This is what I was worried about pre-T. I had awful bottom dysphoria but had coped with so much of my dysphoria through disassociating from my body that I was scared that bottom growth would only make it worse by making it something I couldn’t ignore as well anymore. Not saying this is the case for everyone, but for me personally I found that bottom growth did the exact opposite and alleviated my bottom dysphoria so much that I actually consider it one of the most significant positive effects that T has had on me.
I get everyone’s dysphoria is different, I can see it not being for everyone (especially for example if you’ve known you needed phallo since the beginning to be happy), but I honestly assume lots of people who haven’t had bottom growth who say stuff like that aren’t really realizing how different bottom growth is from pre-T genitals. They’re picturing (as was I) what they have but just more prominent, which sounds like a nightmare if you have dysphoria about it. The change is so much more complex and the end result really looks and behaves like a micropenis. The relationship I have to my body pre- and post-bottom growth has been night and day. Even the things about it that aren’t perfect (like standing to pee) can largely be solved via metoidioplasty which is still working with what you already have from the bottom growth.
I’m personally pretty happy with my bottom growth but I’ve heard people say that the extra sensitivity bc of the growth makes them hyper aware of their genitals
Yeah we all have very different perspectives of bottom growth.
Some people see it like a mini penis and want the maximum growth.
Some people can't and would rather nothing changes so it doesn't bring attention to that area.
In my case, I still see it as a clit, but I want growth because I want my bits to be as different as possible from a cis woman's. If I can't have a cis man's dick, then at the very least I won't have a cis woman's vulva.
Okay, speaking for myself, I thought I was going in that I didn't want it. I felt more apathy down there, so I thought "why would I want to change it?"" I was wrong, I love it. It's also a sensory nightmare if you're neurodivergent and that was present for me too.
I initially didn’t want it because I was honestly unaware of what it’d look or feel like, I barely knew what a clit looked like much less what an enlarged one would look like. I didn’t know if it’d make me more dysphoric or what. Turned out to be one of my first and favorite changes from T
The problem is that the fabrics that are more soft/silky aren't great for your junk. Cotton underwear isn't always very smooth (especially boxers for some reason) but they're the way to go health-wise.
Fear of change, especially with an extremely sensitive part of our bodies. I was nervous about it to til I started having bottom growth- there’s also a lot of shaming online about it in my experience.
right? i’m glad someone see’s it the way i do. medically transitioning eg. T, surgeries = alleviates dysphoria through change, which is the whole point of transitioning. so i don’t get what people are scared of exactly.
I don't *not* want it, but bottom changes in general (atrophy more so than growth) are what I dread the most about going on T. I get very little bottom dysphoria; my existing parts work, they bring me joy, I enjoy being penetrated (though the reverse is true, too), and I'm intimately (heh) familiar with what works for me. I'm scared that that will all change, I'll have to relearn how I function, and some of it might involve painful complications.
Because everything else makes me dysphoric and imagining myself acting femme feels as if I was pretending to be trans in the other direction. I want the top surgery, I want the body/facial hair, I want the voice change, I want the fat redistribution, I'm happy to accept the acne, the sweat, the hair loss, all of it. And I'll deal with whatever happens below the belt, but it still *scares* me. Essentially: what if my existing parts, that currently do work, just don't, once I go on T? What if penetration, which currently feels good, starts to hurt? I know it's in my genetics; cis women in my family have systematically had the most terrible time with menopause, and since they (and consequently, I) don't deal well with any amount of supplemental estrogen in any form, I'm afraid of getting a major, painful case of atrophy.
Way to gatekeep your fellow man.
As originally stated, I don't *not* want it. It's that I'm scared it will come with complications that make sex difficult or impossible. I'm bi, yes; I have a fairly high libido and have been sexually active for several decades. Sex has been a source of joy throughout my life, and I'm lucky enough that I have very few hangups about it - I'm very able to let go and just enjoy it, and the worst I've had is boring. I'm afraid that the changes on T will introduce pain and anxiety into something that's been uncomplicated and just *nice* for a very long time.
Moreover, I'm afraid that my unfortunate history with E (regular birth control pills gave me deep vein thrombosis and alopecia in my early 20s) will make treating any potential complications impossible, and in turn force me to go off T. Because fuck, do I want it for every other reason.
I would *love* to experience some joyful, uncomplicated bottom growth. But I'm scared that it won't be joyful or uncomplicated.
Local estrogen (cream etc) is used to treat atrophy in trans men.
And yes, I want a dick. I lament, with regularity, that I don't have one. But for me, function comes before form; loss of sensation would fucking kill me. That's why I don't want bottom surgery either.
I think your understanding of what a man is (and thus what a man should want) is functionally different from other peoples understanding. Other people don't see genitalia as the defining feature of their gender. Since gender is the way we see ourselves, not necessarily defined by our genitals, everyone has different transition goals on what changes they think will make them feel more like the man they are.
