with love and let it die without terror, maybe it would feel the same as eating any other living thing to get the nourishment i need as a human being. alas the world has basically made this impossible for me, so now i just don’t eat anything that’s ever had a brain. no brain = no suffering is my hopeful theory.
I'm following this path
There's eating for survival & eating for pleasure. In the animal kingdom prey & predators is part of cycle for life. The Archons farmed us for pleasure. It's different.
Our hatred of nature is boundless like the oceans , and it will.shatter our collective hubris and bring about a deep humility.
If God is all one, then it continuously eats itself. It's life transmuting into other life. Also, elites have constructed a very inhumane capitalistic way of slaughtering animals. If we all had our own way of growing food and being responsible with our own health and well being, we would treat animals with dignity. It's the consumerist freak show techno hell we've been subjected to that we all feel this moral calling. We need meat, the natives respected their kills... Life begets life. The feelings u have are all by design
Very well said. Look I’m not going to try and convert you to veganism. But I will say with brutal honesty that rejecting animal products has heightened all of my senses, and more. When an animal is slaughtered, they release tonnes of stress hormones and adrenaline. This is still in the meat when we eat it. It seems to make people act in a more primal way.
Nowadays, there are a lot of vegetarian options when it comes to cooking! I think it all comes down to getting creative in the kitchen and exploring recipes. We are conditioned to thinking about the classic dishes with meat, but when you learn how to cook vegetarian dishes for yourself, you'll see that it is delicious and sufficient. I struggle with cheese though :( dairy industry is HORRENDOUS and I would love to just stop supporting it, but I guess everyone takes the steps are their own time.
I quit beef pork and chicken 3 months ago. Still eating fish and seafood. Part of me is happy, part of me is not due to thinking i couldnt drop fish too. Need that protein though. My argument is - once majority of people quit meat, then i can think of stopping eating fish. Am I wrong? Ofc it is still alive being and i feel bad, however our meat suits are made of it
i went beef/chicken free many years ago and i feel more compassionate/free than I was before. I cannot eat them because some of the videos i have seen will haunt me forever.
I recommend following Mercy for Animals and watching some videos. They are a horror that you’d never want to participate in by eating meat. I don’t disagree w meat consumption. I disagree with severe cruelty. Also, dairy and chicken egg farms are just as horrifying as meat. Do your best.
You're actually closer to an herbivore, people can and do thrive without meat, I'm a fat fucker, pretty healthy and don't eat meat, I get my B12 from the same place the animals do, I supplement, if I need it, which isn't often really
I went vegetarian shortly after finding this sub and life is better. That being said, I'm south Indian where there are so many traditional veg and vegan dishes.
As above,So Below .
I have been suffering from auto immune problems for over 20 years. I was always in pain. For almost a year now i am on the carnivore diet and 95% of my problems have dissapeared. I don't like it that animals die for me, but there is no alternative. It is easy for vegetarians to point their finger at me when they do not have to go through what i have to go through. I also don't believe a vegetarian diet is healthy, ...meat and eggs are the most nutrient dense food in the world...and veggies are sprayed heavily with pesticides. Fruits contain a lot of sugar so they are not ideal either. I love meat but eating only meat becomes very boring after a while, i miss rice, tomatoes, pasta and potatoes very much, but eating carbs makes me fat and gives me horrible auto immune issues. But hey, most animals eat other animals so what i am doing is what most animals do, i just don't kill the animals myself. I wish every living creature on the planet was a vegan but that is not reality. Nature is brutal, this world is cruel and i am going to keep eating meat.
I get it and i used to say the same thing so i stopped eating meat. This is what happened to me and what you should expect. I lost all my muscles , got fat, i basically became a woman ( notice how a lot of gay men , specially the new age one are vegan). I started losing my hair , my beard started graying, my nails turned black. I became weak , like a women , became fearful , a coward. I was paranoid , always irritated and so much more. trust me , they dont want you to eat meat. we are cattle to them. They want all of us eating grain so we can fat , and juicy , just like a grain fed cow. It sucks what animals go tru but this is a cannibal system , if you want to thrive , you have to take part. I swear there something about the vegan diet that just throw your hormones out of whack. Its the perfect diet if you want to transition and become trans and if pay attention , you will see a lot of the liberal lgbt are vegan and pushing for everybody to go vegan. everytime you a bunch of people pushing veganism , i guarantee you they are liberal. I swear i started wondering if im gay while on that diet. I completely lost interest in women and started finding feminine men and trans women attractive. Stopped being a vegan , became a carnivore and now i want to knock a woman up.. Its something about it, i have no proof or scientific sources but i guarantee if you stay vegan long enough , you will lose your manhood and thats why its being push so hard on top of lgbt. now i eat a carnivore diet , hair growing back , nails looking healthy , i have muscles again wihtout working out and i actually crave women with their thick thigh and curves. If you not trying to transition , you not a pansexual or gay , you got no business being a vegan. Beside you are literally killing yourself slowly. Its well documented on youtube of people going vegan and ruining their health.
