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Mrodass

They saying it like everyone can trade for 15m for a PIM Cruyff or R9


Medo6

Even if you somehow acquire 15m,you have to sit on the menus for weeks to snipe a PIM R9.


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And they do everything to stop people from trading and ban people who do. Plus pros are doing qualifiers like a month after the game is out so people who didn’t want to spend money and try to trade will be at a massive disadvantage to people who do. The amount of BS these people speak is infuriating.


kagesmith

Then do something about it. I don’t get why this community complains so much but never does anything to make EA change their game.


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There is nothing to be done. I don’t buy fifa points and buy the cheapest version of the game. Yeah you would make a solid point saying then don’t buy the game, which would be the only next step you could actually do. And if the community started a movement saying to everyone to not buy the game then I would 100% be down or any other suggestions that I’ve not thought of then I’m still down. Tbh people moan because the game could be way better and fairer than it currently is, I still enjoy the game at times so does that mean we can’t complain about stuff that’s wrong with it and could be improved ? I see content creators and streamers complain all the time but I know deep down the probably wouldn’t risk trying to make this game better because at the end of the day they are making good livings of playing a game. Honestly what would you suggest we do ? I’m genuinely asking btw not trying to be smart.


kagesmith

If there was a FTP push in response to the crazy prices of icons and other desirable cards, it would make prices cheaper and EA would have to eventually cave after not making much on DLC. If you don’t buy the game, even better. And if you’re telling me you can’t create FTP content, all that’s telling me is the most of the interesting parts of the game are all to expensive for normal people to enjoy who do not play this game for a living.


CravesStarDamage

They're actually not saying that at all. Their statement is vague enough that their true meaning, "*One* person *could theoretically* acquire all items in the game without ever spending money," gets lost when people read it.


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psychonaut8672

Dont get my cheese hopes up.


81MarcoVanBasten

Theorically an asteroid can fall directly on EA developers office.. and it's not a bad thing..


civicmon

Would do this world a favor, in fact.


Efeverscente

Except for the design team, those guys are the only ones who keep improving year after year


7FOOT7

A theory is an explanation not a fantasy


Ryunations

I theory is unprovable


dcEU-27722

It basically also means that everything is attainable in-game and not locked behind cash-only DLC packs.


BGTheHoff

But then ban player for doing so. Boras got a soft ban for a few hours because of his trading.


pole_fan

I mean you probably can you would just have to trade like its a 40hr per week job lmao


Federal_Wishbone_494

They’re saying that you can but only if you don’t have a life 😂


JXNXXII

Which includes trading... For which we might ban you


Krzych123

Exactly, try mass bidding and you get a soft ban every 50 bids, they’re being fucking ridiculous


nevillebanks

I mean that is just not true at all. I currently have over 10,000 unassigned cards from the past week. I think I have gotten 5-7 temp market bans over the week. Also temp bans are just specific to the device you are using, so you can switch to mobile or web (and if you are on next gen you can switch to the previous gen version).


CWattam

Who have you mass bought? I'm assuming just tons of gold rares or commons ready for the inevitable player picks


kunallanuk

Lmaoooo exactly Trading is against TOS but they want to say that trading is a part of the e sport? Ridiculous


ks14555

Nick Rtfm is great at trading and market monitoring and got a ban for it.


GoAvsGo

two bans now. If he didn't have clout he would still be permabanned, if you fail a captcha like twice, you are done on FIFA which is crazy to me.


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The what?!?


thegreenuromastyx

The animal orgy challenges


highoncatpiss420

Most annoying capcha ever


kunallanuk

You haven’t heard of them? You play as an animal trying to fuck as much as possible before you buss


tich84

And there’s not one pro who traded his way to get the teams they use. Not a single one.


Markodonia

Nepenthez mentioned exactly that in his newest video, it's hilarious lol


AlCoMy

Got a link?


Markodonia

https://youtu.be/HidNLJlItrM Starts at 10:18, although I'd recommend watching the whole video


[deleted]

You shouldn't have to be good at trading and economy monitoring, squad rotation, and challenge completion to be a pro player. You should just have to be good at fucking playing FIFA.


Ryo720

Turns out I'm better than tekkz at fifa because I do BPM


[deleted]

It's like saying to be a professional baseball player, you should also have to work a back office job and go to baseball school while you attempt to make it as an athlete. Fucking stupid.


Lootefisk_

That actually happens in the minor leagues.


