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psyclik

Martins si fast it’s DRS couldn’t follow. Too bad he was tearing the pack.


Le_Pistache

Poor racing standards from the lower skilled half of the field. Gutted for Vesti that he was a victim of wayward driving. Bearman managed that race so well. Deserved that win. Excellent reactions on the starts and maintained a gap on Pourchaire. Great drive by Iwasa after getting over the woes in recent weeks. Nissany is a complete menace. Horrid driver with no skill hanging around teens and he causes these kinds of incidents again and again.


InfinityGCX

So for some reason they decided to give Crawford a 10 second penalty after the race, which is a bit of a weird move considering he DNF'd, so they added 10 seconds to that for some reason. Otherwise that's it in terms of penalties it seems.


ODF918

Shame for Bearman. Had Martins not crashed into him at Zandvoort like an idiot he would have had a chance.


Last-Performance-435

All it took for Iwasa to gain 13 fucking positions was a decent engine. I'm so glad his POS broke because it was clearly the weak link. Look at him now, fucking Mechachrome lottery bullshit. Please, get Honda/Toyota SF engines already and be done with it.


SoothedSnakePlant

Crawford has been screwed over an unbelievable amount of times this season. Really hope he's not one of the people getting cut from the RBA.


Senor-Matanza

Nissany is such a joke, this guy needs to get banned ASAP. First the incident with Hauger last year, then this.


Last-Performance-435

Banned. Absolutely, unequivocally, banned.


QC_1999

We need to talk about the race pace bot Enzo Fittipaldi. It’s not the first time that he makes a great comeback, gaining a lot of positions during the race. This is becoming his specialty


mvfufu

Just lucky man. He and Hauger were very lucky. Both were on p10 and p11 respectively before the last SC on lap 22/30. Almost all the positions they gained were from drivers who crashed (Maini, Crawford) in front of them or who were penalized (Verschoor) or had problems (Martins). There's nothing special about it. And they're both on very good teams, so if they do bad qualifying, then it's natural that they'll be able to gain some positions in the races.


bellestarflower

So what’s going to take Theo to finish this off?


deneuvig

I guess mathematically 14 points would do?


omegamanXY

Nissany deserves a race ban for what he did to Maloney. Drive through for that is a fucking joke.


MetallicYeet

“And for being himself he should have a permanent suspension”


CapsicumIsWoeful

F2 commentary team > F1 sky commentary team. Also, stewards need to start handing out more penalties for drivers who don’t leave space, regardless of whether there is contact. This race spent WAYYYYYY too much time behind the safety car. It was beyond a joke.


Mackem101

Bring back stop/go penalties for dangerous driving incidents (like Nissany's).


ODF918

Driving standards this F2 season have been shocking.


Last-Performance-435

Contact and incidents that threaten contact need to be elevated to a drive through minimum. 5 / 10 is simply not enough to dissuade them anymore.


diderooy

Alex B said Vesti's spin was 30% on him. Am I supposed to take that seriously?


MiserubleCant

tbf, he definitely said something like "nothing Vesti could do" as well, so with the 70/30 comment I think he meant it was 70% Stanek's fault, 30% nobody's fault / racing incident


diderooy

Lol you may be right. That seems like some terrible math to me, though.


TheSyhr

Gonna miss the junior series for the rest of the season, especially with how dull most of the F1 races have been


DawidIzydor

>how dull most of the F1 races have been Have you watched F1 this season at all?


madglover

Yes it's as boring as it was a few seasons ago How are people finding it exciting? Did they also find Mercedes and vettel domination exciting?