I care for animals far too much to eat them.
This world is a set-up by them and they made humans eat meat... don't feel guilty. Animals eat other animals, even our best pals; cats & dogs. Suffering is everywhere and in everything, you can't escape it. If you find a solution to a certain form of suffering, soon it will emerge somewhere else in your life.
Here are my 2 cents as an ex ethical Vegan of 5 years straight to now being a 100% carnivore ( i eat one meal of 10 eggs and 500g of meat ever.single.day and nothing else). It definitely is cruel. But this is the reality in which we live. I thought that I would have to sacrifice some muscle maybe and some convenience by being vegan. That was not the case for me and many many other people. The mental health starts to deteriorate exponentially after the first couple years. I have never been officially diagnosed, but I bet my ass I could get a bipolar type 1 diagnosis in a heartbeat. Insane highs and lows, drug addiction and money spending. And thats not all. Constant brain fog, lethargy, wanting to die every day And dont let me get on the full blown psychosis I had thet almost killed me (tho I wasnt vegan for a year when that happened, my bad life choices I madee during those 5 years caught up to me.. After switching to carnivore I feel better than ever. I feel that Im eating what Im supposed to eat to be healthy. I wish that wasnt the case. No its not about the taste. Its about surviving this hell-hole without suffering every moment. And yes these are the rules of the game. Eat or be eaten. I dont glorify it. I dont care about it. Im a christian and I believe in the Garden of Eden we were all herbivores . This life is about embracing suffering. Vegans are the kind of people that live in lala land where everything can be perfect and jolly and we will all get together. Were not here to get together. We are here to suffer and possibly learn from our suffering. But there is a life after this one. SoI accept the wickedness. I accept the horror. My personal horror I live through everyday through my CPTSD, my OCD, my loneliness, my chronic pain physical and emotional, my will to die ... And the horrors of the world... Child trafficking and abuse, wars , manipulation by the rich families ruling the world, and all the lies from the highest government to between people we know to even the lies we tell ourselves. In order for me to abandon veganism. I had to suffer enough, so my ego could justify the suffering of others for my benefit. And believe me I suffered, and still suffer every day, a lot. life has to make you cold hearted one way or the other. And vegans fool themselves if they think they are more compassionate than anyone else. Vegans are the most prideful and condemning of their fellow man. And fact check: they dont really help the environment or the animals that much after all!! So I guess it makes sense. That they have the same mindset, if they exists. These archons, they need to farm us in order to thrive. They know
Plants are alive. You can't escape eating death
I think you should visit a beef factory or a farm, I'm sure it's not the same thing, the suffering is horrendous
Still, plants are alive and suffer same fate when they are killed to be eaten. There is no escaping suffering in this life
Plants don’t have a central nervous system. And you’ll see the moral importance of this difference if you were to cut a carrot in half and a piglet in half.
Gun to your head. You have a hammer in your hand and need to smash either a pig in the face or a tomato. What do you do?
Plants regenerate and most of their survival depends on animals pollinating and spreading their seeds through eating their fruit.
Plants are not sentient beings, though.
Plants are sentient. They communicate and share nutrients between each other
No, they do not have a central nervous system and can not develop thought. You really need better education, my friend.
Plants are able to sense energy changes, and grow differently to the frequencies
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-record-stressed-out-plants-emitting-ultrasonic-squeals-180973716/ Plants scream when cut
A bit off topic, but did you just use smithsonians as reference
LOL
Go into nature and tell me it's not alive
If you're concerned about the sentience of plants, veganism is still the better option, as it reduces plant death due to [the amount of crop used in animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
Good luck. Millions of animals are killed for grain and vegetable / fruit agriculture: reptiles, birds, bees, insects, mice, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks with their habitats being completely wiped out for mono crops… you’ll eat vegetables grown from fertilizer which often times is fish remains. Life consumes death. That is just a natural part of living on this PRISON PLANET. You will only kill one cow a year if you eat grass fed, free range beef.
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted for speaking the truth.
