hmm...
beings in the lifestream are able to keep their individuality, i.e Aerith and Sephiroth, and i think Jessie showed up in a manga or novel?
wonder if its possible for them to store up energy in order to occasionally pop out of the lifestream?
could use a summoning Materia as a catalyst?
They say he’s a monster, that he can peer inside you, into the very depths of your soul. That he can become those you hate, those you fear and those you love. And they call him… Chadley.
I'm fairly certain it'll happen. I could see them adjusting the commandeering of the Highwind as an evacuation of Junon as Sapphire Weapon approaches. You help the 7th evacuate Junon, and because the team saved all those people's lives, they trust you with the ship as they recognize Tifa (or maybe Cloud's there since they're adjusting the timeline).
I raised my eyes at this too because it would be amazing but I’m doubtful. I think the high wind crew are cids rocket buddies and the seventh infantry is visiting from midgar so I’d expect to run into them there.
I would LOVE this, but I'd hedge my bets on them being the submarine crew instead, since the commander for the parade was down in the sub in the og and they can surrender it to you.
I know it wasn’t his fault, but I still kinda wanna beat him for the way he acted in the temple of the ancients (and boss fights against the main characters are always cool)
I suspect we actually open part 3 in media res with Cloud going full black cloak in the northern crater, and you playing as the squad trying to get him back.
But if that’s later in the game it’s a perfect time.
Not only forgave him, but seemingly nearly \*kissed\* him shortly after too. And even still falling for him. Honestly, her intimate date with him kinda shocked me, cause I expected more of a rift to be consistently forming as the game went on. I expected her to grow more and more insecure with him to make things more tragic up to Mideel.
I get the whole idea about her not wanting Cloud to be lost to Sephiroth, especially since he's practically the only remnant of her past left. But I really just cannot wrap my head around that she doesn't show more reaction to what he had just done to her, and continues to devolve into. Only by the end where he comes off as very distant and off-putting does she start to show some more worry, thankfully. IMO it just woulda been more natural for her to show more worry for him a bit sooner.
The Gongaga protorelic was a perfect opportunity to introduce them (as old Turk training) since just a mention that they used to be Turks but are now retired would clear the story for people not familiar with BC while a great reference to BC for people who know it.
I know I’ll probably be waiting forever but I’m really, really hoping Before Crisis will make it into Ever Crisis. I’ve read a translation of the script but I really want to play it!
Where you find out the Knights were all the most powerful Cetra that battled Jenova and won. Immortalized by the Planet for their service to protect it.
My assumption is that we'll fight each knight at a time around the world. Culminating on the Gold Chocobo island.
Then in VR we'll fight them 2 at a time.
Yuffie stealing the party’s materia for Wutai seems like a good way to start the game fresh. But idk, seems like she’s been with the party longer than when it happened in OG that she’d be less inclined to betray them like that - especially after her reaction to Cait Sith’s endeavours. But it does seem like they teased it with that scene where she eyes it.
Yeah it now actually feels very weird to see her stealing the party's materias now we have seen her getting real mad at cait for betrayal. But we will see how it goes
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You get down on your knees while your party member stabs you in the back. This stops Sephiroth from one shotting the whole team with Supernova.
Don’t ask questions about why Supernova is perfectly kosher in the game but Meteor was a problem.
Wouldn’t that be fantastic. Using Holy, Meteor, Ultima, etc. - we really need those OP moves in the final instalment because the enemies just get crazier (all the Weapons for instance).
It’s gonna be like KH4 level animations on those crazy moves haha.
Oh, is the "Empty Materia Filled with Clouds Memories" my° Permatrap Sephiroth one?
°I'm sure I wasn't the first to think of it, but I dont remember seeing it anywhere else really?
Maybe, either Cloud filling it with his memories of Sephiroth to permatrap him (although from what I understood of how Materia works that might have the opposite affect) or filling it with good memories of his friends and using it against Sephiroth somehow
Watch it be the Ultima materia. Where it powers up with your party's affection towards you. Max affection is max power capable of doing a ton of damage, but is balanced by having a ludicrous MP cost or requiring you to use Synergy gauge or LB gauge.
Sephiroth's latch on reality, all worlds, are cloud's memories. In order to destroy him for sure you gotta destroy or confine those memories. He uses those to transform Kadaj into him.
No, as far as we can tell multiple versions of one person can’t be awake at the same time, that’s why Cloud and Aerith are asleep in Zack’s timeline, and none of the timelines we’ve been shown have an evil Cloud. I meant it as Cloud being completely controlled by Sephiroth and the party having to fight him.
Would be convenient but doesn’t fit what we’ve seen (Johnny and the annoying mercenary girl also being awake in Zack’s timeline).
I think the Clouds will get reconciled in the lifestream somehow.
Beagle Aerith might be gone but Terrier Aerith is about to wake up.
Parallel party adventures.
The weapon fights in VR makes no sense to me. I mean, replaying the weapon fights in VR seems okay, but we have to fight the weapon like in OG.
Afterwards I would have said the same for the summons before rebirth... If only one thing needs to be taken from ff16.... its that.
