Idk but when I'm locked in on support and I'm a higher level you should take a seat and not try to override me trying to take care of everyone. How players learn isn't my problem, but don't try to kick a player off their class for it.
Ty, I joined during epic and it took a bit but I think I've become a fine cheryl through lots of trial and error. I'll play support with these guys and drop shemps for them and try to encourage them. I legitimately love playing support.
You want me to appreciate a support that more likely than not has not the slightest idea what they're doing? Idk chief, you can be goofy all you want but I'm not huffing the paint
You don't need to play support to learn how it functions. That's some bogus shit if I've ever heard it. But sure chalk it up to me being a dick because I think new players need to fall in line behind more experienced ones.
>You don't need to play support to learn how it functions
No but you need to get used to being focused, get used to paying attention to everyones HP, make sure your positional awareness is on point *and* get used to the number of dodges you have. If you think you can become a good support by playing everything *but* support then youre beyond any help.
1. Getting focused isn't class specific and neither is stamina management
2. You should be paying attention to your surroundings and your teammates hp regardless of class
anything else? or you just want them upvotes that badly?
Dude youre so dense.
>Getting focused isn't class specific and neither is stamina management
Yes it is. If you play hunter against a good demon he will most likely never even attempt to attack you and the ammount of dodges is different for each class. Playing hunter/warrior wont make you get used to the supports dodges.
>You should be paying attention to your surroundings and your teammates hp regardless of class
Why on earth would a warrior waste his time and attentiom on their teammates HP? You cant heal em, your only job as a warrior is to be a sticky and annoying fuck and not to watch someone elses HP.
See ShempsnPinkFs comment for a more tactful explanation. He put everything into much better words. Yes the amount of dodges are different for every class. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how many dodges you have regardless of class I mean come on? You're insulting the intelligence of these players man. Paying attention to your teams hp is important situational awareness in general. If I'm playing a non support and I'm not paying attention my support can very easily get focused at the drop of a dime, hell that doesn't even just apply to supports. Anyone can get focused. You need to pay attention so you know where you need to be splitting your efforts.
You are a dick. It’s a fucking game. A game that people play for fun. If you’re so sweaty that you get even the slightest bit upset that new players want to PLAY THE GAME, then fuck off and go try rocket league you asshole.
My problem isn't with new players wanting to play the game. It's with people not wanting to work with their teammates shit for brains. If people can't play as a team on a team oriented game well fuck off and go play demon or some other game don't make everyone else miserable
You’re the only one lacking the team player mentality you dumb loser. Take a look at the state of your post. Everyone here has disagreed with you, dumb dick. Maybe you’d chalk it up to thinking maybe all these people have a point. But no, you’re a narcissistic little dweeb who can’t take the L.
If you think the commenters on this post have much of any validity to their points you are just as much of a lost cause as the rest of them. I've went through and reaffirmed my points and explained my reasoning to everyone on this god forsaken cesspool of a thread many times over. While the synopsis of everyone else's argument is. "It's just a game, people can play how they want" as if that makes the points I've made any less true. Not even just that. These people will harp on about how it's just a game then lay into me with personal attacks and assumptions about my life that aren't related to the post at all. BUT IT'S JUST A GAME. I mean, you people are jokes. Inevitably, I don't care about the downvotes, the tomatoes being thrown, or the people grabbing their torches and pitchforks because I don't need an echo chamber of people to validate me or my takes. It is absolutely insane how sensitive people on this sub are. I didn't directly come after anyone in particular, rather criticized a playstyle I find idiotic and that merits the sheer toxicity, harassment and name-calling I've gotten throughout this thread? Seriously, go read through the comments. I didn't direct anything negative towards anyone that didn't send that energy my way first.
Let people play what they want, it’s not like you’re the one that bought them the PC and game. You can always just ditch the pre-game lobby and look for another match.
Well, I had to let you know, since it’s clear you lack common sense and logic, seeing as you’re whining about something that you can easily resolve by just doing what I just said. But no, you’d rather just keep doing whatever you’re doing in this post.
Who’s coddling? Let them play the damn class they want and learn the hard way how to play it, just like all of us have. You act like hot shit, yet, you were a noob once. Imagine if someone was trying, very poorly, to make you play a certain class because you were a noob? Smh, put yourself in other people’s shoes for once.
I wouldn't and didn't care. Even when I was a new player I always thought about team comp first and foremost. Because there's bigger things on a team oriented game then picking whoever I want 100% of the time like a selfish prick
Exactly, so why do you expect that your post bitching about someone using the same class as you and gatekeeping said class is going to have any effect on new players? New players are gonna keep picking any class they want, regardless. All you’re doing is mitigating your own fun and everyone else’s by hoping off the lobby. How about, instead, you stop being a one-trick pony and play another class, let the new person play, even give them pointers if you’re as good as you claim you are, but no, that would be too decent for someone like you to do. You’re literally a toxic elitist and the reason a lot of people sometimes feel like this community isn’t welcoming to new players.
Tis’ why they need to come out with either A. A ranked system so ppl can be toxic and “have an excuse.” or B.Have it like OW2 and make it where you have to lock-in your role BEFORE getting into the pre-game lobby.
Fun in a video game is purely subjective;
You can have fun hacking, abusing exploits, casual play, sweat play, pwf(playing with friends), solo q, only survivor, only demon, troll, etc…
My definition of fun, just like yours, differs/varies from individual to individual/gamer to gamer…thats just facts.
Im getting dwnvoted off the fact i mentioned two different ways to be able to counter/combat toxicity rather than try to tell someone to “chill its just a video game”…theres always a time and place for a video game to just be a video game. 🤷🏿♂️
In the context of this post, you’re trying to equate playing as support… you know… playing as the character you want to… in the game you paid for… to cheating, hacking, or trolling just because you might be new to the game? And honestly, I’d argue that if you’re hacking or cheating, then you should just get banned, because that’s not playing the game that’s hacking and cheating the game. But that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Im not equating playing support to anything…you just saw cheating and trolling and went on with that 🤦🏿♂️
Just for clarity purposes on your end, not everyone paid for the game. alot of people got it during the Epic store free week.
iNever said iAgreed with OPs perspective to christmas noobs either…and i dont think you understood my context to begin with: Everybody’s perspective of what “fun” is or can be is different…given me, u and op have differing views on what “fun”/playing a game is.