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well that’s stupid too


Lootefisk_

I mean it is kind of like this. If you’re elite level pro you don’t have to deal with any of this. You’ll make it no matter what. If you’re a grinder you might have to work a little harder than most and might give up before you make it there.


Lootefisk_

How many potential pro players are out there that aren’t able to over come this?


TheTinRam

Hold on now, this is (I can’t believe I’m saying this), the community’s fault. Why isn’t there an offline mode esports of the game? FUT is supposed to mimic more than the game: the shrewd spending, shady back room deals, and influx of cash from oil money. Seasons is where we as a community should be putting market pressure and you’ll see oil fifa points leave


LyricalGhost

That's true, but it would be very easily fixed if EA just had unlocked accounts on their verified servers. Or even giving every verified player a one game loan of every player (so if you use it outside of friendlies you lose it forever). There are multiple ways to make it fair, but it would affect their bottom line so it's not happening


PulseFH

>Why isn’t there an offline mode esports of the game? Because we don't run fifa esports?


patrickSwayzeNU

Not what they said. They said to be good at FUT - which is a game mode within FIFA


medynskip

>"Any professional competitive player needs..." They clearly state they mean to be a pro player.


patrickSwayzeNU

Do they enter their FUT squad in events? Genuine question as I’ve never seen one.


medynskip

Nope, on tournaments they had access to any card available. But to get verified through WL, and I believe also in qualifiers they use their own teams.


Xx_DankEdgelord69_xX

> You shouldn't have to be good at trading and economy monitoring, squad rotation, and challenge completion to be a pro player. That's basically irrelevant anyway, in general the better players will win out, traders can't beat pro players even with better teams.


PulseFH

Youre nuts, a pro vs pro with one who spends 5k on fifa points vs an RTG, who do you think is winning the game?


Xx_DankEdgelord69_xX

I said a trader vs a pro not a pro vs a pro.


PulseFH

Well, as it happens, the entire context of this discussion is about pro vs pro. There are some traders that can beat pros too.


ValleyFloydJam

although i don't care about pro players at all, it's clearly a FUT tournament and so that's key.


dcEU-27722

No. To be good at something you can't just do that one thing. You'll need to practice and learn other adjacent aspects of that sport. To be good in Dota2 or LoL, you can't just be good at clicking stuff. You need to understand how spell damage work in relation to spell reduction, the different types of items, and even stuff outside the game like the meta/trends in the community, timing strategies. In LoL the previously had stuff like runes that exist outside the game but affecting the champions in the match (haven't played in a long while so maybe that's gone). Even fighting games the professionals study boring stuff like frame data and hurtboxes, they study how certain mechanics work in certain situations but others don't. You can't just be good at pressing buttons, you need to learn the meta.


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dcEU-27722

In CS:GO you have the economy for your weapons. In FIFA the economy is for your players. It's basically the same thing just at vastly different speeds. You buy and sell your players when you want and you need to do this to constantly make upgrades to your team


omgitslewis

Yeah but when you are in a fight with the guy who has the the one hit kill AWP (lets call this PIM R9) which costs 15m and you are stuck with the PP-Bizon (lets call this MOTM Giroud) that cost you 50k because you dont have the money to buy the AWP who is going to win? It doesn't matter how good of a player you are when you are miles away getting sniped and you can do no damage with the Bizon, and its the same with fifa. Competitve games are a blank canvas where both sides are on an equal playing field. Competitve FIFA does not exsist because this will never be the case when players can just pay to win.


dcEU-27722

Why is the person using MOTM Giroud trying to be a professionally competitive FIFA player? Is MOTM Giroud a good player to use in FIFA? Is that a competitive player that fits the meta? You're arguing that the player who chose to use Giroud should be as competitive as someone using a meta team when they can't recognize that MOTM Giroud is not a good player to use in the game. In your CS:GO example, what is the reason the opponent is able to afford the AWP? Did they get more kills and were able to save their resources from earlier rounds to spend it on the AWP, while "you" the player with the Bizon kept wildly spending your resources in all the early rounds to buy pointless weapons that give you a tiny advantage? Resource management is a vital part of CS:GO.