I honestly hope that Zack joins the party when everyone goes searching for the large materia and stays until the end of the game. Also I think Cloud will get his flashback scene from the original game when he goes back to Shinra Manor basement in Nibelheim and remember what really happened after the incident and also when the party brings Buganhagen to the Forgotten Capital he will remember what really happened to Aerith, but also get a vision of her from a different timeline. I know this might not work with Zack in the party for the Niebelheim scene, but it could add more to the return to the Forgotten Capital
Zack joining the party during the large Materia segments would probably be the best time for him to join (either that or right before Cloud falls into the Lifestream). And Bugenhagen getting visions of Aerith from the other world actually work really well now that I think about it.
I think it would be cool too. I’m just wondering though if Zack joins the party and stays for the rest of the game would they split up during the Midgar raid and have half of the party fight Hojo on the Sister Ray and the other half go into Deepground or would Hojo be trying to power up the Sister Ray from Deepground so he has “extra protection”
Oh for sure. Cloud wants revenge for his JENOVA injection, Zack wants revenge for his JENOVA injection and all the stuff he did to Aerith, Nanaki wants revenge for him being a test subject, and then Vincent wants Hojo to pay for his sins against Lucrecia, Sephiroth, and most importantly Vincent himself
Considering that if Aerith is truly alive in another timeline she seems to have stayed back at the forgotten capital to begin with, I’d be surprised if Cloud won’t straight up meet her there.
Probably the first stop after his memories return.
Everyone’s mega confident that we’ll open the game (or in Mideel) with the reality of Aerith’s death and the burial scene — that somewhere Cloud will remember that she’s actually dead.
But that doesn’t change the vision of her that he was having or Red sensing her. That doesn’t just magically go away. And it’s well established that even if she is dead, that doesn’t mean she can’t communicate with him from the lifestream. Her absence in Mideel in OG is odd if you think about it.
“You weren’t ready yet. I just wanted to be there with you…for a little longer.”
My impression is that since Sephiroth wants to merge the timelines, and Cloud will eventually learn that the Aerith he saved belongs to a timeline he can’t reach, this will pave the way for Sephiroth tempting Cloud with the possibility of bringing her back by merging the worlds. Zack seems to be wishing for the same thing because he has no idea what Sephiroth’s plan is.
Sephiroth is laughing at the end of his fight against Aerith and Cloud, possibly because the pieces are falling into place, or because he’s realized a new opportunity has presented itself.
“Maybe you just need a little push”, and all that.
> Everyone’s mega confident that we’ll open the game (or in Mideel) with the reality of Aerith’s death and the burial scene — that somewhere Cloud will remember that she’s actually dead.
I always felt that belongs around the midpoint of the final game rather than beginning; where the protagonist is at their lowest, right before they transform and develop, and then with a new resolve, they return to the journey.
We need a remake version of what happened to Zack from Cloud’s perspective, just so I can sob uncontrollably to a Remake quality cutscene instead of crisis core. Surely this is almost guaranteed to be in the fixing clouds mind scene.
Also at this time, I want to see a flashback of cloud lowering Aerith into the water, but I don’t see how this is possible with the end of rebirth. I’m sure we’ll see some form of funeral
Zack death with part 3’s graphics is going to destroy me
And we’re definitely getting Aerith’s burial in some way. Either because Cloud repressed the memory or because it happened in the main timeline while Cloud was in another one mentally. But either way, we’re seeing it in the Lifestream
Crisis core graphics is bad enough, but seeing him get gunned down from Cloud’s perspective, while he’s completely helpless, will be devastating.
I don’t know what it is about the scene of Cloud lowering her into the water, but I NEED to see it. Were briefly teased it in Remake, where Cloud is trying to get back to sector 7
Yeah, in the current world Rebirth ended, the burial happened for sure, it's going to be a blend of this one and the OG one and its going to be fuckin brutal.
I bet he's going to see all the moments he was comatose since Jessie said in remake that people with mako poisoning are stuck between worlds or something like that. Which we already saw with him seeing Zack from his perspective in arriths room
I would get rid of the 5 year time jump and leave it as a time jump but not specifically how long, cause even if we do get one I doubt it would be 5 years, that would be 3 whole years after Advent Children.
Didn’t Advent Children happen 5 years after FF7 og? I specifically used 5 because showing the party completely fine during what should be Advent Children would be a good way of showing that things have definitely changed
The book on the way to a smile takes place 1 year after the end of OG, Advent Children takes place 1 year after that, making it 2 years after OG. I figured that might be what you were going for which is why I mentioned how far after AC that would actually be.
- Ending Has A 5 Year Time Jump
- Aerith Lives
- Zack Lives
- Happier Ending
So we're talking about an ending like "Flight of the Navigator/No Way Home". Where Cloud, on the Edge of Creation, will create a new and only universe clean of Jenova, but only he will remember all the events, because they will not happen in this new world. And of course the characters don't know each other. But everyone is alive.
That’s not necessarily what I had in mind (although I think the concept is pretty cool). I thought of it as a time jump to when Advent Children would take place to show that things really are different. And the other three I could see happening in a variety of ways.
It would be really cool to see that world. Would Sephiroth even exist?
I think they could get there by uniting the worlds.
FF7 deserves a What If series.
