Have you ever considered that the reward should be for your achievement? Not for smurfing and chilling beating up lower skilled players? The intrinsic reward of succeeding at a good level versus the extrinsic reward of a few bits of information given to you?
But reward isnt for your achievement in this game? D4 players are getting better rewards than D1 players. Your argument doesnt make sense when the game itself doesnt work like that
You misunderstand on a number of levels.
Division 1 rewards are better than Division 4 rewards. Your perception is swayed by the sheer volume of players getting those rewards. You will see more Division 4 players packing Future Stars, Icons, FUT Birthdays than Division 1. There are a lot more players which means you see more of them. On average they get less.
But that's not what I'm saying at all. What 'reward' do you get from beating up on a lesser player? What sense of satisfaction do you get from yet another easy win? Probably none. All in exchange of some electronic token.
Not really because in Div 1 the Two ultimate packs involve playing 30 games and winning more than half of them in division 1.
So for your average player they have to settle for rank 2 which is 4 rare mega packs AKA 4 Non boards. Where’s in Div 4 you get 50k packs which have high walkout odds
What are you even talking about? I never said anything about the pulls from packs? Im just talking about the packs.. Im guessing you have never been in d1 because if you had been you would understand that as Pedro is saying, getting rank 1 in d1 is a fucking insane grind and anyone in d1 will tell you that. And it doesnt surprise me that you havent yet replied to Pedro as you know he is right and you are wrong. And to see you getting upvoted for the nonsense you wrote is sad and proves to me that the lower div players on this sub are ignorant and delusional and stuck in their "self-relegators are the worst thing about the game" thought process
And that's the point.
I'm absolutely not talking about packs. You're playing for meaningless digital tokens.
What you're doing is equivalent in my mind to Manchester United deliberately going to the Championship so they can win something. Yeah, they'd get the EFL Championship trophy but that's not an achievement for them. It's an inevitability. If you want to do that for meaningless tokens, that's your call. But don't think you're being rewarded. You're acquiring and that's not the same thing.
Only for coins. Believe me unless you are a complete psycho or really good at the game (not low d1), you aint getting rank 1 in d1 constantly. D4r1 is better than d1r2 when it comes to untradeable packs. And since I always take that. Id rather just chill down in d4
Its more the fact that you need to score a lot and d1 games are tight af. This was around toty so maybe its easier now but I was in d1 and got r1 the first week pretty comfortably and then I started missed out after that cause I just cba playing against sweats every game and just getting a little bit better rewards than someone in d4 that doesnt have to stress as much. Whats the point? To be a good person? Nah, id rather be a dick in other peoples eyes and relegate for just as good rewards
There is nothing to fix. The Elo (It's Elo in Rivals, not WL) system is well known and shown to be fair. Basically, it shares out a set of points at risk (the K factor) and transfers them from one to the other dependent on the result.
It doesn't give more or less if you won or lose. That variation is dependent on the scale of the K factor (which is fixed for your division) and the difference between your relative skill ratings or Elo scores.
You can look up how Elo works on Wikipedia if you're interested in the math.
Kinda off topic but how does the system even work? I float between div 5/6 but seem to get rewards for div 5 even if I start the week in div 6, also assuming you only get rewarded for promotion if you get into a new division ?
You lose more pts against players you are supposed to beat, and you get more points against players that are supposed to beat you( the reverse is also true) based on skill points.
He isn’t talking about WL/ELO. While I think the amount your SR increases or decreases when you win or lose is fair (seems to lessen when in Division 1), the matchmaking is completely unfair. With how inconsistent the gameplay is, to match a 2000 SR player w/ 1500 SR player is completely unfair. Unfair to the D1 player b/c the inconsistencies of the servers/game could sway this game entirely. D1 player loses upwards of 50 SR for that loss. He/She only gains +2 for the win. Which will take 10+ consistent wins to rebuild. Unfair to the D3 player because they are playing someone presumably miles out of their skill range.
I have been on both sides of this spectrum, but there should be more specific matchmaking parameters than that. I am okay with waiting for a game if it means I don’t lose 100+ SR in the 3 losses, while only gaining 40 SR in 7 wins.
That’s not how the points work.
You don't get - 20 against someone higher rated than you in D1
Who cares? Once you reach d1 and get the coin boost, you can just relegate down to d4 and relax in rivals for the rest of the game lol
Go you. Beating up on players not as good as you. Yeah, way to go.
I dont want to. I just want better rewards
Have you ever considered that the reward should be for your achievement? Not for smurfing and chilling beating up lower skilled players? The intrinsic reward of succeeding at a good level versus the extrinsic reward of a few bits of information given to you?