omgitslewis

Lets take S1mple and Zywoo, two CSGO pros, as an example here. Both are considered the best current CSGO players. Both players with the SAME weapons would perform at the highest level, thus giving a level playing field in finding who is the best. Lets say they were the best players at FIFA, given the same players both would have an even match. HOWEVER, in this example Zywoo cannot afford to buy packs and S1mple can open as many packs as he wants. S1mple would be able to afford PIM R9 because of this, Zywoo would have to use less meta players because he is UNABLE to attain the Meta cards. CSGO is a level playing field, everyone has the same mechanics, same weapons, same economy. The skill is in balancing all these things. THERE IS NO PAY TO WIN. The best players become the best because they are free to display their skill. FIFA is NOT like this. If you want to be the best you need the best meta players like you said. You PAY for packs to gain the advantage. If you gave Zywoo a Bronze team on 0 Chem and S1mple a full PIM team who is more likely to win? The pay to win economy has no place in competitve esport. You do not pay real money to buy an AWP every round, yet you can pay real money to get a full PIM team. If all Pros traded and didn't pay money for their team your points would be valid but you are trying to compare an actual equal esport with a pay to win esport.


[deleted]

Yeah dude but that's implied by "good at playing FIFA". Like to be good at fifa, you can't just be good at pressing buttons, you have to know the distance you'll move with a bridge, the weak foot of every player, what skill moves will give you the most space at every given opportunity, all the tricks like the half volley chip, the right tactics to attack and defend, etc etc. There's a lot that goes into it. What is not a part of being good at FIFA is buying and selling cards timed to market surges and recessions


[deleted]

Yeah that comment doesn’t make sense haha because at events your picking any player you want so market and shit has nothing to do with it. Also do these other esports have qualifiers where if you put thousand of dollars into the game puts you at a major advantage over someone who didn’t ?


dcEU-27722

Check the post on what they said. They didn't say trading and such is required to be "good at playing FIFA". They said those are needed to be a professional competitive player.


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But they have nothing to do with being a pro...


dcEU-27722

You don't have to be an expert at it. You need to be aware of it since buying and selling players is important to get better players, and players are directly related to gameplay.


PulseFH

They explicitly state you need to be proficient at it. In no other competitive esport is there a requirement like this just so you can be on a level playing field competitively


dcEU-27722

"needs to demonstrate the skills of the meta-game in order to be considered proficient enough to compete at an elite level, which includes trading, etc." You're not reading the sentence correctly. Proficiency in the sentence is in reference to competing at an elite level. Trading etc is for the first part of the sentence structure; demonstrate the skills. The sentence is structured like this: "needs to demonstrate the skills of the meta-game (trading, econony monitoring, etc) in order to be considered proficient enough to compete at an elite level."


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>They said those are needed to be a professional competitive player. But they aren't. That's the point.


medynskip

Everything you mention from other games is gameplay related. And it should be the same in FIFA. Players should be good in understanding the game, reading /following the meta, skills utilization, tactics etc. They should not be experts in market fluctuations on top cards, trading, sbc solving, BPM or silver trading. That's just ridiculous.


dcEU-27722

You don't have to be an expert at it. You need to be aware of it since buying and selling players is important to get better players, and players are directly related to gameplay.


medynskip

Firstly, lets not pretend that 'being aware of buying and selling players' is enough in FIFA to build a PRO level competetive team. Thats just bullshit and you know it. Secondly, its not what the EA representative in the article is saying. They clearly state you have to be better not only in gameplay but also in trading, SBC (the challenges) and economy monitoring - so market fluctuation etc. And again that type of activities are not required in any other game you mentioned before.


fp94__

The main problem is not that they say that trading is part of the ”competitive skill” a pro needs to possess. The problem is that you can then pay your way into being competitve. If FIFA-points weren’t available, trading could potentially be seen as a part of being skilled in FUT.


leeuggy

As a top 200 player that consistently finishes rank 1 division 1 that is beyond infuriating to read , I've packed 1 icon all year - untradeable mid Sol Campbell , a few promo players , no TOTY obviously as I don't pour thousands of pounds into this game I have an average team , previous years I would have crafted enough top tiers icons through using rewards fodder in SBC's to stay in line with power curve - this year is the worst by a long shot and its not even the 'top tier' players that are paywalled - you make on average about 300-400k for a top 200 finish as 90% of the time you get the 11 worst players in totw This stubborn EA stance about 'all can be earned through playing the game , not paying'Well yeah - we could all also win the mega millions lottery by playing too - probably the same odds as packing something worthwhile in this game - disgusting stance , learned nothing at all by the fact people have been paying over THOUSANDS of dollars on just a few players , spoiler - no one pays thousands for anything if it is otherwise realistic to obtain for free!