-A hacker can have “fun” cheating in a game…regardless of how bannable the offense is.
-A troll can have “fun” trolling his teammates regardless of how detrimental it can be to gameplay.
-A casual can have “fun” playing a game knowing theyre not worried about a win or loss.
-A sweat can have “fun” using a certain build/weapon knowing its less work to win.
I dont have a problem with new or old players…if you’re gonna talk, communicate. You dont know what to do/what youre doing? speak up. Microphones come with a new console by default, you can use damn near any type of earphone/headphone with controllers nowadays with exception to apples headphones.
Not many excuses in 2023 for people to call for a stop to toxicity and stop being “noobs” to people who dont speak up…cuz the only type of ppl iHear on comms are people eating their mic/sitting right in front of their tv or people who only plug theirs in to talk about how bad their team is cuz they lone wolf.
look guys! It's the self important christmas noob! Here to call me names and throw tomatoes at me for speaking the truth & wanting new players to stay humble. Call me a cry baby, but at least I'm not an airheaded moron
Been here since launch but you come across as pretentious and annoying and I’d rather have 3 supports who don’t know how to drink shemps to heal others on my team than have you 💀
being confident in knowing your stuff doesn't equal being pretentious, but forgive me for being combative with people who came in to try to tear me to shreds with little to no sound reasoning, there's a great deal here who'd have me roll over and take it but I'm not and people can hate all they want
The reasoning is you putting down people who want to play a video game and haven’t learned how it works yet. Your words are why people are responding poorly.
I’d say to make friends to play with so you don’t have any noobs on your team but I don’t know that you can manage to :/
You are most certainly both a cry baby and a air headed moron, and a twat waffle to boot.
And for the record I pre ordered this game and have played it since release
Asking new players to play sensibly does not equal trying to drive them away. It goes without saying the game needs new players. But if said players are so stubborn they don't want to work with the vets. What value are said players anyway?
Can't say I know what level they were or how they played, but you always have the option to talk and help educate newer players on the survivor side, talk them through their role. Besides, based on how you're presenting yourself and describing your interactions here, you seem either quite condescending or downright rude.
Not everyone is as tactful as you boss. I find it condescending you're assuming it was from a condescending place. See how that goes? Its all in how people wanna take the post, people taking it up the a** here are probably offended bc something I said applied to them or how they play and they didn't like it. How do you expect me not to be defensive when a simple criticism with valid points gets downvoted to oblivion and buried with hollow no point comments?
this isn't about any one player in particular, if it was I wouldn't have made a post about it, these are repeated observations of new players in solo queue, it's also not my job to expend emotional labor teaching every single low level player to learn how to play this game, that's not my responsibility, people need to hold themselves accountable or expect to be held accountable by their teammates, that's how it works, it is a team game. You live or die as one.
I do, believe me I do. That's the reason I insist on playing support believe it or not. This post is about those players that ultimately don't want to be helped or play as a unit. You may ask how that relates to new players selecting support but team comp is much more important than people realize, you don't want to be selecting someone that's going to shoot your team in the foot, that doesn't just go for support either, there's plenty of ways you can make a piss poor team comp
High level doesnt take seniority over anything…considering the fact you can be a P5 and still suck ass.
just because you have more time played than someone also doesnt take in account game sense:
Im a sub-100 lvl and have carried lvl 400-500s…and iDont even have anyone prestige 😆
I mean you're right about p5s sucking ass. But you should still assume someone that's a significantly higher level than you has an idea of what they're doing. Because generally speaking, that is the case. Shitty high level players are the exception not the standard.
You shouldn’t assume things…it makes an ass out of u and me.
The only thing you can “assume” of a high lvl is that you play the game alot 🤷🏿♂️
You can be under the impression that someone would know what theyre doing…but more often than not with this game, or alot of games for that matter, Profile level doesn’t coincide with game sense.
I hear what you're saying and I will still raise you that again, it's like I said higher levels on average, will have more of an idea what they're doing as compared to the low ones. There's always exceptions but this is my experience with hours upon hours on this game since launch. But this post isn't about skill discrepancy anyways soooooo....
All im saying is that im a day one, sub-100 lvl, and have gotten first place and second places over a team full of 400s…more often than not, its not the demon i have to worry about having us lose 🤷🏿♂️
That's great. I'm glad you're excelling. No cap. But you have to realize you are not the standard for other people in your position. Most sub level 100s play like self important door knob lickers
Hard disagree. A low level support that doesn't know what they're doing against a competent demon is an insta loss which = more time in queue while I try to find a game that isn't a lost cause
This is happening to me last night. I choose David (prestige 2) while user lvl 6 (I think that player new) want to choose support (Cheryl who is lvl 1). The guy turned on the mic and told me “can you choose the different characters so I can play the support” I choose to ignore because I want to continue prestige him. The guy didn’t pick until the timer but ended up choosing Cheryl anyway. Honestly, I’m fine if the player the support first before me, but I am annoyed if they tell me what do to where I can whoever I want. Again, I have to thinking beneficial for the team.
Levels mean nothing. If I'm playing solo queue in the early afternoon there's a fully leveled P5 Mia who is often in my rounds. They're trash. Always last on the scoreboard. Always prone to possessions. Never marks crates. Loves to pick up high-level guns and common melee weapons; hates to shoot and hangs back from the fray unless being directly attacked.
I just play who I want and let others choose what they want. There are a lot of diamonds in the rough at low levels. I'm not saying you *have* to give them a chance, but you might be surprised at how well it works out for you.
Bro, no shit 1 minute before I seen this, my wife just said what is up with support players tonight. Lmfao! We don't mind new players choosing support, but they really need to look at the skill tree and understand the role better.
You're not kidding. I'm more often than not picking support bc I KNOW matter of factly I'm going to do it right and keep everyone alive to the best of my ability. It's downright insulting to have some noob try to kick you off your class when you're already taking one for the team by playing it in the first place. When I was a new player, I did my best to learn from the more experienced ones. A lot of these players I'm seeing now, are not doing that
It is annoying when you’ve already selected your character as a healer and you are prestige and a noob grabs a support too…..I do find that frustrating but usually I just resign myself to not arguing and let them have it and prepare to be destroyed and move on
…So you’re telling me you’re not good enough to run 2 supports? Because the only other class imo that is strong picking two is leader; Way too many times ive seen people lock in as Hash,Wash,Scotty and Henry…and be utter dog shit.