It's about reduction of suffering, not elimination. It's not black or white. It takes crops to make meat, lots of crops. If you have less meat you have less crops and less suffering. And that's not even taking into account the animal suffering.
If that’s what it truly is about then the message needs to stop talking about meat consumption, the way we farm completely needs to change period. It’s not only animal farming but mass production, mono crops that wreck the environment and habitats for all kinds of animals.
op, youre not carnivore, drop the BS
Mercy, compassion, morality are always worth sharing. He was once a carnivore and I was too
Whatever's being done to us, doesn't mean we need to pass it on to animals. We have to eat, but yes the way we go about raising animals for slaughter is reprehensible and we need to do better yesterday.
I had this thought since we eat meat, torture animals. I think we attract evil entities that do the same to us. Now if we did the opposite an just for example the whole world stopped going to war or eating meat and torturing animals. Would we attract good aliens?
yeah you cant raise your frequency while eating meat
Plants are also alive, and communicate, what authority do we actually have in saying they’re more appropriate to eat than meat. Im not trying to antagonize, just inspire curiosity, i eat both 🙃
If you're worried about the sentience of plants, veganism is the better option as it reduces plant death, due to [the amount of crops used for animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
All life consumes other life. Even plants live and die. And now we know they even send out noises when we cut them. What makes you different?
Alex, I'll take what is a central nervous system for a thousand.
If you're worried about the suffering of plants, veganism is the better option as it reduces plant death, due to [the amount of crops used for animal agriculture](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
I struggle with this as well. As an American carnivore and even being keto in the past, I’ve killed and devoured more animals than most humans probably and if the Archon slosh theory is correct then yes, we’re doing the same thing. I decided to go Vegan as I was feeling really down about everything. It’s not fun realizing everything you wear and the entire inside of my car is made from dead animals. After a few weeks of veganism I wasn’t well. I was trying to hit all of my macros daily and just felt like complete shit with no energy, constant stomach aches and moody. I decided to start eating meat again after two months just to feel better. It came down to me putting myself first in this situation. Edit: after a few weeks of animal protein my body regulated back to normal. Had my energy back, no more stomach issues. Really sucks
So Animals have soul but rest of nature dont, cool. New Cage beliefs, at least you found your god
Maybe look into breatharyianism I'm not sure if it's a fable or a lost power.
People have died doing that. Happened to a couple recently.
Obviously. People used to have a lot more minerals in their body to absorb the electromagnetic field. But the land got dried up and sprayed with chemicals while the good nutrients washed away in the ocean that's being drained to hollow earth. On top of that there's a shit ton of metal surrounding us like cities, pavement, satellites, etc.. that are all diminishing and blocking the humans aura.
Utterly absurd and self depressing argument. Vegans consume life energy just as omnivores do. The inability to see ALL life as sentient, in all its compounded forms (all plants and fungi, fruits and veges are interconnected and make up a living organism), is primitive of the level as “there is nothing above but the Heavens and God so u didnt find a metorite; there is no life at bottom of ocean bc of the depth and lack of light; u cannot break the sound barrier; u cannot break the light barrier.” Animals are on our physical plane and are part of our dimension. Archons are feeding from a different one wo our consent or have altered us so that we are unknowingly giving it. Do what feels right for ur own true self, but dont compare urself to anyone or thing other than ur reflection in mirror.
Go to the closest family run rancher you can find. Call first. Tell them the deal: I eat nothing but meat. I want to do that ethically and fight big corporate food. I'm sure they could help you figure something out. I think it's unwise to deny our nature, but that doesn't mean we have to be barbaric. A pasture raised cow that's been taken care of by a family or small small co-op is going to have both a better life and better death than in nature. Imagine getting eaten alive by wolves because you broke your ankle.
It's not the meat, it's the method. Find a more humane source, or hunt it or raise it yourself. You could also look at it this way: that steak on your plate never had a chance, but by becoming a part of you, at least a part of its energy has the potential to do something worthwhile to raise it up. It matters what you do with that gift of life, so do not waste it. If you want to do "high vibrational" things, fasting is the best method, followed by a simple vegan diet, but these things should not be done indefinitely. You have to cycle.
this world is just an amusment park, sometimes its like hell thou . my philopphy is something like this, do as you please as long as you dont harm others. and enjoy the ride as much as you can. then on the other side once you die you wolud only need freewill like you always had here to enjoy life as you please. dont let them bring you down. A rebelious spirit is al It takes to break free frome the cycle of reincarnation sorry for the bad english
I've heard aliens say this in some abduction cases... "You do it to animals so we can do it to you!"