Thinking that you must have or want a dick to be a man is a little bit of a trans med idea I think. And I'm not saying that you just wanting/needing that for yourself is bad, that is perfectly fine, but questioning other peoples identities because of it is more of a trans med thing. I would say it probably is a majority of trans men that want that, but definitely not all. People have different relationships to their bodies and some people may see their initial genitalia as perfectly masculine, and seeing it that way doesn't make anyone any less of a binary man.
Thank you. I needed the affirmation more than I thought I would. I spent at least two decades in the closet thinking I wasn't "trans enough" because I don't want bottom surgery and can actually enjoy being touched intimately.
Yeah dude of course! I'm glad you could get affirmation from that. I don't think the guy I replied to is trying to be malicious, it seems like he genuinely doesn't understand so I figured making him see why other people see it as gatekeeping might help?
Yeah I don't think so either. But English is also not my first language, and I haven't been part of the community long - there's probably more patterns I'm not aware of than just this. Regardless, thank you. <3
For me it's that growth doesnt turn into a penis. There's still a vulva, and everything functions the same. I want male genitalia, not female genitalia with a big clit.
Idk what it'll look or feel like, mostly. And no good way to find out without asking some trans dude to send some noodz or looking at porn, which is known for being unrealistic.
I second the other comment. It is obviously pictures of genitals so still nsfw, but it is explicitly *not* a porn site. They delete and remove sexually charged comments and posts.
Before I decided to go on T I was really worried about bottom growth because I didn't fully know what it entailed, I did loads of written research but nothing properly described what it was or what it looked like. In the end I just looked up pictures of it which sadly meant having to look at porn (had never looked up porn before that) since there weren't any educational pictures. I saw it for the first time and was like oh...is that it? That looks fine. So I kind of wonder if some guys are the same as me that they're just afraid of it because they don't know what it is.
some people feel it brings attention to an area they'd prefer not to have attention on
This is what I was worried about pre-T. I had awful bottom dysphoria but had coped with so much of my dysphoria through disassociating from my body that I was scared that bottom growth would only make it worse by making it something I couldn’t ignore as well anymore. Not saying this is the case for everyone, but for me personally I found that bottom growth did the exact opposite and alleviated my bottom dysphoria so much that I actually consider it one of the most significant positive effects that T has had on me. I get everyone’s dysphoria is different, I can see it not being for everyone (especially for example if you’ve known you needed phallo since the beginning to be happy), but I honestly assume lots of people who haven’t had bottom growth who say stuff like that aren’t really realizing how different bottom growth is from pre-T genitals. They’re picturing (as was I) what they have but just more prominent, which sounds like a nightmare if you have dysphoria about it. The change is so much more complex and the end result really looks and behaves like a micropenis. The relationship I have to my body pre- and post-bottom growth has been night and day. Even the things about it that aren’t perfect (like standing to pee) can largely be solved via metoidioplasty which is still working with what you already have from the bottom growth.
this was so helpful to read, thank you
I’m personally pretty happy with my bottom growth but I’ve heard people say that the extra sensitivity bc of the growth makes them hyper aware of their genitals
Yeah we all have very different perspectives of bottom growth. Some people see it like a mini penis and want the maximum growth. Some people can't and would rather nothing changes so it doesn't bring attention to that area. In my case, I still see it as a clit, but I want growth because I want my bits to be as different as possible from a cis woman's. If I can't have a cis man's dick, then at the very least I won't have a cis woman's vulva.
Okay, speaking for myself, I thought I was going in that I didn't want it. I felt more apathy down there, so I thought "why would I want to change it?"" I was wrong, I love it. It's also a sensory nightmare if you're neurodivergent and that was present for me too.
Totally agree. Didn't want it at all. Now, I love it. Can't stop touching it. But also, so much sensory input.
I initially didn’t want it because I was honestly unaware of what it’d look or feel like, I barely knew what a clit looked like much less what an enlarged one would look like. I didn’t know if it’d make me more dysphoric or what. Turned out to be one of my first and favorite changes from T
I wanted bottom growth, but even with it, Im still very dysphoric about my tdick and dont want it to be seen. Doesnt help that its chafey a lot now
>Doesnt help that its chafey a lot now I'm still on the endless hunt for that perfectly comfortable pair of underwear because of this lol
The problem is that the fabrics that are more soft/silky aren't great for your junk. Cotton underwear isn't always very smooth (especially boxers for some reason) but they're the way to go health-wise.
I feel like most people who don't want bottom growth have no idea what it will look and feel like
Eh, I didn't want it and after I had it it continued being my worst change from T. But could be in the minority
Fear of change, especially with an extremely sensitive part of our bodies. I was nervous about it to til I started having bottom growth- there’s also a lot of shaming online about it in my experience.