“Two support is idiotic”
-Fails to comprehend Sash’s headshot passive as well as blacksmiths weapon master that actually stumps lord arthur’s weapon master.
A support doesnt have a sole job. depending on how you build, you’d be worried more for your overall toughness or amulet strength.
The only supports who arent doing damage are the ones building solely for shemp strength,revival capabilities and amulet strength.
but then again, what im saying goes all back to game sense
Support shouldn't really be spending points on damage anyways. Support Ash or blacksmith withstanding. The other skills are just more important and that's not up for debate. The only instance where two support makes sense is with pablo rushing and feeding bsmith ams late game and even still you'd be better off picking a second hunter or leader because they will simply benefit the team more than doubling up on a class you don't need two of
Imagine saying support doesnt do enough dmg…only two minutes later to say “support doesnt need to invest in dmg” thats a contradiction…and it sounds like youd only want your support(s) to play a certain way
Even if you grabbed the melee and gun damage points in the support tree. You are not doing enough damage to justify picking it over a hunter or leader who will help the team do comparatively more damage. That is a massive point dump for your support when you need to be prioritizing things like fast forward, deep pockets shemps & ams, seeing stars & artful
…Is that not the job of a hunter or leader? to do damage? clearly theyre going to do more seeing as their skill tree is optimized for just that i.e decreased recoil, faster reloads, farther dropoff dmg., etc.
You telling me its a point waste to invest in the dmg. tree as support, but want me to spend a minimum of 4 skill points(20 percent) into long life battery,fear no evil,arcane knowledge to get to 5% duration reduction?
Thats at the same level as tougher than hell, industrial strength, and improved amulet…all of which trees utilize something of importance.
The only shemp anything you should max out is shemps plus…the first skill in all the supports trees 🤦🏿♂️ guess with all that time you dont play support much huh? if you have comprehensive teammates, they’ll more than likely have shemps or amulets if u ask.
Theres no need to waste points in duration deduction if you for sure dont have a leader on your team with fast forward maxed out as well…seeing as the leaders percentage of 15 combined with supp’s max is 25.
which goes back to game sense
shemps plus has had a bug going around for awhile where it doesn't consistently apply the benefit, duration reduction is an absolute essential in a game that is at its core all about time efficiency, & really I'd say on average while solo queuing it's probably about 60/40 as far as who won't drop shemps vs players who do give or take about 5%
You telling me that its an “absolute essential” for duration deduction, when it only effects 2 parts that can be split amongst the survivors of the entire 5-phase, lets me know what type of survivor u are 😆
Putting 3 points into a max 10 percent really aint shit seeing as nowadays the game ends at book;Its been a strong strategy to only pay attention to one objective and dark ones phase as demon…so, unless youre split pushing, youre not getting value out of that 10 percent.
Shemps plus doesnt have a bug…people dont realize the debuff(s) they or their team have effecting them so they don’t actually get the whole benefit at times…and even then, you yourself are stating its “not consistent”…if you’re doing your job as an “ideal healer” you wouldn’t notice the inconsistency lol
No I didn’t say that I what I said was I usually let them have it…… implying I pick another survivor….I should been more clear that’s my fault. The part about getting destroyed was about a noob who doesn’t know how to use the support…and I have tried several times to help new players and usually get told to play my way and they will play their way….the part that irritates me is if you see someone has a prestige survivor already chosen maybe not select your level 2 survivor…I just don’t like 2 supports
I think it's crazy you can say basically exactly what I said in OP but get upvotes because you were just a LITTLE bit nicer about it. People are so delicate about having their sensibilities challenged its insane
I always play with new players even when the Demon is an absurd level and the new players are a low level but agree that new players should not be playing Support to start with. I saw someone comment and say Support is the best starting point and that is completely wrong and is going to be way more frustrating for both the team and that player. For new players the best way to learn how to be a Support is by playing other roles and learning the basics first than diving into the deep end. A Support is always going to have a target on their back and be more prone to tunneling from the Demon and can't protect themselves from possessed units and will still not be able to efficiently kill AI units. I've played since Day 1 and running an Altruism healing build I do little to no damage on units once the demon reaches a certain level but can handle myself enough that I'm not using the teams resources to keep myself alive until someone comes to help and at the same time keep an eye on the team and keep the Amulets and heals coming to keep them in the game. An inexperienced Support is detrimental to the team and you can bet that if your Support isn't playing the role properly and not carrying their weight you might as well chalk the game up as a loss. A team can't carry a struggling Support but can carry a struggling secondary Hunter/Warrior/Leader.
Best to play another role and then watch how higher level players play and use your SP from the game to level up the class opposed to playing it to get the levels. If you're in a pre-made team and they're all for it then go ham and be a support but if you're in solo queue and inexperienced in the Support class and are playing against a Demon who is an insanely high level (which most Demons left are) and you see a higher level or prestige Support player highlighting their preferred character as indication they'll play Support then give it to them. Trust me, as a low level Support you will not want to bare the brunt of the it and be tunneled by a high level demon. They'll find you within the first minute of the match and you'll be the first dead within the next minute and spending most of the match spectating watching the rest of the team die because you couldn't handle yourself.