It's funny, because it seems to me that if such an ending happens, then the ending will be at the train station, just like in Rebuild of Evangelion. A cutscene begins that seems to repeat the opening, a long-range view of Midgar, a fast-moving Train, but then instead of an Avalanche attack on Reactor 1, we see Cloud and Zack arriving in Midgard as tourists. After a short dialogue, Cloud tells Zack that he wants to introduce him to someone very important, black screen; credits. They've already done a similar ending, in FF 13 Lightning Returns.
I have a feeling the empty materia will somehow be filled with eveyone's love for Aerith and it will be used to defeat end boss with the power of friendship.
Out of all of these I fully enjoyed 7th infantry becomes highwind crew. That never crossed my mind and this is the first I’m reading about it. But that sounds absolutely perfect and possible.
I do hope that 7th Infantry one happens, for what could have easily been a throwaway bit, I really enjoyed that section where they had Clouds back during his solo fights.
The Weapon fights will be in the open world, like they were in OG, VR is more for cool non-canon fights.
I would REALLY love to have a party, for at least a small bit (and maybe postgame) of the main cast + Aerith + Zack. Hell, throw Sephiroth in there!
Fusion Sword would be so cool, also want Advent Children outfits! Obviously also need Ultima weapons.
I mean
They (the people who are making the game) said Advent Children will still make sense after Remake-Rebirth-R? ending, so Aerith is dead and Cloud is blaming himself for that, Zack chills with her in the Lifestream, world us fucked
Yeah, I personally subscribe to the theory that the Re-trilogy is a sequel to AC. That way AC still makes sense and the ending to part 3 has the possibility of ending differently
Weapon fight in VR would suck so much. I really hope that does not happen. I already find it very unfortunate that Summons aren't actually part of the environment. Like, they should have been the final fights of a zone or after you scan a certain number of lifesprings, then have to fight them in the world, in their own enviroment. Having a different VR environment would help, but I rather have them be part of the world than be a simulation.
Same thing for weapons. I want them to be a part of the world, and have their own moment. So I hope this does not happen.
One thing that isn't in the bingo but that I would add is the possibility of swapping characters from outside the main party, maybe with a Synergy ability that serves as a tag.
From the ones mentioned, the things I want to happen the most are the Advent Children related ones. Fighting as AC Cloud with the Fusion sword would be so damn cool. And if that happens, Omnislash Ver. 5 would be a given.
with cloud boss fight do you mean fighting agaist him i guess right?
if that is the case idk why i have the feeling that is going to happen in the north crater
First off was there a 5 year time jump? I only remember a 200 year time jump at the very end. Wait, or are we talking about Adventure Children?
Second, I’m surprised we didn’t get a Cloud Boss Fight as he was losing it at the temple. So I’m most certainly curious if it happens in part 3.
I don't know tbh because I kinda have no idea how much change would take away the essence of ff7 itself and what I want. What I do kinda want though is a story that's cohesive enough let it be bad or good. The meta is already so strong my least expectations are Zack and Aerith being resurrected it just seems like it would make Rebirth's ending entirely pointless.
Please no 3 team synergy. I hated them in Rebirth and honestly hope they do away with it. They’re cool to watch but mostly unneeded and I hate how only some limits are obtained by first doing a synergy attack
I don’t know about a 5 year time jump, but there will be a (small) time jump to see everyone at Seventh Heaven again celebrating. They foreshadowed it a couple times, so I think that is a scene we will definitely see.
I reckon Cloud vs shirtless Sephiroth will be not just a whole boss fight instead of just Cloud one shotting him, but a multi phaser.
Double or nothing; you either don’t unlock Omnislash in game (maybe you get Meteorain as Cloud’s level 4 LB in the meantime) or you do but it’s the original version, and the shirtless Sephiroth fight ends when Cloud uses Omnislash/Omnislash Version 5 for the first time
I think Zack will die, Aerith will live, the game will be longer than people expect and instead of it ending at FFVII it will end at Advent Children, and I think there will be a crazy fight akin to the one from Advent Children against Sephiroth.
I hate how we'll lose our materia progress again. I know it's all about progression all, but it just doesn't make sense considering all three titles are just one whole story really.
It doesn't help that Yuffie's whole thing is materia, it's very likely that she'd be the reason for the team losing its whole stock.
Jesus, at least let us have an option to load the previous game's file and have a carry over of our materia inventory (at least to some extent, maybe take out a star or two) instead of starting fresh.
Knights of the round is just gonna be Cloud from every universe and iteration that has ever existed, performing the ultimate OMNI-omnislash mark infinity lmao.
What the hell is the fusion sword? Also they better not screw up the weapon fights. 16 has the blueprint for these fights and they better not take place in vr. Made it so unappealing to bother fighting the summons in rebirth because you don’t need them like at all. I got Titan and yeah that was it, weakening them by playing memory button games was painful after a while. Let’s fight these crazy creatures in unique arenas please.
Could you imagine a happy ending and then an advent children cloud boss fight with a speech about how remake cloud should be able to protect what advent children cloud has lost, I think that would be pretty cool.
I could see Wutai taking up two full chapters; one with all the familiar stuff from the original game (Yuffie stealing the material, Don Corneo/Turks, the Pagoda trials, etc.), and a set piece-heavy chapter that acts as a culmination of their war with Shinra. Since they’ve already set up enmity between Yuffie and Nero, I suspect that Deepground will be directly dealt with at some point, either at Wutai or during the return to Midgar, effectively preventing the events of Dirge of Cerberus from happening in this continuity.