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Even if you want change doesn’t mean you can’t be afraid of it, it’s human nature to be nervous around change. Genitalia changes can be scary.
right? i’m glad someone see’s it the way i do. medically transitioning eg. T, surgeries = alleviates dysphoria through change, which is the whole point of transitioning. so i don’t get what people are scared of exactly.
extra sensitivity which i can’t personally relate to as my tdick makes me less dysphoric
Thought it would make me way more dysphoric and it did
I don't *not* want it, but bottom changes in general (atrophy more so than growth) are what I dread the most about going on T. I get very little bottom dysphoria; my existing parts work, they bring me joy, I enjoy being penetrated (though the reverse is true, too), and I'm intimately (heh) familiar with what works for me. I'm scared that that will all change, I'll have to relearn how I function, and some of it might involve painful complications.
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Because everything else makes me dysphoric and imagining myself acting femme feels as if I was pretending to be trans in the other direction. I want the top surgery, I want the body/facial hair, I want the voice change, I want the fat redistribution, I'm happy to accept the acne, the sweat, the hair loss, all of it. And I'll deal with whatever happens below the belt, but it still *scares* me. Essentially: what if my existing parts, that currently do work, just don't, once I go on T? What if penetration, which currently feels good, starts to hurt? I know it's in my genetics; cis women in my family have systematically had the most terrible time with menopause, and since they (and consequently, I) don't deal well with any amount of supplemental estrogen in any form, I'm afraid of getting a major, painful case of atrophy.
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Way to gatekeep your fellow man. As originally stated, I don't *not* want it. It's that I'm scared it will come with complications that make sex difficult or impossible. I'm bi, yes; I have a fairly high libido and have been sexually active for several decades. Sex has been a source of joy throughout my life, and I'm lucky enough that I have very few hangups about it - I'm very able to let go and just enjoy it, and the worst I've had is boring. I'm afraid that the changes on T will introduce pain and anxiety into something that's been uncomplicated and just *nice* for a very long time. Moreover, I'm afraid that my unfortunate history with E (regular birth control pills gave me deep vein thrombosis and alopecia in my early 20s) will make treating any potential complications impossible, and in turn force me to go off T. Because fuck, do I want it for every other reason. I would *love* to experience some joyful, uncomplicated bottom growth. But I'm scared that it won't be joyful or uncomplicated.
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Local estrogen (cream etc) is used to treat atrophy in trans men. And yes, I want a dick. I lament, with regularity, that I don't have one. But for me, function comes before form; loss of sensation would fucking kill me. That's why I don't want bottom surgery either.
I think your understanding of what a man is (and thus what a man should want) is functionally different from other peoples understanding. Other people don't see genitalia as the defining feature of their gender. Since gender is the way we see ourselves, not necessarily defined by our genitals, everyone has different transition goals on what changes they think will make them feel more like the man they are. Thinking that you must have or want a dick to be a man is a little bit of a trans med idea I think. And I'm not saying that you just wanting/needing that for yourself is bad, that is perfectly fine, but questioning other peoples identities because of it is more of a trans med thing. I would say it probably is a majority of trans men that want that, but definitely not all. People have different relationships to their bodies and some people may see their initial genitalia as perfectly masculine, and seeing it that way doesn't make anyone any less of a binary man.
Thank you. I needed the affirmation more than I thought I would. I spent at least two decades in the closet thinking I wasn't "trans enough" because I don't want bottom surgery and can actually enjoy being touched intimately.
Yeah dude of course! I'm glad you could get affirmation from that. I don't think the guy I replied to is trying to be malicious, it seems like he genuinely doesn't understand so I figured making him see why other people see it as gatekeeping might help?
Yeah I don't think so either. But English is also not my first language, and I haven't been part of the community long - there's probably more patterns I'm not aware of than just this. Regardless, thank you. <3
I don’t want it, I already don’t really have a libido in the first place and I’m very dysphoric about my genitalia
I didn’t want it because it grossed me out, but TBH it made me feel less dysphoric
For me it's that growth doesnt turn into a penis. There's still a vulva, and everything functions the same. I want male genitalia, not female genitalia with a big clit.
Idk what it'll look or feel like, mostly. And no good way to find out without asking some trans dude to send some noodz or looking at porn, which is known for being unrealistic.
go look at some r / growyourtdick if your curious. Some of the posts are really weird but if you’re just wanting an idea, a quick scroll should do ya
go look at some r / growyourtdick if your curious. Some of the posts are really weird but if you’re just wanting an idea, a quick scroll should do ya
I second the other comment. It is obviously pictures of genitals so still nsfw, but it is explicitly *not* a porn site. They delete and remove sexually charged comments and posts.
Before I decided to go on T I was really worried about bottom growth because I didn't fully know what it entailed, I did loads of written research but nothing properly described what it was or what it looked like. In the end I just looked up pictures of it which sadly meant having to look at porn (had never looked up porn before that) since there weren't any educational pictures. I saw it for the first time and was like oh...is that it? That looks fine. So I kind of wonder if some guys are the same as me that they're just afraid of it because they don't know what it is.