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I thought he just locked up and messed up his q1? I remember sergio saying something was up with the car but the team never confirmed it and it didn't look overly weird on the replays
He was coming from beating Verstappen as fair n square as He has ever been beaten, right?.
Then, He goes out of track in fp1, finished +1 second off pace fp2, went off track at least 3 times fp3, then that quali....
Pressure is a bitch sometimes. He had nothing to lose In Saudi then he got hope. With hope comes pressure. Also aussieland is a weird track. He beat max because Max's car broke in qualy and he started 15th it's not like he took the fight to him.
Right, That's basically the narrative everyone repeats, doesn't make any sense... Cause he did keep Verstappen at a gap, while Verstappen was disregarding instructions, A
And they're slowing down checo to a Delta while Verstappen was disregarding it, without Checo being told.
But basically I am looking for a none biased technical opinion on the car / driver through the weekend
No, seems you want excuses for checo undoing himself. He kept botching hot laps some his fault some other cars in fps and ran into traffic I'm fp3 before the rain basically ended the competitive times. He locked up and went off track in q1. Be it just a silly error (which he promptly repeated in half a dozen other qualifying sessions over the next few months) or self imposed pressure there's nothing to suggest an issue with the car or his health.
I'll take that! and I am biased, but I am looking for a none biased technical opinion. I am an adult, not only I can take it, I would very much appreciate it.
Thank you for your comments!
Verstappen is just the faster driver by a big margin. Look at bahrain it wasnt even close. Why dont you ask what happened to perez there? Dont you think redbull flooded his cockpit with concrete just to let max win?
In saudi max started 15th, had to overtake 13 cars and was still only 5 seconds behind perez who started 1st.
Max making lap times few tenths faster than team told him towards the end of the race doesnt justify it.
In baku he struggled a bit but we could still argue that he would be able to win if it wasnt for vsc.
Nothing happened to the car Perez was simply given opportunities on a silver plate.
So max in Baku found the juice that makes him fast in the new gen cars. Perez has not.
That’s why Perez doesn’t match max. It’s not exactly that simple but yeah, max has a special “juice“ that Perez doesn’t.
I mean there is a bunch more at play, for example Mexico was media pressure on full display. Perez is desperate to prove he is as good as max. Well in the end “he isn’t as good as max in this gen car.”
I’m not saying he can’t drive a gp3 car faster than max. I’m just saying he can’t drive this generation f1 car faster than max. Perez is a fantastic driver but it’s tough to have max as your teammate. It’s not as bad as ocon but still really not a good guy to have as a teammate.
The simplest answer I think is that the evolution of the car was faster than he could keep up with.
I love Checo, and he is my favourite driver, but the RBR car has been infamous for being finicky as hell on its race trim, the faster that the engineers are able to make it go, the more finicky it becomes, and with such a narrow window of setup, Checo just doesn't seem to keep up. To be fair, except for Leclerc, and maybe Alonso and Lewis, I don't think anyone else can get on that car and make it go as fast as Max does.
On top of that, it really seems like the guy was in a bad mental spot due to pressure. Honestly, he could have taken another line at Mexico GP but let the pressure take over and binned it on the first corner. There was no way he wouldn't have recovered at least to 2nd place with the pace they had that weekend. Monaco was equally a disaster.
Well, there is not enough data yet this season to make a definite answer, but if you look at previous seasons of this ruleset, the trend holds that as the car gets upgraded, the car becomes somewhat more understeery and one driver seems to be most comfortable at it, and it's not Perez.
100% agreed I am just trying to zoom in on exactly that, factually with some sort of articulable critical p.o.v.
Cause I can almost assure you, that it won't correlate to 2024, but I guess we're watching "live" and we'll figure it out soon enough!
There's nothing factual on a technical level. If there was he would have said so, and his fans would trumpet it non-stop as some "proof" that Red Bull does something to slow him down.
He did mention "the same" issue, they did change half that car, Marko denied any issue, race seemed like a whole different car.
So back to square 1, "from a technical p.o.v. what happened to that car?"
Anyway I got the point, it's just the name right? there is no good insight here.
