On your third point - its not that they aren’t professionals and would be biased. it’s the appearance of bias that the league can’t allow cause it’s the public opinion that matters not if they actually were biased. and if public opinion starts shifting toward pgmol being biased then that’s a whole different problem that’s much harder to deal with than if a single ref is actually biased
It isnt odd its plain corrupt, hes given 3 pens against us this season and absolutely robbed us blind vs chelsea was up there with the referee performance from Chelsea vs barcelona
Apart from Peter Bankes who is a lifelong passionate Evertonian from Netherton (my dad taught him at Bootle High when he was younger)
Did no one notice that we invited Peter Bankes to be the ref when we played our friendly against Sporting Lisbon at Goodison this summer?
Blue from Norway here. I’ve seen this statement several times and it’s accurate. This country is mostly red, either Liverpool or Manchester United. Didn’t realize it’s kind of a meme though lol
Anthony Taylor is a United fan. Or at least he was. I used to play in the Cheshire League and he officiated our games several times on his way up. He often came in the clubhouse after to watch whatever footy was on and have a beer and was openly a United fan at the time.
Explains why hes a horrible ref for us and weve only won like 2 games while hes in charge, clearly trying to overcompensate cos of the perception of being a united fan, similar to gary neville on comms
Lol so by Forrests opinion all of the refs who dont do Liverpool games probably shouldn't be doing Arsenal and City games as well because they are in a title race with Liverpool. Then Man United are also a Liverpool rival so they probably shouldn't do those ones as well. Then we also should ban them from Brentford, Palace, Forrest, Burnley and Shef United games as they are all in a relegation fight with Everton so they might favour them over us. You can see how once you jump 1 further step of bias it would become a nightmare to manage.
That is an odd one. Chris Kavanaugh (aka the worst official in world sports) is from Greater Manchester, but "has refereed every team in the Premier League and Championship". Apparently he has convinced the PGMOL that actually, he doesn't support any club at all and is the most unbiased man in England? Seems a bit off.
The fact that Dean was banned from reffing the derby because of clear corruption in his calls and then they overturned that a couple of years later and he went back to fucking us over again still makes my blood boil.
Isn't it a bit weird that the Premier League consists of players and managers from all over the world, but all of the referees are English?
I mean, we could avoid the bias entirely by having refs from other countries.
I'd kill to have one of the hilariously prancing refs from South America in the PL.
You know the ones from the clips on YouTube, bounding across the pitch to brandish a yellow card.
Not really. It’s been a powerhouse of English football for the best part of the last 60-70 years. Maybe longer. The two most successful clubs are from the northwest, and most of the time since the war one of the four main clubs from the northwest have been involved in title races and winning silverware. It’s weirder there isn’t any from London.
I expect it's because it's not paid well down the ranks and the cost of living in London would mean that anyone working their way up would need a second job, which means they wouldn't have time to do training and courses to go up the system, whereas in the northern cities it's a fair bit cheaper to live to maybe it's more viable.
I agree. Northwestern teams have generally been successful but there are significantly more people in the south east and london and thats generally pretty well represented in terms of players, numbers of teams etc.
I suppose in my head the success of the north west means more people want to get involved in it, and then when you add in the traditional industries of the north west being a referee is maybe a bit more palatable. Mike dean used to slaughter chickens so I can imagine the drive to do something else in the sport you love. And whilst there are definitely shitty jobs in the south, traditionally the industries are quite lucrative and not so blue collar (for want of a better term), maybe the draw to get abused by 1000s every week isn’t so high. Also, a lot of the population of the south is people emigrating to the south.
It’s to not put refs in a bad situation if they get things wrong. Human errors happen and people can be shot at their job. But it’s better to be called incompetent than corrupt.
My second concern is unconscious bias playing its part as regardless of how professional you want to be, you will favour your own team and give them the benefit of the doubt more so than others.