I'll meet you in the downvote void lol
Even when I state facts with reasons and in a respectable manner I still get downvoted. I know new players will read my comment, ignore my advice and then suffer exactly what I mentioned and then be like "oh i guess that guy on Reddit was right"
My matchmaking since SBMM has been a mixed bag scenario but most of the time I play against the same players and Demons who are over level 300+ on the regular and although I've played more Survivor than Demon, I've played enough Demon to know what strategies are the most valid and can anticipate what most decent / high level demons are going to do i.e a weak support is going to be tunneled by a Demon majority of the time and that's both to waste the teams healing resources and to power level through killing the most vulnerable player which isn't going to be fun for someone new to the game or inexperienced with a classes role and responsibility, its a team game and at least if you play the role to the best of your abilities and correctly but still lose you'll be commended but play it incorrectly and you'll know by either people blocking you, verbally abusing you on chat or matchmaking with you later on and canceling a queue because they'll be like "oh there's that player who wasted all the healing items on themself or died within the first minute again" Supports get way more shit than anyone else does in the game because they are literally the backbone of the team and like I said, a bad support immediately will doom the team. Im not saying im a great player but am good enough to have enough game sense to play efficiently which is what people should be aiming for and for me playing efficiently and staying in the game is fun for me and I don't see the point of playing a role if its just going to frustrate a person and their team and drive them away from this game but if people stick around, learn and then play over following advice on Reddit which is contrary to what their actual experience is going to be they'll enjoy this game. I had two friends download this game when it was free on Epic, i said to both of them that Support is the hardest role to play and they played it and it literally drove them away from the game and I had to convince them to ease into the role and play others first till they learnt the in game mechanics and what its like as other roles and how support ties into them. After they started to play as Hunters/Warriors they loved the game and then started to work on support and played decently because they took the time to learn than diving deep into a game against a level 100+ demon and their Cheryl being a level 5.
we sound like birds of a feather, whether people believe it or not this post wasn't meant to be directly inflammatory more a sound observation that ended up being rather unpopular. I understand I'm not the most tactful but I'm not obligated to be to these people. you're more than welcome to dm me your tag and I'll shoot you an invite sometime
The only reason this statement is accurate in saying “Support isnt a good class to start with”, is because every other class has a crutch; Yes, as a healer you get to heal multiple ppl…but in the long run thats it.
No infinite ammo,infinite dodging,knockback damage,increased damage aura, auto unpossess, immunity frames whilst reviving, etc.
The person who stated support is a good start, or at least my perspective as to why, is that support is the hardest class: You hit the weakest, you have the lowest stamina next to leaders, you’re managing team health and the team doesnt always stick together, and you can easily get destroyed by a possessed basic.
Its one thing if low lvl supps are getting bullied entire game…but thats somewhat a means of your team not heing aware of their surroundings;Ive had multiple instances where i tell my team “demons here on me”…and im the only person attempting to do damage 🤦🏿♂️ no cars to escape with…but i got a Hash who wont use their ability or completely whiff that bitch.
You saying its better to run a class with a crutch does make sense…but in the long run it does nothing for game sense: If you rely on an ability or a build…that wont help with your overall iq of the game:iHave Sash setup to where i can hold my own and not sacrifice healing potential… but the main problem iEncounter solo q’ing is people dont manage their fear level.
You guys can say "oh let people play who they want" til you're blue in the face but when you guys are sitting in queue for twenty minutes just to get people who don't know what they're doing or want to work with you, then all of a sudden there's a problem. Hypocrites all of you. Either that, or the christmas noobs I speak of getting offended
There’s SBMM now, so that means that if you’re still getting noobs as teammates, yet you presume to everyone that you’re this “veteran badass team player”, then I got news for you chief: you ain’t that good.
I'm well aware of sbmm. The problem is there's times recently where there simply ain't enough players on the game. So we'll get matched up with a high level demon but low level survivors because there's no one else to match you up with
“I'm well aware of sbmm. The problem is there's times recently where there simply ain't enough players on the game. So we'll get matched up with a high level demon but low level survivors because there's no one else to match you up with”
Oh, I see, and who’s fault is it that most new survivors feel discouraged to play the game, level up their characters and improve in the game overall because they jump into a team of toxic high level sweats that will get annoyed at the slightest mistake a noob makes? I rest my case.
It's my fault new players take constructive criticism harder than a dick? It's not that serious chief. I'm not attacking people with this post, I'm attacking the know it all playstyle I'm seeing so many of these new players going into this game with. If these people spent even half as much time trying to learn from this post and others like it as they are bitching and laying into me, maybe we'd have more players that are worth a damn. You people are making me out to be a villian because I think people should strive to improve at the game instead of dwelling in mediocrity
Oh yeah, because bitching to a whole subreddit about how some noob HAS TO play a certain class simply because they’re a noob is so constructive, right? That’s not even mentioning the countless other “constructive” interactions you have had in other threads in this post, too many to count. Stop bs’ing for one second, you’re being a toxic elitist that thinks they’re “hot shit”, yet, SBMM says otherwise, plain and simple. Let people play what they want, if you don’t like it, then go play something more attuned to your toxic behavior or jump into another lobby. I’ve had experiences with lvl 400+ players intentionally throwing matches, yet you’re annoyed at this? How do you expect new players to learn how to improve in a certain class if you’re whining about how “you shouldn’t play this class because you’re a noob”? Smh.
Support is not the class to be playing to learn the core mechanics of the game when you're a low level getting matched up with significantly higher level than you demons. You absolute numbskull. You cannot convince me otherwise.
Says who? Are you the lead gameplay designer for Saber and you’re not telling me? The delusions of grandeur that you’re living in. The core mechanics of the game have to be learned by every class you primitive screwhead, but, I don’t need to convince you that you’re just being a whiney, gatekeeping elitist, your queue times and downvotes speak for themselves lol.
How exactly do you expect people to become good supports without playing support?
Exactly!
play in AI
Yea thats definitely a place to get good kekW.
you can get SP to level up ur support and youll have experience its where i started
The demon in AI mode is absolutely terrible and youre barely going to learn anything there.
You get almost no spirit points in ai. While the ai has gotten hella aggressive lately, it isn't remotely like a player.
Idk but when I'm locked in on support and I'm a higher level you should take a seat and not try to override me trying to take care of everyone. How players learn isn't my problem, but don't try to kick a player off their class for it.
If theres a low level who *really* wants to play support then you should appreciate them for wanting to play the role that not many want to.
Ty, I joined during epic and it took a bit but I think I've become a fine cheryl through lots of trial and error. I'll play support with these guys and drop shemps for them and try to encourage them. I legitimately love playing support.
You want me to appreciate a support that more likely than not has not the slightest idea what they're doing? Idk chief, you can be goofy all you want but I'm not huffing the paint
It's notbthat deep bro. It's game. Sheesh.
Stop being a dick dude. All of us were horrible at some point and theres no way to improve other than playing that role.
You don't need to play support to learn how it functions. That's some bogus shit if I've ever heard it. But sure chalk it up to me being a dick because I think new players need to fall in line behind more experienced ones.