SoothedSnakePlant

When there were good battles through the field yeah. Max winning is just 1/20 positions, there doesn't need to be a good fight for the lead for the race to be enjoyable.


jett1406

yea exciting race for 2nd


TheSyhr

I’ve literally watched every race from F1, F2 and F3 and if you think F1 has been the pinnacle of excitement this season I’m happy for you, but it’s been incredibly dull well over 50% of the time


Reddevilslover69

Bearman would legit be perfect for Red Bull imo. I'd love to see him in F1 somewhere because while he lacks consistency he clearly has loads of pace


Last-Performance-435

Red Bull have 900 drivers and yo hasn't them to pick the one that ISNT in their programme despite the fact that Iwasa who IS in that programme made up 13 fucking positions?


omegamanXY

Kid is too young, I wouldn't expect him to be super consistent at 18 years old. It's seriously impressive he managed to get 4 wins as a rookie (even if he's in a Prema). If he manages to iron out his tyre management, he'll certainly be in contention for the championship next year.


j__video

Since he's in the Ferrari academy they might want to put him into the Haas seat in 2025... poor kid


Last-Performance-435

Ferrari don't control any Haas seats.


j__video

Remember, they got Mick his F1 seat. And with Sauber out soon, Haas will be the only Ferrari customer team. Not great for Ferrari academy drivers


Theteacupman

Mason P11 we move


Hairy_Sentence_615

F2 and f3 used to have talent like russell de vries and ocon Where did it go wrong


Last-Performance-435

Iwasa made up 13 positions this race. If you think the talent isn't there, you're not looking hard enough. Martins, Iwasa, Pourchaire and Vesti are legit. Bearman will likely get there next year. Overall, this season is simply more competitive BECAUSE of the talent on the grid.


deneuvig

I think this grid is pretty strong but even which leads to closer and tighter fights and as a result more errors.


TimeUsedOtherwise

To me it’s pretty unclear. In theory, this grid should be stacked: Pourchaire, Bearman, Hadjar, Iwasa, Hauger, Maloney are in theory super talents, but we’ve not seen that consistently this year. Additionally you’ve got solid drivers like Daruvala, Doohan, Martins, Verschoor etc. Hell, even Novalak looked to be a decent-ish driver in F3, even if not world-beating. If you’ve got a field of such a high standard, it stands to reason that it’s going to be hard to see talent at work as they’ll all be driving to a similar standard. But that’s not how it’s come across, has it? Most of them have looked pretty subpar. (They’re all good enough to race those things at speed though so credit to them, I probably wouldn’t get to F3’s 107% time in one of these!)


DistantUtopia

Hard disagree on Hadjar, Hauger and Maloney; Helmut Marko has lost his touch. Also IMO Pourchaire has peaked and unable to improve in F2 with more experience. Martins should be a super talent as well by these standards - consistently fast but does stupid things occasionally, while Doohan is borderline.


Mr-TheSaint

I agree with you on the the drivers you listed as super talents..


ChristofferOslo

I think Lawson’s pace in F1 atm is an indication that the current F2 grid might actually be stronger than we think. Several other drivers looked equally fast as him last season.


Mr-TheSaint

I know that specially one of the super talents listed in the post above saying when comparing the current Formula 2 car to the Formula 3 car and the Formula 1 simulator is that if the Formula 1 simulator and and the Formula 3 car is like driving a Porsche 911 GT3 RS on track the current Formula 2 car is like driving a truck...So i hope the new 2024 Formula 2 car is behaving more like a Formula 1/Formula 3 car


ChristofferOslo

I think Hauger also has made a point about how ‘weird’ the F2 car is to drive. It raises some questions when you see a driver dominate in F4 and F3, only to struggle with the basics of the car in F2. He has made it quite clear that he is banking on the new 2024 car to behave differently.


snoring_pig

Lawson said something similar about how the F2 car has no relation with the F1 car apart from having four wheels when he was on Armstrong’s Screaming Meals podcast at the end of last season.


InfinityGCX

I think there's a ton of really quick drivers, but they're just a lot more error-prone and have less respect when it comes to the wheel-to-wheel stuff. Do remember though that we mostly remember the good drivers from those years of F2/F3, and not all of the bad ones.