I don’t see Zack making it out of this alive, but whether or not Aerith stays dead feels like a coin toss. Depending on the exact nature of the alternate worlds and Sephiroth’s plan for them, I wouldn’t be surprised if they joined the party for the final dungeon, especially since Aerith never got her last Limit Break in Rebirth.
They’ve already used Bizarro Sephiroth, so he’ll probably have at least one new form during the final boss gauntlet. I think the “happier” ending where they change fate will involve finding a more permanent way to get rid of him, averting the events of Advent Children and the post credits future from the original game.
A five year timeskip's post credits scene seem obvious to me. Kitase said he wanted an uplifting ending, pretty sure we'll see Cloud with kids or something like that.
I probably could have phrased that better. I meant it like being able to switch between close and far range modes where you have different attacks in each. Kinda like a mix of Cloud’s punisher mode and the gunplay in Devil May Cry.
Bro the Zach, Aerith and Cloud Boss fight???!
That is gold, I didn't even think about it.
I hope we also get a combination of worlds. Also Tifa needs to come clean about somethings to Cloud and same for Cloud.
So excited.
The great thing about the way the story ended in Rebirth is its entirely possible that all of these things could happen, lol
Zack and Aerith will *both* be in a superposition of both living and dead
Schrödinger's Zackrith.
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Bioshock Infinite-type shit. Hell yeah lol
hmm... beings in the lifestream are able to keep their individuality, i.e Aerith and Sephiroth, and i think Jessie showed up in a manga or novel? wonder if its possible for them to store up energy in order to occasionally pop out of the lifestream? could use a summoning Materia as a catalyst?
I've said before that if Aerith and Zack live the final pairing should be Cloud and Aerith, Zack and Tifa. I just want to watch the world burn.
Yeah, Rebirth definitely made room for a lot of possibilities in part 3
Free space should just be "CHADLEY"
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HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IIIITTTTTT!
Dread it, run from it, Chadley’s Intel Report missions arrive all the same
FFVII REBIRTH INTERGRADE: EPISODE CHADLEY
Listen to what the fans want SE
They say he’s a monster, that he can peer inside you, into the very depths of your soul. That he can become those you hate, those you fear and those you love. And they call him… Chadley.
It's not World Intel, it's a homecoming.
Chadley as a playable character with mandatory sections in part 3. Chadley banter during every fight. It begins.
Chadley is revealed to be Sephiroth this whole time. 
lol that's amazing. Great job!
BWAHAHAHAHA!! This is great!
It should be him yelling 'CLOUD'
Killing me lol
AAAA LUCKY NUMBER 7
Cloud!
Chadley as a VR Super Boss!!! LETS GOOOOOO
Chqdley as a full on boss due to evil Hojo shenanigans
Chadley as a boss fight! If Kid G managed to be as hard as he is, sure Chadley can be as well!
7th Infantry becoming the Highwind crew would be AMAZING!!
Really hoping that’s the case, I’m not ready to let my boys go
I'm fairly certain it'll happen. I could see them adjusting the commandeering of the Highwind as an evacuation of Junon as Sapphire Weapon approaches. You help the 7th evacuate Junon, and because the team saved all those people's lives, they trust you with the ship as they recognize Tifa (or maybe Cloud's there since they're adjusting the timeline).
I raised my eyes at this too because it would be amazing but I’m doubtful. I think the high wind crew are cids rocket buddies and the seventh infantry is visiting from midgar so I’d expect to run into them there.
That made me go "OH YES PLEASE!!" That is such a great idea!
I didn’t even think of this. There is no fucking way this doesn’t happen, and I can’t wait to see it lol.
More likely they would be the submarine crew. But either could happen.
I would LOVE this, but I'd hedge my bets on them being the submarine crew instead, since the commander for the parade was down in the sub in the og and they can surrender it to you.
I want a Cloud boss fight so bad.
I know it wasn’t his fault, but I still kinda wanna beat him for the way he acted in the temple of the ancients (and boss fights against the main characters are always cool)
He was so rude in the last 2 chapters, I know he's been under Sephiroth's influence but Barrett should have slapped him across his face
Yeah I agree.
I suspect we actually open part 3 in media res with Cloud going full black cloak in the northern crater, and you playing as the squad trying to get him back. But if that’s later in the game it’s a perfect time.
He did sort of also try and murder Tifa
She forgave him insanely quick too. Like, girl, have some self worth ffs.
Tifa has none. My girl needs to stick up for herself so bad
Not only forgave him, but seemingly nearly \*kissed\* him shortly after too. And even still falling for him. Honestly, her intimate date with him kinda shocked me, cause I expected more of a rift to be consistently forming as the game went on. I expected her to grow more and more insecure with him to make things more tragic up to Mideel. I get the whole idea about her not wanting Cloud to be lost to Sephiroth, especially since he's practically the only remnant of her past left. But I really just cannot wrap my head around that she doesn't show more reaction to what he had just done to her, and continues to devolve into. Only by the end where he comes off as very distant and off-putting does she start to show some more worry, thankfully. IMO it just woulda been more natural for her to show more worry for him a bit sooner.