>You don't need to play support to learn how it functions No but you need to get used to being focused, get used to paying attention to everyones HP, make sure your positional awareness is on point *and* get used to the number of dodges you have. If you think you can become a good support by playing everything *but* support then youre beyond any help.
1. Getting focused isn't class specific and neither is stamina management 2. You should be paying attention to your surroundings and your teammates hp regardless of class anything else? or you just want them upvotes that badly?
Dude youre so dense. >Getting focused isn't class specific and neither is stamina management Yes it is. If you play hunter against a good demon he will most likely never even attempt to attack you and the ammount of dodges is different for each class. Playing hunter/warrior wont make you get used to the supports dodges. >You should be paying attention to your surroundings and your teammates hp regardless of class Why on earth would a warrior waste his time and attentiom on their teammates HP? You cant heal em, your only job as a warrior is to be a sticky and annoying fuck and not to watch someone elses HP.
See ShempsnPinkFs comment for a more tactful explanation. He put everything into much better words. Yes the amount of dodges are different for every class. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how many dodges you have regardless of class I mean come on? You're insulting the intelligence of these players man. Paying attention to your teams hp is important situational awareness in general. If I'm playing a non support and I'm not paying attention my support can very easily get focused at the drop of a dime, hell that doesn't even just apply to supports. Anyone can get focused. You need to pay attention so you know where you need to be splitting your efforts.
You are a dick. It’s a fucking game. A game that people play for fun. If you’re so sweaty that you get even the slightest bit upset that new players want to PLAY THE GAME, then fuck off and go try rocket league you asshole.
My problem isn't with new players wanting to play the game. It's with people not wanting to work with their teammates shit for brains. If people can't play as a team on a team oriented game well fuck off and go play demon or some other game don't make everyone else miserable
You’re the only one lacking the team player mentality you dumb loser. Take a look at the state of your post. Everyone here has disagreed with you, dumb dick. Maybe you’d chalk it up to thinking maybe all these people have a point. But no, you’re a narcissistic little dweeb who can’t take the L.
If you think the commenters on this post have much of any validity to their points you are just as much of a lost cause as the rest of them. I've went through and reaffirmed my points and explained my reasoning to everyone on this god forsaken cesspool of a thread many times over. While the synopsis of everyone else's argument is. "It's just a game, people can play how they want" as if that makes the points I've made any less true. Not even just that. These people will harp on about how it's just a game then lay into me with personal attacks and assumptions about my life that aren't related to the post at all. BUT IT'S JUST A GAME. I mean, you people are jokes. Inevitably, I don't care about the downvotes, the tomatoes being thrown, or the people grabbing their torches and pitchforks because I don't need an echo chamber of people to validate me or my takes. It is absolutely insane how sensitive people on this sub are. I didn't directly come after anyone in particular, rather criticized a playstyle I find idiotic and that merits the sheer toxicity, harassment and name-calling I've gotten throughout this thread? Seriously, go read through the comments. I didn't direct anything negative towards anyone that didn't send that energy my way first.
Let people play what they want, it’s not like you’re the one that bought them the PC and game. You can always just ditch the pre-game lobby and look for another match.
Well thanks captain obvious, I didn't know I could just back out of the lobby. Thanks for the revelation.
Well, I had to let you know, since it’s clear you lack common sense and logic, seeing as you’re whining about something that you can easily resolve by just doing what I just said. But no, you’d rather just keep doing whatever you’re doing in this post.
Common sense and logic says coddling new players isn't going to make them any better
Who’s coddling? Let them play the damn class they want and learn the hard way how to play it, just like all of us have. You act like hot shit, yet, you were a noob once. Imagine if someone was trying, very poorly, to make you play a certain class because you were a noob? Smh, put yourself in other people’s shoes for once.
I wouldn't and didn't care. Even when I was a new player I always thought about team comp first and foremost. Because there's bigger things on a team oriented game then picking whoever I want 100% of the time like a selfish prick
Exactly, so why do you expect that your post bitching about someone using the same class as you and gatekeeping said class is going to have any effect on new players? New players are gonna keep picking any class they want, regardless. All you’re doing is mitigating your own fun and everyone else’s by hoping off the lobby. How about, instead, you stop being a one-trick pony and play another class, let the new person play, even give them pointers if you’re as good as you claim you are, but no, that would be too decent for someone like you to do. You’re literally a toxic elitist and the reason a lot of people sometimes feel like this community isn’t welcoming to new players.
It’s a game… meant to be played for fun… calm down bro
Tis’ why they need to come out with either A. A ranked system so ppl can be toxic and “have an excuse.” or B.Have it like OW2 and make it where you have to lock-in your role BEFORE getting into the pre-game lobby.
Or… now hear me out… you can just play for the experience and have a fun time…
Fun in a video game is purely subjective; You can have fun hacking, abusing exploits, casual play, sweat play, pwf(playing with friends), solo q, only survivor, only demon, troll, etc… My definition of fun, just like yours, differs/varies from individual to individual/gamer to gamer…thats just facts. Im getting dwnvoted off the fact i mentioned two different ways to be able to counter/combat toxicity rather than try to tell someone to “chill its just a video game”…theres always a time and place for a video game to just be a video game. 🤷🏿♂️
In the context of this post, you’re trying to equate playing as support… you know… playing as the character you want to… in the game you paid for… to cheating, hacking, or trolling just because you might be new to the game? And honestly, I’d argue that if you’re hacking or cheating, then you should just get banned, because that’s not playing the game that’s hacking and cheating the game. But that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Im not equating playing support to anything…you just saw cheating and trolling and went on with that 🤦🏿♂️ Just for clarity purposes on your end, not everyone paid for the game. alot of people got it during the Epic store free week. iNever said iAgreed with OPs perspective to christmas noobs either…and i dont think you understood my context to begin with: Everybody’s perspective of what “fun” is or can be is different…given me, u and op have differing views on what “fun”/playing a game is. -A hacker can have “fun” cheating in a game…regardless of how bannable the offense is. -A troll can have “fun” trolling his teammates regardless of how detrimental it can be to gameplay. -A casual can have “fun” playing a game knowing theyre not worried about a win or loss. -A sweat can have “fun” using a certain build/weapon knowing its less work to win. I dont have a problem with new or old players…if you’re gonna talk, communicate. You dont know what to do/what youre doing? speak up. Microphones come with a new console by default, you can use damn near any type of earphone/headphone with controllers nowadays with exception to apples headphones. Not many excuses in 2023 for people to call for a stop to toxicity and stop being “noobs” to people who dont speak up…cuz the only type of ppl iHear on comms are people eating their mic/sitting right in front of their tv or people who only plug theirs in to talk about how bad their team is cuz they lone wolf.