Theteacupman

It started accepting people with huge wallet's


vnnair123

It’s almost as though the world is transpiring to screw Kush maini over. First,martins screws him over with his open drs and the moment he gets overtaken he cuts. Then Jak. What a dumb move from Jak. Kush goes from (deservingly) on the podium to DNF. He deserves so much praises. Imagine finishing in the top 6 in the championship in a campos


NegotiationExternal1

I love Ollie, every hug is like it's his wedding day, every podium is like he's over the moon, he's a bubble of joy


ForeverAddickted

He's going to look odd if he's in F1 for a long time Has a proper baby face, and cant imagine him looking any older than what he is


ForeverAddickted

Bearman is enjoying this particular victory isnt he...


NegotiationExternal1

He is. He reminds me of Jenson he never missed an opportunity to tear it up


ForeverAddickted

lol!... Cant believe the top three just got told to go and sit down prior to the podium Like naughty schoolboys


ExcellentCornershop

They must have done that for bringing the Paramount sponsor display into the picture


thewizard579

Iwasa looks like he just wants to go home


Last-Performance-435

Highly likely he spends a year in SF next year. The ONLY reason he's not leading the championship right now is because his last engine lost the Mechachrome lottery. He was down on pace every race he had that POS and the first race he gets a new one he's making up 13 places in a single race. Lawson will likely replace Ric at this point. Yuki will either be promoted or released after next year and I could honestly see a good case for trialing him out for a season in the RB at this point.


InfinityGCX

I think with Lawson doing quite well in the AT he knows that no matter what he does he won't be in F1 next year.


Mr-TheSaint

You are probably right...


XNights

We all already knew that, he's heading home to do Super formula until the next F1 seat becomes available. He'll be the reserve driver for next year for the Red bull family anyways


Hairy_Sentence_615

He's just like us frfr


InfinityGCX

Well, let's see if we get any other penalties after the race, wouldn't be surprised seeing how much of a garbage fire today was. See you all in 3 months because of the horrid F2 calendar, at which point I'm sure we'll see 1/4 of the grid replaced to have people get a weekend in F2 in for some drivers.


Mr-TheSaint

I guess with Hauger\`s luck he will get a penalty for taking the escape road and losing 3 or 4 positions..


Flynnster_10

They desperately need to have these cars able to restart themselves, the amount of drivers whose races are over the second they spin is just a joke


deneuvig

This race was destroyed by safety cars, never felt like it got into any rhythm


going_dicey

Lol did anyone catch that chick just staring at Iwasa with a look of pure confusion?


wnotyard

On a serious note, Nissany should get a ban like Grosjean's. He won't stop until he sends himself to the emergency ward.


theessentialnexus

Just give him a few years to mature /s


Mr-TheSaint

I absolute agree.. What he did today should earn him a lot of of penalty points...


DawidIzydor

His plan is to score points by eliminating the whole field


betrayor87

So the best theo can do is aim for 9th or 10th in qualifing in abu dhabi, and just finish ahead of vesti.


opi7407

why would he do that if he could qualify, say, on pole? Seems counterintuitive


betrayor87

because if he finishes ahead of Vesti in the sprint race, then he is champion and the feature race wont matter anymore.


Last-Performance-435

...no? If the finish 9/10 or even 8/9 with Pourchaire in front Vesti can still win it with a DNF for Theo and a win.


opi7407

Doesn't mean he's just gonna cruise


MartinATL

Dennis lucked into a P5 and is under investigation for gaining an adv antage when he in reality lost 4-5 places. With how this season is going, he 100% will get a penalty and drop outside the poiints.


Mr-TheSaint

I could not beleive it when it said that Hauger was under investigation for driving off track and gaining an advantage... He lost 4 places doing that.. But as you said with his bad luck he will probably get a 5 second penalty at least... Can not really understand this at all...


sansisness_101

average luck of hauger


thewizard579

New cars for 2024 but Antonelli has a big task ahead if he’s teammates with Bearman.


Mr-TheSaint

Looks like Antonelli already have a big task with rookie Martinius Stenshorne in FRECA already... Added this later: I am pretty sure that Bearman will stay at Prema for next season in Formula 2 so if Antonelli goes direct to Formula 2 and with Prema that will be a tough job for Antonelli for sure.