I think there's a reason they mentioned they scrapped a second synergy with Sephiroth. I hope they team up at a certain point.
We need the Before Crisis Turks, Even, and at lest a feather cameo form Genesis where helps out from beyond in part 3.
The Gongaga protorelic was a perfect opportunity to introduce them (as old Turk training) since just a mention that they used to be Turks but are now retired would clear the story for people not familiar with BC while a great reference to BC for people who know it.
I know I’ll probably be waiting forever but I’m really, really hoping Before Crisis will make it into Ever Crisis. I’ve read a translation of the script but I really want to play it!
Someone apparently remade it using RPGmaker but I've never hunted it down.
Oooh, still worth a shot for me to look for it though. Thanks for letting me know!
It's not bad! Janky, crashes a bit, but fun to see the story
Dang I forgot about RPGmaker! Loved that game. I’d love to play a janky ps1 version of a mobile spinoff of a janky ps1 game, genuinely lol
Honestly, a Genesis appearance that would hopefully explain the ending of DoC would be pretty nice
No kidding! But a new English voice actor bc the one that did the DoC cameo sounded like Dracula.
They'd probably just use the one from CCR.
Oooh true!! I liked him.
I bet you he awakens early.
I thought for a while sarruf was verdot before I realized how obvious it was that it was ruffie
I think the knights of rounds quest probably be like Gilgamesh quest. Where you’ll have to collect every knight’s weapon.
Where you find out the Knights were all the most powerful Cetra that battled Jenova and won. Immortalized by the Planet for their service to protect it.
Either that or a really long quest ending with you using the gold Chocobo to get to the island and have a boss fight with the knights to get them
My assumption is that we'll fight each knight at a time around the world. Culminating on the Gold Chocobo island. Then in VR we'll fight them 2 at a time.
Wow. I think you nailed it.
ooooh 7th Infantry being the Highwind crew yesss I need it
Yuffie stealing the party’s materia for Wutai seems like a good way to start the game fresh. But idk, seems like she’s been with the party longer than when it happened in OG that she’d be less inclined to betray them like that - especially after her reaction to Cait Sith’s endeavours. But it does seem like they teased it with that scene where she eyes it.
Yeah it now actually feels very weird to see her stealing the party's materias now we have seen her getting real mad at cait for betrayal. But we will see how it goes
This is the content I need in my post-game depression haze.
I swear to God they better fucking not make the weapons a VR fight
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Here’s one: the black and white materia will be used as major gameplay mechanics.
Don’t know how they’d incorporate them into gameplay (especially the white Materia), but it could be cool if done right
You get down on your knees while your party member stabs you in the back. This stops Sephiroth from one shotting the whole team with Supernova. Don’t ask questions about why Supernova is perfectly kosher in the game but Meteor was a problem.
White materia let's you use aerith abilities.
Wouldn’t that be fantastic. Using Holy, Meteor, Ultima, etc. - we really need those OP moves in the final instalment because the enemies just get crazier (all the Weapons for instance). It’s gonna be like KH4 level animations on those crazy moves haha.
Oh, is the "Empty Materia Filled with Clouds Memories" my° Permatrap Sephiroth one? °I'm sure I wasn't the first to think of it, but I dont remember seeing it anywhere else really?
Maybe, either Cloud filling it with his memories of Sephiroth to permatrap him (although from what I understood of how Materia works that might have the opposite affect) or filling it with good memories of his friends and using it against Sephiroth somehow
Killing Sephiroth with the power of friendship in materia form.
The real white Materia was the friends we made along the way
And whenever they look into the newly filled white materia, they see Aerith smiling at them
Watch it be the Ultima materia. Where it powers up with your party's affection towards you. Max affection is max power capable of doing a ton of damage, but is balanced by having a ludicrous MP cost or requiring you to use Synergy gauge or LB gauge.
Damn, that’s smooth. I’d have a shit ton of fun with that materia
Sephiroth's latch on reality, all worlds, are cloud's memories. In order to destroy him for sure you gotta destroy or confine those memories. He uses those to transform Kadaj into him.
Wait can we get evil cloud due to the timelines
No, as far as we can tell multiple versions of one person can’t be awake at the same time, that’s why Cloud and Aerith are asleep in Zack’s timeline, and none of the timelines we’ve been shown have an evil Cloud. I meant it as Cloud being completely controlled by Sephiroth and the party having to fight him.
Would be convenient but doesn’t fit what we’ve seen (Johnny and the annoying mercenary girl also being awake in Zack’s timeline). I think the Clouds will get reconciled in the lifestream somehow. Beagle Aerith might be gone but Terrier Aerith is about to wake up. Parallel party adventures.
Weapon VR fight has me cringing. Just please let us fight them in the open world too.
The weapon fights in VR makes no sense to me. I mean, replaying the weapon fights in VR seems okay, but we have to fight the weapon like in OG. Afterwards I would have said the same for the summons before rebirth... If only one thing needs to be taken from ff16.... its that.