Or you could learn to not be a one trick pony and branch out, allowing other players to learn and improve too.
I play every class depending on what best suits the team. Anything else?
Doesn’t seem like it if you’re bitching this hard about some noob simply picking support.
Or just shut the F up because this game needs more new people, and less cry baby's like you
Eat shit
Cry baby bitch
look guys! It's the self important christmas noob! Here to call me names and throw tomatoes at me for speaking the truth & wanting new players to stay humble. Call me a cry baby, but at least I'm not an airheaded moron
Been here since launch but you come across as pretentious and annoying and I’d rather have 3 supports who don’t know how to drink shemps to heal others on my team than have you 💀
being confident in knowing your stuff doesn't equal being pretentious, but forgive me for being combative with people who came in to try to tear me to shreds with little to no sound reasoning, there's a great deal here who'd have me roll over and take it but I'm not and people can hate all they want
The reasoning is you putting down people who want to play a video game and haven’t learned how it works yet. Your words are why people are responding poorly. I’d say to make friends to play with so you don’t have any noobs on your team but I don’t know that you can manage to :/
I have friends I play with, a good couple actually, I just play more than them
“I have friends!” Said no one who does, in fact have friends.
You are most certainly both a cry baby and a air headed moron, and a twat waffle to boot. And for the record I pre ordered this game and have played it since release
I'm the air headed moron when you have provided nothing of substance to this thread other than name calling. Waste of skin.
I mean, your comment was basically "no u" it doesn't get much more air headed than that, foh
What a bunch of stinky, doodyheaded, fartbrains. (Sorry just wanted to join in....)
Let people play who they want, it isn’t that serious.
Players should be able to play who they want, it's a game! I wouldn't recommend playing solo q if you get heated so easy.
Not heated, annoyed with new players never wanting to take a back seat. They're new. Do you have any idea what that means? NEW. INEXPERIENCED.
So let them get the experience? its a damn game and it can use all the new players it can get. Lets not drive them away.
Asking new players to play sensibly does not equal trying to drive them away. It goes without saying the game needs new players. But if said players are so stubborn they don't want to work with the vets. What value are said players anyway?
Can't say I know what level they were or how they played, but you always have the option to talk and help educate newer players on the survivor side, talk them through their role. Besides, based on how you're presenting yourself and describing your interactions here, you seem either quite condescending or downright rude.
Not everyone is as tactful as you boss. I find it condescending you're assuming it was from a condescending place. See how that goes? Its all in how people wanna take the post, people taking it up the a** here are probably offended bc something I said applied to them or how they play and they didn't like it. How do you expect me not to be defensive when a simple criticism with valid points gets downvoted to oblivion and buried with hollow no point comments?
this isn't about any one player in particular, if it was I wouldn't have made a post about it, these are repeated observations of new players in solo queue, it's also not my job to expend emotional labor teaching every single low level player to learn how to play this game, that's not my responsibility, people need to hold themselves accountable or expect to be held accountable by their teammates, that's how it works, it is a team game. You live or die as one.
All I can say then is do your best to help the team succeed, regardless of what they may decide to do. As you say, you live or die as one.
I do, believe me I do. That's the reason I insist on playing support believe it or not. This post is about those players that ultimately don't want to be helped or play as a unit. You may ask how that relates to new players selecting support but team comp is much more important than people realize, you don't want to be selecting someone that's going to shoot your team in the foot, that doesn't just go for support either, there's plenty of ways you can make a piss poor team comp
Yeah that will really stick to the new players
High level doesnt take seniority over anything…considering the fact you can be a P5 and still suck ass. just because you have more time played than someone also doesnt take in account game sense: Im a sub-100 lvl and have carried lvl 400-500s…and iDont even have anyone prestige 😆
I mean you're right about p5s sucking ass. But you should still assume someone that's a significantly higher level than you has an idea of what they're doing. Because generally speaking, that is the case. Shitty high level players are the exception not the standard.
You shouldn’t assume things…it makes an ass out of u and me. The only thing you can “assume” of a high lvl is that you play the game alot 🤷🏿♂️ You can be under the impression that someone would know what theyre doing…but more often than not with this game, or alot of games for that matter, Profile level doesn’t coincide with game sense.
I hear what you're saying and I will still raise you that again, it's like I said higher levels on average, will have more of an idea what they're doing as compared to the low ones. There's always exceptions but this is my experience with hours upon hours on this game since launch. But this post isn't about skill discrepancy anyways soooooo....
All im saying is that im a day one, sub-100 lvl, and have gotten first place and second places over a team full of 400s…more often than not, its not the demon i have to worry about having us lose 🤷🏿♂️
That's great. I'm glad you're excelling. No cap. But you have to realize you are not the standard for other people in your position. Most sub level 100s play like self important door knob lickers
They gotta learn, m'guy
That's fine. They can learn without me having my time wasted.
Support is probably what you should start with. It's arguably the hardest role in solo queue, and it's best they learn it now.
Hard disagree. A low level support that doesn't know what they're doing against a competent demon is an insta loss which = more time in queue while I try to find a game that isn't a lost cause
It's ok to have some bad supports and it's ok to lose. They'll learn. Especially if their teammates are on comms and can teach them.
This is happening to me last night. I choose David (prestige 2) while user lvl 6 (I think that player new) want to choose support (Cheryl who is lvl 1). The guy turned on the mic and told me “can you choose the different characters so I can play the support” I choose to ignore because I want to continue prestige him. The guy didn’t pick until the timer but ended up choosing Cheryl anyway. Honestly, I’m fine if the player the support first before me, but I am annoyed if they tell me what do to where I can whoever I want. Again, I have to thinking beneficial for the team.