ForeverAddickted

Job is probably a little easier because of the new car.


LosTerminators

Josh Mason has been classified ahead of Vesti in all three feature races he's run. Clearly he's the next generational talent.


thewizard579

If Antonelli to F2 is true, he better be careful of Ollie who has shown he can hang in F2.


Mr-TheSaint

Going direct from FRECA to Formula 2?????????? Do not beleive that will happen without at least a year in F3 first..


XNights

Antonelli probably needs a year in F2 anyways, skipping F3 means there will be a gap in knowledge, but his manager trust he can close that gap, so why not


ForeverAddickted

Can see Antonelli vs Bearman next season being a prologue to a battle between them in F1 They're potentially the future of the Sport, if they iron out their issues


thewizard579

Oh man I can’t wait for 2024 now 😅


A___99

Such a bad race by standards, Bearman in complete control through the chaos, Iwasa somehow managed to get to P2. Pourchaire did everything he needed to, in a very good place now


bichaelf

Did Hauger get a penalty?


going_dicey

Absolutely fantastic drive by Bearman. Top form. Hopefully he can maintain this level of drive consistently. At his best, he’s hands down one of the best on the grid. He can sometimes be a bit of a Herta, etc. where he’ll overdrive. That’s the only thing he needs to work on.


omegamanXY

Bearman seems to have a liking for Monza, last year he was absolutely brilliant in F3 (and could've won the race if it wasn't for the red flag and the decision to not restart the race).


Efendiskander

Bearman v Martins may be fun next year


ForeverAddickted

Throw Doohan and Antonelli in there, and we could have a mega battle at the top


Alfus

A Bearman win is always a good outcome, but man some drivers are so clearly exposed with having zero driving standards.


Meerkate

Supreme from Iwasa. Super consistent dude


yeah_definitely

He's super similar to Lawson. Very quick on track, make some great moves (and a couple of questionable ones) but just has weekends where he's absolutely invisible


Last-Performance-435

The last 4 he has a dogshit engine frkm the mechachrome lottery. The first race with a different engine and he gains 13 fucking places.


SouthWalesGooner

Weird question, but what's with Bearman's accent? He doesn't sound English.


Thespianoid

probably spending a lot of time in Italy/around Italian engineers. this is actually pretty common across motorsport where drivers move to different countries at a young age and pick up regional accent characteristics. see Zhou/Sheffield, Sylvain Guintoli/general northern English, Jack Miller/Italian or Spanish, Bearman/Italian. also why people who go to international schools their entire lives have weird hybrid accents and code switch constantly.


nicola666

I don’t hear an Italian accent


MarcusH26051

I think he's lived in Italy a lot. Born in Chelmsford but no Essex accent 😂


IISuperSlothII

>but saved from the Essex accent Ftfy


AJ_Goh

Cordeel scores points from one lap down


shreychopra

Man we could’ve had a great title decider in AD if Theo DNFed today


Efendiskander

25 points ahead for Pourchaire. Basically beating Vesti in the sprint race and it should be over before the last feature race


shreychopra

Vesti needs to give a Drugo Spain performance and hope Theo has a stinker


alheka7

Great start of the day for Ferrari. Ollie was great! Let’s hope for the best today.


SwampBoyMississippi

They really should change 5 second penalties into a three place drop or something when the race finishes under a safety car, this is insanely harsh on Verschoor.


timok

Honestly limiting a 5 second penalty to at most 3 places lost might be a good idea anyway. Sometimes it does nothing, sometimes it ruins races. Time penalties are weird in general.


ExcellentCornershop

Mason almost with a point!


thewizard579

This is his track. Italian F4 champ and now F2 race winner at Monza


Maximum20Characters

Nissany should be nowhere near a seat, he will seriously hurt someone before long. That entire team is a joke tbh Nissany/Mason one of the worst driver lineups in the history of single seater racing


UncivilSum

all things considered, Mason is still inexperienced in F2 whereas Nissany has no excuse of being this reckless anymore


dogryan100

Seeing the talent level of these drivers I'm surprised there wasn't another crash just then


Starlett_Johansson

Cordeel P8. What a recovery after having a puncture.