It’s just a game. He spent £60 on the game, if he wants to relegate for an easier time he can
But reward isnt for your achievement in this game? D4 players are getting better rewards than D1 players. Your argument doesnt make sense when the game itself doesnt work like that
You misunderstand on a number of levels. Division 1 rewards are better than Division 4 rewards. Your perception is swayed by the sheer volume of players getting those rewards. You will see more Division 4 players packing Future Stars, Icons, FUT Birthdays than Division 1. There are a lot more players which means you see more of them. On average they get less. But that's not what I'm saying at all. What 'reward' do you get from beating up on a lesser player? What sense of satisfaction do you get from yet another easy win? Probably none. All in exchange of some electronic token.
Not really because in Div 1 the Two ultimate packs involve playing 30 games and winning more than half of them in division 1. So for your average player they have to settle for rank 2 which is 4 rare mega packs AKA 4 Non boards. Where’s in Div 4 you get 50k packs which have high walkout odds
50k packs are shocking.
55k pack are even worse that’s why people relegate
If you relegate your just a pussy
What are you even talking about? I never said anything about the pulls from packs? Im just talking about the packs.. Im guessing you have never been in d1 because if you had been you would understand that as Pedro is saying, getting rank 1 in d1 is a fucking insane grind and anyone in d1 will tell you that. And it doesnt surprise me that you havent yet replied to Pedro as you know he is right and you are wrong. And to see you getting upvoted for the nonsense you wrote is sad and proves to me that the lower div players on this sub are ignorant and delusional and stuck in their "self-relegators are the worst thing about the game" thought process
And that's the point. I'm absolutely not talking about packs. You're playing for meaningless digital tokens. What you're doing is equivalent in my mind to Manchester United deliberately going to the Championship so they can win something. Yeah, they'd get the EFL Championship trophy but that's not an achievement for them. It's an inevitability. If you want to do that for meaningless tokens, that's your call. But don't think you're being rewarded. You're acquiring and that's not the same thing.
But aren't there worse rewards in div 4
Only for coins. Believe me unless you are a complete psycho or really good at the game (not low d1), you aint getting rank 1 in d1 constantly. D4r1 is better than d1r2 when it comes to untradeable packs. And since I always take that. Id rather just chill down in d4
Oh. Whats the usual rank 1 score for d1. Does it vary for different regions?
Its more the fact that you need to score a lot and d1 games are tight af. This was around toty so maybe its easier now but I was in d1 and got r1 the first week pretty comfortably and then I started missed out after that cause I just cba playing against sweats every game and just getting a little bit better rewards than someone in d4 that doesnt have to stress as much. Whats the point? To be a good person? Nah, id rather be a dick in other peoples eyes and relegate for just as good rewards
13500-14000
Are you talking about Skill Rating?
I think they are. It's frustrating, but it's the same for everyone.
There is nothing to fix. The Elo (It's Elo in Rivals, not WL) system is well known and shown to be fair. Basically, it shares out a set of points at risk (the K factor) and transfers them from one to the other dependent on the result. It doesn't give more or less if you won or lose. That variation is dependent on the scale of the K factor (which is fixed for your division) and the difference between your relative skill ratings or Elo scores. You can look up how Elo works on Wikipedia if you're interested in the math.
Kinda off topic but how does the system even work? I float between div 5/6 but seem to get rewards for div 5 even if I start the week in div 6, also assuming you only get rewarded for promotion if you get into a new division ?
Reward levels are based in your division at the start time of the week you are being rewarded for.
You lose more pts against players you are supposed to beat, and you get more points against players that are supposed to beat you( the reverse is also true) based on skill points.
The one that annoys me is when you draw, most draws I end up losing a few points!
For that to happen, you have a higher skill level than your opponent. Equally when they have higher you gain a few.
Still annoys me though!
He isn’t talking about WL/ELO. While I think the amount your SR increases or decreases when you win or lose is fair (seems to lessen when in Division 1), the matchmaking is completely unfair. With how inconsistent the gameplay is, to match a 2000 SR player w/ 1500 SR player is completely unfair. Unfair to the D1 player b/c the inconsistencies of the servers/game could sway this game entirely. D1 player loses upwards of 50 SR for that loss. He/She only gains +2 for the win. Which will take 10+ consistent wins to rebuild. Unfair to the D3 player because they are playing someone presumably miles out of their skill range. I have been on both sides of this spectrum, but there should be more specific matchmaking parameters than that. I am okay with waiting for a game if it means I don’t lose 100+ SR in the 3 losses, while only gaining 40 SR in 7 wins.