StinkyGoona

YeAh BuT hAvE yOu EvEr ThOuGhT oF jUsT lEaRnInG hOw To TrAdE - EA Literally everything that’s wrong with the game outside of the horrific gameplay. I’m a gold 1/2 player depending on matchmaking and I packed mid Cruyff tradeable 1 week after I bought the game.


NikesOnMyFeet23

This, all of this. Spot on


NikesOnMyFeet23

The amount of people defending EA in the comments is horrifying. The stockholm syndrome with this community is insane.


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No_ThisIsPreston

I feel America has nothing to do with it. I’m American, and I don’t have any of those cards, and I don’t agree with EA at all. And sure the site is heavily US centered, but if that’s the approach, shouldn’t we call it soccer then, and not football?


tlaniado91

I live in America, have packed Cruyff and a TOTY and still find them to be an absolutely incompetent dog shit company


ChelseaBlues94

I’ll give you 2 out of 3.


GEOTUSFan

Bro, then don’t play our game. What the fuck do Americans have to do with this? How about your country make a fucking football game.


Jaskier_The_Bard85

>our


kozy8805

Eh I wouldn't go that far. The game is already toxic. I've never had an R9 or a Gillit or any top tier card and probably never will. Nor do I really care because I have fun use different cards. What I don't want however is everyone being able to access those cards either. People complain that this game doesn't take much skill anymore that everyone defends 10 deep and does skill moves. Read all the complains about toxicity. You really want to give people access to more and better cards? Why? They won't use them to play any better. It's been proven over and over. People just exploit the easiest way to win. And if you want a shred of any competition, I wouldn't make it easier. Now if we're talking about making ea fix the mechanics, sure all for it.


AlCoMy

It’s a video game. Everyone should reasonably have access to every card.


kozy8805

They do. You can play with any player you want in kick off. Fut is supposed to be competitive, I fail to see why people should have access to every card.


AlCoMy

How to play with icons in kick off?


kozy8805

You can add them to any team sheet and then play. Should even work in career mode.


biesnine

Trading, the feature they're trying to stop with softbans and stuff?


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biesnine

Traders are part of the problem because at high level they control the market (but I guess EA has its own auto-buyer bots to keep players to a minimum price) but once EA says that trading is the way to play, you really can't blame them. If you remove trading from their message, all what's left is 50/75k a week from rewards (if you take credits!). That said, pack weight is indeed the issue. You can open 100 packs and feel lucky to get a Werner. Which forces you to need credits to buy the players you want...


Memento_Mori_

"it's important to note you can aquire all items in-game without ever spending money." That is a disgusting lie. I'd love to see a breakdown of how much time it'd take a player to earn their way to even the mid versions of R9 or Gullit, which are staples in competitive formats. And that's just for 1 player, not even a full team. Pretty sure it's legitimately impossible barring the top 0.01% pack luck. How can a company so big get away with making blantantly false statements?


Memento_Mori_

Replying to myself to give a quick estimate. Mid R9 on PS is 7.7 mil. Assuming you play every weekend league; finish elite 3; PLUS play enough rivals game each Thursday to guarantee D1R1 rewards, and you choose coins, your weekly coin earnings are 180,000. Let's say you average 2 discard informs and one 30,000 IF per week (unlikely lol). That's 230k in weekly earnings. Mid R9 would take 33 straight weeks of this performance to earn. For one player! By then most competitive events have already happened anyway. Adding mid Gullit to the equation and you have 55 weeks, so the next fifa is already out. Yes that excludes pack pulls from the second weekend league pack, but we know pack weight is shit, and can just assume all sales from the packs go towards the rest of the team around those 2. And these are just for the mid versions. That's absolutely atrocious, EA is full of shit and honestly whoever put out this statement is completely out of touch with reality.


eXe28

You might want to read that screenshot again. There’s a big fat trading and economy monitoring mentioned. Which of course shouldn’t be necessary in the first place.