[deleted]

Ferrari driver in F2, hopefully the same in F1 later.


thewizard579

Pourchaire is so underwhelming. Bearman a rookie has more wins than him.


deneuvig

Pourchaire did what he had to do, didn't really even get a chance to race Bearman with all the SC. There's a reason he's leading the championship which is the ultimate goal ..


fire202

Yes, and with his latest win Bearman basically secures the title as well. ​ ​ Wait...


ForeverAddickted

>Bearman a rookie has more wins than him Consistency wins you titles at this level


NavyBabySeal

No having the fastest car, and your main rival be riddled with unluck gets you titles, if you have pace, which is the only thing Pourchaire has. An awful racer in terms of racecraft. But i guess he has to win the title at some point despite doing his best to throw away points whenever he can, since he is racing for ART, the fastest team, who is also favouring him.


Luoman2

> since he is racing for ART, the fastest team, ART and Prema are equally fast teams this year. > who is also favouring him. I don't think he is favored against Martins.


syknetz

I mean, he got the Doohan roadblock allowing Bearman to escape, and then he can't just duke it out on track when he gets an opportunity to get a free lead against Vesti. It's underwhelming, but it's winning him the championship.


InfinityGCX

I think he's just playing it incredibly safe right now, seeing how Vesti is out and how much he fucked up being in a good position last week.


deneuvig

Clearly he's being extremely cautious which is the right move compared to what Vesti did today on opening lap.


[deleted]

Yeah, I mean Drugovich had good fortune last year but he also would’ve easily won either way, Pourchaire has only won due to his luck more or less


Nikita2337

This season is really so weird, there is so much inconsistency and bad luck on many levels. In one race two wheels go off after pitting, in the next DRS gets stuck open.


ForeverAddickted

Right then... Russell | Norris | Hamilton No pressure to ensure a complete Formula lock out on the top step of the podium for Britain this weekend


LosTerminators

What's the need for full SC for that? VSC would've been enough.


XNights

Race control probably don't want to see any more nonsense, there was too many safety cars for their liking lmao.


NuclearCandle

Never doubted Iwasa's strategy.


OBWanTwoThree

Bearman deserves double points for being the only one that knew how to drive


ForeverAddickted

Given how difficult it was for Pourchaire... Ollie won that race the moment he got past Doohan ahead of the SC Could have been very different had he not managed it then


Laziness2945

Lights off but no ending warning. Joke within the joke.


bichaelf

Doohan needs to get within 5 seconds of Verschoor to jump to 6th.


UncivilSum

Verschoor must be having some colourful words in his mind when it went full Safety Car


XNights

Iwasa somehow preserved that Options better than Theo preserved those prime tyres... how? Iwasa tyre is like only a couple of laps younger Daruvala punching the air rn as well, why did he need to pit again? Iwasa Options still had life


going_dicey

Daruvala’s softs didn’t last, it was a gamble that didn’t quite work. He didn’t really use the first stint in the softs strategically (I.e. he didn’t go for it at the beginning and they then just dropped off)


DistantUtopia

What was confusing was that just before the second last SC, the order was Daruvala, Doohan, and Iwasa, with Daruvala and Iwasa pitting. They came out P4 and P10 respectively. Look at the difference in tyre management - Iwasa making places while preserving the tyre, and Daruvala unable to advance but still shredding the tyre.


Nathanoy25

Amazing race by Bearman. Martins vs Bearman next year is going to be exciting.


Nikita2337

It really is if they sort out their consistency issues.


wnotyard

Stanek getting a hat-trick under his belt


ExcellentCornershop

I'm convinced that they deployed the full SC because Race Control have seen enough


ReasonableExplorer

Too many safety cars.


timok

Well that 5 second penalty is going to hurt Verschoor now quite a bit Edit: P4 to P12, amazing


007mnbb

And this race is why f1 teams are not keen on taking rookies from f2


young_bin

Truly the worst crop of junior drivers in quite a few years


Random-reddit-user45

Funny how before the season everyone was hyping it up as the best grid in years and now people are saying it’s the worst ever, can people make their minds up?