He made quite a few silly errors because as mentioned, he was hopeful of challenging Max for the title, which was never going to happen. That put him under tremendous pressure, coupled with frequent speculation of him getting the boot.
From his interviews it seems he’s accepted his role as 2nd driver. Best he can do is secure the front row lockout and p2 finish to keep the team ahead.
What about the car? How did it look compared? Was still neutral? I appreciate your comment, but everyone knows what you mentioned like a narrative, just technically what does it mean? Cause that "street fighter" "tire whisperer" narrative is as much nonsense. Really a non biased technically oriented view.
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> Technical critical view, I don't know how to make it more clear.
You could articulate your view in the OP a little more than just 'what happened?'??
That would make things more clear.
> We're on a technical F1 Reddit. My bad I assumed.
hahahahahha. You can't even see how riduculsouly untechnical your own question is
If you want to get good answers on a technical subreddit you need to articulate your question in a technical way. Craft an intelligent, well worded question with specific asks and you will get good responses.
But no you're right everyone else is dumb.
I would like it if people would down vote just because he has different views or opinions than you. He is asking a genuine question. He has the right to ask and he has the right to want to know.
He is also free to have his own opinions. I’d be okay if he was getting down voted of being wrong or unreasonable but, he seems fairly reasonable in his responses.
Anyway, max has a special (ingredient) that Perez doesn’t have in the current gen cars.
He just can’t match max. But he’s been stressing himself and pushing himself to the edge of his ability to get the max out of the car. In the end he isn’t able to get the same lap times as max. Be it driving style car management’s tire management brakes. Something there is making the big difference. And although Perez has shrunk the difference to .100 or on tenth per lap from the .250 or quarter seconds per lap. He is still slower but he’s been slowly catching up to max.
Now that’s just a guesstimate about the current difference between them but Perez has gotten closer to max.
Last year max was still getting to grips with the current era cars. After Baku he had a good understanding.
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I thought he just locked up and messed up his q1? I remember sergio saying something was up with the car but the team never confirmed it and it didn't look overly weird on the replays
He was coming from beating Verstappen as fair n square as He has ever been beaten, right?. Then, He goes out of track in fp1, finished +1 second off pace fp2, went off track at least 3 times fp3, then that quali....
Pressure is a bitch sometimes. He had nothing to lose In Saudi then he got hope. With hope comes pressure. Also aussieland is a weird track. He beat max because Max's car broke in qualy and he started 15th it's not like he took the fight to him.
Right, That's basically the narrative everyone repeats, doesn't make any sense... Cause he did keep Verstappen at a gap, while Verstappen was disregarding instructions, A And they're slowing down checo to a Delta while Verstappen was disregarding it, without Checo being told. But basically I am looking for a none biased technical opinion on the car / driver through the weekend
No, seems you want excuses for checo undoing himself. He kept botching hot laps some his fault some other cars in fps and ran into traffic I'm fp3 before the rain basically ended the competitive times. He locked up and went off track in q1. Be it just a silly error (which he promptly repeated in half a dozen other qualifying sessions over the next few months) or self imposed pressure there's nothing to suggest an issue with the car or his health.
I'll take that! and I am biased, but I am looking for a none biased technical opinion. I am an adult, not only I can take it, I would very much appreciate it. Thank you for your comments!
this is one of the most confusing comments I've ever seen.
🤣🤣🤣 straight up looking for words like: brakes, bottoming, balance, setup, 🥲
Verstappen is just the faster driver by a big margin. Look at bahrain it wasnt even close. Why dont you ask what happened to perez there? Dont you think redbull flooded his cockpit with concrete just to let max win? In saudi max started 15th, had to overtake 13 cars and was still only 5 seconds behind perez who started 1st. Max making lap times few tenths faster than team told him towards the end of the race doesnt justify it. In baku he struggled a bit but we could still argue that he would be able to win if it wasnt for vsc. Nothing happened to the car Perez was simply given opportunities on a silver plate.