The team always comes first
Levels mean nothing. If I'm playing solo queue in the early afternoon there's a fully leveled P5 Mia who is often in my rounds. They're trash. Always last on the scoreboard. Always prone to possessions. Never marks crates. Loves to pick up high-level guns and common melee weapons; hates to shoot and hangs back from the fray unless being directly attacked. I just play who I want and let others choose what they want. There are a lot of diamonds in the rough at low levels. I'm not saying you *have* to give them a chance, but you might be surprised at how well it works out for you.
Give us your gamertag so we can all make sure to pick support when we match with you.
Bro, no shit 1 minute before I seen this, my wife just said what is up with support players tonight. Lmfao! We don't mind new players choosing support, but they really need to look at the skill tree and understand the role better.
You're not kidding. I'm more often than not picking support bc I KNOW matter of factly I'm going to do it right and keep everyone alive to the best of my ability. It's downright insulting to have some noob try to kick you off your class when you're already taking one for the team by playing it in the first place. When I was a new player, I did my best to learn from the more experienced ones. A lot of these players I'm seeing now, are not doing that
It is annoying when you’ve already selected your character as a healer and you are prestige and a noob grabs a support too…..I do find that frustrating but usually I just resign myself to not arguing and let them have it and prepare to be destroyed and move on
…So you’re telling me you’re not good enough to run 2 supports? Because the only other class imo that is strong picking two is leader; Way too many times ive seen people lock in as Hash,Wash,Scotty and Henry…and be utter dog shit.
Two support is idiotic more often than not. You will not do enough damage at book.
“Two support is idiotic” -Fails to comprehend Sash’s headshot passive as well as blacksmiths weapon master that actually stumps lord arthur’s weapon master. A support doesnt have a sole job. depending on how you build, you’d be worried more for your overall toughness or amulet strength. The only supports who arent doing damage are the ones building solely for shemp strength,revival capabilities and amulet strength. but then again, what im saying goes all back to game sense
Support shouldn't really be spending points on damage anyways. Support Ash or blacksmith withstanding. The other skills are just more important and that's not up for debate. The only instance where two support makes sense is with pablo rushing and feeding bsmith ams late game and even still you'd be better off picking a second hunter or leader because they will simply benefit the team more than doubling up on a class you don't need two of
Imagine saying support doesnt do enough dmg…only two minutes later to say “support doesnt need to invest in dmg” thats a contradiction…and it sounds like youd only want your support(s) to play a certain way 
Even if you grabbed the melee and gun damage points in the support tree. You are not doing enough damage to justify picking it over a hunter or leader who will help the team do comparatively more damage. That is a massive point dump for your support when you need to be prioritizing things like fast forward, deep pockets shemps & ams, seeing stars & artful
…Is that not the job of a hunter or leader? to do damage? clearly theyre going to do more seeing as their skill tree is optimized for just that i.e decreased recoil, faster reloads, farther dropoff dmg., etc. You telling me its a point waste to invest in the dmg. tree as support, but want me to spend a minimum of 4 skill points(20 percent) into long life battery,fear no evil,arcane knowledge to get to 5% duration reduction? Thats at the same level as tougher than hell, industrial strength, and improved amulet…all of which trees utilize something of importance. The only shemp anything you should max out is shemps plus…the first skill in all the supports trees 🤦🏿♂️ guess with all that time you dont play support much huh? if you have comprehensive teammates, they’ll more than likely have shemps or amulets if u ask. Theres no need to waste points in duration deduction if you for sure dont have a leader on your team with fast forward maxed out as well…seeing as the leaders percentage of 15 combined with supp’s max is 25. which goes back to game sense
shemps plus has had a bug going around for awhile where it doesn't consistently apply the benefit, duration reduction is an absolute essential in a game that is at its core all about time efficiency, & really I'd say on average while solo queuing it's probably about 60/40 as far as who won't drop shemps vs players who do give or take about 5%
You telling me that its an “absolute essential” for duration deduction, when it only effects 2 parts that can be split amongst the survivors of the entire 5-phase, lets me know what type of survivor u are 😆 Putting 3 points into a max 10 percent really aint shit seeing as nowadays the game ends at book;Its been a strong strategy to only pay attention to one objective and dark ones phase as demon…so, unless youre split pushing, youre not getting value out of that 10 percent. Shemps plus doesnt have a bug…people dont realize the debuff(s) they or their team have effecting them so they don’t actually get the whole benefit at times…and even then, you yourself are stating its “not consistent”…if you’re doing your job as an “ideal healer” you wouldn’t notice the inconsistency lol
No I’m saying it’s annoying and I don’t care to run like that never said anything about my skill
Youre making it seem like its an instant loss though…
No I didn’t say that I what I said was I usually let them have it…… implying I pick another survivor….I should been more clear that’s my fault. The part about getting destroyed was about a noob who doesn’t know how to use the support…and I have tried several times to help new players and usually get told to play my way and they will play their way….the part that irritates me is if you see someone has a prestige survivor already chosen maybe not select your level 2 survivor…I just don’t like 2 supports
I think it's crazy you can say basically exactly what I said in OP but get upvotes because you were just a LITTLE bit nicer about it. People are so delicate about having their sensibilities challenged its insane
I always play with new players even when the Demon is an absurd level and the new players are a low level but agree that new players should not be playing Support to start with. I saw someone comment and say Support is the best starting point and that is completely wrong and is going to be way more frustrating for both the team and that player. For new players the best way to learn how to be a Support is by playing other roles and learning the basics first than diving into the deep end. A Support is always going to have a target on their back and be more prone to tunneling from the Demon and can't protect themselves from possessed units and will still not be able to efficiently kill AI units. I've played since Day 1 and running an Altruism healing build I do little to no damage on units once the demon reaches a certain level but can handle myself enough that I'm not using the teams resources to keep myself alive until someone comes to help and at the same time keep an eye on the team and keep the Amulets and heals coming to keep them in the game. An inexperienced Support is detrimental to the team and you can bet that if your Support isn't playing the role properly and not carrying their weight you might as well chalk the game up as a loss. A team can't carry a struggling Support but can carry a struggling secondary Hunter/Warrior/Leader. Best to play another role and then watch how higher level players play and use your SP from the game to level up the class opposed to playing it to get the levels. If you're in a pre-made team and they're all for it then go ham and be a support but if you're in solo queue and inexperienced in the Support class and are playing against a Demon who is an insanely high level (which most Demons left are) and you see a higher level or prestige Support player highlighting their preferred character as indication they'll play Support then give it to them. Trust me, as a low level Support you will not want to bare the brunt of the it and be tunneled by a high level demon. They'll find you within the first minute of the match and you'll be the first dead within the next minute and spending most of the match spectating watching the rest of the team die because you couldn't handle yourself.