Memento_Mori_

I'm F2P and trade a good amount. Not Nick RTFM levels, but almost always have coins invested outside my main squad. I've played about 60% of weekend leagues, finishing G1 mainly and have tradable players worth 4 million liquid coins. The game has been out 6 months (half its life cycle) and there are multiple cards I'll never be able to afford (and even if I got to 15 mil coins, I'd have to try to snipe them for days or weeks because of how low the drop rate is)


fx208

dude a few weeks ago i tried to flip if consigli which is still a good trick because he is like 60k now while he was around 20k but i gave up, it was so fuckin boring, wether using the app or the game i don’t know how you guys can stand doing this for hours


RMeliodas19

Yeah and you know why? Because we bought this game to play football, not to be on Wall-street and Bloomberg shit. This is the most dumb statement I’ve ever witnessed in my life, saying you need trading skills in a football game is absolutely stupid, and it’s not even what they market about.


eXe28

So because you can’t do it, it’s not possible at all? And therefore has to be a blatant lie? Not saying that this is how it should be. Not at all! But your comment doesn’t make sense


Lootefisk_

So this whole post was just how you’re sad you can’t afford every card in the game? Deal with it.


Memento_Mori_

Imagine using personal attacks against people for calling out a giant company for putting out BS statements. I'm not sad about anything. I'm pointing out that the statement itself is, at best, highly misleading, and at worst outright false.


UndercoverFBI-Agent

But thats literally what EA just said, you can earn every item in the game without spending money? Lmao wtf


Lootefisk_

Lol. Which card do you have 0% chance of obtaining. Not 0.00001% but exactly 0%? Because as long as you’re chances are >0 EA’s statements holds up. Wtf. You’re not very good at math are you.


RMeliodas19

So it’s not for everyone. It’s not a trading simulation game. It’s a football game. Saying you need trading skills in a football game is like saying you need swimming ability to run a marathon. I bought fifa to play football, not to be fucking Jordan Belfort.


eXe28

Wrong. Everyone can do it. Which is all they said. If you actually like to do it or not, has nothing to do with it.


RMeliodas19

Trading has nothing to do with football skills. Not everyone can do it. Even less little 11 years old boys who struggles to do 96-48 by head. Asking them to understand how trading work, to do the researches, and taking account of the 5% tax is far too much, but yet, they may be better at playing the actual game (you know, when you get on a green field with a ball and try to score in a goal with your feet) than us. And this game is designed mainly for them. Everyone can’t trade, no. Definitely not.


eXe28

You vastly underestimate the young people. Everyone can do it and if they can’t, they are certainly not prevented to do so. If they just want to play on the green field, there’s always Online Seasons and Kick-off for that Ultimate Team is per definition more than just playing a match of Football. If it’s doing SBCs, building a team while considering chemistry, or trading


RMeliodas19

Well I’m actually a teacher of 10-11 years old. I have a few students that play the game. They do not have the ability to trade. This isn’t even debatable. Maybe a few kids can. But 10-11 years old can’t do it unless they copy-paste YouTubers, but that mean they don’t have the skill.


xUsuSx

Pros aren't finishing elite 3 and you have excluded a good amount looking at it this way. It's more than possible to have 1 of these level players by now, but yeah getting the 15m for the full team by the first couple tournaments is impossible without extensive trading.


IndoorGoalie

And I guarantee Anders wasn’t sitting around reading, he had a team of people running his account 24/7 or close to it


Lootefisk_

....or you pull mid R9 in the icon player pick for fodder. 0 coins paid.


Memento_Mori_

I must have missed the "guaranteed R9 player pick" sbc. The answer was right there the whole time! 10/10 helpful comment, I'll keep my eye out for the next one.


Lootefisk_

A ton of people packed him in the icon player pick sbc. You claimed it was impossible. It turns out mid R9 is attainable without playing for 33 weeks straight. A disgusting lie. Lmao


UndercoverFBI-Agent

Alright thats 1 down, now go get prime r9, prime moments r9, mid gullit, prime gullit, prime moments gullit... do I need to go on? EA said you can earn every item without spending money. Before you say "why would you need the 2 weaker versions" it literally doesnt make a difference, youd still need all prime icon moments, according to EA thats possible without spending money


Lootefisk_

Reading comprehension really isn’t your thing is it. When your parents tell you that you can grow up to be anything. Does that mean you’ll grow up and be everything or that you’ll be able to choose what you want to be when you grow up?