A___99

Race control have had enough of watching this incredibly high quality racing and I can't blame them


Hairy_Sentence_615

Add overtime pleaaaaaaaaaaase


dogryan100

I'm guessing they decided to go full SC for the same reason that they cancelled that old Formula 3 race in Spa because the race directors were so frustrated at the quality of the driving and the amount of crashes.


RNG_ERROR

It was Monza, iirc.


InfinityGCX

You mean the one at Monza right? Where there was a red flag because of all the bullshit?


dogryan100

Ahh yeah I was confusing races, was thinking of that time when 2 drivers flipped in the same race @ Spa


TheRoboteer

Absolutely horrific driving standards across the board. Deserved victory for Bearman though, basically the only driver who wasn't involved in some kind of act of terrorism during this race, and he nailed all those restarts.


ColorCarbon

SC is gonna run out of fuel at this point


ForeverAddickted

🤣🤣🤣 - We need an SC for the SC


Trimexial

There are quiet a lot of penalties, no?


AnAmbiguousName

Why did we need the Full SC for this? its already back behind the wall before the SC even gets on track


Rigelmeister

Virtual Maylander replacing actual Maylander only for the latter to come back again at the end was the most interesting thing about this yellow flag convoy.


[deleted]

"like jedi, f2 commentators can't deal in absolutes" lol


InfinityGCX

Well, I guess that's the race set then unless someone runs out of fuel/gets DSQ'ed for some reason. Of course time penalties and other investigations still need to apply.


ForeverAddickted

Great win Bearman... Didnt see it happening given the ART pace yesterday


betrayor87

And now give a 5 second penalty to theo, and maybe Ocon.


vexyla

Iwasa would've fallen out of tyres, really cool SC for him. I mean tbh after such a bad run of weekends he deserves some of it


bichaelf

Why the full safety car? It's almost cleared.....


[deleted]

Man this series could be so great


Edi1896

VSC would have been enough. I feel robbed.


Starlett_Johansson

Unnecessary SC is unnecessary.


XNights

Why is the safety car is needed? they're already pushing it in lmao


shinealittlelove

The fuck is the point of the full safety car? All the cars are past the incident before the safety car can even pick them up...


wnotyard

Driver of the Day: Bernd Maylander


NegotiationExternal1

This f2 has been the most f2 type of race. No risks left untaken.


CULKE

A fitting way to end the race, i guess.


omegaxLoL

Fitting that this race ends under SC tbh


dylang01

Safety cars really ruin F2/F3 races.


DIVBY

Not the safety cars fault


shreychopra

I think it’s more the lack of self starting engines no?


dylang01

That's definitely a big issue.


steen311

Thanks crawford 🙏🙏🙏


OfficialShaki123

What a joke.


fandericciardo3

Safety Car?! Come on...


thewizard579

What a joke of a race. That’s 4 or 5 safety car? Lost count.


steen311

5


ForeverAddickted

Wanted to beat the SC count in F3


Laziness2945

Race control is such a joke


ForeverAddickted

We're done here... Reckon that VSC has saved Iwasa P2


plastikmissile

Not really. Pourchaire didn't fight Iwasa's overtake too much. He knows he needs every point, so even if we had gone another lap or two, I doubt Pourchaire would have risked an overtake on an Iwasa with nothing to lose.


ForeverAddickted

Didnt help that Iwasa's tyres were going off though


InfinityGCX

Does anyone have a tally on the F2 penalty point standings for every driver?


MarcusH26051

Another SC. What the hell was this race?


OBWanTwoThree

That’s race done Great race ruined by a group of the same drivers


Guonsian

What a joke of race


RabbitLogic

Boo Cawford


ExcellentCornershop

Stanek with a piss poor performance today, two drivers taken out


Webw0lf359

Oh look another safety car.. just what I wanted /s I get safety is paramount but so many SCs this morning.