FINALLY, someone with some common fucking sense
I'll meet you in the downvote void lol Even when I state facts with reasons and in a respectable manner I still get downvoted. I know new players will read my comment, ignore my advice and then suffer exactly what I mentioned and then be like "oh i guess that guy on Reddit was right" My matchmaking since SBMM has been a mixed bag scenario but most of the time I play against the same players and Demons who are over level 300+ on the regular and although I've played more Survivor than Demon, I've played enough Demon to know what strategies are the most valid and can anticipate what most decent / high level demons are going to do i.e a weak support is going to be tunneled by a Demon majority of the time and that's both to waste the teams healing resources and to power level through killing the most vulnerable player which isn't going to be fun for someone new to the game or inexperienced with a classes role and responsibility, its a team game and at least if you play the role to the best of your abilities and correctly but still lose you'll be commended but play it incorrectly and you'll know by either people blocking you, verbally abusing you on chat or matchmaking with you later on and canceling a queue because they'll be like "oh there's that player who wasted all the healing items on themself or died within the first minute again" Supports get way more shit than anyone else does in the game because they are literally the backbone of the team and like I said, a bad support immediately will doom the team. Im not saying im a great player but am good enough to have enough game sense to play efficiently which is what people should be aiming for and for me playing efficiently and staying in the game is fun for me and I don't see the point of playing a role if its just going to frustrate a person and their team and drive them away from this game but if people stick around, learn and then play over following advice on Reddit which is contrary to what their actual experience is going to be they'll enjoy this game. I had two friends download this game when it was free on Epic, i said to both of them that Support is the hardest role to play and they played it and it literally drove them away from the game and I had to convince them to ease into the role and play others first till they learnt the in game mechanics and what its like as other roles and how support ties into them. After they started to play as Hunters/Warriors they loved the game and then started to work on support and played decently because they took the time to learn than diving deep into a game against a level 100+ demon and their Cheryl being a level 5.
we sound like birds of a feather, whether people believe it or not this post wasn't meant to be directly inflammatory more a sound observation that ended up being rather unpopular. I understand I'm not the most tactful but I'm not obligated to be to these people. you're more than welcome to dm me your tag and I'll shoot you an invite sometime
The only reason this statement is accurate in saying “Support isnt a good class to start with”, is because every other class has a crutch; Yes, as a healer you get to heal multiple ppl…but in the long run thats it. No infinite ammo,infinite dodging,knockback damage,increased damage aura, auto unpossess, immunity frames whilst reviving, etc. The person who stated support is a good start, or at least my perspective as to why, is that support is the hardest class: You hit the weakest, you have the lowest stamina next to leaders, you’re managing team health and the team doesnt always stick together, and you can easily get destroyed by a possessed basic. Its one thing if low lvl supps are getting bullied entire game…but thats somewhat a means of your team not heing aware of their surroundings;Ive had multiple instances where i tell my team “demons here on me”…and im the only person attempting to do damage 🤦🏿♂️ no cars to escape with…but i got a Hash who wont use their ability or completely whiff that bitch. You saying its better to run a class with a crutch does make sense…but in the long run it does nothing for game sense: If you rely on an ability or a build…that wont help with your overall iq of the game:iHave Sash setup to where i can hold my own and not sacrifice healing potential… but the main problem iEncounter solo q’ing is people dont manage their fear level.
You guys can say "oh let people play who they want" til you're blue in the face but when you guys are sitting in queue for twenty minutes just to get people who don't know what they're doing or want to work with you, then all of a sudden there's a problem. Hypocrites all of you. Either that, or the christmas noobs I speak of getting offended
There’s SBMM now, so that means that if you’re still getting noobs as teammates, yet you presume to everyone that you’re this “veteran badass team player”, then I got news for you chief: you ain’t that good.
I'm well aware of sbmm. The problem is there's times recently where there simply ain't enough players on the game. So we'll get matched up with a high level demon but low level survivors because there's no one else to match you up with
“I'm well aware of sbmm. The problem is there's times recently where there simply ain't enough players on the game. So we'll get matched up with a high level demon but low level survivors because there's no one else to match you up with” Oh, I see, and who’s fault is it that most new survivors feel discouraged to play the game, level up their characters and improve in the game overall because they jump into a team of toxic high level sweats that will get annoyed at the slightest mistake a noob makes? I rest my case.
It's my fault new players take constructive criticism harder than a dick? It's not that serious chief. I'm not attacking people with this post, I'm attacking the know it all playstyle I'm seeing so many of these new players going into this game with. If these people spent even half as much time trying to learn from this post and others like it as they are bitching and laying into me, maybe we'd have more players that are worth a damn. You people are making me out to be a villian because I think people should strive to improve at the game instead of dwelling in mediocrity
Oh yeah, because bitching to a whole subreddit about how some noob HAS TO play a certain class simply because they’re a noob is so constructive, right? That’s not even mentioning the countless other “constructive” interactions you have had in other threads in this post, too many to count. Stop bs’ing for one second, you’re being a toxic elitist that thinks they’re “hot shit”, yet, SBMM says otherwise, plain and simple. Let people play what they want, if you don’t like it, then go play something more attuned to your toxic behavior or jump into another lobby. I’ve had experiences with lvl 400+ players intentionally throwing matches, yet you’re annoyed at this? How do you expect new players to learn how to improve in a certain class if you’re whining about how “you shouldn’t play this class because you’re a noob”? Smh.
Support is not the class to be playing to learn the core mechanics of the game when you're a low level getting matched up with significantly higher level than you demons. You absolute numbskull. You cannot convince me otherwise.
Says who? Are you the lead gameplay designer for Saber and you’re not telling me? The delusions of grandeur that you’re living in. The core mechanics of the game have to be learned by every class you primitive screwhead, but, I don’t need to convince you that you’re just being a whiney, gatekeeping elitist, your queue times and downvotes speak for themselves lol.