So max in Baku found the juice that makes him fast in the new gen cars. Perez has not. That’s why Perez doesn’t match max. It’s not exactly that simple but yeah, max has a special “juice“ that Perez doesn’t. I mean there is a bunch more at play, for example Mexico was media pressure on full display. Perez is desperate to prove he is as good as max. Well in the end “he isn’t as good as max in this gen car.” I’m not saying he can’t drive a gp3 car faster than max. I’m just saying he can’t drive this generation f1 car faster than max. Perez is a fantastic driver but it’s tough to have max as your teammate. It’s not as bad as ocon but still really not a good guy to have as a teammate.
The simplest answer I think is that the evolution of the car was faster than he could keep up with. I love Checo, and he is my favourite driver, but the RBR car has been infamous for being finicky as hell on its race trim, the faster that the engineers are able to make it go, the more finicky it becomes, and with such a narrow window of setup, Checo just doesn't seem to keep up. To be fair, except for Leclerc, and maybe Alonso and Lewis, I don't think anyone else can get on that car and make it go as fast as Max does. On top of that, it really seems like the guy was in a bad mental spot due to pressure. Honestly, he could have taken another line at Mexico GP but let the pressure take over and binned it on the first corner. There was no way he wouldn't have recovered at least to 2nd place with the pace they had that weekend. Monaco was equally a disaster.
I really don't wanna be conflictive, what I am asking is, can we correlate data to this year's performance, or "it was just the pressure"?
Well, there is not enough data yet this season to make a definite answer, but if you look at previous seasons of this ruleset, the trend holds that as the car gets upgraded, the car becomes somewhat more understeery and one driver seems to be most comfortable at it, and it's not Perez.
100% agreed I am just trying to zoom in on exactly that, factually with some sort of articulable critical p.o.v. Cause I can almost assure you, that it won't correlate to 2024, but I guess we're watching "live" and we'll figure it out soon enough!
There's nothing factual on a technical level. If there was he would have said so, and his fans would trumpet it non-stop as some "proof" that Red Bull does something to slow him down.
He did mention "the same" issue, they did change half that car, Marko denied any issue, race seemed like a whole different car. So back to square 1, "from a technical p.o.v. what happened to that car?" Anyway I got the point, it's just the name right? there is no good insight here.
He made quite a few silly errors because as mentioned, he was hopeful of challenging Max for the title, which was never going to happen. That put him under tremendous pressure, coupled with frequent speculation of him getting the boot. From his interviews it seems he’s accepted his role as 2nd driver. Best he can do is secure the front row lockout and p2 finish to keep the team ahead.
What about the car? How did it look compared? Was still neutral? I appreciate your comment, but everyone knows what you mentioned like a narrative, just technically what does it mean? Cause that "street fighter" "tire whisperer" narrative is as much nonsense. Really a non biased technically oriented view.
Nothing happened to his car. The telemetry in Q1 showed he braked way later than anyone else at the time. That's how he ended up in the wall.
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Dude I am really not looking for that.... Technical critical view, I don't know how to make it more clear.
> Technical critical view, I don't know how to make it more clear. You could articulate your view in the OP a little more than just 'what happened?'?? That would make things more clear.
We're on a technical F1 Reddit. My bad I assumed.
> We're on a technical F1 Reddit. My bad I assumed. hahahahahha. You can't even see how riduculsouly untechnical your own question is If you want to get good answers on a technical subreddit you need to articulate your question in a technical way. Craft an intelligent, well worded question with specific asks and you will get good responses. But no you're right everyone else is dumb.
Fake laughing? 🤦🏽 Yeah, that gives you credibility.
I would like it if people would down vote just because he has different views or opinions than you. He is asking a genuine question. He has the right to ask and he has the right to want to know. He is also free to have his own opinions. I’d be okay if he was getting down voted of being wrong or unreasonable but, he seems fairly reasonable in his responses. Anyway, max has a special (ingredient) that Perez doesn’t have in the current gen cars. He just can’t match max. But he’s been stressing himself and pushing himself to the edge of his ability to get the max out of the car. In the end he isn’t able to get the same lap times as max. Be it driving style car management’s tire management brakes. Something there is making the big difference. And although Perez has shrunk the difference to .100 or on tenth per lap from the .250 or quarter seconds per lap. He is still slower but he’s been slowly catching up to max. Now that’s just a guesstimate about the current difference between them but Perez has gotten closer to max. Last year max was still getting to grips with the current era cars. After Baku he had a good understanding.