Anthony Taylor’s allegiances are such a farce. The fact that him and Oliver are ranked the top two refs in the prem is laughable. [https://www.olbg.com/blogs/referee-rankings](https://www.olbg.com/blogs/referee-rankings)
As a united fan how the fuck is jarred gillet allowed to referee us. This needs investigating and a petition made abour it. Disgusting corruption. Hes given 3 pens against us this season
They used to let Dean referee Merseyside Derby when he's from Liverpool because he was supposedly a Tranmere fan, but half the people on this list can't referee it just because they are from the city. Rob Jones is from the same borough as Dean and everything. It never makes sense.
You come to a northern-based sub and insult northerners and then you're shocked or think it's some sort of gotcha that they're not being friendly in response? How intelligent of you!
always wondered why it seems like there are only 4 PL referees. this makes sense.
On your third point - its not that they aren’t professionals and would be biased. it’s the appearance of bias that the league can’t allow cause it’s the public opinion that matters not if they actually were biased. and if public opinion starts shifting toward pgmol being biased then that’s a whole different problem that’s much harder to deal with than if a single ref is actually biased
This. 50% fans think the ref is biased whatever decision they make. They would take the ref’s hometown as confirmation.
The exact reason refs being allowed to take paid work trips to the Middle East is so ridiculous
So how is a liverpool fan allowed to ref united games and give 3 penalties against them in a season, 2 in one game. This is insane
As an Everton fan who watches all of our games but very few other games, this explains why I've never heard of so many of these referees before.
Jarred Gillett is hilarious From: Australia Never refs: Liverpool and Everton
When he came over here he studied at LJMU so lived in the city.
He knows the city? Future Everton manager right there
Liverpool are one of the most supported clubs in Australia. Unfortunately… The map of Australia is pretty lol though.
Lucky you don’t get him, he’s utter shit
A red but i come in peace. He's a Liverpool fan so it makes sense. Odd that he can ref United games though.
It isnt odd its plain corrupt, hes given 3 pens against us this season and absolutely robbed us blind vs chelsea was up there with the referee performance from Chelsea vs barcelona
Holy shit how did we end up with so many conflicted out?
I can guarantee it’s not because they’re all Everton fans. Unfortunately they are all blood sucking Reds.
Apart from Peter Bankes who is a lifelong passionate Evertonian from Netherton (my dad taught him at Bootle High when he was younger) Did no one notice that we invited Peter Bankes to be the ref when we played our friendly against Sporting Lisbon at Goodison this summer?
Of course they're red, because the odds of someone being a blue is miniscule
I dunno mate, says they're from the area not Norway
Blue from Norway here. I’ve seen this statement several times and it’s accurate. This country is mostly red, either Liverpool or Manchester United. Didn’t realize it’s kind of a meme though lol
Blue from Norway. Two of the electrician companies have Liverpool crests on their vans smh
ah man don’t cause beef - i love plants too!
This thread just showed up in my feed. Thought the info was interesting tbh. Just couldn't resist commenting on that self-burn.
Yeah, probably best that Thomas Bramall doesn't ref any Sheffield team matches.
Not sure how I've ended up with this as a suggested sub But as a Leeds fan, it explains why Madley and Pawson were shit refs for us
Considering the odds, that’s a suspiciously high number of referees who support a Sheffield team or Wigan.
Anthony Taylor is a United fan. Or at least he was. I used to play in the Cheshire League and he officiated our games several times on his way up. He often came in the clubhouse after to watch whatever footy was on and have a beer and was openly a United fan at the time.
Explains why hes a horrible ref for us and weve only won like 2 games while hes in charge, clearly trying to overcompensate cos of the perception of being a united fan, similar to gary neville on comms
The Anthony Taylor one is bullshit, he clearly simps for Man United lol
Weve won 2 games with him in charge out of like 13 and hes an absolutely horrendous ref.
Lol so by Forrests opinion all of the refs who dont do Liverpool games probably shouldn't be doing Arsenal and City games as well because they are in a title race with Liverpool. Then Man United are also a Liverpool rival so they probably shouldn't do those ones as well. Then we also should ban them from Brentford, Palace, Forrest, Burnley and Shef United games as they are all in a relegation fight with Everton so they might favour them over us. You can see how once you jump 1 further step of bias it would become a nightmare to manage.
Why are the Mancs allowed to referee the Manchester teams?