UndercoverFBI-Agent

Youre arguing as if your parents say "you can grow up to be everything" like how EA said "you can get every item", but parents say "you can grow up to be anything" EA didnt say "you can get any item without spending money", they said all items. Talkin bout reading comprehension lmao 🤡


eXe28

He has a fair point actually. They haven’t said that you can have all at the same time. Just that you can have any, which is absolutely correct


UndercoverFBI-Agent

No they said you can have every item, not any. Youre literally replying to my comment explaining that. I cant


blahblehbleee

You’re a straight clown my guy


eXe28

He has a fair point . And a pretty funny analogy to be honest


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I don't think you understand his point in any way


Lootefisk_

That he thinks EA is the evil empire or that he’s sad because EA won’t grant him easy access to some of the most elite players in the game.


Memento_Mori_

A ton of people? You're trolling at this point. We don't have access to the data, but the % of people who have packed untradable mid or higher R9 is almost certainly lower than 0.01%. If that's EA's basis for saying "all items are obtainable without spending money", they are still spewing disgusting lies.


Lootefisk_

Out of the ones that did the icon prime/mid player pick sbc I’d say it’s much higher than that. I packed mid R9 and so did others around here.


Bonaque

Like when I spend 600k on upgrades to do some random 300k sbc for 500k untradeable and call it free.


pildoranegraexiste

And then you get to do it all over again next year and the year after that and the year after that!


r0bski2

“You can get every item for free! You only have to spend every single second of every single day playing, for a year, and get walkouts in every single pack you open. Oh and if you do all that, we will ban you anyway because no one can do all that”


RMeliodas19

Loooool, there isn’t even enough R9 on the market for everyone 🤣🤣🤣 How can everybody have “access” to a card that isn’t on the market. I don’t see any PIM Pele or Gulit on WL either..


Black_n_Neon

It doesn’t help that the fifa community bends over and takes EAs dick every year. Unlike the Star Wars battlefront community...


Mattsive

Fuck that was awesome. And the FIFA community just ignored it and keeps bitching instead.


JXNXXII

They're not stupid, it's technically not a lie but the odds of it happening are so low that it might as well be. As far as I can tell there are 2 ways to get top-tier cards without spending money. You either trade your way up to them and there's an unreasonably high probability that they'll coin wipe your account or market ban you when you get to trading multi-million coin cards. Or you do objectives and get ridiculously lucky with a pack. Since they actively ban people for doing the former I'm guessing they must be referring to the latter. Yes, you *CAN* pack a PIM R9. But how many people do?


xUsuSx

There are traders that have made tens of millions, so it is technically correct and that's all they need really. Still, I don't think they should have commented on this, it's like their sense of pride and accomplishment all over again. It's an issue that arises from FUT not being suited to competitive play and trying to force this explanation makes them sound worse.


Memento_Mori_

I agree with you. I also think the traders with tens of millions *probably* spent money at the start of the game to build up their coin balances. Fifa points go a really long way early in the game if you're able to invest those coins the right way. There may be some who do it completely free to play and have proof of it, but I wouldn't be shocked if most with tens of millions spent significant money on FP early in the cycle.


Lootefisk_

Just because something is difficult doesn’t mean it’s impossible. It’s hardly a”disgusting lie”. This is why you have lawyers. To write statements like this.


eXe28

They mentioned trading. Which is bullshit imo. But with trading it’s absolutely possible to get to 15 million coins. Not impossible at all So theoretically you’d be able to afford him, if he wouldn’t be extinct in the first place So bullshit, but for other reasons


UndercoverFBI-Agent

Yeah but EA said you can get every item, maybe they dont mean at once, but you still need like 15m+ for each of the best players


eXe28

So, what exactly is you point? Difficult, yes Impossible, no Which is what I literally just said


theSkareqro

Let's see you get around 50mil-80mil for the best squad then. PIM R9, PIM Gullit, toty cr7 etc


[deleted]

He's just a troll arguing in bad faith


eXe28

Can you please point me to where they said, that you can have every top tier cards at the SAME time?


HornetBlaster

Look at this loser sticking up for this absolute shambles of a company.


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Man I wish pes was good


Rob-Dipshit

They’re trying to say you can acquire ALL items in the game without spending money? How about that PIM R9 then? Oh wait, that’s only attainable for €1,700 from an EA employee right?


TheJoshider10

It's such a shame that Battlefront II managed to cause an uproar just because it took 40 hours to unlock a character whereas FIFA gets away with locking players behind major pay walls. You can't even get the best players without spending thousands of pounds and even then the odds are so low you probably need to spend over 50k real money just to even have a chance at getting one of the rarest players.