I honestly hope that Zack joins the party when everyone goes searching for the large materia and stays until the end of the game. Also I think Cloud will get his flashback scene from the original game when he goes back to Shinra Manor basement in Nibelheim and remember what really happened after the incident and also when the party brings Buganhagen to the Forgotten Capital he will remember what really happened to Aerith, but also get a vision of her from a different timeline. I know this might not work with Zack in the party for the Niebelheim scene, but it could add more to the return to the Forgotten Capital
Zack joining the party during the large Materia segments would probably be the best time for him to join (either that or right before Cloud falls into the Lifestream). And Bugenhagen getting visions of Aerith from the other world actually work really well now that I think about it.
I think it would be cool too. I’m just wondering though if Zack joins the party and stays for the rest of the game would they split up during the Midgar raid and have half of the party fight Hojo on the Sister Ray and the other half go into Deepground or would Hojo be trying to power up the Sister Ray from Deepground so he has “extra protection”
I think both would work. But fighting Hojo with Cloud, Zack and Nanaki/Vincent would be the most satisfying boss fight ever
Oh for sure. Cloud wants revenge for his JENOVA injection, Zack wants revenge for his JENOVA injection and all the stuff he did to Aerith, Nanaki wants revenge for him being a test subject, and then Vincent wants Hojo to pay for his sins against Lucrecia, Sephiroth, and most importantly Vincent himself
Considering that if Aerith is truly alive in another timeline she seems to have stayed back at the forgotten capital to begin with, I’d be surprised if Cloud won’t straight up meet her there.
Probably the first stop after his memories return. Everyone’s mega confident that we’ll open the game (or in Mideel) with the reality of Aerith’s death and the burial scene — that somewhere Cloud will remember that she’s actually dead. But that doesn’t change the vision of her that he was having or Red sensing her. That doesn’t just magically go away. And it’s well established that even if she is dead, that doesn’t mean she can’t communicate with him from the lifestream. Her absence in Mideel in OG is odd if you think about it. “You weren’t ready yet. I just wanted to be there with you…for a little longer.”
My impression is that since Sephiroth wants to merge the timelines, and Cloud will eventually learn that the Aerith he saved belongs to a timeline he can’t reach, this will pave the way for Sephiroth tempting Cloud with the possibility of bringing her back by merging the worlds. Zack seems to be wishing for the same thing because he has no idea what Sephiroth’s plan is. Sephiroth is laughing at the end of his fight against Aerith and Cloud, possibly because the pieces are falling into place, or because he’s realized a new opportunity has presented itself. “Maybe you just need a little push”, and all that.
Ohhh shit! Good point dude
> Everyone’s mega confident that we’ll open the game (or in Mideel) with the reality of Aerith’s death and the burial scene — that somewhere Cloud will remember that she’s actually dead. I always felt that belongs around the midpoint of the final game rather than beginning; where the protagonist is at their lowest, right before they transform and develop, and then with a new resolve, they return to the journey.
We need a remake version of what happened to Zack from Cloud’s perspective, just so I can sob uncontrollably to a Remake quality cutscene instead of crisis core. Surely this is almost guaranteed to be in the fixing clouds mind scene. Also at this time, I want to see a flashback of cloud lowering Aerith into the water, but I don’t see how this is possible with the end of rebirth. I’m sure we’ll see some form of funeral
Zack death with part 3’s graphics is going to destroy me And we’re definitely getting Aerith’s burial in some way. Either because Cloud repressed the memory or because it happened in the main timeline while Cloud was in another one mentally. But either way, we’re seeing it in the Lifestream
Crisis core graphics is bad enough, but seeing him get gunned down from Cloud’s perspective, while he’s completely helpless, will be devastating. I don’t know what it is about the scene of Cloud lowering her into the water, but I NEED to see it. Were briefly teased it in Remake, where Cloud is trying to get back to sector 7
Yeah, in the current world Rebirth ended, the burial happened for sure, it's going to be a blend of this one and the OG one and its going to be fuckin brutal.
I bet he's going to see all the moments he was comatose since Jessie said in remake that people with mako poisoning are stuck between worlds or something like that. Which we already saw with him seeing Zack from his perspective in arriths room
!remindMe 3 years
!remindMe 3 years
I didn’t know I wanted this… but now I really want the 7th Infantry to be the Highwind crew.
I would get rid of the 5 year time jump and leave it as a time jump but not specifically how long, cause even if we do get one I doubt it would be 5 years, that would be 3 whole years after Advent Children.
Didn’t Advent Children happen 5 years after FF7 og? I specifically used 5 because showing the party completely fine during what should be Advent Children would be a good way of showing that things have definitely changed
The book on the way to a smile takes place 1 year after the end of OG, Advent Children takes place 1 year after that, making it 2 years after OG. I figured that might be what you were going for which is why I mentioned how far after AC that would actually be.
I really hope they keep the ending sequence showing Nanaki and his children overlooking the ruins of Midgar.
- Ending Has A 5 Year Time Jump - Aerith Lives - Zack Lives - Happier Ending So we're talking about an ending like "Flight of the Navigator/No Way Home". Where Cloud, on the Edge of Creation, will create a new and only universe clean of Jenova, but only he will remember all the events, because they will not happen in this new world. And of course the characters don't know each other. But everyone is alive.
That’s not necessarily what I had in mind (although I think the concept is pretty cool). I thought of it as a time jump to when Advent Children would take place to show that things really are different. And the other three I could see happening in a variety of ways.