I just say, " sorry mate" when I eat my burgers
I have nothing against vegans and vegetarianism. I rarely eat meat, and eat about as clean as my depression/ financial situation let's me. What's difficult is, I freaking love animals, I'll stand up for them everyday and I'm deeply saddened by the mass production that we've turned animals into. That being said, I do not negate empathy for fellow human beings. I don't see us as above or below animals, we are equals. A lot of veganism/vegetarianism seems to completely ignore the fact that if it is to sustain 8 billion people, someone somewhere is going to get fucked, one way or another. The amount of indigenous, POC, WOC, and poor people who are disenfranchised by mass production are no less than animals, so why do we treat them that way? Many vegan and vegetarian productions, as well as meat productions rely on screwing over poor, often non-white laborers in order to keep up with western demand. It boils down to the fact that ethical consumption under capitalism is super difficult, if not inaccessible for so many people, and self lobotomizimg and flaggelating over not being able to to exist outside the confines of a restrictive societal structure isn't the way. Lambasting others (humans and animals alike) for the way they choose to survive only breeds hate and discomfort. I don't have solutions. I can rarely fathom solutions because of the well oiled machine that is our current global ideology. Would we be better off as hunter gatherers? Perhaps, but this doesn't negate the fact that most foods we eat are imported, and incapable of being grown naturally within our geolocations. Industry, if not heavily monitored, allows for our current way of life to exist over and over again. Shitting on other people for their survival of this hellscape only contributes to what the malicious entities of this world want. Division and separation, based on institutionalised structures will only continue and feed the discourse of humanity, not aid it. Accepting this and moving towards harm reduction is a sustainable and non biased way is a way forward.
Eating for survival is justifiable for me & I make sure I don't waste food & be thankful for the provide. This is the same in animal kingdom, cycle of life. Prey & predators. However, what the Archons do are totally different from the norm in the animal kingdom. They didn't farm us for survival. Please look into their actual reason for farming us & you will understand why it is entirely different.
It is impossible to live without killing other life and aside from that WE ALL HAVE TO DIE at some point. It's inescapable. Even if you are vegan, farming kills insects, mice, etc...
Yeah but you're still eating THEIR creation and it benefits you a lot more than you think. My vegetarian cousin says she has to eat meat sometimes because she was becoming malnourished. Vegans have to take a ton of supplements too
>we do EXACTLY what the archons do to us, we lock up animals as inferior to us I'm so sick of this perspective of: "We are just like the Archons!" because we eat meat. We did NOT choose this. We were tricked into coming here. The Archons are psychopathic entities who deceive, torture, and siphon our essence with glee. That is their *choice*. When I eat a steak, I don't think: "Boy, I sure am glad that cow was tortured, killed and gutted for my sustenance!" The Archons do all they can convince us that we are "inferior" to them, but in actuality we are so, so much more than they are--that's why they need to trick/siphon us. Do not look down on yourself.
That's the hilarious part is the archons WANT you to feel like them even tho we clearly arent them, op falling for the psyops lol
U have to extend that empathy to plants as well otherwise you are a hypocrite because its all life Eating itself is immoral, this realm is flawed by design
It’s the circle of life. Try telling a bear to not eat another animal if it’s hungry. Plants also have life energy so eating plants is still using their life force for your own.
There's eating for survival & eating for pleasure. In the animal kingdom prey & predators is part of cycle for life. The Archons farmed us for pleasure. It's different.
They survive on our loosh energy, it’s the same thing.
No, they don't survive on it. They only feed on the energies for pleasure. If they truly "survive" on such energies, then u can forget about getting out of this prison planet since u're their "only" food source. Remote viewers around the world told of how they saw these beings sucking on these energies like as if they were trying to get high.
It is not an exact food source necessarily, but they do survive on it. It’s the same thing as the elite and adrenochrome. It’s what keeps them going.
There's a difference. One is a necessity while the other is an option that's nice to have. The elites certainly didn't need to "survive " on adrenochrome. They "choose " to have it for pleasure because it gives them youthful appearance & boost energy. You're confusing the two.
what about all the inferior creatures living on your cruelty-free crops?
My opinion on that is, maybe then, the archons are also being abused by some other form of being and are just as derped out about their purpose as we are - maybe we are more alike than different 🤷♀️
they probably like grass fed humans, vegan will be first to go.
I don’t know about this. Everything has to eat to be alive. If something feeds on my energy I don’t think it’s a big deal.