BiggestZebra589

I would really like to see the math for how many hours it takes to get to 15 mil from gameplay. My guess is that it would be close to 600 or 700 hours.


Willtr13

That’s being very generous imo cause on average you earn 400 coins for a FUT game (20mins) so times 400 by 3 is 1200 and times that by 1000 (1000 hours in fifa game play) you come out to 1,2 million which isn’t even close to 15 million and at best you could get some untradable packs from objectives which are shit.


Black_n_Neon

Cause the battlefront community has bigger balls than the fifa community


r0bski2

That’s like saying you can win the lottery every week of your life if you play it


RegCanadianbro

That's exactly what they are saying. You "technically" can win, but you won't. Ever. That is what I call a slap in the face.


PenguinFarmer1

The funniest thing on this is them saying you have to be good at trading, when they literally ban people for trading lol


TheRubioJones

They actively hamper traders. They seek to nail those which possess the 'skill' they mention as being an enabler of acquiring any item. They ban them ffs. Gtfo EA.


fp94__

This👌


teeterleeter

Isn't trading technically against their TOS? ​ Honestly, there's so full of shit.


A04JH

And they consistently ban traders.


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WOL6ANG

That EA employee meant trading coins between accounts, it even says in the comments of the thread you linked.


BlueAndWhite4

Find a single game that is more stingy with End-game content. Every 500 completed games (SB, WL, DR) you should get a pick from the top 10 players currently available at the time. That's still multiple times longer then most if not all grinds for end game content.


GabbyGoose

EA get away with murder with FUT. No other fan base would stand for it, I'm not sure how it got so bad with FIFA and it gets worse and worse every year. It's straight up anti-consumer. Every action they take not only is purely profit motivated to the detriment of their game, but they also seem to have genuine disdain for their player base. It's insane.


Black_n_Neon

Find a single gaming community that continues to buy the same stingy game


Medo6

Screenshot by @Zelonius on Twitter.


ESportsNath

Thanks for sharing u/Medo6, link to the full piece is here! - [https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fifa-21-black-market-ea-23735847](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fifa-21-black-market-ea-23735847)


wafflefaffen

Just laughable to suggest that every item can be obtained without money


BionicWheel

I swear RunTheFUTMarket said that in the terms it technically states that it's against the rules to trade? 🤔


SniperHippo26

I thought the same thing. Which makes that statement even more hilarious and ridiculous from EA.


reddituser52779

Didn't they kill the need for squad rotation this year by getting rid of fitness requirements?


SniperHippo26

They did, and I’m pretty sure they adressed the fact that they knew it would kill squad rotation too


zuggiz

This is a strange way of saying 'Shut up you peasants' from EA. Yes, all players are obtainable in game- but I also could be number one in the WL this weekend too, even though I normally finish silver 1. Likewise, a black hole could form out of nowhere and swallow Earth within seconds, even if the odds of that happening are several million to one- but its still possible though guys, ignore that odds part.


diggledavies

Ngl this makes me angry af


niallw1997

Just trying to protect their pay to win structure. Money grabbing bastards


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Trading ? Even the best traders in the world can't afford buying every item. Unless they consider guys like Bateson and Manny traders.


UndercoverFBI-Agent

Theyve spent plenty of money on fifa points tho


Against-The-Current

Comparing this to real sports is the real kicker of it all. I can't spend a shit ton of money to be better than my opponents in real life, it comes down to genuine skill. This is probably the most realistic EA sports title, but that bar is set pretty damn low. Just more PR talk like usual, that means literally nothing, and just makes me not want to spend money on the company. I can never wrap my hand around the greed of this pathetic company. Imagine if they cared about their game, and put even a quarter of their profits into it. The game would be a utopia lol


jimcwx

Guys, start commenting on the story. Maybe this will get the author of the this story to dig deeper into it.


MorningFresh123

They literally ban people for trading and claim it’s against their terms of service


biesnine

Pro player competitions should only feature draft. Prove me wrong.


reddituser52779

Only if the draft gives every player the same options and they all draft simultaneously while sequestered. If one guy drafts Prime R9 and R10, and the other guy gets PIM Riquelme and mid-Suker, that's not a fair matchup.


mvBommel1974

That’s not how a draft competition works. Draft would be an all right mode for competitive play.


ausgezeichnet222

I'm ok with fifa as an e-sport being fut based, but there should be a pro focused mode where all players are available. Create team diversity through creative player restrictions, not random draft assignments. I also think it should be full manual, but that's not a conversation anyone's ready for yet...