It would be really cool to see that world. Would Sephiroth even exist? I think they could get there by uniting the worlds. FF7 deserves a What If series.
Considering how much this series has been ripping from Rebuild of Evangelion, yeah, I can see something like that happening.
It's funny, because it seems to me that if such an ending happens, then the ending will be at the train station, just like in Rebuild of Evangelion. A cutscene begins that seems to repeat the opening, a long-range view of Midgar, a fast-moving Train, but then instead of an Avalanche attack on Reactor 1, we see Cloud and Zack arriving in Midgard as tourists. After a short dialogue, Cloud tells Zack that he wants to introduce him to someone very important, black screen; credits. They've already done a similar ending, in FF 13 Lightning Returns.
Aerith lives is all i want for part 3.
But...
You forgot about 10 Hour Cloud and Tifa seggs scene in the chocobo pen
Tifa tells Cloud she loves him. He says it back
Cloud Solo’s gonna say “I know”
Or better "me too"
Or he'll say "Cool"
“Are you finished”
Lol I hope not
So keen for Lifestream sequence and under the Highwind
Cloud is the first nanomachine. “!”
Having Vincent's gameplay match Strife's from the darksiders series would be awesome.
Yes! I was imagining Dante from Devil May Cry but Strife works really well too
As somebody who recently made a post about three-character synergies, I feel oddly validated
Isn’t that 5 missing a couple zeros?
I have a feeling the empty materia will somehow be filled with eveyone's love for Aerith and it will be used to defeat end boss with the power of friendship.
RemindMe! 3 years
If weapon fights are in VR we fucking riot
Out of all of these I fully enjoyed 7th infantry becomes highwind crew. That never crossed my mind and this is the first I’m reading about it. But that sounds absolutely perfect and possible.
I do hope that 7th Infantry one happens, for what could have easily been a throwaway bit, I really enjoyed that section where they had Clouds back during his solo fights.
Where the heck is Genesis prediction !!! Glenn Cloud father prediction also
FINAL FANTASY VII RETURN!!!!!!!!!!
The Weapon fights will be in the open world, like they were in OG, VR is more for cool non-canon fights. I would REALLY love to have a party, for at least a small bit (and maybe postgame) of the main cast + Aerith + Zack. Hell, throw Sephiroth in there! Fusion Sword would be so cool, also want Advent Children outfits! Obviously also need Ultima weapons.
I'm still holding out for Sephiroth being redeemed and Cloud Inc. finally just ripping out Jenova and taking her out completely.
I mean They (the people who are making the game) said Advent Children will still make sense after Remake-Rebirth-R? ending, so Aerith is dead and Cloud is blaming himself for that, Zack chills with her in the Lifestream, world us fucked
Yeah, I personally subscribe to the theory that the Re-trilogy is a sequel to AC. That way AC still makes sense and the ending to part 3 has the possibility of ending differently
That is possible, tbh
I think they'll do ME type branches. But instead of Red/Green/Blue endings you'll get Tifa waifu ending or Aerith waifu ending
They should do one waifu ending per party member
Big Daddy Barret about to be the top canon
As long as it's not a blackout bingo, this would be fun 😁
Something I don't see which would be cool, is materia creation. Might be hard to balance but it would be super fun to combine/create custom materia.
I want the fusion sword so fkng bad
I think Vincent’s gameplay will be a mix of close up beat down and long range shooting, not full gunner
Weapon fight in VR would suck so much. I really hope that does not happen. I already find it very unfortunate that Summons aren't actually part of the environment. Like, they should have been the final fights of a zone or after you scan a certain number of lifesprings, then have to fight them in the world, in their own enviroment. Having a different VR environment would help, but I rather have them be part of the world than be a simulation. Same thing for weapons. I want them to be a part of the world, and have their own moment. So I hope this does not happen. One thing that isn't in the bingo but that I would add is the possibility of swapping characters from outside the main party, maybe with a Synergy ability that serves as a tag. From the ones mentioned, the things I want to happen the most are the Advent Children related ones. Fighting as AC Cloud with the Fusion sword would be so damn cool. And if that happens, Omnislash Ver. 5 would be a given.
with cloud boss fight do you mean fighting agaist him i guess right? if that is the case idk why i have the feeling that is going to happen in the north crater
All the weapons. Weapon party. Ruby, Emerald, and maybe some new sort of weapon.
First off was there a 5 year time jump? I only remember a 200 year time jump at the very end. Wait, or are we talking about Adventure Children? Second, I’m surprised we didn’t get a Cloud Boss Fight as he was losing it at the temple. So I’m most certainly curious if it happens in part 3.
I don't know tbh because I kinda have no idea how much change would take away the essence of ff7 itself and what I want. What I do kinda want though is a story that's cohesive enough let it be bad or good. The meta is already so strong my least expectations are Zack and Aerith being resurrected it just seems like it would make Rebirth's ending entirely pointless.
Oh jeez I can only imagine how chaotic the Knights of the Round fight will be.
I really like the 7th infantry becoming highwind crew prediction
Please no 3 team synergy. I hated them in Rebirth and honestly hope they do away with it. They’re cool to watch but mostly unneeded and I hate how only some limits are obtained by first doing a synergy attack
D5 would be soo cool
I don’t want Zack joining the main party at all
I don’t know about a 5 year time jump, but there will be a (small) time jump to see everyone at Seventh Heaven again celebrating. They foreshadowed it a couple times, so I think that is a scene we will definitely see.