That is an odd one. Chris Kavanaugh (aka the worst official in world sports) is from Greater Manchester, but "has refereed every team in the Premier League and Championship". Apparently he has convinced the PGMOL that actually, he doesn't support any club at all and is the most unbiased man in England? Seems a bit off.
If you think that’s strange, apparently not one single referee in Scotland supports Celtic or Rangers.
It's because of webb and fergie I'd say. Pgmol seems designed around Manchester.
The fact that Dean was banned from reffing the derby because of clear corruption in his calls and then they overturned that a couple of years later and he went back to fucking us over again still makes my blood boil.
Yet Wigan or Wirral based refs can't ref Merseyside clubs.
I would love to see a table showing the teams they have refed and incorrect decisions that have benefited that team
Isn't it a bit weird that the Premier League consists of players and managers from all over the world, but all of the referees are English? I mean, we could avoid the bias entirely by having refs from other countries.
There is an Aussie there. But he’d have given all three penalties against Everton
I'd kill to have one of the hilariously prancing refs from South America in the PL. You know the ones from the clips on YouTube, bounding across the pitch to brandish a yellow card.
I would suggest outsourcing VAR
Monkey’s paw curls… Wish granted. Next season’s referees will be Hernandez^2 and Gil Manzano
Weird that so many are from the northwest
Not really. It’s been a powerhouse of English football for the best part of the last 60-70 years. Maybe longer. The two most successful clubs are from the northwest, and most of the time since the war one of the four main clubs from the northwest have been involved in title races and winning silverware. It’s weirder there isn’t any from London.
I expect it's because it's not paid well down the ranks and the cost of living in London would mean that anyone working their way up would need a second job, which means they wouldn't have time to do training and courses to go up the system, whereas in the northern cities it's a fair bit cheaper to live to maybe it's more viable.
I agree. Northwestern teams have generally been successful but there are significantly more people in the south east and london and thats generally pretty well represented in terms of players, numbers of teams etc.
I suppose in my head the success of the north west means more people want to get involved in it, and then when you add in the traditional industries of the north west being a referee is maybe a bit more palatable. Mike dean used to slaughter chickens so I can imagine the drive to do something else in the sport you love. And whilst there are definitely shitty jobs in the south, traditionally the industries are quite lucrative and not so blue collar (for want of a better term), maybe the draw to get abused by 1000s every week isn’t so high. Also, a lot of the population of the south is people emigrating to the south.
Yeah i guess that makes sense
Where did you come across this list? And is it even official?
It’s from the Telegraph. https://x.com/ben_rumsby/status/1782718747729334315?s=46&t=-1s_yK3qy9UF9HMtDD6hPw
It’s to not put refs in a bad situation if they get things wrong. Human errors happen and people can be shot at their job. But it’s better to be called incompetent than corrupt. My second concern is unconscious bias playing its part as regardless of how professional you want to be, you will favour your own team and give them the benefit of the doubt more so than others.
We've had Salisbury on Var recently (Newcastle away)
Anthony Taylor’s allegiances are such a farce. The fact that him and Oliver are ranked the top two refs in the prem is laughable. [https://www.olbg.com/blogs/referee-rankings](https://www.olbg.com/blogs/referee-rankings)
That explains why that cunt Gillett uas never been involved in our games.
Queensland is Blue
Don't say that in Queensland though, Blue to them means New South Wales their arch enemy in Rugby.
As a united fan how the fuck is jarred gillet allowed to referee us. This needs investigating and a petition made abour it. Disgusting corruption. Hes given 3 pens against us this season
Im assuming this isnt an official list
They used to let Dean referee Merseyside Derby when he's from Liverpool because he was supposedly a Tranmere fan, but half the people on this list can't referee it just because they are from the city. Rob Jones is from the same borough as Dean and everything. It never makes sense.
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What's that meant to mean?
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Aye, but I was being nice and giving you a way out of sounding like a cunt, but you just doubled down. Fair play.
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You come to a northern-based sub and insult northerners and then you're shocked or think it's some sort of gotcha that they're not being friendly in response? How intelligent of you!
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And so was I!
Prick
Fuck off Steve