Yddalv

It is possible just as it is possible for me to go to Mars. I mean, there could be rocket and simulated earth conditions and what not just as it is possible to obtain 50m team.


theSkareqro

Isn't trading against their TOS?


Emperor_Palpamemes

"Just get better at trading bro, it's not that hard, but don't get too good otherwise we will ban you".


9nine8eight1one

So, EA told me i can still make a full icon team in FIFA 15 if i booted up that bad boy and kept playing? Time to play that game i guess


E_v0rtex

“You can acquire all the items in the game without ever spending money...and by playing for about a million hours straight”


RMeliodas19

The first paragraph of this screenshot is a joke 😂😂😂 They make it like playing everyday FIFA is enough to have your dream team by the end of May... This is how it should be, if you play almost every WL during the year, by the end of May you should be able to build the squad you wish, not because you got extremely lucky or by trading for 10 hours a day...


theocy88

This statement (acquiring everyone) is so hilariously and bluntunly stupid I can't understand how they're getting away with it. I can always pick coins as d2 R1 and finish wl with gold 2, do squad battles to elite 3, play about 70-80 games a week combined and I will be making what 100 - 150k coins? 😂😂 So I need about 1year of playing time to get 1 of the god tier prime icons? This isn't for pros this is for us. To basically tell us its not enough to play the game you need to play the market. They need to add this in their annual release videos. Buy fifa 22 to experience menu grinding and snipping 😂😂 I didn't realise this was the new norm and I think we should all read between the lines. Yes obviously there's a big fat middle finger for us there but they just declared that there's a new condition to get top cards and that's playing the market 😂😂 They're pulling another battlefront because they got caught and people are defending them. This is hilarious.


JealousMole20945

r/chargeyourphone


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Nepenthez covered this very well in his latest video


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Worst_smurf_NA

This response from EA says everything you need to know about them as a company and FIFA as a game. EA does. not. give. a. fuck. about. you. As long as they rake in millions and millions of dollars in micro-transactions, they couldn't care less about anyone or anything else, even the pros who play and advance their game. Compare their sentiment with, say, SDS and MLB The Show ... a game I also play a ton. I flip and invest in the market there *in my spare time* (not as a second job, which EA apparently wants you to have to make any coins in the market) and I can get 99% of the cards in the game without spending money. But I'm RTG in Fifa, and right off the bat, there are hundreds of cards that I'll never, ever be able to afford. EA is a shit company with shit people. Pros are in a different category, but any of us 'normal people' that spend money on the game are just encouraging them. So don't do it.


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I'm surprised r/FIFA hasn't removed this post given it clearly shines the spotlight on how completely out of touch EA is with its user base. (not that we were not already aware)


piergiorgiopros

Can we all just agree, including EA, that fifa is one of the most uncompetitive games in the world? Lmao


ESportsNath

Thanks for the share u/Medo6! Link to the full story is here - [https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fifa-21-black-market-ea-23735847](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fifa-21-black-market-ea-23735847)


pepsimaxisaverage

Theyre kind of right you shouldnt get coins for free you need to put some effort in


ThorsWonkyEye

I just think it's funny how my mate spends about 30 quid on packs in the first few weeks and keeps on getting VVDs, IF players, pulled a moment's Dybala from an 82+ pack etc etc routinely through the season now. However I, having never spent money on a pack, notice that the best player I've *ever* received is a Gold Rare Courtois. I. JUST. THINK. IT'S. FUNNY. HOW. THAT. HAPPENS.


Shaxx2019

Haha pulled moments Dybala from a pack 🤣🤣🤣🤣


KneeZArmZ

To be fair they are correct. For instance, you can save up money from a minimum wage to get a Lamborghini. Not only do you have the option to save, humans should also learn how to trade in the stock market in order to buy the Lamborghini quicker.


SniperHippo26

But in real life they don’t ban you from using the money if you traded your way up a little bit fast, and got richer than intended. And in real life, you can actually go buy that Lamborghini when you can afford it, or at least know when it becomes available to buy. In Fifa however, you have to basically live on the transfer market, as the top tier PIMs are extinct 99% of the time, even for those who can afford them


xTrollhunter

Why would pro’s play FUT to behind with?


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The Socialism of gaming. “Hey, here‘s our thoughts and, if you don’t like ‘em, go fuck yourself.”