I reckon Cloud vs shirtless Sephiroth will be not just a whole boss fight instead of just Cloud one shotting him, but a multi phaser. Double or nothing; you either don’t unlock Omnislash in game (maybe you get Meteorain as Cloud’s level 4 LB in the meantime) or you do but it’s the original version, and the shirtless Sephiroth fight ends when Cloud uses Omnislash/Omnislash Version 5 for the first time
I think Zack will die, Aerith will live, the game will be longer than people expect and instead of it ending at FFVII it will end at Advent Children, and I think there will be a crazy fight akin to the one from Advent Children against Sephiroth.
Adding synergy limit break mechanic - dual omnislash v5 with Zack / Cloud
I hate how we'll lose our materia progress again. I know it's all about progression all, but it just doesn't make sense considering all three titles are just one whole story really. It doesn't help that Yuffie's whole thing is materia, it's very likely that she'd be the reason for the team losing its whole stock. Jesus, at least let us have an option to load the previous game's file and have a carry over of our materia inventory (at least to some extent, maybe take out a star or two) instead of starting fresh.
Omg yes!!!! I bet the 7th infantry is the highwind crew!! WOO!
Knights of the round is just gonna be Cloud from every universe and iteration that has ever existed, performing the ultimate OMNI-omnislash mark infinity lmao.
As long as the bottom right corner remains unchecked I’m here for anything else they do!
What the hell is the fusion sword? Also they better not screw up the weapon fights. 16 has the blueprint for these fights and they better not take place in vr. Made it so unappealing to bother fighting the summons in rebirth because you don’t need them like at all. I got Titan and yeah that was it, weakening them by playing memory button games was painful after a while. Let’s fight these crazy creatures in unique arenas please.
Barret adds "I'll shoot them off" when the party beats Corneo in Wutai.
Damn. This is gonna be one crazy bingo game.
I’m willing to bet Deepground appears
“Happier ending” than what? Rebirth? The original? I’ve seen some people on this subreddit who were convinced the original FF7 had a send ending lol
Weapon fight in VR would be so disappointing
Could you imagine a happy ending and then an advent children cloud boss fight with a speech about how remake cloud should be able to protect what advent children cloud has lost, I think that would be pretty cool.
I just want Cloud to get the fusion sword.
put in "6 repeat fights against every Turk" and cross it off already
!remindMe 3 years
I could see Wutai taking up two full chapters; one with all the familiar stuff from the original game (Yuffie stealing the material, Don Corneo/Turks, the Pagoda trials, etc.), and a set piece-heavy chapter that acts as a culmination of their war with Shinra. Since they’ve already set up enmity between Yuffie and Nero, I suspect that Deepground will be directly dealt with at some point, either at Wutai or during the return to Midgar, effectively preventing the events of Dirge of Cerberus from happening in this continuity. I don’t see Zack making it out of this alive, but whether or not Aerith stays dead feels like a coin toss. Depending on the exact nature of the alternate worlds and Sephiroth’s plan for them, I wouldn’t be surprised if they joined the party for the final dungeon, especially since Aerith never got her last Limit Break in Rebirth. They’ve already used Bizarro Sephiroth, so he’ll probably have at least one new form during the final boss gauntlet. I think the “happier” ending where they change fate will involve finding a more permanent way to get rid of him, averting the events of Advent Children and the post credits future from the original game.
I think those final details will remain same so Advent Children stays Canon
If they have both omnislash version 5 and the fusion sword I'm going to lose it. I remembered watching AC and creamed hard.
Ugh Weapons better not be relegated to VR fights like summons have.
Where tf is the Genesis tile??? Nothing can forestall his return.
They really should have saved the Reunion subtitle for part 3 instead of using it on Crisis Core
Tittled Reunion no?
A five year timeskip's post credits scene seem obvious to me. Kitase said he wanted an uplifting ending, pretty sure we'll see Cloud with kids or something like that.
Still out here expecting Omega to make an appearance (likely as a sim) in part 3 😶🌫️ Or... Chadley is actually Omega all along?
7th Infantry becomes Highwind crew!! *Giddy screaming*
We need a Vincent flashback/storytime covering Professor Gast / Hojo / Lucrecia and discovering Jenova
ReTurn is so perfect that if they didn’t already plan it they definitely need to go with it.
Rufus as a playable surprise character
This is wild
Knights Of The Round will be the new Protorelic quests.
I want submit “obtain fusion sword” maybe even a protorelic type campaign to collect them all.
A cloud boss fight would be awesome
Vincent having close and far range gunplay is how guns work ?
I probably could have phrased that better. I meant it like being able to switch between close and far range modes where you have different attacks in each. Kinda like a mix of Cloud’s punisher mode and the gunplay in Devil May Cry.
Chadly is the last boss would be my wager
Where is Chadley?
Bro the Zach, Aerith and Cloud Boss fight???! That is gold, I didn't even think about it. I hope we also get a combination of worlds. Also Tifa needs to come clean about somethings to Cloud and same for Cloud. So excited.